Don Rosa,
I for one certainly appreciate the great detail that goes into your stories, both the art,
and the speech. When a person puts great pride, care and emotion into his or her work, it
shows, and you're no exception. I can't tell you how many times I re-re-re-read one of your
stories, only to catch another background gag, Barkensian reference, running joke, or some
other tidbit. The Monty Python references on "Little Something Special" never fail to make
me smile. I don't even know how many times I read The Billionaire of Dismal Downs before I
noticed the fish in the moat eating Scrooge's sandwich!
And if there are jokes so minute and/or obscure that only you and one or two other people
understand them...great! In the fiction writing I do, there are always a myriad of tiny,
probably insignificant details that I "know" that the reader never will, nor never needs to.
But I have fun, and it gives me an intimate connection to my work. That's part of what makes
it really fun to create.
On another Rosa-related note:
The American Film Institute just unveiled its top 100 American movies of all time, and
Citizen Kane came in at #1. I have yet to see it, but I know that Chapter 12 of Lo$ is based
loosely, at least at first, on that movie. Treasure of the Sierra Madre also made the list,
which is where Rosa once said he got the first name of Howard Rockerduck. This further
proves my theory that something every day in my life is related to Scrooge comics! :-)
The only animated films to make the list were Disney's Fantasia and Snow White.
Quackcerely,
Katie Quackfaster :-)
Author
Topic: 199806
(174 messages)
Katie Sullivan
"Needless and irritating detail" :-)
Message 106 -
1998-06-17 at 06:24:34
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V98 #146
Message 107 -
1998-06-17 at 08:32:10
SHAUN CRAILL:
As for what you say about some confusion that might exist about "guidelines
and rules"... I can add that *I* have never been given any guidelines by
anyone. I do my stories the way I think they should be done. In a rare
instance Byron and I might discuss some fine point, but that's after the
fact, not based on something I was told to do or not to do beforehand. I do
these stories simply by gut-level reaction and feeling. Whether or not
Disney forces Gladstone to change or rewrite or totally censor my stories
for the American audience is something that I never worry about while
writing/drawing the story, and I try not to worry about it much when it
happens because it's not worth the mental effort, and is far too inscrutable
for mere humans to fathom. I would never allow such corporate policies to
dictate how I create a story. Whether that corporation wants to use my story
or how they decide to change my story is up to them.... but it never affects
how I actually *did* the story originally... that remains the same forever,
regardless of what anyone might do to its printed reproduction.
Can you say "Howard Roarke"? I knew you could.
As for what you say about some confusion that might exist about "guidelines
and rules"... I can add that *I* have never been given any guidelines by
anyone. I do my stories the way I think they should be done. In a rare
instance Byron and I might discuss some fine point, but that's after the
fact, not based on something I was told to do or not to do beforehand. I do
these stories simply by gut-level reaction and feeling. Whether or not
Disney forces Gladstone to change or rewrite or totally censor my stories
for the American audience is something that I never worry about while
writing/drawing the story, and I try not to worry about it much when it
happens because it's not worth the mental effort, and is far too inscrutable
for mere humans to fathom. I would never allow such corporate policies to
dictate how I create a story. Whether that corporation wants to use my story
or how they decide to change my story is up to them.... but it never affects
how I actually *did* the story originally... that remains the same forever,
regardless of what anyone might do to its printed reproduction.
Can you say "Howard Roarke"? I knew you could.
Santiago García Baños
Llamas
Message 108 -
1998-06-17 at 09:51:04
KATIE:
> Alpacas do indeed have longer, thicker wool than llamas, usually. When the Incas
> domesticated wild guanacos and vicunas 4,000 years ago, they bred the alpacas for
> their wool, and the llamas for their strength as beasts of burden. But both alpacas
> and llamas can be black, white, brown, grey and a myriad of shades in between.
> Alpacas have shorter, smallers ears, and shorter legs.
Now I wish I had attended your school, Katie!
GAUTE KONGSNES:
The correct spelling (as Katie does it), is LLAMA with a double 'L'.
SKN.
> Alpacas do indeed have longer, thicker wool than llamas, usually. When the Incas
> domesticated wild guanacos and vicunas 4,000 years ago, they bred the alpacas for
> their wool, and the llamas for their strength as beasts of burden. But both alpacas
> and llamas can be black, white, brown, grey and a myriad of shades in between.
> Alpacas have shorter, smallers ears, and shorter legs.
Now I wish I had attended your school, Katie!
GAUTE KONGSNES:
The correct spelling (as Katie does it), is LLAMA with a double 'L'.
SKN.
Didier Ghez
Funnyworld
Message 109 -
1998-06-17 at 11:00:24
Hi,
I have been looking for back issues of the famous comics and animation
magazine Funnyworld and was wondering if some of you might help.
I am looking for issues: 1 to 11, 13, 21 and 22.
I have four issues for trade: 16, 17, 18, 19.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Didier
The Disney Books Network: http://www.pizarro.net/didier
I have been looking for back issues of the famous comics and animation
magazine Funnyworld and was wondering if some of you might help.
I am looking for issues: 1 to 11, 13, 21 and 22.
I have four issues for trade: 16, 17, 18, 19.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Didier
The Disney Books Network: http://www.pizarro.net/didier
Vidar Svendsen
Rota + "The Zeee Zeee Zeee Watch"
Message 110 -
1998-06-17 at 15:51:17
ROTA-SPOILER?
In DD&Co #23 there was a new story by Rota D97450
"En real klem" (A Good Hug).
Scrooge, DD, and HDL goes to visit a Mahajah. The Maharajah
tells them about the lost "Octopussy Shiva" which ruins
everybody who sees it (He's having fun with Scrooge).
Scrooge accidently finds the Shiva while trying to escape
what he believes to be the Octopussy Shiva.
Nice seeing "Donald-sphinxes" in the jungle and pictures
of "Maharajah Donald" in temple ruins.
All in all it's a nice story but somebody at Egmont should tell
Rota to work more on the endings of his stories
ROSA-SPOILER?
AGGHHH! They didn't print the zeee zeee zeee in Norway. I caught
the Jimmy Olsen reference and I would have caught the z.z.z-gag.
So, there would be at least one reader in Europe getting the reference,
Don D.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
In DD&Co #23 there was a new story by Rota D97450
"En real klem" (A Good Hug).
Scrooge, DD, and HDL goes to visit a Mahajah. The Maharajah
tells them about the lost "Octopussy Shiva" which ruins
everybody who sees it (He's having fun with Scrooge).
Scrooge accidently finds the Shiva while trying to escape
what he believes to be the Octopussy Shiva.
Nice seeing "Donald-sphinxes" in the jungle and pictures
of "Maharajah Donald" in temple ruins.
All in all it's a nice story but somebody at Egmont should tell
Rota to work more on the endings of his stories
ROSA-SPOILER?
AGGHHH! They didn't print the zeee zeee zeee in Norway. I caught
the Jimmy Olsen reference and I would have caught the z.z.z-gag.
So, there would be at least one reader in Europe getting the reference,
Don D.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
Francois Willot
French index!!
Message 111 -
1998-06-17 at 17:32:44
Hi,
A new French index with most of the stories produced between 1952 and
1978 in France is now available at:
http://www.pizarro.net/didier/_private/article/frindex2.txt
The "legend" file could be found at:
http://www.pizarro.net/didier/_private/article/caption.txt
Francois
A new French index with most of the stories produced between 1952 and
1978 in France is now available at:
http://www.pizarro.net/didier/_private/article/frindex2.txt
The "legend" file could be found at:
http://www.pizarro.net/didier/_private/article/caption.txt
Francois
Lynneb56
Historically correct
Message 112 -
1998-06-17 at 19:11:24
Don Rosa write of historical authenticity. I like it. I like it. When I was
a kid reading my dad's childhood collection, I learned all of my history from
Donald and Scrooge. Hated history class, but I KNEW history. As for how much
of it is real......well, I believe it ALL! <g>
Lynne
<< From: "Don Rosa" <(Email removed)>
<< ??? An inside joke can't possibly go "too far." Even if I used a joke
that
only 3 readers on earth would catch, the other X-million would simply read
over it without noticing, or wonder about it for an entire nanosecond before
moving on.
Readers of my stories should expect to see some odd references that they
might not catch on the first reading... and good! They'll always know that I
don't treat them like morons. I'd rather be challenged than talked-down to,
and I assume they would, too, or they'd be reading something else.
Like the research that I do on these darn stories... as in the time I was
quizzing the expert in Australian aboriginal mythology, asking if this was the
exactly correct depiction of this mythological tale or if that was exactly how
that mythological being was supposed to act -- and he got sorta puzzled and
said, "Maybe not, but only 2 people on earth would know!" and I said "Yeah?
So, what's your point?"
How many readers of that new "Eldorado" story would know that the bronze
plaque that Donald finds in the sunken boat is written in absolutely
authentic medieval German with correct medieval lettering and medieval
grammar? And that the seal on it is the actual seal of Der Welser Co. of
1519? Possibly only if the German-antiquities expert at the Frankfurt
university, whom I consulted repeatedly to get the plaque precisely right,
ever sees it. >>
a kid reading my dad's childhood collection, I learned all of my history from
Donald and Scrooge. Hated history class, but I KNEW history. As for how much
of it is real......well, I believe it ALL! <g>
Lynne
<< From: "Don Rosa" <(Email removed)>
<< ??? An inside joke can't possibly go "too far." Even if I used a joke
that
only 3 readers on earth would catch, the other X-million would simply read
over it without noticing, or wonder about it for an entire nanosecond before
moving on.
Readers of my stories should expect to see some odd references that they
might not catch on the first reading... and good! They'll always know that I
don't treat them like morons. I'd rather be challenged than talked-down to,
and I assume they would, too, or they'd be reading something else.
Like the research that I do on these darn stories... as in the time I was
quizzing the expert in Australian aboriginal mythology, asking if this was the
exactly correct depiction of this mythological tale or if that was exactly how
that mythological being was supposed to act -- and he got sorta puzzled and
said, "Maybe not, but only 2 people on earth would know!" and I said "Yeah?
So, what's your point?"
How many readers of that new "Eldorado" story would know that the bronze
plaque that Donald finds in the sunken boat is written in absolutely
authentic medieval German with correct medieval lettering and medieval
grammar? And that the seal on it is the actual seal of Der Welser Co. of
1519? Possibly only if the German-antiquities expert at the Frankfurt
university, whom I consulted repeatedly to get the plaque precisely right,
ever sees it. >>
David B. Fenske
Disney comics Digest V98 #146
Message 113 -
1998-06-18 at 10:21:16
>Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 02:51:24 -0700
>To: "Don Rosa" <(Email removed)>
>From: "David B. Fenske" <(Email removed)>
>Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V98 #146
>In-Reply-To: <01bd99b1$467e8600$(Email removed)>
>
>At 01:32 AM 6/17/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>SHAUN CRAILL:
>>
>>As for what you say about some confusion that might exist about "guidelines
>>and rules"... I can add that *I* have never been given any guidelines by
>>anyone. I do my stories the way I think they should be done. In a rare
>>instance Byron and I might discuss some fine point, but that's after the
>>fact, not based on something I was told to do or not to do beforehand. I do
>>these stories simply by gut-level reaction and feeling. Whether or not
>>Disney forces Gladstone to change or rewrite or totally censor my stories
>>for the American audience is something that I never worry about while
>>writing/drawing the story, and I try not to worry about it much when it
>>happens because it's not worth the mental effort, and is far too inscrutable
>>for mere humans to fathom. I would never allow such corporate policies to
>>dictate how I create a story. Whether that corporation wants to use my story
>>or how they decide to change my story is up to them.... but it never affects
>>how I actually *did* the story originally... that remains the same forever,
>>regardless of what anyone might do to its printed reproduction.
>>Can you say "Howard Roarke"? I knew you could.
>
>Funny you should say that (it's Roark, BTW). I just watched THE
FOUNTAINHEAD the other night... having read it and ATLAS SHRUGGED back in
Junior High School, I thought it might be interesting. Was, sort of. But
anyways, that's off-topic. Have you hidden any Ayn Rand references in your
stories? Would you tell if you had?
>
>I've just read Son of the Sun for the first time, right about the time The
Last Lord of Eldorado came out. Excellent stories both. It was interesting
to read your first and one of your more recent stories one after the other,
especially with the similar content, and the back references to SotS and
Treasure Under Glass. What I was looking for were changes in your artistic
style... and I didn't find many, if any (perhaps a few Duck expressions
weren't as perfect as they are now..). Son of the Sun has all the details
and intricacy that make your stories so fun to look at. By comparison,
the evolution of many other cartoonists work is much more apparent
(examples... Berkeley Breathed (the nose on Opus), Gary Trudeau, even
Charles Schultz).
>
>Anyways, this isn't to suggest your work hasn't developed or improved... I
was just amazed at how technically advanced your first story was.
>
>One thing about both stories though, is they illustrate some incredible
differences in the laws of Physics between our universe and the duck
universe. Both stories contain amazingly rapid descents from great
heights, and yet the Ducks land intact, conscious, still-alive, sometimes
in the same positions. It's like momentum doesn't work the same, or is it
gravity? The math calculations in the newer story *look* correct at first
glance (suggesting their laws are the same as ours), though I haven't
compared them with my old physics texts, which would suggest Newtonian
mechanics still reigns (to a first approximation, anyways). But this is
not an isolated incident (remember The Duck Who Fell to Earth? or Incident
at McDuck Tower?) I'll bet there are other examples of this fascinating
phenomenon.
>
>Anyways, considering the adventures these ducks have, and the heights to
which they will go, it seems like a fortuitous change in the space/time
continuum...
>
>Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #147
******************************************
>To: "Don Rosa" <(Email removed)>
>From: "David B. Fenske" <(Email removed)>
>Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V98 #146
>In-Reply-To: <01bd99b1$467e8600$(Email removed)>
>
>At 01:32 AM 6/17/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>SHAUN CRAILL:
>>
>>As for what you say about some confusion that might exist about "guidelines
>>and rules"... I can add that *I* have never been given any guidelines by
>>anyone. I do my stories the way I think they should be done. In a rare
>>instance Byron and I might discuss some fine point, but that's after the
>>fact, not based on something I was told to do or not to do beforehand. I do
>>these stories simply by gut-level reaction and feeling. Whether or not
>>Disney forces Gladstone to change or rewrite or totally censor my stories
>>for the American audience is something that I never worry about while
>>writing/drawing the story, and I try not to worry about it much when it
>>happens because it's not worth the mental effort, and is far too inscrutable
>>for mere humans to fathom. I would never allow such corporate policies to
>>dictate how I create a story. Whether that corporation wants to use my story
>>or how they decide to change my story is up to them.... but it never affects
>>how I actually *did* the story originally... that remains the same forever,
>>regardless of what anyone might do to its printed reproduction.
>>Can you say "Howard Roarke"? I knew you could.
>
>Funny you should say that (it's Roark, BTW). I just watched THE
FOUNTAINHEAD the other night... having read it and ATLAS SHRUGGED back in
Junior High School, I thought it might be interesting. Was, sort of. But
anyways, that's off-topic. Have you hidden any Ayn Rand references in your
stories? Would you tell if you had?
>
>I've just read Son of the Sun for the first time, right about the time The
Last Lord of Eldorado came out. Excellent stories both. It was interesting
to read your first and one of your more recent stories one after the other,
especially with the similar content, and the back references to SotS and
Treasure Under Glass. What I was looking for were changes in your artistic
style... and I didn't find many, if any (perhaps a few Duck expressions
weren't as perfect as they are now..). Son of the Sun has all the details
and intricacy that make your stories so fun to look at. By comparison,
the evolution of many other cartoonists work is much more apparent
(examples... Berkeley Breathed (the nose on Opus), Gary Trudeau, even
Charles Schultz).
>
>Anyways, this isn't to suggest your work hasn't developed or improved... I
was just amazed at how technically advanced your first story was.
>
>One thing about both stories though, is they illustrate some incredible
differences in the laws of Physics between our universe and the duck
universe. Both stories contain amazingly rapid descents from great
heights, and yet the Ducks land intact, conscious, still-alive, sometimes
in the same positions. It's like momentum doesn't work the same, or is it
gravity? The math calculations in the newer story *look* correct at first
glance (suggesting their laws are the same as ours), though I haven't
compared them with my old physics texts, which would suggest Newtonian
mechanics still reigns (to a first approximation, anyways). But this is
not an isolated incident (remember The Duck Who Fell to Earth? or Incident
at McDuck Tower?) I'll bet there are other examples of this fascinating
phenomenon.
>
>Anyways, considering the adventures these ducks have, and the heights to
which they will go, it seems like a fortuitous change in the space/time
continuum...
>
>Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #147
******************************************
Marco Barlotti
Giovani Marmotte - Giovani Esploratrici - Vecchi Lettori
Message 114 -
1998-06-18 at 11:57:37
JUERGHEN:
MB> DOES ANYBODY ON THIS ML HAVE A COPY OF ISSUE #9 ???
>
JG>Sorry, I don't have it. But in #8 of the German edition of "Giovani
JG>Marmotte" (called "U.F.F. Unternehmen Faehnlein Fieselschweif") there is an
JG>introduction page on the inside front cover featuring the Chickadees
JG>("die Kohlmeisen" in German) or what nowadays passes for them.
JG>It contains pictures and short characterizations of the troup leader
JG>and four members.
>
It figures. I seem to remember from an old discussion of the "GM" magazine
that the German Edition started some issues LATER with respect to the
Italian one.
So it is reasonable that issue #8 in Germany carries something that appeared
(earlier) in issue #9 in Italy.
A way to check: There is JUST ONE to-be-continued long long story in "GM",
sort of SF one. Issue #9 of "GM" in Italy has chapter 7 of the story
("Princess of the lost town"). What chapter do you have on issue #8 of UFF ?
Marco
(currently discovering funny things on the editorial policy of "GM", I'll
tell you later...)
MB> DOES ANYBODY ON THIS ML HAVE A COPY OF ISSUE #9 ???
>
JG>Sorry, I don't have it. But in #8 of the German edition of "Giovani
JG>Marmotte" (called "U.F.F. Unternehmen Faehnlein Fieselschweif") there is an
JG>introduction page on the inside front cover featuring the Chickadees
JG>("die Kohlmeisen" in German) or what nowadays passes for them.
JG>It contains pictures and short characterizations of the troup leader
JG>and four members.
>
It figures. I seem to remember from an old discussion of the "GM" magazine
that the German Edition started some issues LATER with respect to the
Italian one.
So it is reasonable that issue #8 in Germany carries something that appeared
(earlier) in issue #9 in Italy.
A way to check: There is JUST ONE to-be-continued long long story in "GM",
sort of SF one. Issue #9 of "GM" in Italy has chapter 7 of the story
("Princess of the lost town"). What chapter do you have on issue #8 of UFF ?
Marco
(currently discovering funny things on the editorial policy of "GM", I'll
tell you later...)
SRoweCanoe
Disney comics Digest V98 #147
Message 115 -
1998-06-18 at 13:52:43
In a message dated 98-06-18 03:30:09 EDT, Dider writes
<< I have been looking for back issues of the famous comics and animation
magazine Funnyworld and was wondering if some of you might help.
I am looking for issues: 1 to 11, 13, 21 and 22.
>>
You'll look a long time for the first 9 or so, which had a print run of 75 or
less, and were Mike's contributions to CAPA-alpha, a comics apa.
And Dave asked if Don R had any hidden refrences to Ayn Rand in his stories.
If he does, there are some of us who would perfer that they stay hidden...
Steven Rowe
<< I have been looking for back issues of the famous comics and animation
magazine Funnyworld and was wondering if some of you might help.
I am looking for issues: 1 to 11, 13, 21 and 22.
>>
You'll look a long time for the first 9 or so, which had a print run of 75 or
less, and were Mike's contributions to CAPA-alpha, a comics apa.
And Dave asked if Don R had any hidden refrences to Ayn Rand in his stories.
If he does, there are some of us who would perfer that they stay hidden...
Steven Rowe
Berglund
Disney comics Digest V98 #147 (toon physics)
Message 116 -
1998-06-18 at 14:03:52
DAVID B. FENSKE:
>One thing about both stories though, is they illustrate some incredible
>differences in the laws of Physics between our universe and the duck
>universe. Both stories contain amazingly rapid descents from great
>heights, and yet the Ducks land intact, conscious, still-alive, sometimes
>in the same positions. It's like momentum doesn't work the same, or is it
>gravity? The math calculations in the newer story *look* correct at first
>glance (suggesting their laws are the same as ours), though I haven't
>compared them with my old physics texts, which would suggest Newtonian
>mechanics still reigns (to a first approximation, anyways).
Well Don keeps saying he goes to extremes to make sure things in his stories
are correct,
and when you say "and yet the Ducks land intact, conscious, still-alive,
sometimes in the same positions."
it reminds me of that scene in "Roger Rabbit" with the handcuffs where Roger
said: "...I can only do it if it's funny...".
I'd like to think that Don blends realistic physics with the "toon laws" in
his own special way...
>One thing about both stories though, is they illustrate some incredible
>differences in the laws of Physics between our universe and the duck
>universe. Both stories contain amazingly rapid descents from great
>heights, and yet the Ducks land intact, conscious, still-alive, sometimes
>in the same positions. It's like momentum doesn't work the same, or is it
>gravity? The math calculations in the newer story *look* correct at first
>glance (suggesting their laws are the same as ours), though I haven't
>compared them with my old physics texts, which would suggest Newtonian
>mechanics still reigns (to a first approximation, anyways).
Well Don keeps saying he goes to extremes to make sure things in his stories
are correct,
and when you say "and yet the Ducks land intact, conscious, still-alive,
sometimes in the same positions."
it reminds me of that scene in "Roger Rabbit" with the handcuffs where Roger
said: "...I can only do it if it's funny...".
I'd like to think that Don blends realistic physics with the "toon laws" in
his own special way...
Mikko Pohjola
Attention all Finnish Disney comics fans!
Message 117 -
1998-06-18 at 17:31:03
SUOMALAISET ANKISTIT!
Disney-sarjakuvat ovat Suomessa väkilukuun nähden suositumpia kuin missään
muualla maailmassa. Silti Suomessa - toisin kuin useimmissa muissa
suurissa Disney-sarjakuvamaissa - ei ole asialle omistautunutta seuraa,
joka julkaisisi fanzineita, järjestäisi messuja ja tapahtumia, ja
muutenkin yhdistäisi ankisteja maassamme.
Asian korjaamiseksi minä ja Ankkalinnan Pamaus -fanzinea päätoimittava
Timo Ronkainen kutsumme nyt suomalaisia ankisteja ja hiirifiilejä Turkuun
yhdistyksen perustamiskokoukseen. Jos Ankka-aate on sydäntäsi lähellä,
saavu siis Turun keskustassa sijaitsevaan Cosmic Comic Cafeen
keskiviikkona 1.7. kello 17:00.
Jos et pääse kokoukseen, mutta olet silti kiinnostunut aktivismista,
vastaa tähän viestiin, ja ilmoitamme sinulle mahdollisista
jatkotoimenpiteistä.
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
PS. Apologies to all you non-Finns out there. We're forming a Disney
comics association here in Finland, and I thought that a Finnish ad would
have most effect here on the list.
Disney-sarjakuvat ovat Suomessa väkilukuun nähden suositumpia kuin missään
muualla maailmassa. Silti Suomessa - toisin kuin useimmissa muissa
suurissa Disney-sarjakuvamaissa - ei ole asialle omistautunutta seuraa,
joka julkaisisi fanzineita, järjestäisi messuja ja tapahtumia, ja
muutenkin yhdistäisi ankisteja maassamme.
Asian korjaamiseksi minä ja Ankkalinnan Pamaus -fanzinea päätoimittava
Timo Ronkainen kutsumme nyt suomalaisia ankisteja ja hiirifiilejä Turkuun
yhdistyksen perustamiskokoukseen. Jos Ankka-aate on sydäntäsi lähellä,
saavu siis Turun keskustassa sijaitsevaan Cosmic Comic Cafeen
keskiviikkona 1.7. kello 17:00.
Jos et pääse kokoukseen, mutta olet silti kiinnostunut aktivismista,
vastaa tähän viestiin, ja ilmoitamme sinulle mahdollisista
jatkotoimenpiteistä.
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
PS. Apologies to all you non-Finns out there. We're forming a Disney
comics association here in Finland, and I thought that a Finnish ad would
have most effect here on the list.
Mikko Pohjola
The Black Knight
Message 118 -
1998-06-18 at 18:01:14
* SPOILERS: DON ROSA'S "THE BLACK KNIGHT" *
Like all Egmont readers I've now read Don Rosa's dark-spirited epic "The
Black Knight". And I must say I liked it a lot! As all Rosa stories this
was filled with numerous background gags and inside jokes. For a while
now I've thought, however, that Rosa is at his best doing these "fuzzy
physics" kinda science fiction stories.
One thing bothers me with this story more than most of Don's work: the
dialogue. Somehow it seems more complicated than necessary. I once read
that Barks took great care in keeping his dialogue rich yet simple even
counting the number of syllables in signle words. Don says he wants to
make sure his readers don't feel talked down to. One thing that should be
remembered, though, is that most of the readers are not academically
educated grown-ups - they're children who don't speak French! This is
something Don, I believe, has made a concious choice about. But another
point in simplistic dialogue is its dramatic values. I really think the
dramatic quality of the story diminishes as the dialogue gets more
complicated.
Now back to praising the story. I really enjoyed the general plot! The
re-use of The Universal Solvent (tm) in this manner was very clever! And
finally we get to see a burgler who is a serious threat to Scrooge and not
just a cheap lough. No son of a silly person was this Frenchman. One thing
I wondered about the portrayal of this master thief was the fact that his
face was shown in the very beginning. Don, did you ever consider making
his face a mystery til the very end - or not showing it even then?
A great story once again. Thank you Don! (I won't ask you how the Black
Knight was able to breathe or how the acid didn't infiltrate his suit from
the joints as I know you'll just answer with it being suspension of
disbelief required to make this story..)
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Like all Egmont readers I've now read Don Rosa's dark-spirited epic "The
Black Knight". And I must say I liked it a lot! As all Rosa stories this
was filled with numerous background gags and inside jokes. For a while
now I've thought, however, that Rosa is at his best doing these "fuzzy
physics" kinda science fiction stories.
One thing bothers me with this story more than most of Don's work: the
dialogue. Somehow it seems more complicated than necessary. I once read
that Barks took great care in keeping his dialogue rich yet simple even
counting the number of syllables in signle words. Don says he wants to
make sure his readers don't feel talked down to. One thing that should be
remembered, though, is that most of the readers are not academically
educated grown-ups - they're children who don't speak French! This is
something Don, I believe, has made a concious choice about. But another
point in simplistic dialogue is its dramatic values. I really think the
dramatic quality of the story diminishes as the dialogue gets more
complicated.
Now back to praising the story. I really enjoyed the general plot! The
re-use of The Universal Solvent (tm) in this manner was very clever! And
finally we get to see a burgler who is a serious threat to Scrooge and not
just a cheap lough. No son of a silly person was this Frenchman. One thing
I wondered about the portrayal of this master thief was the fact that his
face was shown in the very beginning. Don, did you ever consider making
his face a mystery til the very end - or not showing it even then?
A great story once again. Thank you Don! (I won't ask you how the Black
Knight was able to breathe or how the acid didn't infiltrate his suit from
the joints as I know you'll just answer with it being suspension of
disbelief required to make this story..)
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Per Starback
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moved this list and other mailing list I administrate won't work.
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be problems with the network in the new building, and then it might
take longer. Probably (hopefully!) not longer then 48 hours anyway.
The list will be operational to at least June 24, 4 PM GMT.
Then I will turn them off before I go home, but I can't say now when
in the evening or night that will be.
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"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V98 #147
Message 120 -
1998-06-18 at 19:36:02
DAVID FENSKE:
>>One thing about both stories though, is they illustrate some incredible
>differences in the laws of Physics between our universe and the duck
>universe. Both stories contain amazingly rapid descents from great
>heights, and yet the Ducks land intact, conscious, still-alive,
Of course beings in my comedies suffer less than they normally would in real
life if they fell or were hit by something! You sound like you want these
comics to read like that Bernie Krigstein parody of "Maggie & Jiggs" that
was in the old MAD or PANIC comic... where Jiggs shows how if comics were
like real-life he would actually lose teeth or suffer concussions or
compound fractures when Maggie hit him with a vase! Wouldn't you agree I
obey more rules of actual physical law than any other writer in these
comics? I'm not aiming for total reality, simply more reality.
And still -- name the instance in the stories you site ("Eldorado", "McDuck
Tower", "Duck Who Fell to Earth") when my characters survived a fall from a
height that would kill them outright. I always showed that the falls were
fairly short or broken by some obstacle or circumstance. *Certainly* they
would have been more bruised or battered than I show.... but I know you
don't want the Ducks to sport casts and splints for the remainder of any
story where they suffer a mere prattfall, eh?
STEFAN DIOS:
I assumed we were referring to my background in-jokes when I said it's
impossible for them to go "too far", which I still maintain. The tiny "zeee
zeeee" sound was a trivial panel detail. Sure, an in-joke that becomes the
center of the sequence, and which has no alternate meaning, and which brings
the story to a grinding halt (not simply makes the reader wonder for a
nonce), would be too much. And I've always known the one time I did make
that mistake: in "The Son of the Sun" I had the old vicuna hunter saying
"Still looking for square eggs?", which didn't make a grain of sense to
anyone who was not familiar with that tale (which is about 37 people in
Europe).
>>One thing about both stories though, is they illustrate some incredible
>differences in the laws of Physics between our universe and the duck
>universe. Both stories contain amazingly rapid descents from great
>heights, and yet the Ducks land intact, conscious, still-alive,
Of course beings in my comedies suffer less than they normally would in real
life if they fell or were hit by something! You sound like you want these
comics to read like that Bernie Krigstein parody of "Maggie & Jiggs" that
was in the old MAD or PANIC comic... where Jiggs shows how if comics were
like real-life he would actually lose teeth or suffer concussions or
compound fractures when Maggie hit him with a vase! Wouldn't you agree I
obey more rules of actual physical law than any other writer in these
comics? I'm not aiming for total reality, simply more reality.
And still -- name the instance in the stories you site ("Eldorado", "McDuck
Tower", "Duck Who Fell to Earth") when my characters survived a fall from a
height that would kill them outright. I always showed that the falls were
fairly short or broken by some obstacle or circumstance. *Certainly* they
would have been more bruised or battered than I show.... but I know you
don't want the Ducks to sport casts and splints for the remainder of any
story where they suffer a mere prattfall, eh?
STEFAN DIOS:
I assumed we were referring to my background in-jokes when I said it's
impossible for them to go "too far", which I still maintain. The tiny "zeee
zeeee" sound was a trivial panel detail. Sure, an in-joke that becomes the
center of the sequence, and which has no alternate meaning, and which brings
the story to a grinding halt (not simply makes the reader wonder for a
nonce), would be too much. And I've always known the one time I did make
that mistake: in "The Son of the Sun" I had the old vicuna hunter saying
"Still looking for square eggs?", which didn't make a grain of sense to
anyone who was not familiar with that tale (which is about 37 people in
Europe).