Hi folks, I'm back... I've got access to a working (for now) computer, and
am able to recieve any mail sent my way.
Anyway, to get a little caught up on things...
DON ROSA:
Good to hear you've finally gotten all those Lo$ insert drawing completed.
I'm sure once they've all gone out, the people who've been waiting since
October (or August, for that matter) will have no more complaints.
Such a great deed deserves a reward! When would you like me to come over
and cut your grass?
Anyway, I've got a couple of comments on U$ 311.
First off, it looks like my name has been published for the first time in
the publication most important to me. Hopefully someday my name will be
in the CREDITS section. ;)
However, the letter Gladstone chose to print from me was written TWO YEARS
AGO! I'm a bit embarassed at the opinions I expressed, and they're
certainly not valid today. I totally agree with Gladstone's stance on
detailed coloring. I think no Disney comic in the world comes CLOSE to
the fine job done by Gladstone's excellent coloring team. Not to mention
the fact that coloring in the Duck's mouths DOES make the over-all
appearance look less appealing.
I wonder why Gladstone chose to print it at all... it was already
published in the exclusive GLADSTONE GAZETTE in it's last issue. I
wasn't even aware that it may be published. I just thought I was writing a
quick e-mail to Gladstone's staff. This was of course before I learned of
their other address...
Moving on, I must say that after the dissapointing alterations to last
issue's "Triple Distelfink" story, I must say that the "Eldorado" story
was done PERFECTLY!!! Don, you've certainly got something to look forward
to... when you eventually even GET the book. ;)
The coloring looked great, the lettering looked great, and of course the
prestige format helped out a lot too!
-Shaun Fortuna Favet Fortibus
"The greatest thing about success
is that it's the ultimate tool of
revenge." -- Shirley Manson
Author
Topic: 199806
(174 messages)
Garbageman
Uncle $crooge #311
Message 76 -
1998-06-13 at 10:26:56
George Xydas
London and Mickey
Message 77 -
1998-06-13 at 12:11:55
In message <(Email removed)>, Per-Erik =3D?ISO-
8859-1?Q?Malmstr=3DF6m ?=3D <(Email removed)> wr=
ites
>
>DAVID (about Noel Van Horn):
>> But Gladstone is using a lot of his stuff these days -
>> with "Off on a Comet" in this issue, and "Fishing for Trouble" and "=
The
>> Lost Train" (a two-parter) both coming up. They also have "Digging U=
p
>> Trouble" (my own collaboration with Noel) in hand, but I don't know =
when
>> or if they're planning to use it.
>
>Great! It's about time they start printing more of Noel's stories. It =
would
>also be interesting to see some of the recent "ailien-inspired" storie=
s
>that are SO common here in the Egmont countries. Mickey has really gon=
e
>through some drastic changes lately. He's never chasing crooks nowaday=
s,
>he's to bussy with ailiens, strange creatures, and a lot of other, "mo=
dern"
>stuff. He's like an entirely new person, but still as adventurous as e=
ver.
>(Or maybe he's like he used to be in the (IMO) good old days, his days=
with
>Gottfredson)=20
>
>GIAN & FRANK:
>Thank you for the information about Dinsey shops in London. It'll be
>useful!
Re: London & Disney.
I should've helped out a bit earlier, but I assumed that there would be
a few more from here that would have better information! Never mind.
There are a couple of places you might want to go, some of which have
already been mentioned.
Firstly there's Forbidden Planet, which is in New Oxford Street. As has
been pointed out, this is mainly a science-fiction/fantasy and US
SuperHeroes type comic shop, so you're not going to find an awful lot i=
n
here except for the Gladstone Albums.
A better shop (because it's smaller, more friendly and less 'fan'
focused) is the shop opposite the British Museum called 'Gosh!'. Again,
this is US-type comic shop, but it does have some Gladstone stuff in
it's back-issue section. I managed to get US 219 (or whatever the first
Rosa one was) in here about a year ago for =A31 (1 GBP, about $1.60) so
they price stuff quite reasonably! They also do the Albums, as does
Comic Showcase which is in Neal Street.
All the shops I've mentioned so far are within 1 km of each other, so
you don't have to worry about travelling about too much. They're also
right in the heart of London, so it's not like you have to visit the
suburbs or something.
One other place of interest to the 'Comic Fan' is Conquistador, in
Greenwich (south-east London). They're a mail-order company (and do hav=
e
a web-presence so you might want to check them out) that have a small
store. I mention them because they're a good source of rare-books and
for British Disney comics - They're quite a run of the IPC/Fleetway
comics that were published over here in the 70's (Donald & Mickey,
Donald Duck, Goofy, Mickey Mouse Magazine, etc.) To get to Greenwich
you'll either need to get a bus (I think the 188 goes from central
London, but You'll need to check), or a train. Trains leave from Charin=
g
Cross Main Line Station (platform 2!) every half-hour or so. Charing
Cross is near Trafalgar Square.
You have to bear in mind that we cannot get Gladstone comics in the UK.
I'm not sure why this is, but I assume it's because there is a local
Disney licensee that doesn't want the competition.
Beyond all of this, they're are the usual Disney Stores. Try a Yellow
Pages when you get here for a full list, otherwise there's one on Regen=
t
street, between Piccadilly Circus and Oxford Circus.
Hope this helps, have a good trip.
--=20
George Xydas
8859-1?Q?Malmstr=3DF6m ?=3D <(Email removed)> wr=
ites
>
>DAVID (about Noel Van Horn):
>> But Gladstone is using a lot of his stuff these days -
>> with "Off on a Comet" in this issue, and "Fishing for Trouble" and "=
The
>> Lost Train" (a two-parter) both coming up. They also have "Digging U=
p
>> Trouble" (my own collaboration with Noel) in hand, but I don't know =
when
>> or if they're planning to use it.
>
>Great! It's about time they start printing more of Noel's stories. It =
would
>also be interesting to see some of the recent "ailien-inspired" storie=
s
>that are SO common here in the Egmont countries. Mickey has really gon=
e
>through some drastic changes lately. He's never chasing crooks nowaday=
s,
>he's to bussy with ailiens, strange creatures, and a lot of other, "mo=
dern"
>stuff. He's like an entirely new person, but still as adventurous as e=
ver.
>(Or maybe he's like he used to be in the (IMO) good old days, his days=
with
>Gottfredson)=20
>
>GIAN & FRANK:
>Thank you for the information about Dinsey shops in London. It'll be
>useful!
Re: London & Disney.
I should've helped out a bit earlier, but I assumed that there would be
a few more from here that would have better information! Never mind.
There are a couple of places you might want to go, some of which have
already been mentioned.
Firstly there's Forbidden Planet, which is in New Oxford Street. As has
been pointed out, this is mainly a science-fiction/fantasy and US
SuperHeroes type comic shop, so you're not going to find an awful lot i=
n
here except for the Gladstone Albums.
A better shop (because it's smaller, more friendly and less 'fan'
focused) is the shop opposite the British Museum called 'Gosh!'. Again,
this is US-type comic shop, but it does have some Gladstone stuff in
it's back-issue section. I managed to get US 219 (or whatever the first
Rosa one was) in here about a year ago for =A31 (1 GBP, about $1.60) so
they price stuff quite reasonably! They also do the Albums, as does
Comic Showcase which is in Neal Street.
All the shops I've mentioned so far are within 1 km of each other, so
you don't have to worry about travelling about too much. They're also
right in the heart of London, so it's not like you have to visit the
suburbs or something.
One other place of interest to the 'Comic Fan' is Conquistador, in
Greenwich (south-east London). They're a mail-order company (and do hav=
e
a web-presence so you might want to check them out) that have a small
store. I mention them because they're a good source of rare-books and
for British Disney comics - They're quite a run of the IPC/Fleetway
comics that were published over here in the 70's (Donald & Mickey,
Donald Duck, Goofy, Mickey Mouse Magazine, etc.) To get to Greenwich
you'll either need to get a bus (I think the 188 goes from central
London, but You'll need to check), or a train. Trains leave from Charin=
g
Cross Main Line Station (platform 2!) every half-hour or so. Charing
Cross is near Trafalgar Square.
You have to bear in mind that we cannot get Gladstone comics in the UK.
I'm not sure why this is, but I assume it's because there is a local
Disney licensee that doesn't want the competition.
Beyond all of this, they're are the usual Disney Stores. Try a Yellow
Pages when you get here for a full list, otherwise there's one on Regen=
t
street, between Piccadilly Circus and Oxford Circus.
Hope this helps, have a good trip.
--=20
George Xydas
Stefan Diös
Grouch Kings and Black Knight
Message 78 -
1998-06-13 at 18:24:42
I go away for a while, and all of a sudden people want me... Well, it's been
a couple of weeks, but let's see what I can say...
First of all, JOHN LUSTIG in Digest #135:
Thank you (and Per-Erik, your informant) for the nice words about my Swedish
translations. Yes, I very much enjoyed working with your "The Grouch Kings
of Duckburg" (Egmont Scandinavian Weekly #17), especially the parts where
Scrooge and Crabbapple tried to out-grouch each other. I also appreciated
the friendly (?) mockery of our friends in sci-fi fandom.
It's always easier to make a good translation from a good script, and you
are very right that a little pat on the back once in a while can make
wonders for translators and writers alike. So let me reciprocate
immediately: I sometimes make personal notes while working on the different
stories, intended for my editors or, more often than not, just for myself.
And this is what I wrote after finishing "Grouch Kings":
"John Lustig is one of the best writers in the business, maybe the best of
them all."
Of course, I might have said similar things about other writers as well,
having their best efforts fresh in mind... but even in retrospect, I'm
certainly prepared to stand by that opinion.
So, we're both excellent! Good for us!
And on to the next subject, discussed around the same time: Don Rosa's "The
Black Knight".
This 24-pager was scheduled for the Scandinavian Weeklies ##23 and 24. But
since the Swedish editors (for unrelated reasons) decided to make a double
feature out of these particular issues, both parts happened to fall in the
same magazine. As Don himself (and others) have noted, he always makes
different versions of each long story in order to accomodate publishers who
might want to use the whole story at once, as well as those who run it in
parts. In this case, there are two versions of page 13: one with a splash
panel and text boxes for the resum=E9 captions, and one with continuing=
gags.
Trouble is, Egmont is getting so big, with so many people in different
countries in charge of all the different decisions, that everyone involved
wasn't aware of this fact. When we found out, it was only in the last minute
we were able to switch pages, so that the Swedish readers could receive the
story, as intended, in one part. I would like to thank everybody involved at
the Swedish, Danish, and Norwegian Egmont offices (yes, we need three
countries to locate and substitute one page) for reacting so quickly and
cooperating to make this happen. Thanks also to Don himself for reminding
us, when I told him (almost too late) that the whole story would fall in one
issue.
Regarding the translation:
Don points out that the fallen knight is supposed to say "Ni!" on page 23,
and wonders why the Swedish text has "Gni!" instead. Then it was suggested
(by Martin Berglund) that "ni" is a Swedish word, meaning "you" (formally or
plural), which could account for the change. Well, that may be part of the
truth, but a more direct reason is that I'm the only person in the civilized
world who doesn't know the complete Monty Python lore by heart... now I
gather that this is another of the dozens of movie references that are lost
on me. No matter how many hidden secrets you find in the Don Rosa stories,
there are always a few more! Then again, even if I had known, I *might* have
decided to drop the reference. Of course I can't say that for sure, but as
it was, I guess I just thought that "ni" sounded a bit lame.
As for the watch sound on page 4, the given effect was indeed "ZEEE ZEEEE".
When working with the story, I wasn't sure what the sound was, and all I
could think of was the watch. And as I couldn't understand why it was
supposed to go ZEE ZEE, I just decided to put in a more normal watch sound.
Forgive my density, but like a few others on this list, I'm still in the
dark as to what the original gag is. A watch with a French accent, perhaps?
Or another reference? Maybe Don can enlighten us, and then I can decide
whether I made a serious mistake!
Don has the villain speak with a heavy French accent throughout the story,
sometimes leading to funny gags. I tried to emulate this in the Swedish
translation, but I'm not sure it turned out very well. Looking through it
now, I fear it might be troublesome reading, and not fun enough, for the
majority of "normal" readers. All in all, this wasn't an easy story to
translate, although fun and inspiring. Despite Martin's kind words in Digest
#136, I don't think the result is one of my best... but if that's the case,
I'll seek solace in the fact that "The Grouch Kings of Duckburg" obviously
turned out better!
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
a couple of weeks, but let's see what I can say...
First of all, JOHN LUSTIG in Digest #135:
Thank you (and Per-Erik, your informant) for the nice words about my Swedish
translations. Yes, I very much enjoyed working with your "The Grouch Kings
of Duckburg" (Egmont Scandinavian Weekly #17), especially the parts where
Scrooge and Crabbapple tried to out-grouch each other. I also appreciated
the friendly (?) mockery of our friends in sci-fi fandom.
It's always easier to make a good translation from a good script, and you
are very right that a little pat on the back once in a while can make
wonders for translators and writers alike. So let me reciprocate
immediately: I sometimes make personal notes while working on the different
stories, intended for my editors or, more often than not, just for myself.
And this is what I wrote after finishing "Grouch Kings":
"John Lustig is one of the best writers in the business, maybe the best of
them all."
Of course, I might have said similar things about other writers as well,
having their best efforts fresh in mind... but even in retrospect, I'm
certainly prepared to stand by that opinion.
So, we're both excellent! Good for us!
And on to the next subject, discussed around the same time: Don Rosa's "The
Black Knight".
This 24-pager was scheduled for the Scandinavian Weeklies ##23 and 24. But
since the Swedish editors (for unrelated reasons) decided to make a double
feature out of these particular issues, both parts happened to fall in the
same magazine. As Don himself (and others) have noted, he always makes
different versions of each long story in order to accomodate publishers who
might want to use the whole story at once, as well as those who run it in
parts. In this case, there are two versions of page 13: one with a splash
panel and text boxes for the resum=E9 captions, and one with continuing=
gags.
Trouble is, Egmont is getting so big, with so many people in different
countries in charge of all the different decisions, that everyone involved
wasn't aware of this fact. When we found out, it was only in the last minute
we were able to switch pages, so that the Swedish readers could receive the
story, as intended, in one part. I would like to thank everybody involved at
the Swedish, Danish, and Norwegian Egmont offices (yes, we need three
countries to locate and substitute one page) for reacting so quickly and
cooperating to make this happen. Thanks also to Don himself for reminding
us, when I told him (almost too late) that the whole story would fall in one
issue.
Regarding the translation:
Don points out that the fallen knight is supposed to say "Ni!" on page 23,
and wonders why the Swedish text has "Gni!" instead. Then it was suggested
(by Martin Berglund) that "ni" is a Swedish word, meaning "you" (formally or
plural), which could account for the change. Well, that may be part of the
truth, but a more direct reason is that I'm the only person in the civilized
world who doesn't know the complete Monty Python lore by heart... now I
gather that this is another of the dozens of movie references that are lost
on me. No matter how many hidden secrets you find in the Don Rosa stories,
there are always a few more! Then again, even if I had known, I *might* have
decided to drop the reference. Of course I can't say that for sure, but as
it was, I guess I just thought that "ni" sounded a bit lame.
As for the watch sound on page 4, the given effect was indeed "ZEEE ZEEEE".
When working with the story, I wasn't sure what the sound was, and all I
could think of was the watch. And as I couldn't understand why it was
supposed to go ZEE ZEE, I just decided to put in a more normal watch sound.
Forgive my density, but like a few others on this list, I'm still in the
dark as to what the original gag is. A watch with a French accent, perhaps?
Or another reference? Maybe Don can enlighten us, and then I can decide
whether I made a serious mistake!
Don has the villain speak with a heavy French accent throughout the story,
sometimes leading to funny gags. I tried to emulate this in the Swedish
translation, but I'm not sure it turned out very well. Looking through it
now, I fear it might be troublesome reading, and not fun enough, for the
majority of "normal" readers. All in all, this wasn't an easy story to
translate, although fun and inspiring. Despite Martin's kind words in Digest
#136, I don't think the result is one of my best... but if that's the case,
I'll seek solace in the fact that "The Grouch Kings of Duckburg" obviously
turned out better!
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Michael Naiman
Last Lords
Message 79 -
1998-06-13 at 18:43:05
Let's see now....drinking beer and hanging out in a Beer Hall is OK for our
feathered friends and religious expletives such as "Madre di Dios" (Mother
of God) seems to not ruffle any feathers...will someone please consult
Disney's Story Guidelines and see why guns are not allowed???
feathered friends and religious expletives such as "Madre di Dios" (Mother
of God) seems to not ruffle any feathers...will someone please consult
Disney's Story Guidelines and see why guns are not allowed???
Lynneb56
Inherited Disney Comics
Message 80 -
1998-06-13 at 18:44:58
I recently inherited my dad's childhood collection of Donald Duck, Mickey
Mouse and Uncle Scrooge comic books. They date from the early 1940s to about
1960. They were well loved (read Good and Very Good condition) and read and
reread by my entire family for years. They have been stacked, with no care,
but have not really been handled for the last 20 years.
I also have a black ink drawing of Donald by Carl Barks with the words,
"Quack, quack to you, Prof Burnett!" above Donald and "Remember when Donald
looked like this?" below the drawing of Donald. It is signed Carl Barks. The
entire work is on a plain piece of white paper about 5x7.
Any comments, suggestions, questions regarding my new acquisitions?
Lynne
Mouse and Uncle Scrooge comic books. They date from the early 1940s to about
1960. They were well loved (read Good and Very Good condition) and read and
reread by my entire family for years. They have been stacked, with no care,
but have not really been handled for the last 20 years.
I also have a black ink drawing of Donald by Carl Barks with the words,
"Quack, quack to you, Prof Burnett!" above Donald and "Remember when Donald
looked like this?" below the drawing of Donald. It is signed Carl Barks. The
entire work is on a plain piece of white paper about 5x7.
Any comments, suggestions, questions regarding my new acquisitions?
Lynne
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Dave Rawson's "On the Ball"
Message 81 -
1998-06-13 at 18:53:20
A short, quick message to tell that the 'right version' of "On the Ball",
(D95173) co-written by Dave Rawson, has just been published in the Dutch
Donald Duck Extra No. 6.
In the USA, a different version (only in art) of the story version was
published in 1996 in Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse No. 7.
For the people who don't know what I mean, here some explanation from Dave
Rawson, cut and pasted from an e-mail sent to the list on 29 July 1996:
"The story was co-written with Pat McGreal. The art [of the DD&MM 7
version, uncoded] was not by Branca, but by someone whose name I don't
recall. [...] this version of the story was not supposed to be printed.
There exists a version with better art (by Ferioli) [...]"
This Ferioli version is now printed in Holland. (Yes, Dave, I have bought
an extra issue for you.) I doubt that this version will ever be used in
the USA, because of the other version already been used.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
(D95173) co-written by Dave Rawson, has just been published in the Dutch
Donald Duck Extra No. 6.
In the USA, a different version (only in art) of the story version was
published in 1996 in Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse No. 7.
For the people who don't know what I mean, here some explanation from Dave
Rawson, cut and pasted from an e-mail sent to the list on 29 July 1996:
"The story was co-written with Pat McGreal. The art [of the DD&MM 7
version, uncoded] was not by Branca, but by someone whose name I don't
recall. [...] this version of the story was not supposed to be printed.
There exists a version with better art (by Ferioli) [...]"
This Ferioli version is now printed in Holland. (Yes, Dave, I have bought
an extra issue for you.) I doubt that this version will ever be used in
the USA, because of the other version already been used.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
Per-Erik Malmström
Inherited Disney Comics
Message 82 -
1998-06-13 at 19:49:18
LYNNE:
> Any comments, suggestions, questions regarding my new acquisitions?
Gosh! Sound like you've been very lucky. I only inherited one DD comic book
from my parents. It is from the fiftieth, but...to give a fair judge of the
condition we would have to add a something to the scale, *Worse than Poor*!
Take good care of your gems! Not everyone have an original by the Great
Duckman. Believe me--I know!;-)
Best,
Per-Erik
> Any comments, suggestions, questions regarding my new acquisitions?
Gosh! Sound like you've been very lucky. I only inherited one DD comic book
from my parents. It is from the fiftieth, but...to give a fair judge of the
condition we would have to add a something to the scale, *Worse than Poor*!
Take good care of your gems! Not everyone have an original by the Great
Duckman. Believe me--I know!;-)
Best,
Per-Erik
SRoweCanoe
Disney Adventures #100
Message 83 -
1998-06-13 at 21:34:21
Disney Adventures #100 Volume 8 #9 July 1998
Mulan cover
hmm, I'm missing an issue; but yet I still have 100 issues ... - they don't
list the 0 issue. They picture all 100, leaving out the fact that there are
alternate covers on some of these... the issue I need is Dec 1991, Volume 2 #2
the Paula Abdul issue (in case ther's any generous soul out there).
Scrooge is on the cover of 1/91, Magicca on 11/92
comics include...
the Why? Files ((a MAD magazine like article on the X-files))
Heidi MacDonald / Jeff Wong no # 4pp
Mulan * Mending The Wall B980005 (very tiny #s) 8pp
B.Foster & C.Van Osten / P.Borges & J.Anselmo
Spartan X (?) * My Greates Stunts by Jackie Chan No #, 4pp
Rene Witterstaetter/ Rick Magyar & Michael Golden
courtesy Image Comics - I'n not sure if this is Spartan X or Jackie Chan
Simpsons * Tales of the Briny Deep no# 5pp
Jamie Angell / Phil Ortiz & Tim Bavington
courtsey Bongo Comics Group - a reprint I assume
good comics for kids, lousy deal for Disney fans, other than Mulan...
Steven Rowe
Mulan cover
hmm, I'm missing an issue; but yet I still have 100 issues ... - they don't
list the 0 issue. They picture all 100, leaving out the fact that there are
alternate covers on some of these... the issue I need is Dec 1991, Volume 2 #2
the Paula Abdul issue (in case ther's any generous soul out there).
Scrooge is on the cover of 1/91, Magicca on 11/92
comics include...
the Why? Files ((a MAD magazine like article on the X-files))
Heidi MacDonald / Jeff Wong no # 4pp
Mulan * Mending The Wall B980005 (very tiny #s) 8pp
B.Foster & C.Van Osten / P.Borges & J.Anselmo
Spartan X (?) * My Greates Stunts by Jackie Chan No #, 4pp
Rene Witterstaetter/ Rick Magyar & Michael Golden
courtesy Image Comics - I'n not sure if this is Spartan X or Jackie Chan
Simpsons * Tales of the Briny Deep no# 5pp
Jamie Angell / Phil Ortiz & Tim Bavington
courtsey Bongo Comics Group - a reprint I assume
good comics for kids, lousy deal for Disney fans, other than Mulan...
Steven Rowe
Markoff
US 311 and WDC&S 626
Message 84 -
1998-06-14 at 06:43:06
In Digest V98 #59 (February 21), Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
>JONATHAN MARKOFF:
>Thanks for your review! It has been very silent in giving reviews here
>since Jorgen Andreas Bangor stopped sending them on the Norsk Disney
>comics in (I guess) early 1996. Hopefully this will be a returning
>tradition.
Since then, after about 3 months or so of my review rulership, Katie
Sullivan has emerged as a hot competition, always managing to receive the
latest issues before me, I welcome her "partnership"! Like Daniel, I'd like
to hear alot more speak up and give their differing opinions. I'll
re-explore the issues that Katie covered in V98 #141--UNCLE SCROOGE 311 an
WALT DISNEY'S COMICS AND STORIES 626.
***SPOILERS ABOUND***
US 311
"The Last Lords of El Dorado" stole the show, hands down. I loved the
complicated history (especially since the college telecourse I'm taking
involves much Spanish and Hispanoamerican history), the references to "Son
of the Sun" and "Treasure Under Glass," the gags about the nunnery judo
classes, Glomgold's uproarious disguises, and yes, I even got a kick out of
the much criticized penultimate "fiery Flintheart" panel. It seemed a
"rematch" of the "YOU MADE ME MEAN" seen from Life of Scrooge 6, and was a
delightful anomaly in the ever-dubious Duck dental anatomy. Some readers
have complained about the lack of story over "history" or the in-joke-heavy
ending, but really the only problem I had was that the Andes are being
trampled into Lake Titicoocoo by certain webbed feet. Really, think of the
total number of Duck stories in this setting, which have mined out more
stories ideas than the Ducks have with the gold itself: the two Plain Awful
stories, "The Prize of Pizarro," "Son of the Sun," "The Secret of the Incas"
(by Erickson), and now this (and I'm sure I've left out some). While this
was great, I would vote, until William Van Horn tosses in his two Peruvian
soles, for no more Duck "Inca" stories.
"The Black Widow," vastly overshadowed by Rosa's opus, deserves a second or
third read on its own to be appreciated after the "comedown". During the
first few pages (especially with Donald's "I think I've seen her before"
comment), I assumed that Mrs. Williams and her flowers were simply a ploy by
a disguised Magica DeSpell to hypnotize Scrooge into surrendering his #1
dime with her old booby-trapped perfume trick. Instead, it turned into
various unpredicted directions leading to a poisonous spider, an unusually
clever Donald, and a surprise resolution involving an enemy posing as a
friend. The greatest complaint I had about the story was the bland script,
which seemed short in the way of characteristic jokes and snappy one-liners.
With this in mind, I agree with Christopher Barat that the name "Mrs.
Williams" (Mrs?--is there something we should know?) doesn't exactly conjure
up a dark, dangerous femme fatale. Scrooge also seems unusually reckless in
this story, and one plot element seems flawed--if Mrs. Williams was
innocent, why was she armed and ready in the secret passage? To the story's
credit, though, I think her complaint about Scrooge's "ungentlemanliness"
was an understandable emotion, having been assaulted and imprisoned by a
guest in her own home.
"The Sweater Swindle" was much less remarkable. Scrooge may pay his nephews
a mere 30 cents an hour, but somehow his taking advantage of Grandma in this
story seemed a bit too Glomgoldish even for him.
"Outfoxed Fox" was a Barks story I've seen before. While a better choice
than "Back to Long Ago," the previous reprint date (1989) seems a little too
recent.
WDC 626
"A Real Gone Guy." The "invisible paint" gag is nothing new, but William Van
Horn adds some new twists to it. I liked Gyro's confrontation with the
general, reminding me of another story involving a military top-secret
weapons mix-up, Barks' "Have Gun Will Dance." The story seemed to lack a
conclusive ending, though. I think it would have been interesting to see
another 5 or so pages showing Donald's subsequent conflicts with the
butterflies.
"Off on a Comet" was a nice bit of extra-terrestrial slapstick. David
Gerstein has been rightfully praised for his Mickey work, but to me Byron
Erickson's tales have always seemed more surreal. (Comment: I never knew
Goofy was such a conspiracy theory fan.) Noel Van Horn's artwork, while not
as polished as Ferioli's, is expressive and fluid.
"Camera Crazy" was rather simple as Barks stories go, but it was an
enjoyable "throwback." Congratulations to Gladstone for printing a REALLY
early Barks story which hasn't recently seen print!
"Lambert the Sheepish Lion." Is Bruce Hamilton peddling the original art to
this?
The early Mickey strips, though badly dated in context of story and art,
were nevertheless an intriguing peek at antediluvian Disneyana. No comment
beyond that, really.
"One of Our Dinosaurs is Missing," a VERY direct contrast to the previous
piece, was better than "Hole-in-the-Wall at Hoodooyadoo". Ferioli's art was
great, especially in the last panel, which looked like one of the better
artistic moments of DUCKTALES. Is Ferioli also an animation artist?
"The Lost Fawn." See my comment on "Lambert the Sheepish Lion." I'm glad
that Gladstone is tapping into the early 1970s Gold Key era, though. (When
will they get to Moby Duck? ;-) ;-) ;-)
***END SPOILERS***
--Jonathan Markoff (A recent kind of graduate myself...)
"Oh no, that's not one of our sisters. They learn much better style than
that in their judo classes."
--Don Rosa, "The Last Lords of El Dorado"
>JONATHAN MARKOFF:
>Thanks for your review! It has been very silent in giving reviews here
>since Jorgen Andreas Bangor stopped sending them on the Norsk Disney
>comics in (I guess) early 1996. Hopefully this will be a returning
>tradition.
Since then, after about 3 months or so of my review rulership, Katie
Sullivan has emerged as a hot competition, always managing to receive the
latest issues before me, I welcome her "partnership"! Like Daniel, I'd like
to hear alot more speak up and give their differing opinions. I'll
re-explore the issues that Katie covered in V98 #141--UNCLE SCROOGE 311 an
WALT DISNEY'S COMICS AND STORIES 626.
***SPOILERS ABOUND***
US 311
"The Last Lords of El Dorado" stole the show, hands down. I loved the
complicated history (especially since the college telecourse I'm taking
involves much Spanish and Hispanoamerican history), the references to "Son
of the Sun" and "Treasure Under Glass," the gags about the nunnery judo
classes, Glomgold's uproarious disguises, and yes, I even got a kick out of
the much criticized penultimate "fiery Flintheart" panel. It seemed a
"rematch" of the "YOU MADE ME MEAN" seen from Life of Scrooge 6, and was a
delightful anomaly in the ever-dubious Duck dental anatomy. Some readers
have complained about the lack of story over "history" or the in-joke-heavy
ending, but really the only problem I had was that the Andes are being
trampled into Lake Titicoocoo by certain webbed feet. Really, think of the
total number of Duck stories in this setting, which have mined out more
stories ideas than the Ducks have with the gold itself: the two Plain Awful
stories, "The Prize of Pizarro," "Son of the Sun," "The Secret of the Incas"
(by Erickson), and now this (and I'm sure I've left out some). While this
was great, I would vote, until William Van Horn tosses in his two Peruvian
soles, for no more Duck "Inca" stories.
"The Black Widow," vastly overshadowed by Rosa's opus, deserves a second or
third read on its own to be appreciated after the "comedown". During the
first few pages (especially with Donald's "I think I've seen her before"
comment), I assumed that Mrs. Williams and her flowers were simply a ploy by
a disguised Magica DeSpell to hypnotize Scrooge into surrendering his #1
dime with her old booby-trapped perfume trick. Instead, it turned into
various unpredicted directions leading to a poisonous spider, an unusually
clever Donald, and a surprise resolution involving an enemy posing as a
friend. The greatest complaint I had about the story was the bland script,
which seemed short in the way of characteristic jokes and snappy one-liners.
With this in mind, I agree with Christopher Barat that the name "Mrs.
Williams" (Mrs?--is there something we should know?) doesn't exactly conjure
up a dark, dangerous femme fatale. Scrooge also seems unusually reckless in
this story, and one plot element seems flawed--if Mrs. Williams was
innocent, why was she armed and ready in the secret passage? To the story's
credit, though, I think her complaint about Scrooge's "ungentlemanliness"
was an understandable emotion, having been assaulted and imprisoned by a
guest in her own home.
"The Sweater Swindle" was much less remarkable. Scrooge may pay his nephews
a mere 30 cents an hour, but somehow his taking advantage of Grandma in this
story seemed a bit too Glomgoldish even for him.
"Outfoxed Fox" was a Barks story I've seen before. While a better choice
than "Back to Long Ago," the previous reprint date (1989) seems a little too
recent.
WDC 626
"A Real Gone Guy." The "invisible paint" gag is nothing new, but William Van
Horn adds some new twists to it. I liked Gyro's confrontation with the
general, reminding me of another story involving a military top-secret
weapons mix-up, Barks' "Have Gun Will Dance." The story seemed to lack a
conclusive ending, though. I think it would have been interesting to see
another 5 or so pages showing Donald's subsequent conflicts with the
butterflies.
"Off on a Comet" was a nice bit of extra-terrestrial slapstick. David
Gerstein has been rightfully praised for his Mickey work, but to me Byron
Erickson's tales have always seemed more surreal. (Comment: I never knew
Goofy was such a conspiracy theory fan.) Noel Van Horn's artwork, while not
as polished as Ferioli's, is expressive and fluid.
"Camera Crazy" was rather simple as Barks stories go, but it was an
enjoyable "throwback." Congratulations to Gladstone for printing a REALLY
early Barks story which hasn't recently seen print!
"Lambert the Sheepish Lion." Is Bruce Hamilton peddling the original art to
this?
The early Mickey strips, though badly dated in context of story and art,
were nevertheless an intriguing peek at antediluvian Disneyana. No comment
beyond that, really.
"One of Our Dinosaurs is Missing," a VERY direct contrast to the previous
piece, was better than "Hole-in-the-Wall at Hoodooyadoo". Ferioli's art was
great, especially in the last panel, which looked like one of the better
artistic moments of DUCKTALES. Is Ferioli also an animation artist?
"The Lost Fawn." See my comment on "Lambert the Sheepish Lion." I'm glad
that Gladstone is tapping into the early 1970s Gold Key era, though. (When
will they get to Moby Duck? ;-) ;-) ;-)
***END SPOILERS***
--Jonathan Markoff (A recent kind of graduate myself...)
"Oh no, that's not one of our sisters. They learn much better style than
that in their judo classes."
--Don Rosa, "The Last Lords of El Dorado"
Paolo Castagno
Junior Woodchucks
Message 85 -
1998-06-14 at 19:23:45
Hello,
FRANCOIS:
>Concerning the Junior Woodchucks, another source
>of stories is the 4 pages Italian productions published
>in the "Manuale delle G. Marmotte" by Carpi and others.
>Maybe an Italian could tell more about their contents.
What do you mean? I have the Manuali, but there are just
illustrations by G.B. Carpi, in all the pages of the manual,
so I don't understand the "4 pages" you're talking about.
In the 70ties there was a special publication send only to the
affilated at the GM Club, it was called "Il club delle Giovani
Marmotte" (The Junior Woodchucks club) and were published 74
numbers of them from 1-apr-1976 to june 1982, with 32 pages each.
I don't have any of them, so I can't tell you anything else.
>It's "Le Giovani Marmotte -- Le stazione spaziale" (?) in
>GM #10, 10-95, by Romano Scarpa (art or pencil) & Francois
>Corteggiani (writing); appearing characters: JW,HDL,
>BB,Newton,GY. Published in JM 2353 as "Les Castors Juniors
>Op=E9ration Bay-ran", 13 pages in 4-tier format.
Is it a NEW story from Scarpa or a reprint?
Maybe I'm missing something good in not buying GM???
>They people at "Picsou" are also wondering what they're
>going to do with $crooge's money bin. They can't keep
>the usual "F" sign now that Euro will be the official
>money. So, two solutions: a big "E" (or a cursive "E"?)
> or the $ dollar symbol. This is the same problem in
>Netherlands, Germany etc.
That's really a thing that I don't like: why in the world
US shouldn't have dollars in his money bin??? His first dime is
from USA, he built his fortune mainly in the USA, they ARE from
the USA... so that's an occasion to put back the dollar symbol!
Ciao,
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
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FRANCOIS:
>Concerning the Junior Woodchucks, another source
>of stories is the 4 pages Italian productions published
>in the "Manuale delle G. Marmotte" by Carpi and others.
>Maybe an Italian could tell more about their contents.
What do you mean? I have the Manuali, but there are just
illustrations by G.B. Carpi, in all the pages of the manual,
so I don't understand the "4 pages" you're talking about.
In the 70ties there was a special publication send only to the
affilated at the GM Club, it was called "Il club delle Giovani
Marmotte" (The Junior Woodchucks club) and were published 74
numbers of them from 1-apr-1976 to june 1982, with 32 pages each.
I don't have any of them, so I can't tell you anything else.
>It's "Le Giovani Marmotte -- Le stazione spaziale" (?) in
>GM #10, 10-95, by Romano Scarpa (art or pencil) & Francois
>Corteggiani (writing); appearing characters: JW,HDL,
>BB,Newton,GY. Published in JM 2353 as "Les Castors Juniors
>Op=E9ration Bay-ran", 13 pages in 4-tier format.
Is it a NEW story from Scarpa or a reprint?
Maybe I'm missing something good in not buying GM???
>They people at "Picsou" are also wondering what they're
>going to do with $crooge's money bin. They can't keep
>the usual "F" sign now that Euro will be the official
>money. So, two solutions: a big "E" (or a cursive "E"?)
> or the $ dollar symbol. This is the same problem in
>Netherlands, Germany etc.
That's really a thing that I don't like: why in the world
US shouldn't have dollars in his money bin??? His first dime is
from USA, he built his fortune mainly in the USA, they ARE from
the USA... so that's an occasion to put back the dollar symbol!
Ciao,
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #144
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Cebarat
Disney comics Digest V98 #143
Message 86 -
1998-06-14 at 20:25:48
KATIE SULLIVAN:
<<Regarding the debate about firearms in Disney comics...
I just wish Disney would pick a policy and stick to it.>>
Here's the most logical policy imaginable: only VILLAINS may be shown with
guns.
This policy would allow legitimate tension and menace to be introduced into
the conflicts between heroes and villains, avoiding the sort of finger-
pointing inanity seen in the "James gang" sequence of LO$ and such stories as
"The Jack in the Box Plots." For the benefit of gun-loathers, it would also
stigmatize the use of guns.
I don't know, perhaps this suggested policy is too simplistic. But anything
is preferable to on/off censorship.
Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
<<Regarding the debate about firearms in Disney comics...
I just wish Disney would pick a policy and stick to it.>>
Here's the most logical policy imaginable: only VILLAINS may be shown with
guns.
This policy would allow legitimate tension and menace to be introduced into
the conflicts between heroes and villains, avoiding the sort of finger-
pointing inanity seen in the "James gang" sequence of LO$ and such stories as
"The Jack in the Box Plots." For the benefit of gun-loathers, it would also
stigmatize the use of guns.
I don't know, perhaps this suggested policy is too simplistic. But anything
is preferable to on/off censorship.
Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
Luca Boschi
Junior Woodchucks
Message 87 -
1998-06-14 at 21:24:19
Hi, Rich Bellacera and Luna (and all)!
>
> I'm curious if any of the girl scouts have recurring
> roles and if you can tell me anything about the three characters
> I have posted (...)
> These girls do not appear in any of the stories I have
> There also appears to be a woman named "Ginny". Are you
> familiar with either of these characters?
Not so much. I think GM is not interestig for... how to say... average
readership, and I read it only sometimes (one or two times!).
Indeed, they all are new characters, only occasionally related with
the ond, unnamed ones.
Paolo adds (and I confirm) that:
... in the Manuali there are just
illustrations by G.B. Carpi (and others). And I also don't understand
the "4 pages" you're talking about.
In the 70es there was this special publication sent only to the
affilated at the GM Club, it was called "Il club delle Giovani
Marmotte", it was very badly written and drawn, a sort of insult for
tge Barks' creations.
I also don't have any of them, and I am PROUD to have not 'em, since I
like *well done* Disney stories.
>They people at "Picsou" are also wondering what they're
>going to do with $crooge's money bin.
>That's really a thing that I don't like: why in the world
>US shouldn't have dollars in his money bin??? His first dime is
>from USA... so that's an occasion to put back the dollar symbol!
For me also, so must be!
Bye!
Luca
>
> I'm curious if any of the girl scouts have recurring
> roles and if you can tell me anything about the three characters
> I have posted (...)
> These girls do not appear in any of the stories I have
> There also appears to be a woman named "Ginny". Are you
> familiar with either of these characters?
Not so much. I think GM is not interestig for... how to say... average
readership, and I read it only sometimes (one or two times!).
Indeed, they all are new characters, only occasionally related with
the ond, unnamed ones.
Paolo adds (and I confirm) that:
... in the Manuali there are just
illustrations by G.B. Carpi (and others). And I also don't understand
the "4 pages" you're talking about.
In the 70es there was this special publication sent only to the
affilated at the GM Club, it was called "Il club delle Giovani
Marmotte", it was very badly written and drawn, a sort of insult for
tge Barks' creations.
I also don't have any of them, and I am PROUD to have not 'em, since I
like *well done* Disney stories.
>They people at "Picsou" are also wondering what they're
>going to do with $crooge's money bin.
>That's really a thing that I don't like: why in the world
>US shouldn't have dollars in his money bin??? His first dime is
>from USA... so that's an occasion to put back the dollar symbol!
For me also, so must be!
Bye!
Luca
Matthew R. Sommer
Watch Gag
Message 88 -
1998-06-14 at 22:34:43
Stefan--
you said:
>I wasn't sure what the sound was, and all I
>could think of was the watch. And as I couldn't understand why it was
>supposed to go ZEE ZEE, I just decided to put in a more normal watch
sound.
>Forgive my density, but like a few others on this list, I'm still in
the
>dark as to what the original gag is.
I haven't read the story yet, but from Don's descriptions, this gag is a
reference to Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olson. Jimmy had a signal watch with
which he could send out a signal for Superman to hear (which is the ZEE
ZEEE sound).
you said:
>I wasn't sure what the sound was, and all I
>could think of was the watch. And as I couldn't understand why it was
>supposed to go ZEE ZEE, I just decided to put in a more normal watch
sound.
>Forgive my density, but like a few others on this list, I'm still in
the
>dark as to what the original gag is.
I haven't read the story yet, but from Don's descriptions, this gag is a
reference to Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olson. Jimmy had a signal watch with
which he could send out a signal for Superman to hear (which is the ZEE
ZEEE sound).
RobertK168
"Distelfink" Alterations?
Message 89 -
1998-06-15 at 00:02:07
Garbageman said,
<<Moving on, I must say that after the dissapointing alterations to last
issue's "Triple Distelfink" story......>> (U$ 310)
So what did they change this time???
--Bob Kass
<<Moving on, I must say that after the dissapointing alterations to last
issue's "Triple Distelfink" story......>> (U$ 310)
So what did they change this time???
--Bob Kass
Marco Barlotti
GM - time for an enhancement of the Italian index...
Message 90 -
1998-06-15 at 00:03:47
PAOLO CASTAGNO (to FRANCOIS):
>What do you mean? I have the Manuali, but there are just
>illustrations by G.B. Carpi, in all the pages of the manual,
>so I don't understand the "4 pages" you're talking about.
>In the 70ties there was a special publication send only to the
>affilated at the GM Club, it was called "Il club delle Giovani
>Marmotte" (The Junior Woodchucks club) and were published 74
>numbers of them from 1-apr-1976 to june 1982, with 32 pages each.
>I don't have any of them, so I can't tell you anything else.
I don't have these either, but I do have Franco Fossati's index of Italian
Disney stories up to 1982...
So: there exist *37* four-pagers which appeared on the "Club delle Giovani
Marmotte" journal in 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979 and 1982. 27 of these were
reprinted in a volume "Noi Giovani Marmotte" which appeared in 1981.
The complete list of titles will appear soon (tomorrow?) on
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex/CGM.html
Since ALL of these stories, according to Fossati, were drawn by Franco
Lostaffa, I think we have lost NOTHING by not having seen them...
FW>It's "Le Giovani Marmotte -- Le stazione spaziale" (?) in
FW>GM #10, 10-95, by Romano Scarpa (art or pencil) & Francois
FW>Corteggiani (writing)
>
PC>Is it a NEW story from Scarpa or a reprint?
PC>Maybe I'm missing something good in not buying GM???
>
Well... it depends of course on your definition of GOOD...!
The recent work of Scarpa is not IMHO as good as his earliest (1954-1962).
This story in itself however is somehow PECULIAR in that it was drawn by
Scarpa for the "Giovani Marmotte" comic book (so it is NOT a reprint!), and
it was even INKED by Scarpa itself which in 1995 was NOT very common...
If you collect Scarpa's Disney work, this is certainly a MUST...
I see now that even the "Giovani Marmotte" stories are missing from my
index. I think this is the next improvement to be made. Stay tuned, and I
hope to be soon able to announce a new GM.html file...
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex
>What do you mean? I have the Manuali, but there are just
>illustrations by G.B. Carpi, in all the pages of the manual,
>so I don't understand the "4 pages" you're talking about.
>In the 70ties there was a special publication send only to the
>affilated at the GM Club, it was called "Il club delle Giovani
>Marmotte" (The Junior Woodchucks club) and were published 74
>numbers of them from 1-apr-1976 to june 1982, with 32 pages each.
>I don't have any of them, so I can't tell you anything else.
I don't have these either, but I do have Franco Fossati's index of Italian
Disney stories up to 1982...
So: there exist *37* four-pagers which appeared on the "Club delle Giovani
Marmotte" journal in 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979 and 1982. 27 of these were
reprinted in a volume "Noi Giovani Marmotte" which appeared in 1981.
The complete list of titles will appear soon (tomorrow?) on
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex/CGM.html
Since ALL of these stories, according to Fossati, were drawn by Franco
Lostaffa, I think we have lost NOTHING by not having seen them...
FW>It's "Le Giovani Marmotte -- Le stazione spaziale" (?) in
FW>GM #10, 10-95, by Romano Scarpa (art or pencil) & Francois
FW>Corteggiani (writing)
>
PC>Is it a NEW story from Scarpa or a reprint?
PC>Maybe I'm missing something good in not buying GM???
>
Well... it depends of course on your definition of GOOD...!
The recent work of Scarpa is not IMHO as good as his earliest (1954-1962).
This story in itself however is somehow PECULIAR in that it was drawn by
Scarpa for the "Giovani Marmotte" comic book (so it is NOT a reprint!), and
it was even INKED by Scarpa itself which in 1995 was NOT very common...
If you collect Scarpa's Disney work, this is certainly a MUST...
I see now that even the "Giovani Marmotte" stories are missing from my
index. I think this is the next improvement to be made. Stay tuned, and I
hope to be soon able to announce a new GM.html file...
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex