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ANDREA:

>> Now, some Italian GM stories have been published in the Journal de
>> Mickey, including a recent one by Scarpa a few weeks ago. Until now,
>> I though that Alvin and Chuck were Italian creations!
>>=20
>If You could tell the story code this will be helpful to find more
>information on this story

It's "Le Giovani Marmotte -- Le stazione spaziale" (?) in GM #10, 10-95=
,
by Romano Scarpa (art or pencil) & Francois Corteggiani (writing);
appearing characters: JW,HDL,BB,Newton,GY. Published in JM 2353 as "Les
Castors Juniors Op=E9ration Bay-ran", 13 pages in 4-tier format.

DANIEL:

(About "Old California")
>I've looked it up and it does indeed look strange, are there other
>cases like this in Barks' stories? The only reason I can think of now
>is that he needed the room and that the same panel-construction with
>normal borders wouldn't have given both panels enough room to do their
>show without looking cramped in their internal composition?

It seems a good guess... Another reason I can think of is that the last
panel was added at the last minute. The splash panel was supposed to be
the last one, but before that Barks added a gag for some mysterious
reason.

This is, of course, pure speculation!

By the way, the last "Picsou" issue reprints all the Barks & Hannah
sketchs made for "Madam XX" (the never-produced cartoon with Donald and
a spy) from the hardcover CBL.

They people at "Picsou" are also wondering what they're going to do wit=
h
$crooge's money bin. They can't keep the usual "F" sign now that Euro
will be the official money. So, two solutions: a big "E" (or a cursive
"E"?) or the $ dollar symbol. This is the same problem in Netherlands,
Germany etc.

Francois

Actually I know the Diney Store a giant 2-floor (?) shop near Piccadilly
Circus
(Gosh I do NOT remebre the street'name, but is quite a big one with a
Record store in the corner)
Andrea

Greetings Luca-

Thank you for responding

>> 1. Does anyone (beside me) even collect the older Gold Key series?
>
>I have a lot of 'em.

Currently I'm only missing issues #3, 4, 9, 13, 14, 17, 19, 22, 25, 37, 39,
43, 70,
and 75 out of the 81 issue run. I also have the 4 issue mini-series "Junior
Woodchucks" published during Disney's own tenure.

>> 3. Does anyone know what story(s) from the old Dell and Gold Key comics
>>(not
>> just "Junior Woodchucks") that the characters "Alvin" (a little
>>bird-like boy)
>
>I'll look for it as soon as possible. I think he was called in two
>different ways (at least in the Italian translation). I remember to
>have seen it drawn by Kay Wright or/and John Carey...

I am aware of a tale where a similar looking character is called "Calvin"
(KJW014-1/S87094) "The Spirit of Chief Firebird" (JW #2 -Disney). Otherwise
the one called "Alvin" in "Giovani Marmotte" is very similar to a little
bird-like
boy who appeared frequently but wasn't usually named.

BTW, I sent a second message to the List about 10 minutes after the first
one, but
apparently it didn't make it to #141, but will probably appear as the first one
for today's (#142).

Anyhow here's the content of that post just in case you see this e-mail before
the next issue of the List:

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Something I just realized might not have been clear in my previous request.
Characters that *look* like Alvin and Lardy appeared regulary in JW tales,
but the instances I am seeking are when these characters are specifically
called by name (it is a very rare event in JW lore for other Woodchucks to
actually be given a name). Chuck should be a little easier to locate since
his physical appearance is rather distinctive.

For help I've posted images of the Woodchucks:
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/woodchucks.gif

However, these are based on their appearance in "Giovani Marmotti" so they
will look only slightly different in their original appearances.
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Since I have most of the JW issues as well, and I've seen Alvin-like and
Lardy-like characters, I can't find the tales I know I've read. I am missing
a few issues of JW, and I should probably go back through the one I do
have to scan for the names again. The problem however is that JW tales
appear in DD, U$, WDC&S, MM, Goofy and so many other titles it's nearly
impossible to find the ones I'm seeking... which is why I hoped it would
spark a memory in someone on the list. This info may have been covered
in the very first issue of Giovani Marmotte in Italy where the editors *may*
have explained why they chose the specific characters they use, but I don't
own that issue.

>> "Chuck" (a little dognose boy) and chubby little pig-like boy, possibly
>> named "Lardy" appeared?
>
>No. His name was "created" in Italy, maybe by Elisa Penna. It is an
>evolution of the old HD&L friend who was introduced in some Barks'
>tenpagers (before the JW's creation).

Which one? Lardy (Lardello) or "Chuck"? Which little boy is this character
based on? I know of two friends of HD&L from the 50s, Herbert and Hunky
[you might be interested in my own webpage where I am attempting to
document:
http:www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/herbert.html
http:www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/hunky.html

>> and Gyro's nephew, "Newton" *appear* to be regulars along with HD&L,
>> General Snozzie (the official mascot)
>
>This one is not the same character created by Barks. It's a new
>elaboration of it. Its italian name is Lapo.

Can you tell me more? I am aware of Bolivar, Pluto and Snozzie as the
Official
Mascot of the Junior Woodchucks, and I could not find a name for the new dog,
and since he has the same *well-worn* look as Snozzie I just assumed Lapo and
Snozzie were the same. Are you sure "Lapo" is not just an "Italianization" of
Snozzie?

>, and a "Launchpad-like" leader simply called
>> General [Bertie], in the Italian series (GM).
>>
>> while I know I've seen pig boys in JW
>> tales, they
>> may have simply been used generically.
>
>Right.

So would you say that "Lardy" is a character created for GM, possibly having
it's roots in the realization that there has always been a pigboy in most
of the
Woodchuck stories.

Thanks again for your help.

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html

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Regarding the debate about firearms in Disney comics...

I brought up the guns that Mickey had in the 1930 comic reprinted in the lastest WDC&S. Yesterday I was lovingly
perusing my collection of 1980's Disney comics, and I took time to look over "Son of the Sun" again. Something in
Disney's policy about guns "on camera" in comics must have changed since then, because on the plane Flintheart
points a gun point-blank into Donald's face, (and numerous other examples). Yet it all comes back to the infamous
censoring in Lo$ where Scrooge's beak had to be redrawn so the James gang could point *fingers*, not guns, in his
face. In "Son of the Sun" Flinty being armed added a whole 'nother layer of tension and danger, and I personally
had absolutely no problem with it whatsoever. Plus, it fit the character. I suppose I can see that in Lo$, the
plot of the whole comic didn't hinge on the James gang having guns, but *still*... Oh well, I'm rambling
incessantly about this, I suppose. I just wish Disney would pick a policy and stick to it. I imagine that those of
you who write and/or draw for the comics having a difficult time wondering where to draw the line, since that line
is constantly re-drawn. Or perhaps you just forge ahead and worry about censorship later if it comes to that. I
guess I would do the latter.

Oh, one more thing... I was at my local Disney Store this afternoon, and I got a new set of Daisy and Donald plush
toys, using some $$$ I got for graduation. They're very cute! It always bugs me to see how little Scrooge
merchandise there is. Except for a rare glimpse of a "Mickey's Christmas Carol" video or an ever rarer DuckTales
mention, our favorite little gazillionaire is totally ignored! :-( I think I should write a stern letter to
Michael Eisner about that... ;-)

Katie Q

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Hi ,
I just read the German Version of "Last Lords of El Dorado" and it was
great.
I found a tiny fact telling Donalds weight. It is on page 12 panel 7. In the
calculation H. D. L.
are doing it says that Donalds weights 23 kg. I wonder if this fact was
already included by Don Rosa ( Don ??) or by the German translator??

Greetings Dominik

Visit the Don Rosa Comicindex Page at
http://Comicindex.home.pages.de
-Member of the great D.U.C.K. hunt Page-

Hi, Rich!

> I am aware of a tale where a similar looking character is called "Calvin"
> (KJW014-1/S87094) "The Spirit of Chief Firebird" (JW #2 -Disney). Otherwise
> the one called "Alvin" in "Giovani Marmotte" is very similar to a little
> bird-like
> boy who appeared frequently but wasn't usually named.

He is an evolution of Calvin, yes.

> This info may have been covered
> in the very first issue of Giovani Marmotte in Italy where the editors *may*
> have explained why they chose the specific characters they use

Well, I can tell you that they didn't explain anything...

> Which one? Lardy (Lardello) or "Chuck"? Which little boy is this character
> based on? I know of two friends of HD&L from the 50s, Herbert and Hunky

Maybe he is a "distillation" of both, plus something more.

> >This one is not the same character created by Barks. It's a new
> >elaboration of it. Its italian name is Lapo.
>
> Can you tell me more? I am aware of Bolivar, Pluto and Snozzie as the
> Official
> Mascot of the Junior Woodchucks, and I could not find a name for the new dog,
> and since he has the same *well-worn* look as Snozzie

You're right. Italian guys are reinterpretating old characters
"creating" new ones (a little bit likein the USA they do for TV
serials like "Duck Tales" or "Goof Troop", where Pete or Max were new
characters). The team of story-men/artists who worked on this project
has also names: Roberto Santillo, Alessandro Sisti, Claudio Sciarrone
(and other guys of Accademia Disney). I've seen lots of model sheets
and preliminary drawings about.

> Are you sure "Lapo" is not just an "Italianization" of
> Snozzie?

Sure! In old Barks stories Snozzie was called differently (only
"Segugio" or so). "Lapo" is an italian name no more used. It comes frm
the Middle Age, it was diffonded when Dante Alighieri lived.

> So would you say that "Lardy" is a character created for GM, possibly having
> it's roots in the realization that there has always been a pigboy in most
> of the
> Woodchuck stories.

So it is!

Ciao!

KATIE SULLIVAN (re "Last Lord of El Dorado"):

****SPOILERS****

<<...the twists and turns and technicalities that Rosa does so well were
done masterfully here. The legal loopholes pulled in the last few pages are
mind-boggling but hilarious.>>

Agreed, but I do feel that there was an excess of flashback/explanation,
which made the narrative feel a bit choppy. It was the kind of story in
which an immediate second reading is almost an imperative, in order to make
sure that everything in the narrative is clear...

<<When Scrooge told Donald he sounded like "a recap caption in some silly
comic book" I was laughing so hard my family thought I had taken all leave
of my senses!>>

When I read that passage, I read the panels of Donald-explanation and said,
"Hmm -- why such an obvious bit of explication with Donald sounding like a
tourguide?" This gag and Donald's later muttering about a "Woodchuck
lecture" suggested to me that Don was fully aware of the top-heavy amount
of background material that had to be gotten across and decided to mine
some humor out of it.

<<...I really don't like the second-to-last panel where Flinty is so mad
that steam is coming from his nostrils.>>

The DUCKTALES Glomgold would have snarled, "OOOOOOOOhhhh... Darn me
argyles!" ;-)

<<I also enjoyed "The Black Widow". For one thing, it played into my
obsession with Scrooge's romances ;-) It also showed Donald and the kids
being strong and resourceful characters. Almost so much so that they made
Scrooge look weak. Stilll, nice tension and storyline.>>

Two complaints about this story. First, "Mrs. Williams" and "Aggie" were
dull-as-ditchwater "guest names". What happened to those Barksian, Van
Hornesque, and Rosa-crucian names that we all love so much? Second, I was
not wholly convinced by Mrs. Williams' explosion of temper over Scrooge
"not being a gentleman". If she's that flighty, I'd suggest that Scrooge
refrain from doing business with her.

-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm