Bob Kass:
> <<Moving on, I must say that after the dissapointing alterations to last
> issue's "Triple Distelfink" story......>> (U$ 310)
>
> So what did they change this time???
Please read the digests of the past month again. We have been discussing
this story at large.
--Harry.
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/
Author
Topic: 199806
(174 messages)
Fluks, H.W.
"Distelfink" Alterations?
Message 91 -
1998-06-15 at 13:49:08
Fluks, H.W.
Junior Woodchucks
Message 92 -
1998-06-15 at 13:58:17
Paolo wrote:
>why in the world
>Uncle Scrooge shouldn't have dollars in his money bin??? His first dime is
>from USA... so that's an occasion to put back the dollar symbol!
That's the *Italian* view (and, obviously, the USA view) on Duckburg. In
other countries, it is not quite clear in which country Duckburg
(Duckstad, Entenhausen, etc.) is. The Dutch Scrooge has guilders in his
bin, the German Scrooge has Taler. Stories where actual names of
countries and mentioned are very rare.
--Harry.
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/
>why in the world
>Uncle Scrooge shouldn't have dollars in his money bin??? His first dime is
>from USA... so that's an occasion to put back the dollar symbol!
That's the *Italian* view (and, obviously, the USA view) on Duckburg. In
other countries, it is not quite clear in which country Duckburg
(Duckstad, Entenhausen, etc.) is. The Dutch Scrooge has guilders in his
bin, the German Scrooge has Taler. Stories where actual names of
countries and mentioned are very rare.
--Harry.
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/
Gaute Kongsnes
LONDON NC ALPACA
Message 93 -
1998-06-15 at 14:44:41
>
> A better shop (because it's smaller, more friendly and less 'fan'
> focused) is the shop opposite the British Museum called 'Gosh!'. Again,
> this is US-type comic shop, but it does have some Gladstone stuff in
> it's back-issue section. I managed to get US 219 (or whatever the first
> Rosa one was) in here about a year ago for =A31 (1 GBP, about $1.60) so
> they price stuff quite reasonably! They also do the Albums, as does
> Comic Showcase which is in Neal Street.
>
LONDON
I just want to add my recommendation of this store. In 1989, after a vivit
to the British museum I stumbled over this one. I had stopped buying Disney
comics and only wanted to complete my Carl Barks collection and bought
Volume III of the CBL here, my first one. I also noticed some odd looking
american comics that I picked up just for fun. Among them was USA 5 with
Last sled to Dawson by Rosa. Lightning struck and the rest is..ehm..
history. So whoever is going, give my regards.
NOVEMBER CHARLIE
I have just returned from Peru and wanted to reread stories dealing with
the Incas. I pulled out the book in CBL with US 26. There I noticed an
interesting detail on the inside front cover in the painting of the Flying
Dutchman. The flags the ducks are flying is the signal letters N(ovember)
& C(harlie). Beeing a mate I immediately recogniced the signal for
distress. Another excample of the wonderful details CB put in his work.
LAMA VS. ALPACA
In Peru people insisted on calling the Lama for Alpaca(silly buggers). In
my enclyclopedia the Alpaca is stated as beeing black or white, with long
wool. The question is: Is the Lama in Rosas Eldorado story really an
alpaca?
> A better shop (because it's smaller, more friendly and less 'fan'
> focused) is the shop opposite the British Museum called 'Gosh!'. Again,
> this is US-type comic shop, but it does have some Gladstone stuff in
> it's back-issue section. I managed to get US 219 (or whatever the first
> Rosa one was) in here about a year ago for =A31 (1 GBP, about $1.60) so
> they price stuff quite reasonably! They also do the Albums, as does
> Comic Showcase which is in Neal Street.
>
LONDON
I just want to add my recommendation of this store. In 1989, after a vivit
to the British museum I stumbled over this one. I had stopped buying Disney
comics and only wanted to complete my Carl Barks collection and bought
Volume III of the CBL here, my first one. I also noticed some odd looking
american comics that I picked up just for fun. Among them was USA 5 with
Last sled to Dawson by Rosa. Lightning struck and the rest is..ehm..
history. So whoever is going, give my regards.
NOVEMBER CHARLIE
I have just returned from Peru and wanted to reread stories dealing with
the Incas. I pulled out the book in CBL with US 26. There I noticed an
interesting detail on the inside front cover in the painting of the Flying
Dutchman. The flags the ducks are flying is the signal letters N(ovember)
& C(harlie). Beeing a mate I immediately recogniced the signal for
distress. Another excample of the wonderful details CB put in his work.
LAMA VS. ALPACA
In Peru people insisted on calling the Lama for Alpaca(silly buggers). In
my enclyclopedia the Alpaca is stated as beeing black or white, with long
wool. The question is: Is the Lama in Rosas Eldorado story really an
alpaca?
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 94 -
1998-06-15 at 19:20:41
KATIE SULLIVAN --
One should think less in terms of Disney's "policy" about
censoring certain things, than of individuals occupying the
position of censor, who bring their own foibles and whims into
the process. We've seen a fairly prominent incident recently, of
guns not being allowed to be pointed at someone; therefore, we
discuss the fine points of Disney's policy as regards guns being
pointed.
But suppose the reason that particular thing was rejected
was because the person reviewing it felt a need to show he was
doing his job properly, by finding things that had to be changed.
Or was angry because his kids had just broken a treasured vase,
while chasing one another around the house with toy guns.
From outside, it may seem that there is a Disney "policy"
on gun pointing, which we may parse and come to an understanding
about, and call for consistency regarding -- whereas in reality
there's nobody reviewing the stuff except fallible, inconsistent
human beings.
I used to deal with the U.S. Postal Service in ways that
tested the boundaries of their regulations -- I'd mail things
where the number of copies and type of binding determine which
of several printed-matter rates the item was eligible for. Often,
interpretations of the rules were called for -- and if I didn't
like the way a clerk interpreted them, I'd simply take the stuff
to a different post office and try my luck with another.
In other words, it's likely that the same story, reviewed
at different times, would be marked up completely differently.
So yes, to try to write and/or draw to the censors' specifications
is simply wasted effort -- the only thing to do is, as you say,
forge ahead. You can NEVER predict what they'll find offensive,
and trying to will only hamper your effort to tell a good story.
It was about 1982, when Gold Key/Whitman was winding down
and we were biting our nails in suspense, wondering whether or
not Walt Disney's Comics & Stories would make it to its 500th
issue, that I did inventory and realized I had almost 2/3 of the
issues. It was at that point that I decided to go for completion,
tho previously, I'd pretty much ignored issues in the 3- and
400s. I've since filled in a lot, and now stand at about 89%. At
my present rate of acquisition, I expect to complete the
collection by the time I'm a little over 140 years old -- but of
course, the rate slows down as the targets diminish... (Also of
course, the numbers are illusory -- I'm solid in the 1950s, when
they were printing millions, but am missing many from when they
became scarcer. Also, a majority of the issues I don't have are
1- and 2-digit ones, which seldom turn up in my price range.)
TO ALL WHO DON'T KNOW WHY A WATCH SHOULD GO ZEEE ZEEE ZEEE --
Forget it. It's too obscure to worry about. There may not
be a single reader in Europe who would get the reference.
Americans who read a lot of comics in the 1950s and '60s
will recall that Superman's pal, Jimmy Olsen, had a special
watch that would send an ultrasonic signal to Superman whenever
Jimmy got into trouble, and "Zeee zeee zeee" was how that signal
was rendered on the page. As an American who read a lot of comics
in the 1950s and '60s, I immediately recognized the character
with the watch as a dog-nosed version of Jimmy Olsen, and
therefore would have laughed out loud if the watch had made that
sound -- but I know darn well I'd have been practically alone.
I think this is possibly a case in which in-jokes go too
far. The best of them will be spotted by those they're aimed at,
while others won't even realize anything was there. In this one,
tho, the sound is just too weird -- anybody who doesn't get it
will see that there's a joke that he's not getting, and therefore
will be annoyed. So personally, I think normalizing the sound
was the right thing to do.
Seeing it mentioned here is the best way to go -- I get
to see the joke, while those who simply read the story don't
have to puzzle over it.
Quack, Don=
One should think less in terms of Disney's "policy" about
censoring certain things, than of individuals occupying the
position of censor, who bring their own foibles and whims into
the process. We've seen a fairly prominent incident recently, of
guns not being allowed to be pointed at someone; therefore, we
discuss the fine points of Disney's policy as regards guns being
pointed.
But suppose the reason that particular thing was rejected
was because the person reviewing it felt a need to show he was
doing his job properly, by finding things that had to be changed.
Or was angry because his kids had just broken a treasured vase,
while chasing one another around the house with toy guns.
From outside, it may seem that there is a Disney "policy"
on gun pointing, which we may parse and come to an understanding
about, and call for consistency regarding -- whereas in reality
there's nobody reviewing the stuff except fallible, inconsistent
human beings.
I used to deal with the U.S. Postal Service in ways that
tested the boundaries of their regulations -- I'd mail things
where the number of copies and type of binding determine which
of several printed-matter rates the item was eligible for. Often,
interpretations of the rules were called for -- and if I didn't
like the way a clerk interpreted them, I'd simply take the stuff
to a different post office and try my luck with another.
In other words, it's likely that the same story, reviewed
at different times, would be marked up completely differently.
So yes, to try to write and/or draw to the censors' specifications
is simply wasted effort -- the only thing to do is, as you say,
forge ahead. You can NEVER predict what they'll find offensive,
and trying to will only hamper your effort to tell a good story.
It was about 1982, when Gold Key/Whitman was winding down
and we were biting our nails in suspense, wondering whether or
not Walt Disney's Comics & Stories would make it to its 500th
issue, that I did inventory and realized I had almost 2/3 of the
issues. It was at that point that I decided to go for completion,
tho previously, I'd pretty much ignored issues in the 3- and
400s. I've since filled in a lot, and now stand at about 89%. At
my present rate of acquisition, I expect to complete the
collection by the time I'm a little over 140 years old -- but of
course, the rate slows down as the targets diminish... (Also of
course, the numbers are illusory -- I'm solid in the 1950s, when
they were printing millions, but am missing many from when they
became scarcer. Also, a majority of the issues I don't have are
1- and 2-digit ones, which seldom turn up in my price range.)
TO ALL WHO DON'T KNOW WHY A WATCH SHOULD GO ZEEE ZEEE ZEEE --
Forget it. It's too obscure to worry about. There may not
be a single reader in Europe who would get the reference.
Americans who read a lot of comics in the 1950s and '60s
will recall that Superman's pal, Jimmy Olsen, had a special
watch that would send an ultrasonic signal to Superman whenever
Jimmy got into trouble, and "Zeee zeee zeee" was how that signal
was rendered on the page. As an American who read a lot of comics
in the 1950s and '60s, I immediately recognized the character
with the watch as a dog-nosed version of Jimmy Olsen, and
therefore would have laughed out loud if the watch had made that
sound -- but I know darn well I'd have been practically alone.
I think this is possibly a case in which in-jokes go too
far. The best of them will be spotted by those they're aimed at,
while others won't even realize anything was there. In this one,
tho, the sound is just too weird -- anybody who doesn't get it
will see that there's a joke that he's not getting, and therefore
will be annoyed. So personally, I think normalizing the sound
was the right thing to do.
Seeing it mentioned here is the best way to go -- I get
to see the joke, while those who simply read the story don't
have to puzzle over it.
Quack, Don=
Bhc
Disney comics Digest V98 #144
Message 95 -
1998-06-15 at 21:21:42
Stefan:
The original gag on "ZEEE ZEEE"? It is the sound made by Superman's Pal,
Jimmy Olsen's, Superman Signal Watch. Back in the 1950s someone at DC,
publisher of Superman comics, thought it would be a swell idea if Daily
Planet cub reporter Jimmy Olsen, who'd become something of a youthful
sidekick to Superman, was given a handy way to get in touch with his "pal."
Superman therefore devised the signal watch, which emitted a signal
Superman could hear anywhere in the world (though not in space; the writers
and editors didn't wholly abandoned the laws of physics even in those
days). Naturally, Supes admonished Jimmy to use it only in an emergency,
since Supes was constantly busy rescuing folks from one natural disaster
after another while on his world patrols. To Jimmy's credit, he generally
stuck to that rule, but if Jimmy was in a story you could pretty much count
on him pressings the stem on his watch at some point and treating us
readers to that nifty little "ZEEE ZEEE" sound effect.
This, and your "Ni!" quandary, point up the risks writers take in using
outside references. Most of the civilized world is not up on such things,
no matter how ubiquitous they sometimes seem.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #145
******************************************
The original gag on "ZEEE ZEEE"? It is the sound made by Superman's Pal,
Jimmy Olsen's, Superman Signal Watch. Back in the 1950s someone at DC,
publisher of Superman comics, thought it would be a swell idea if Daily
Planet cub reporter Jimmy Olsen, who'd become something of a youthful
sidekick to Superman, was given a handy way to get in touch with his "pal."
Superman therefore devised the signal watch, which emitted a signal
Superman could hear anywhere in the world (though not in space; the writers
and editors didn't wholly abandoned the laws of physics even in those
days). Naturally, Supes admonished Jimmy to use it only in an emergency,
since Supes was constantly busy rescuing folks from one natural disaster
after another while on his world patrols. To Jimmy's credit, he generally
stuck to that rule, but if Jimmy was in a story you could pretty much count
on him pressings the stem on his watch at some point and treating us
readers to that nifty little "ZEEE ZEEE" sound effect.
This, and your "Ni!" quandary, point up the risks writers take in using
outside references. Most of the civilized world is not up on such things,
no matter how ubiquitous they sometimes seem.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #145
******************************************
Stefan Diös
Disney comics Digest V98 #145
Message 96 -
1998-06-15 at 23:20:18
All of you who explained why a watch would go ZEE ZEE:
You are right, of course, and thanks for helping out. Don Rosa told me
privately, and also confirmed that he deliberately made the character in
"Black Knight" look like Jimmy Olsen. So now I know a little more about
almost nothing... which I happen to love...
As many of you pointed out, it might be best not to keep the gag intact in
Europe, where most people wouldn't appreciate it. But it's still right there
in Don's script, so unless someone decides to change it along the way, it
will turn up when the story sees print in the US (or any other
English-speaking country, I guess).
By the way, Don Markstein's view on in-jokes:
> The best of them will be spotted by those they're aimed at,
> while others won't even realize anything was there.
pretty much sums up my own general opinion...
GAUTE KONGSNES:
Now I'm getting into subjects of which I'm no expert, something I told
myself never to do... but on the other hand, if I stuck to that rule, I
would have to sit quietly in my corner and listen all the time! So, here
goes nothing:
As far as I know, and can find out from here, the llama and the alpaca are
two different species. They are domesticated forms of the two wild species
of the llama family (related to camels) of South America: the guanaco and
the vicuna. (Barks readers should recognize at least the vicuna by name.)
Normally, the llama is considered to be descended from the guanaco, and the
alpaca from the vicuna. But opinions here seem to vary.
Judging from the setting not as much as from the actual depiction, I'd guess
thar Rosa's animal could be either a llama or an alpaca. Both are used
around that area, and both are hairier than the wild forms (especially the
alpaca). The alpaca, as you mention, is usually black or white, while the
llama can have almost any color.
Well, maybe not green. If it's healthy.
Keep quacking,
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
You are right, of course, and thanks for helping out. Don Rosa told me
privately, and also confirmed that he deliberately made the character in
"Black Knight" look like Jimmy Olsen. So now I know a little more about
almost nothing... which I happen to love...
As many of you pointed out, it might be best not to keep the gag intact in
Europe, where most people wouldn't appreciate it. But it's still right there
in Don's script, so unless someone decides to change it along the way, it
will turn up when the story sees print in the US (or any other
English-speaking country, I guess).
By the way, Don Markstein's view on in-jokes:
> The best of them will be spotted by those they're aimed at,
> while others won't even realize anything was there.
pretty much sums up my own general opinion...
GAUTE KONGSNES:
Now I'm getting into subjects of which I'm no expert, something I told
myself never to do... but on the other hand, if I stuck to that rule, I
would have to sit quietly in my corner and listen all the time! So, here
goes nothing:
As far as I know, and can find out from here, the llama and the alpaca are
two different species. They are domesticated forms of the two wild species
of the llama family (related to camels) of South America: the guanaco and
the vicuna. (Barks readers should recognize at least the vicuna by name.)
Normally, the llama is considered to be descended from the guanaco, and the
alpaca from the vicuna. But opinions here seem to vary.
Judging from the setting not as much as from the actual depiction, I'd guess
thar Rosa's animal could be either a llama or an alpaca. Both are used
around that area, and both are hairier than the wild forms (especially the
alpaca). The alpaca, as you mention, is usually black or white, while the
llama can have almost any color.
Well, maybe not green. If it's healthy.
Keep quacking,
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V98 #145
Message 97 -
1998-06-16 at 00:07:53
DONALD MARKSTEIN:
>>>I think this is possibly a case in which in-jokes go too far.
??? An in-side joke can't possibly go "too far". Even if I used a joke that
only 3 readers on earth would catch, the other X-million would simply read
over it without noticing, or wonder about it for an entire nanosecond before
moving on. You think it would "annoy" someone? Jeez, I hope no readers are
so touchy, but if they are, they need to relax and read something even less
agitating to them than comics. I'm working for the people who don't get
annoyed by minor gags they don't understand. And, as you suggest, the
translators can change it if they want... it's not as if I have the
slightest control over how my stories are presented.
Readers of my stories should expect to see some odd
references that they might not catch on the first reading... and good!
They'll always know that I don't treat them like morons. I'd rather be
challenged than talked-down to, and I assume they would, too, or they'd be
reading something else.
Like the research that I do on these darn stories... as in the time I was
quizing the expert in Australian aboriginal mythology, asking if this was
the exactly correct depiction of this mythological tale or if that was
exactly how that mythological being was supposed to act -- and he got sorta
puzzled and said, "maybe not, but only 2 people on earth would know!" and I
said "Yeah? So, what's your point?"
How many readers of that new "Eldorado" story would know that the bronze
plaque that Donald finds in the sunken boat is written in absolutely
authentic medieval German with correct medieval lettering and medieval
grammar? And that the seal on it is the actual seal of Der Welser Co. of
1519? Possibly only if the German-antiquities expert at the Frankfurt
university, whom I consulted repeatedly to get the plaque precisely right,
ever sees it. And even if he didn't, it wouldn't matter. I know it's correct
and it was amusing to pull it off. Perhaps I'd even be disappointed if ALL
readers understood ALL the gags or authentic details. I like to think these
stories forever have hidden secrets and are more-than-meets-the-eye... and
maybe some bits won't be spotted until they're reprinted in the year 2037.
Or not at all. As a matter of fact, I *have* put details in my story or
dialogue at times which is an in-joke that *only I myself* would understand.
And ever *that* isn't carrying it "too far" because you never even knew it
was there. In fact... hmmmm... I don't even *want* you to know it's there,
that would spoil my private amusement. Yeah.... so, forget I said that.
Never mind.
>>>I think this is possibly a case in which in-jokes go too far.
??? An in-side joke can't possibly go "too far". Even if I used a joke that
only 3 readers on earth would catch, the other X-million would simply read
over it without noticing, or wonder about it for an entire nanosecond before
moving on. You think it would "annoy" someone? Jeez, I hope no readers are
so touchy, but if they are, they need to relax and read something even less
agitating to them than comics. I'm working for the people who don't get
annoyed by minor gags they don't understand. And, as you suggest, the
translators can change it if they want... it's not as if I have the
slightest control over how my stories are presented.
Readers of my stories should expect to see some odd
references that they might not catch on the first reading... and good!
They'll always know that I don't treat them like morons. I'd rather be
challenged than talked-down to, and I assume they would, too, or they'd be
reading something else.
Like the research that I do on these darn stories... as in the time I was
quizing the expert in Australian aboriginal mythology, asking if this was
the exactly correct depiction of this mythological tale or if that was
exactly how that mythological being was supposed to act -- and he got sorta
puzzled and said, "maybe not, but only 2 people on earth would know!" and I
said "Yeah? So, what's your point?"
How many readers of that new "Eldorado" story would know that the bronze
plaque that Donald finds in the sunken boat is written in absolutely
authentic medieval German with correct medieval lettering and medieval
grammar? And that the seal on it is the actual seal of Der Welser Co. of
1519? Possibly only if the German-antiquities expert at the Frankfurt
university, whom I consulted repeatedly to get the plaque precisely right,
ever sees it. And even if he didn't, it wouldn't matter. I know it's correct
and it was amusing to pull it off. Perhaps I'd even be disappointed if ALL
readers understood ALL the gags or authentic details. I like to think these
stories forever have hidden secrets and are more-than-meets-the-eye... and
maybe some bits won't be spotted until they're reprinted in the year 2037.
Or not at all. As a matter of fact, I *have* put details in my story or
dialogue at times which is an in-joke that *only I myself* would understand.
And ever *that* isn't carrying it "too far" because you never even knew it
was there. In fact... hmmmm... I don't even *want* you to know it's there,
that would spoil my private amusement. Yeah.... so, forget I said that.
Never mind.
Katie Sullivan
Llama vs Alpaca
Message 98 -
1998-06-16 at 02:09:29
> LAMA VS. ALPACA
>
> In Peru people insisted on calling the Lama for Alpaca(silly buggers). In
> my enclyclopedia the Alpaca is stated as beeing black or white, with long
> wool. The question is: Is the Lama in Rosas Eldorado story really an
> alpaca?
Alpacas do indeed have longer, thicker wool than llamas, usually. When the Incas
domesticated wild guanacos and vicunas 4,000 years ago, they bred the alpacas for their
wool, and the llamas for their strength as beasts of burden. But both alpacas and llamas
can be black, white, brown, grey and a myriad of shades in between. Alpacas have
shorter, smallers ears, and shorter legs.
Here are some pictures:
Alpacas:
http://www.okalpaca.com/trio.JPG
http://www.alpacasite.com/lacy2.jpg
Suri Alpaca:
http://www.wave.net/upg/jvillechamber/pleasantview/newpics/leosm.jpg
Llamas:
http://www.techline.com/%7Ebobkat/images/troubles.jpg
http://www.techline.com/%7Ebobkat/images/kc2.jpg
http://www.techline.com/%7Ebobkat/images/annie.jpg
http://www.firecrackerllamasales.com/h062c.jpg
For more information, visit this very nice question and answer page at this URL:
http://personal.smartt.com/~brianp/
Your llocal llama expert...
Katie Q
>
> In Peru people insisted on calling the Lama for Alpaca(silly buggers). In
> my enclyclopedia the Alpaca is stated as beeing black or white, with long
> wool. The question is: Is the Lama in Rosas Eldorado story really an
> alpaca?
Alpacas do indeed have longer, thicker wool than llamas, usually. When the Incas
domesticated wild guanacos and vicunas 4,000 years ago, they bred the alpacas for their
wool, and the llamas for their strength as beasts of burden. But both alpacas and llamas
can be black, white, brown, grey and a myriad of shades in between. Alpacas have
shorter, smallers ears, and shorter legs.
Here are some pictures:
Alpacas:
http://www.okalpaca.com/trio.JPG
http://www.alpacasite.com/lacy2.jpg
Suri Alpaca:
http://www.wave.net/upg/jvillechamber/pleasantview/newpics/leosm.jpg
Llamas:
http://www.techline.com/%7Ebobkat/images/troubles.jpg
http://www.techline.com/%7Ebobkat/images/kc2.jpg
http://www.techline.com/%7Ebobkat/images/annie.jpg
http://www.firecrackerllamasales.com/h062c.jpg
For more information, visit this very nice question and answer page at this URL:
http://personal.smartt.com/~brianp/
Your llocal llama expert...
Katie Q
Ventnor
Collectors of British Disney: please read
Message 99 -
1998-06-16 at 11:42:05
My apologies for this off-topic posting, but I've recently been buying a lot
of old Disney comics (mostly Australian) from a guy in Perth. Anyway, he
also has a couple of British Disney comics published just after the war. The
one he showed me is dated April 5 1947. It's Mickey Mouse, and cost
threepence. I told him I'd ask the list for a rough estimate of its worth.
(An impossible question, I know, but the comic is quite well preserved.) If
anyone wishes me to make an offer for this comic on his or her behalf,
please email me. I myself have no interest in British Disney comics.
Thanks,
David King.
He also showed me a stuffed toy, the prototype Mickey Mouse. Mickey's teeth
look decidedly ratlike, which apparently didn't appeal to Disney. This isn't
for sale.
of old Disney comics (mostly Australian) from a guy in Perth. Anyway, he
also has a couple of British Disney comics published just after the war. The
one he showed me is dated April 5 1947. It's Mickey Mouse, and cost
threepence. I told him I'd ask the list for a rough estimate of its worth.
(An impossible question, I know, but the comic is quite well preserved.) If
anyone wishes me to make an offer for this comic on his or her behalf,
please email me. I myself have no interest in British Disney comics.
Thanks,
David King.
He also showed me a stuffed toy, the prototype Mickey Mouse. Mickey's teeth
look decidedly ratlike, which apparently didn't appeal to Disney. This isn't
for sale.
Marco Barlotti
New-improved version of the Italian index is on-line
Message 100 -
1998-06-16 at 12:33:52
Like I said I would do, I've put on-line a copy of Fossati's index of the
Italian stories in "Club delle Giovani Marmotte" (1976-1982).
The URL is:
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex/ClubGM.html
so it's different from the one I announced. Oh, well, for backward
compatibility ;-) I've also uploaded a copy with the "wrong" name...
The page is also linked from the main Disney Index page. By the way, I've
found that I NEVER put a link to the TopoMistery.html file on that same
directory. What a pity! It was there, and nobody could reach it... Now I've
corrected that.
Oh, and I've updated the link to Harry's page too.
Remember that the stories listed are NOT those printed in "Giovani Marmotte"
(1995-). A (partial) index of these is due... but not so soon!
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex
Italian stories in "Club delle Giovani Marmotte" (1976-1982).
The URL is:
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex/ClubGM.html
so it's different from the one I announced. Oh, well, for backward
compatibility ;-) I've also uploaded a copy with the "wrong" name...
The page is also linked from the main Disney Index page. By the way, I've
found that I NEVER put a link to the TopoMistery.html file on that same
directory. What a pity! It was there, and nobody could reach it... Now I've
corrected that.
Oh, and I've updated the link to Harry's page too.
Remember that the stories listed are NOT those printed in "Giovani Marmotte"
(1995-). A (partial) index of these is due... but not so soon!
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex
Shaun Craill
V98 #145: Use of guns.
Message 101 -
1998-06-16 at 18:13:13
Christopher E. Barat in V98 #145:
(Email removed)
>Here's the most logical policy imaginable: only VILLAINS may be shown with
>guns.
I think this is a good idea generally, but there will always be times when a
less rigid more flexible approach is required. Some years ago when I first
started doing the odd script for GPS I was told that the *policy* on guns was
basically that they were allowed to be used provided that they were only used
to menace, weren't actually pointed at anyone, and if ever fired were only
ever fired into the air to scare or threaten.
I got the impression that these were not hard and fast *rules* but were
*guidelines*. In other words each story would be evaluated on it's own
merits and a decision made. I think this is going to be the only manageable
solution in a global environment. I think it's great that some creators push
the boundaries here and there and may occasionally be pulled back. I
wouldn't like to see a rule applied to every story from on high, I'd rather
see creators given room to manoeuvre. I'd also like to see editors given the
authority to make decisions as well about what is acceptable, otherwise why
have editors at all?
This isn't to say that I wouldn't try to stick to the idea of only villains
having guns, but wouldn't it be a shame not to see stories like Carl Barks'
'Sheriff of Bullet Valley' or his story about the lost gold mines of Queen
Sheba (I forget the actual title) because the good guys in both these stories
point guns at the baddies at crucial moments. It would be ridiculous too to
have the guns replaced by pointing fingers! Common sense is all that is
needed, not unbending rules.
This does mean that from time to time the wrong decision will be made, as in
the LO$ Jesse James sequence. This may be the price we pay for having
guidelines instead of rules.
One of the other guidelines I was given was that weapons of mass destruction
were out in any form. However by using a bit of common sense, science
fictiony style ray guns are OK, and I have used 'zap' guns in a couple of
stories. It seemed to me that Don Rosa used this loophole too to create the
great visual 'mouse in the moon' gag in his 'Attack of the hideous space
varmints'. If this guideline had been applied as a rigid rule this visual
gag and important tension device in the story might not have happened. Three
cheers to those involved for looking at the overall effect and making the
right decision!
So to summarise; I say let's have guidelines, not rules or policy, and let
each story be evaluated on it's own merits.
Shaun Craill
(Email removed)
>Here's the most logical policy imaginable: only VILLAINS may be shown with
>guns.
I think this is a good idea generally, but there will always be times when a
less rigid more flexible approach is required. Some years ago when I first
started doing the odd script for GPS I was told that the *policy* on guns was
basically that they were allowed to be used provided that they were only used
to menace, weren't actually pointed at anyone, and if ever fired were only
ever fired into the air to scare or threaten.
I got the impression that these were not hard and fast *rules* but were
*guidelines*. In other words each story would be evaluated on it's own
merits and a decision made. I think this is going to be the only manageable
solution in a global environment. I think it's great that some creators push
the boundaries here and there and may occasionally be pulled back. I
wouldn't like to see a rule applied to every story from on high, I'd rather
see creators given room to manoeuvre. I'd also like to see editors given the
authority to make decisions as well about what is acceptable, otherwise why
have editors at all?
This isn't to say that I wouldn't try to stick to the idea of only villains
having guns, but wouldn't it be a shame not to see stories like Carl Barks'
'Sheriff of Bullet Valley' or his story about the lost gold mines of Queen
Sheba (I forget the actual title) because the good guys in both these stories
point guns at the baddies at crucial moments. It would be ridiculous too to
have the guns replaced by pointing fingers! Common sense is all that is
needed, not unbending rules.
This does mean that from time to time the wrong decision will be made, as in
the LO$ Jesse James sequence. This may be the price we pay for having
guidelines instead of rules.
One of the other guidelines I was given was that weapons of mass destruction
were out in any form. However by using a bit of common sense, science
fictiony style ray guns are OK, and I have used 'zap' guns in a couple of
stories. It seemed to me that Don Rosa used this loophole too to create the
great visual 'mouse in the moon' gag in his 'Attack of the hideous space
varmints'. If this guideline had been applied as a rigid rule this visual
gag and important tension device in the story might not have happened. Three
cheers to those involved for looking at the overall effect and making the
right decision!
So to summarise; I say let's have guidelines, not rules or policy, and let
each story be evaluated on it's own merits.
Shaun Craill
Bhc
Web site update
Message 102 -
1998-06-16 at 21:10:01
TO ALL:
For the past several weeks I've been neck-deep in the process of
transferring the Bruce Hamilton Company/Another Rainbow/Gladstone/Hamilton
Comics web site to a new service level and a new server. The site can now
be accessed from the address appearing in the signature below. This has
curtailed updating for the moment, and introduced some technical gaffes
(particularly with images) that I gotta get hammered out, but if all goes
according to plan, we'll be able to expand online content and services very
soon.
Gary
****************************
"It's either very new cheese or very old meat." - Oscar Madison
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com
For the past several weeks I've been neck-deep in the process of
transferring the Bruce Hamilton Company/Another Rainbow/Gladstone/Hamilton
Comics web site to a new service level and a new server. The site can now
be accessed from the address appearing in the signature below. This has
curtailed updating for the moment, and introduced some technical gaffes
(particularly with images) that I gotta get hammered out, but if all goes
according to plan, we'll be able to expand online content and services very
soon.
Gary
****************************
"It's either very new cheese or very old meat." - Oscar Madison
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com
Marco Barlotti
New characters in "Giovani Marmotte"
Message 103 -
1998-06-16 at 23:41:06
RICH wrote:
> This info may have been covered
> in the very first issue of Giovani Marmotte in Italy where the editors *may*
> have explained why they chose the specific characters they use
>
to which LUCA replied:
>Well, I can tell you that they didn't explain anything...
So did I think. But I, alas, like Luca, had NOT read but a few issues of
"Giovani Marmotte" because of their low-age target. Declared: 8 to 12 years
old... but I can assure that my 10 years old son after reading a few of
these stories just stopped; he likes much more, by and large, David
Gerstein's stories on "Mega 2000" (HE doesn't know they are by David, but I
do...) ;-) ;-)
Well, let's get back to "Giovani Marmotte". I did buy a good bunch of those
at a second-hand shop a while ago, so as I said I thought I'd just do a
good thing indexing them... And browsing through these issues... lo! on
ISSUE #8 I just found a nice description of the NEW JW characters...!
I'll try and scan these pages and put the images somehow on the web... just
give me a couple of days... But now something makes me wonder: this
introduction was on issue #8; I don't have issue #9, so THERE IS A CHANCE
that in issue #9 there is also an introduction to the GE (Junior Chickadees
or whatstheirname). So:
DOES ANYBODY ON THIS ML HAVE A COPY OF ISSUE #9 ???
Enough for now...
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #146
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> This info may have been covered
> in the very first issue of Giovani Marmotte in Italy where the editors *may*
> have explained why they chose the specific characters they use
>
to which LUCA replied:
>Well, I can tell you that they didn't explain anything...
So did I think. But I, alas, like Luca, had NOT read but a few issues of
"Giovani Marmotte" because of their low-age target. Declared: 8 to 12 years
old... but I can assure that my 10 years old son after reading a few of
these stories just stopped; he likes much more, by and large, David
Gerstein's stories on "Mega 2000" (HE doesn't know they are by David, but I
do...) ;-) ;-)
Well, let's get back to "Giovani Marmotte". I did buy a good bunch of those
at a second-hand shop a while ago, so as I said I thought I'd just do a
good thing indexing them... And browsing through these issues... lo! on
ISSUE #8 I just found a nice description of the NEW JW characters...!
I'll try and scan these pages and put the images somehow on the web... just
give me a couple of days... But now something makes me wonder: this
introduction was on issue #8; I don't have issue #9, so THERE IS A CHANCE
that in issue #9 there is also an introduction to the GE (Junior Chickadees
or whatstheirname). So:
DOES ANYBODY ON THIS ML HAVE A COPY OF ISSUE #9 ???
Enough for now...
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #146
******************************************
Stefan Diös
Disney comics Digest V98 #146
Message 104 -
1998-06-17 at 00:45:23
I recently wrote about the llama:
>Judging from the setting not as much as from the actual depiction, I'd guess
>thar Rosa's animal could be either a llama or an alpaca.
But reading that the way it came out, I think I got it the wrong way. I
meant to say, "Judging from the setting *more than* the depiction". So why
didn't I say so? Because it's getting off-topic anyway. That's probably why.
DON ROSA answering DON MARKSTEIN:
>??? An in-side joke can't possibly go "too far". Even if I used a joke that
>only 3 readers on earth would catch, the other X-million would simply read
>over it without noticing, or wonder about it for an entire nanosecond before
>moving on.
I definitely believe that an in-joke can go too far, even if I'm not sure
that the one discussed is an example of that. As long as the joke is
presented in such a way that the x-million "regular" readers really *can*
move on without noticing, then it's an excellent and beautiful addition to
the story... much as some of the details you go on to mention, plus many,
many others in your stories. And most in-jokes are, or should be, just
that... small details on the side.
But it is surely possible to phrase or show the in-joke in an awkward way,
making it take over too much of the plot or detract from the flow of the
story for the reader who doesn't get it. I was guilty of that on a few
occasions, when I started out as a translator. I was over-eager to use my
new "power" over the Duck stories, and so made every effort to poke fun at
my friends in every story. And I believe I overworked it, until I read the
printed stories and realized that "normal" readers wouldn't think my weird,
personal concoctions very funny.
So, Don... rest assured that your readers do appreciate your efforts to put
research and detail in your stories... and don't take it personally if
someone points out that it is possible to make mistakes!
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
>Judging from the setting not as much as from the actual depiction, I'd guess
>thar Rosa's animal could be either a llama or an alpaca.
But reading that the way it came out, I think I got it the wrong way. I
meant to say, "Judging from the setting *more than* the depiction". So why
didn't I say so? Because it's getting off-topic anyway. That's probably why.
DON ROSA answering DON MARKSTEIN:
>??? An in-side joke can't possibly go "too far". Even if I used a joke that
>only 3 readers on earth would catch, the other X-million would simply read
>over it without noticing, or wonder about it for an entire nanosecond before
>moving on.
I definitely believe that an in-joke can go too far, even if I'm not sure
that the one discussed is an example of that. As long as the joke is
presented in such a way that the x-million "regular" readers really *can*
move on without noticing, then it's an excellent and beautiful addition to
the story... much as some of the details you go on to mention, plus many,
many others in your stories. And most in-jokes are, or should be, just
that... small details on the side.
But it is surely possible to phrase or show the in-joke in an awkward way,
making it take over too much of the plot or detract from the flow of the
story for the reader who doesn't get it. I was guilty of that on a few
occasions, when I started out as a translator. I was over-eager to use my
new "power" over the Duck stories, and so made every effort to poke fun at
my friends in every story. And I believe I overworked it, until I read the
printed stories and realized that "normal" readers wouldn't think my weird,
personal concoctions very funny.
So, Don... rest assured that your readers do appreciate your efforts to put
research and detail in your stories... and don't take it personally if
someone points out that it is possible to make mistakes!
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Juergen Gebhardt
JW - GM - FF
Message 105 -
1998-06-17 at 01:51:40
> Well, let's get back to "Giovani Marmotte".
> ...
> And browsing through these issues... lo! on
> ISSUE #8 I just found a nice description of the NEW JW characters...!
> But now something makes me wonder: this
> introduction was on issue #8; I don't have issue #9, so THERE IS A CHANCE
> that in issue #9 there is also an introduction to the GE (Junior Chickadees
> or whatstheirname). So:
>
> DOES ANYBODY ON THIS ML HAVE A COPY OF ISSUE #9 ???
Sorry, I don't have it. But in #8 of the German edition of "Giovani
Marmotte" (called "U.F.F. Unternehmen Faehnlein Fieselschweif") there is an
introduction page on the inside front cover featuring the Chickadees
("die Kohlmeisen" in German) or what nowadays passes for them.
It contains pictures and short characterizations of the troup leader
and four members.
> ...
> And browsing through these issues... lo! on
> ISSUE #8 I just found a nice description of the NEW JW characters...!
> But now something makes me wonder: this
> introduction was on issue #8; I don't have issue #9, so THERE IS A CHANCE
> that in issue #9 there is also an introduction to the GE (Junior Chickadees
> or whatstheirname). So:
>
> DOES ANYBODY ON THIS ML HAVE A COPY OF ISSUE #9 ???
Sorry, I don't have it. But in #8 of the German edition of "Giovani
Marmotte" (called "U.F.F. Unternehmen Faehnlein Fieselschweif") there is an
introduction page on the inside front cover featuring the Chickadees
("die Kohlmeisen" in German) or what nowadays passes for them.
It contains pictures and short characterizations of the troup leader
and four members.