"H.-J. Sasse" <(Email removed)> wrote:
>I have an Arabic translation of a 12-page Donald Duck/Uncle Scrooge
>story by Carl Barks published in Cairo some time around 1965. I have
>been desperately trying to find the original English version but have
>not been successful so far. The story runs as follows: It begins with >a panel showing Uncle Scrooge giving a talk at the Junior Woodchucks >camp about the uselessness of hunting gold. In the meantime, the
>first rocket comes back from the moon and the astronauts report that >they have found gold on the moon.
This is "The Looney Lunar Gold Rush" originally printed in Uncle Scrooge
#49, May, 1964. It was recently reprinted in Gladstone's Uncle Scrooge
Adventures in Color #45, (05/05/98).
One oddity here: You say the story is *12* pages long. However the
original is *17* pages.
>The story ends with a panel showing Donald and the kids carrying home >in a pushcart the one percent of the gold Uncle Scrooge had promised >them for their help and commenting that, although Uncle Scrooge had
>said in his speech to the Junior Woodchucks that is it only the dumb >that run after gold, there are probably good reasons to believe that >it is also the dumb who do not run after gold (at least this is what >the Arabic text says)
The original text for that panel is:
DONALD: "What was it Uncle Scrooge told you Woodchucks about gold rushes
not paying off?"
NEPHEW: "We forget, Unca Donald! Must have been a lot of double talk!"
And in the original there are four more panels, with Dan McShrew being
fined $5 for violating his parole, and Mr. Noble, the former
O.G.U.F.O.O.L, getting his former honors back and gaining a new one:
M.A.S.L.L.B.P.C.M. (Mighty Admirable Sachem of the Long Limosine and
Benovlent Payer of the Clubhouse Mortgage). I would imagine the
translater was glad not to have to wrestle with translating that into
Arabic!
best -- Merlin Haas
Author
Topic: 199806
(174 messages)
Merlin Haas
DD story in Arabic
Message 151 -
1998-06-25 at 03:20:45
Francois Willot
Romano Scarpa, P'tit Loup
Message 152 -
1998-06-25 at 17:40:21
LUCA:
>I've not seen that cover yet, but I can
>assure you that is the only Disney artwork Scarpa is doing now. No
>more (for only a while, we all hope) long stories for Italy; only
>directing his own animated serial (maybe a feature) that recieved a
>very good review (its "pilot") in the last Annecy Festival.
So... this cover must be a work that Scarpa did for Disney-France (the
first - and the last one?). BTW, isn't it surprising to see a *cover*
drawn by Scarpa. I think that he didn't draw many covers or
illustrations for "Topolino".
DAVID:
> Huh? "Only interesting if..." But... But the series is
>reprinting Gottfredson as well ("Land of Long Ago" last year, and
>recently a complete-in-an-issue, uncut version of the 1939 Blot story).
>And a lot of the Danish stories you mention are, in fact, quite
>interesting ones (such as by Pat McGreal, Noel Van Horn, Dave Rawson,
>and I see they've used a couple of mine too).
You're right, David, but... my little list was not supposed to be
"complete" (we have a Disney Comics Database for that...). The
Gottfredson stories are rare (two in five years), and I didn't mention
the (good) Danish stories because this is the kind of stories one could
find in most of the Gladstone comics, and also in Sweden, Norway, etc.
>>- P'tit Loup: a few stories featuring L'il Bad Wolf (only French
>>stories). The three-pagers are good (written by le Bornec and drawn by
>>Penalva).
> I've seen some early Taliaferro Donald Sunday pages, and even a
>few *very* early (1932) Mickey Sunday pages, used as filler in this
>comic. But have they done this lately?
Yes, there were (and still are) DD and MM sunday pages in "P'tit Loup".
But no more early sunday pages (they're from the late 30s now). BTW, I
get to know that they will delete all the French gags and replace them
by one long (French) "L'il Bad Wolf" story (I think I prefer this).
>>I also discovered a book published in France by "Whitman-France" (???-
>>I've never heard of that publisher before), which seems to be a direct
>>translation of "Goofy Annual 1982", an American (or English?) book.
>>The book contains a "Goofy History" story, "Goofy Frankenstein", S
>>78212. Does someone know the original book?
> No, but I've seen similar "Donald Duck Annuals" and "Mickey
>Mouse Annuals." They're British editions, so the Goofy one probably has
>the same origin.
The editors apparently didn't know the name of Goofy in France. They
called him "Goofy" instead of "Dingo"! It's very strange.
Francois
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>I've not seen that cover yet, but I can
>assure you that is the only Disney artwork Scarpa is doing now. No
>more (for only a while, we all hope) long stories for Italy; only
>directing his own animated serial (maybe a feature) that recieved a
>very good review (its "pilot") in the last Annecy Festival.
So... this cover must be a work that Scarpa did for Disney-France (the
first - and the last one?). BTW, isn't it surprising to see a *cover*
drawn by Scarpa. I think that he didn't draw many covers or
illustrations for "Topolino".
DAVID:
> Huh? "Only interesting if..." But... But the series is
>reprinting Gottfredson as well ("Land of Long Ago" last year, and
>recently a complete-in-an-issue, uncut version of the 1939 Blot story).
>And a lot of the Danish stories you mention are, in fact, quite
>interesting ones (such as by Pat McGreal, Noel Van Horn, Dave Rawson,
>and I see they've used a couple of mine too).
You're right, David, but... my little list was not supposed to be
"complete" (we have a Disney Comics Database for that...). The
Gottfredson stories are rare (two in five years), and I didn't mention
the (good) Danish stories because this is the kind of stories one could
find in most of the Gladstone comics, and also in Sweden, Norway, etc.
>>- P'tit Loup: a few stories featuring L'il Bad Wolf (only French
>>stories). The three-pagers are good (written by le Bornec and drawn by
>>Penalva).
> I've seen some early Taliaferro Donald Sunday pages, and even a
>few *very* early (1932) Mickey Sunday pages, used as filler in this
>comic. But have they done this lately?
Yes, there were (and still are) DD and MM sunday pages in "P'tit Loup".
But no more early sunday pages (they're from the late 30s now). BTW, I
get to know that they will delete all the French gags and replace them
by one long (French) "L'il Bad Wolf" story (I think I prefer this).
>>I also discovered a book published in France by "Whitman-France" (???-
>>I've never heard of that publisher before), which seems to be a direct
>>translation of "Goofy Annual 1982", an American (or English?) book.
>>The book contains a "Goofy History" story, "Goofy Frankenstein", S
>>78212. Does someone know the original book?
> No, but I've seen similar "Donald Duck Annuals" and "Mickey
>Mouse Annuals." They're British editions, so the Goofy one probably has
>the same origin.
The editors apparently didn't know the name of Goofy in France. They
called him "Goofy" instead of "Dingo"! It's very strange.
Francois
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Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V98 #152
Message 153 -
1998-06-25 at 19:55:06
From: Daniel Tangri ... re: "Ther Treasury of Croesus"
>I suppose the main inaccuracy is that the Wonder of the World temple was
actually built during the hellenistic period, and not by Croesus about 300
years before.
I did extensive research on the history of the temple and its many
rebuildings... and my books said that the only portion of the temple that
was replaced when Herostratus burned it in 356 BC was the (wooden) roof ...
he would have had trouble burning the stone columns. And besides, I had
$crooge find the Croesus columns and restore them to the Croesus-column
foundations as found by the actual archaeological dig of 1902 or whenever it
was that I had $crooge claim to have been part of. I said nothing about
restoring any later temple which may or may not have existed on that site.
>>>Current research suggests that the temple that had been in existence
before that time was also not built by Croesus.
Other temples did exist on that site prior to 550 BC, but Croesus definitely
built the Temple of Artemis about that time. Or many, MANY history books are
incorrect.
>>> There are other things that probably only an archaeologist would have
picked up - for instance, the language used on inscriptions at the temple
during Croesus' time was pretty straightforward Ionic Greek,
That's not true, according to the history professors that I made
long-distance calls to. The Lidians used the Greek alphabet but they used
them in their own language, a language which has been lost. I made sure of
this because I wanted to write out the secret phrase on the columns in Ionic
Greek, but my experts at the Universtity of Michigan told me this was not
possible because Croesus would not have written anything in the Greek
language.
>>> and the names of Croesus and Circe that were written in Greek characters
at the end are misspelled.
I have a photo of a Greek mural of the period which shows both those names
spelled exactly as I showed them, so if the names were mispelled, then some
ancient Greek made a mistake but "white-out" had yet to be invented. But as
I say, I was told I could spell things any way I wished since no one knows
the Lidian language. If the ancient Greek inscription I copied was
misspelled, then I can simply say that's how those names were spelled in
Greek letters in the Lidian language.
>>>There are other inaccuracies, but I don't want to get into an argument -
Tell me what you think they were. I'm curious. I can't argue with you as to
whether my historical facts are correct. But I will defend every fact that I
meticulously research before I include in one of my stories as having been
presented in one of my sources as being correct. I have no option other than
to believe what my reference books and expert consultants tell me are the
facts. But one thing that I discovered in my 10 years of doing this research
and comparing numerous accounts of the same events or facts -- historians of
antiquities have few hard facts to base their writings on, and they must
make "educated guesses"... however, no historian can ever present his
theories as "theories"... he must write of them as HARD FACT otherwise he
looks uncertain and loses prestige. I have read drastically conflicting
accounts of all the facts of even important things like the history of the
Library of Alexandria, but none of these historians' theories were ever
presented by them as being anything short of absolute certainty. The
theories of my historians may conflict with your historians, and your
historians may well be the more accurate... I dunno. But I do know that I
get all of my facts from respected sources and double-check them when I
can... I lose a LOT of worktime (and $) researching to make these stories as
authentic as possible, and it cannot be suggested that I don't put great
care into the work.
>>> my point was that these things did jar me when I first read the story,
but didn't stop me enjoying it.
Great! Thanks!
>I suppose the main inaccuracy is that the Wonder of the World temple was
actually built during the hellenistic period, and not by Croesus about 300
years before.
I did extensive research on the history of the temple and its many
rebuildings... and my books said that the only portion of the temple that
was replaced when Herostratus burned it in 356 BC was the (wooden) roof ...
he would have had trouble burning the stone columns. And besides, I had
$crooge find the Croesus columns and restore them to the Croesus-column
foundations as found by the actual archaeological dig of 1902 or whenever it
was that I had $crooge claim to have been part of. I said nothing about
restoring any later temple which may or may not have existed on that site.
>>>Current research suggests that the temple that had been in existence
before that time was also not built by Croesus.
Other temples did exist on that site prior to 550 BC, but Croesus definitely
built the Temple of Artemis about that time. Or many, MANY history books are
incorrect.
>>> There are other things that probably only an archaeologist would have
picked up - for instance, the language used on inscriptions at the temple
during Croesus' time was pretty straightforward Ionic Greek,
That's not true, according to the history professors that I made
long-distance calls to. The Lidians used the Greek alphabet but they used
them in their own language, a language which has been lost. I made sure of
this because I wanted to write out the secret phrase on the columns in Ionic
Greek, but my experts at the Universtity of Michigan told me this was not
possible because Croesus would not have written anything in the Greek
language.
>>> and the names of Croesus and Circe that were written in Greek characters
at the end are misspelled.
I have a photo of a Greek mural of the period which shows both those names
spelled exactly as I showed them, so if the names were mispelled, then some
ancient Greek made a mistake but "white-out" had yet to be invented. But as
I say, I was told I could spell things any way I wished since no one knows
the Lidian language. If the ancient Greek inscription I copied was
misspelled, then I can simply say that's how those names were spelled in
Greek letters in the Lidian language.
>>>There are other inaccuracies, but I don't want to get into an argument -
Tell me what you think they were. I'm curious. I can't argue with you as to
whether my historical facts are correct. But I will defend every fact that I
meticulously research before I include in one of my stories as having been
presented in one of my sources as being correct. I have no option other than
to believe what my reference books and expert consultants tell me are the
facts. But one thing that I discovered in my 10 years of doing this research
and comparing numerous accounts of the same events or facts -- historians of
antiquities have few hard facts to base their writings on, and they must
make "educated guesses"... however, no historian can ever present his
theories as "theories"... he must write of them as HARD FACT otherwise he
looks uncertain and loses prestige. I have read drastically conflicting
accounts of all the facts of even important things like the history of the
Library of Alexandria, but none of these historians' theories were ever
presented by them as being anything short of absolute certainty. The
theories of my historians may conflict with your historians, and your
historians may well be the more accurate... I dunno. But I do know that I
get all of my facts from respected sources and double-check them when I
can... I lose a LOT of worktime (and $) researching to make these stories as
authentic as possible, and it cannot be suggested that I don't put great
care into the work.
>>> my point was that these things did jar me when I first read the story,
but didn't stop me enjoying it.
Great! Thanks!
Luca Boschi
Scarpa's Covers
Message 154 -
1998-06-26 at 01:16:23
Hi, Francois (and all)!
> So... this cover must be a work that Scarpa did for Disney-France (the
> first - and the last one?).
I think that from that cover on, Scarpa shall draw *all* the "Mickey
Parade"'s covers, as long as they'll publish some stories of him. Or,
at least, the covers related with his own Mickey stories.
> BTW, isn't it surprising to see a *cover*
> drawn by Scarpa. I think that he didn't draw many covers or
> illustrations for "Topolino".
I can't say it exactly, now, but I guess no more than 15 (for
"Topolino") in all his Disney career.
Bye!
Luca
> So... this cover must be a work that Scarpa did for Disney-France (the
> first - and the last one?).
I think that from that cover on, Scarpa shall draw *all* the "Mickey
Parade"'s covers, as long as they'll publish some stories of him. Or,
at least, the covers related with his own Mickey stories.
> BTW, isn't it surprising to see a *cover*
> drawn by Scarpa. I think that he didn't draw many covers or
> illustrations for "Topolino".
I can't say it exactly, now, but I guess no more than 15 (for
"Topolino") in all his Disney career.
Bye!
Luca
Henning Reichstein
Loony Lunar Gold Rush
Message 155 -
1998-06-26 at 09:02:34
H.-J. Sasse asked:
>I have an Arabic translation of a 12-page Donald Duck/Uncle Scrooge
>story by Carl Barks published in Cairo some time around 1965. I have
>been desperately trying to find the original English version but have
>not been successful so far.
Apart from the recent reprints in US #242 and the Color Library series,
it was
in the B/W CBLibrary too, volume V to be exact.I know you didn't ask,
but you
might like to know that German versions appeared in Micky Maus
8-9/1985,
Die Besten Geschichten Mit DD/Klassik-Album #40 and Die Tollsten
Geschichten
von DD #58.
I'm writing this because I know Harry Fluks would have done that, if he
was around,
but he just visited me and is in this moment on his way to Copenhagen
to visit David
Gerstein. Thanks for stopping by and giving me a tutorial in your
database programs,
Harry, and do say "Hi" to David from me!
oLe "RoC" Reichstein Nielsen
U <(Email removed)>
>I have an Arabic translation of a 12-page Donald Duck/Uncle Scrooge
>story by Carl Barks published in Cairo some time around 1965. I have
>been desperately trying to find the original English version but have
>not been successful so far.
Apart from the recent reprints in US #242 and the Color Library series,
it was
in the B/W CBLibrary too, volume V to be exact.I know you didn't ask,
but you
might like to know that German versions appeared in Micky Maus
8-9/1985,
Die Besten Geschichten Mit DD/Klassik-Album #40 and Die Tollsten
Geschichten
von DD #58.
I'm writing this because I know Harry Fluks would have done that, if he
was around,
but he just visited me and is in this moment on his way to Copenhagen
to visit David
Gerstein. Thanks for stopping by and giving me a tutorial in your
database programs,
Harry, and do say "Hi" to David from me!
oLe "RoC" Reichstein Nielsen
U <(Email removed)>
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
KOMIX's 10th Birthday
Message 156 -
1998-06-26 at 16:59:29
Fellow Quackeroos:
The Greek KOMIX celebrates its 10th birthday this month with a jubileum
100-page issue that just hit the stands. FYI, here's its contents:
1) It sports as a cover the cover of the famous Celestial Arts book.
2) It prints Barks' "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone" and the story-book
version (with watercolors) of "Go Slowly, Sands of Time". It also prints
Barks' and van Horn's "Horsin' Around with History" and a Barks 10-pager.
3) It contains 19(!) pages of editorial articles, 11 of which are dedicated
to Disney comic-book creators, from Gottfredson to Rosa.
Cheers,
Archontis
The Greek KOMIX celebrates its 10th birthday this month with a jubileum
100-page issue that just hit the stands. FYI, here's its contents:
1) It sports as a cover the cover of the famous Celestial Arts book.
2) It prints Barks' "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone" and the story-book
version (with watercolors) of "Go Slowly, Sands of Time". It also prints
Barks' and van Horn's "Horsin' Around with History" and a Barks 10-pager.
3) It contains 19(!) pages of editorial articles, 11 of which are dedicated
to Disney comic-book creators, from Gottfredson to Rosa.
Cheers,
Archontis
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Greetings from Harry Fluks
Message 157 -
1998-06-26 at 21:06:02
Actually, this is a totally off-topic mail. I just wanted to greet you
all from the Egmont office in Copenhagen. I=B4m having a wonderful time
here, as I had with Ole =B4=B4RoC=B4=B4 in the past few days.
Hej fra Danmark!
--Harry Fluks.
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all from the Egmont office in Copenhagen. I=B4m having a wonderful time
here, as I had with Ole =B4=B4RoC=B4=B4 in the past few days.
Hej fra Danmark!
--Harry Fluks.
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Katie Sullivan
Rosa stuff
Message 158 -
1998-06-26 at 21:51:12
Regarding the Greek and Lydia stuff:
You never cease to amaze me, Mr. Rosa. Just knowing you put all that research
and thought into your stories makes me admire you, and then the fact that they
are entertaining on top of all that is even more impressive. I want to grab my
copy of Treasury of Croesus right now and read it all over again, knowing about
all those details. :-)
On another Rosa-related note, I finally found my long-lost copy of "The Duck Who
Fell to Earth." I hadn't read it in years, long before I was online. The
physical comedy with Donald made me LOL (to lapse into Internet slang). The
story felt more possible in the Duckburgian universe than "Attack of the Hideous
Space Varmints" (although I enjoyed that one, too.) Scrooge and Donald both had
their moments. As usual, two enthusiastic thumbs up. :-)
Quackcerely,
Katie
You never cease to amaze me, Mr. Rosa. Just knowing you put all that research
and thought into your stories makes me admire you, and then the fact that they
are entertaining on top of all that is even more impressive. I want to grab my
copy of Treasury of Croesus right now and read it all over again, knowing about
all those details. :-)
On another Rosa-related note, I finally found my long-lost copy of "The Duck Who
Fell to Earth." I hadn't read it in years, long before I was online. The
physical comedy with Donald made me LOL (to lapse into Internet slang). The
story felt more possible in the Duckburgian universe than "Attack of the Hideous
Space Varmints" (although I enjoyed that one, too.) Scrooge and Donald both had
their moments. As usual, two enthusiastic thumbs up. :-)
Quackcerely,
Katie
Per-Erik Malmström
2-page essay...
Message 159 -
1998-06-27 at 00:23:57
KATHY:
>> During Gladstone's first run, I believe - or it could have even been by
Bob Foster during Disney's run - there was a two page essay on Van Horn,
but I cannot remember what issue of which comic line. I will come across
it soon
in my rereading and will post where it is then.<<
Are you thinking about DESTINATION DUCKBURG that was published in DDA #2
(Disney), and later republished in WDC&S 549? If not, it has to be FANFARE
FOR WILLIAM VAN HORN from WDC&S 537. All other essays about WVH
that's been published in an American Disney comic book have either been
about someone else too, or published much later.
Best,
Per-Erik
>> During Gladstone's first run, I believe - or it could have even been by
Bob Foster during Disney's run - there was a two page essay on Van Horn,
but I cannot remember what issue of which comic line. I will come across
it soon
in my rereading and will post where it is then.<<
Are you thinking about DESTINATION DUCKBURG that was published in DDA #2
(Disney), and later republished in WDC&S 549? If not, it has to be FANFARE
FOR WILLIAM VAN HORN from WDC&S 537. All other essays about WVH
that's been published in an American Disney comic book have either been
about someone else too, or published much later.
Best,
Per-Erik
Userpro
Disney comics Digest V98 #153
Message 160 -
1998-06-27 at 10:15:21
dear Don Rosa,
Hello my name is Jim Prtochaska and I am writing you today to ask you for a
favor. My brother loves your comics and reads them all the time. Next week is
his birthday and I was wondering if you could send me your autograph to give
him for his birthday. His name is Mike.. My address is 3331 Eldmdale road.,
Glenview, Il 60025. Thanks for helping me...
Jim Prochaska
Hello my name is Jim Prtochaska and I am writing you today to ask you for a
favor. My brother loves your comics and reads them all the time. Next week is
his birthday and I was wondering if you could send me your autograph to give
him for his birthday. His name is Mike.. My address is 3331 Eldmdale road.,
Glenview, Il 60025. Thanks for helping me...
Jim Prochaska
Juhana K Kouhia
New member/Carl Barks on CD-ROM?
Message 161 -
1998-06-27 at 13:43:18
Hello. I have subscribed recently. For a long time I had a few ten
Donald Ducks comics from '70 (when I was a child) and a few DD comics
from '50 (when my father was a child). But my interest in those comics
increased a couple of months ago when I reread the good stories and
wanted more. Now I have find out all those good stories are by Carl Barks.
Well, I'm sure there is no CD-ROM(s) containing all good Carl Barks
works as image files but would making of such CD-ROM collection be
a reasonable idea?
I personally dislike cheap paper versions because they will stink
after a few years if not already. Also, weekly DD's has so much
bad stories which I would not even like to archive. In the otherhand,
good quality books published recently here in Finland are too expensive
for collecting all stories --- and, sadly, the visual look of those Carl
Barks books is not good: at least the text is unpleasant to read (is it
too big or something?).
Of course, I could scan all the stories to CD-ROM from my copies of DD
for my privat use. That is perfectly legal. But the magazines has a
dot-raster and I would like to have the stories on CD-ROM without the
raster. By the way, recently they published books with camera copies
of DDs from years 195* and, of course, they didn't remove the old
raster before making the new raster --- they look terrible.
Ok, I wish such CD-ROM collection would cost less than the books. At least
a CD-ROM is cheaper to manufacture than a book and may contain more stories.
Marketing people might disagree with the latter part, though.
Yours,
Juhana Kouhia
Donald Ducks comics from '70 (when I was a child) and a few DD comics
from '50 (when my father was a child). But my interest in those comics
increased a couple of months ago when I reread the good stories and
wanted more. Now I have find out all those good stories are by Carl Barks.
Well, I'm sure there is no CD-ROM(s) containing all good Carl Barks
works as image files but would making of such CD-ROM collection be
a reasonable idea?
I personally dislike cheap paper versions because they will stink
after a few years if not already. Also, weekly DD's has so much
bad stories which I would not even like to archive. In the otherhand,
good quality books published recently here in Finland are too expensive
for collecting all stories --- and, sadly, the visual look of those Carl
Barks books is not good: at least the text is unpleasant to read (is it
too big or something?).
Of course, I could scan all the stories to CD-ROM from my copies of DD
for my privat use. That is perfectly legal. But the magazines has a
dot-raster and I would like to have the stories on CD-ROM without the
raster. By the way, recently they published books with camera copies
of DDs from years 195* and, of course, they didn't remove the old
raster before making the new raster --- they look terrible.
Ok, I wish such CD-ROM collection would cost less than the books. At least
a CD-ROM is cheaper to manufacture than a book and may contain more stories.
Marketing people might disagree with the latter part, though.
Yours,
Juhana Kouhia
Kriton Kyrimis
It's all Greek to you!
Message 162 -
1998-06-28 at 00:16:59
DON:
As one of the Greeks in this list, I think I should add my opinion to
the debate on the Treasury of Croesus.
> >>> and the names of Croesus and Circe that were written in Greek characters
> at the end are misspelled.
>
> I have a photo of a Greek mural of the period which shows both those names
> spelled exactly as I showed them, so if the names were mispelled, then some
> ancient Greek made a mistake but "white-out" had yet to be invented.
I'd love to see a copy of that photo you mention. I have no doubt that
you copied the inscriptions verbatim, but the names are definitely
misspelled. The correct spelling of the names would be (making
allowances for my having to use the Roman alphabet):
Croesus: KPOISOS (Kappa-rho-omicron-iota-sigma-omicron-sigma)
Circe: KIPKH (Kappa-iota-rho-kappa-eta)
The modern pronunciation of these names would be something like Krissos
and Kirki, (in both cases the accent is on the first syllable, and the
"i"s are short, as in the English word "hit"). In ancient times, the
pronunciation would be slightly different, but the "K" would definitely
be a "K" sound, not an "S" sound as it is in the English pronunciation of
"Circe".
In addition to the above, there is the inscription on the coin shown in
part II, page 5, panel 4, which looks like:
ZOII
/\
/ \
----
TMOLYS
Assumming that the "O" is actually the sun rising over the mountain, then
the remaining Z II is a different rendering of the Hellenized version of
the $ symbol that is shown later on, so we can dismiss it. The TMOLYS
(Tau-mu-omicron-lambda-upsilon-sigma) bit however, looks suspiciously
like the Greek name TMWLOS (Tau-mu-omega-lambda-omicron-sigma), which is
the name of a mountain in Lydia where the source of the Pactolos river,
whose gold deposits provided Croesus with his wealth, can be found.
It would seem that someone took the Latinized/English version of the name
(Tmolus), then turned it back into Greek by substituting u with upsilon
and leaving the o as the similar-looking omicron.
Combining all this information, I have a suspicion that the names shown
in the story are the Latinized versions, pronounced in the English way,
then written using the Greek alphabet. I wonder if someone wasn't putting
you on. :-(
Now, if you want to see a funny mistake, turn to part III, page 4,
panel 2, where we see the depth gauge in Croesus' money bin, which,
after converting the numbers from Greek into Arabic notation, looks
something like:
---------
| 100 --|
| -|
| --|
| -|
| 109 --|
| -|
| --|
| -|
| 108 --|
| -|
.........
!!!
Rho stands for 100, rho-theta stands for 109, and rho-eta stands
for 108. To make the gauge make sense, you can either change the rho
into a rho-iota (110), or change the 109 and 108 into koppa-theta (99)
and koppa-eta (98), to make the gauge more similar to that in Scrooge's
money bin. Koppa (*NOT* Kappa) is a disused archaic Greek letter (the
equivalent of Q), which looks like:
|
| /|
|/ |
|
(I just realized that the numbers on the gauge are written using small
Greek letters, which I believe were invented by the Alexandrines a
few centuries after Croesus, instead of capital letters, so there are
probably two mistakes in that depth gauge!)
An interesting fact about that gauge: assuming that Don's intention was to
show that Croesus was as rich as Scrooge, then, assuming a similar money
bin to that of Scrooge, filled, up to the 97 foot mark, and assuming that
these were ancient Greek feet (about 1.01 ft), then Croesus had 98 ft
of money, which is exactly how much money Scrooge happens to have. (At
least, this was the amount shown in "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad",
which was the first story of Don's that I found which showed the depth
of Scrooge's money bin). Talk about thorough research--I bet I'm the
first one to notice this!
A bit off the subject:
> he would have had trouble burning the stone columns.
I don't know about stone, but fire can do serious damage to marble:
the uneven expansion and contraction it causes (especially if you do
this a couple of times) turns the inside of marble columns into so much
chalk dust, reducing their strength. You then only need an earthquake,
or Donald bumping his head onto one, for the columns to collapse. This
is the main reason why you won't see many ancient buldings standing in
Athens. There have been far too many barbaric raids, with the obligatory
subsequent setting the city on fire, for many marble structures to have
survived. I understand that even the colums of the Parthenon have been
weakened by this condition. (There was only one fire there, which is
why the building is still standing!)
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Things are only impossible until they're not."
-----
As one of the Greeks in this list, I think I should add my opinion to
the debate on the Treasury of Croesus.
> >>> and the names of Croesus and Circe that were written in Greek characters
> at the end are misspelled.
>
> I have a photo of a Greek mural of the period which shows both those names
> spelled exactly as I showed them, so if the names were mispelled, then some
> ancient Greek made a mistake but "white-out" had yet to be invented.
I'd love to see a copy of that photo you mention. I have no doubt that
you copied the inscriptions verbatim, but the names are definitely
misspelled. The correct spelling of the names would be (making
allowances for my having to use the Roman alphabet):
Croesus: KPOISOS (Kappa-rho-omicron-iota-sigma-omicron-sigma)
Circe: KIPKH (Kappa-iota-rho-kappa-eta)
The modern pronunciation of these names would be something like Krissos
and Kirki, (in both cases the accent is on the first syllable, and the
"i"s are short, as in the English word "hit"). In ancient times, the
pronunciation would be slightly different, but the "K" would definitely
be a "K" sound, not an "S" sound as it is in the English pronunciation of
"Circe".
In addition to the above, there is the inscription on the coin shown in
part II, page 5, panel 4, which looks like:
ZOII
/\
/ \
----
TMOLYS
Assumming that the "O" is actually the sun rising over the mountain, then
the remaining Z II is a different rendering of the Hellenized version of
the $ symbol that is shown later on, so we can dismiss it. The TMOLYS
(Tau-mu-omicron-lambda-upsilon-sigma) bit however, looks suspiciously
like the Greek name TMWLOS (Tau-mu-omega-lambda-omicron-sigma), which is
the name of a mountain in Lydia where the source of the Pactolos river,
whose gold deposits provided Croesus with his wealth, can be found.
It would seem that someone took the Latinized/English version of the name
(Tmolus), then turned it back into Greek by substituting u with upsilon
and leaving the o as the similar-looking omicron.
Combining all this information, I have a suspicion that the names shown
in the story are the Latinized versions, pronounced in the English way,
then written using the Greek alphabet. I wonder if someone wasn't putting
you on. :-(
Now, if you want to see a funny mistake, turn to part III, page 4,
panel 2, where we see the depth gauge in Croesus' money bin, which,
after converting the numbers from Greek into Arabic notation, looks
something like:
---------
| 100 --|
| -|
| --|
| -|
| 109 --|
| -|
| --|
| -|
| 108 --|
| -|
.........
!!!
Rho stands for 100, rho-theta stands for 109, and rho-eta stands
for 108. To make the gauge make sense, you can either change the rho
into a rho-iota (110), or change the 109 and 108 into koppa-theta (99)
and koppa-eta (98), to make the gauge more similar to that in Scrooge's
money bin. Koppa (*NOT* Kappa) is a disused archaic Greek letter (the
equivalent of Q), which looks like:
|
| /|
|/ |
|
(I just realized that the numbers on the gauge are written using small
Greek letters, which I believe were invented by the Alexandrines a
few centuries after Croesus, instead of capital letters, so there are
probably two mistakes in that depth gauge!)
An interesting fact about that gauge: assuming that Don's intention was to
show that Croesus was as rich as Scrooge, then, assuming a similar money
bin to that of Scrooge, filled, up to the 97 foot mark, and assuming that
these were ancient Greek feet (about 1.01 ft), then Croesus had 98 ft
of money, which is exactly how much money Scrooge happens to have. (At
least, this was the amount shown in "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad",
which was the first story of Don's that I found which showed the depth
of Scrooge's money bin). Talk about thorough research--I bet I'm the
first one to notice this!
A bit off the subject:
> he would have had trouble burning the stone columns.
I don't know about stone, but fire can do serious damage to marble:
the uneven expansion and contraction it causes (especially if you do
this a couple of times) turns the inside of marble columns into so much
chalk dust, reducing their strength. You then only need an earthquake,
or Donald bumping his head onto one, for the columns to collapse. This
is the main reason why you won't see many ancient buldings standing in
Athens. There have been far too many barbaric raids, with the obligatory
subsequent setting the city on fire, for many marble structures to have
survived. I understand that even the colums of the Parthenon have been
weakened by this condition. (There was only one fire there, which is
why the building is still standing!)
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Things are only impossible until they're not."
-----
Shaun Craill
U$
Message 163 -
1998-06-28 at 17:50:02
Hi everyone,
I have always wondered if the Uncle Scrooge $ sign used by Carl Barks with
the double vertical lines was something he originated, or something he
adopted. Anyone know? I have seen the double vertical line used often by
ticket writers in retail stores, but I haven't as yet seen a $ sign with
double vertical lines on a professionally designed typeface.
In comics the double vertical lines are almost always used, in other U$
merchandise produced by Disney it usually isn't, except on one item I have
where they have used both!
regards
Shaun
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #154
******************************************
I have always wondered if the Uncle Scrooge $ sign used by Carl Barks with
the double vertical lines was something he originated, or something he
adopted. Anyone know? I have seen the double vertical line used often by
ticket writers in retail stores, but I haven't as yet seen a $ sign with
double vertical lines on a professionally designed typeface.
In comics the double vertical lines are almost always used, in other U$
merchandise produced by Disney it usually isn't, except on one item I have
where they have used both!
regards
Shaun
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #154
******************************************
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V98 #154
Message 164 -
1998-06-28 at 18:50:21
>dear Don Rosa,
>Hello my name is Jim Prochaska and I am writing you today to ask you for a
>favor. My brother loves your comics and reads them all the time. Next week
>is his birthday and I was wondering if you could send me your autograph to
>give him for his birthday
>Jim Prochaska
Well, I can't answer this fella by private e-mail because he gave no
personal return e-mail address. I sent his brother an
autographed photo with the weekly "load" (of 2 or 3).
>From: Juhana K Kouhia
>I personally dislike cheap paper versions because they will stink
>after a few years if not already.
??? What kind of paper are they using in Finland?! Even cheap paper doesn't
"stink" for decades or even centuries unless it becomes damp and mildewed. I
also like having nice editions of favorite comics, but I would NEVER want to
lose my "vault" filled floor to ceiling with those tens of thousands of
cheap old original-edition comics! I think the smell of aging pulp-paper is
a heady perfume! But by no means could it be said to "stink".
Stop storing your comics out in the backyard.
>From: (Shaun Craill)
Well... I'm sure others have answered this also, but Shaun seems to be under
the impression that the $ (with 2 slashes) is uncommon, or even uniquely
original to Barks' old Duck stories. I guess this is due to his location
there in New Zealand.
The double-slash $ is the normal form of the symbol (I'm not sure why there
is only one slash in the computer-style $... maybe that's just...
computer-style? But the double-slash $ has been around for a century or so
here in its country-of-origin. The story goes that it was originally a "U"
on top of a "S", standing for "Uncle Sam" or "United States" or "Universal
Scrip" or something.... and over the decades of use, the bottom dropped off
the "U".
How about the "@" symbol whose stock rose so much with the creation of the
Internet? That originally was "at", as written by salesmen and clerks for a
few hundred years... so many chickens or bags o' flour "at" so many $ each.
And the written "at" finally degenerated into an 'a' with a curly-que... @.
>Hello my name is Jim Prochaska and I am writing you today to ask you for a
>favor. My brother loves your comics and reads them all the time. Next week
>is his birthday and I was wondering if you could send me your autograph to
>give him for his birthday
>Jim Prochaska
Well, I can't answer this fella by private e-mail because he gave no
personal return e-mail address. I sent his brother an
autographed photo with the weekly "load" (of 2 or 3).
>From: Juhana K Kouhia
>I personally dislike cheap paper versions because they will stink
>after a few years if not already.
??? What kind of paper are they using in Finland?! Even cheap paper doesn't
"stink" for decades or even centuries unless it becomes damp and mildewed. I
also like having nice editions of favorite comics, but I would NEVER want to
lose my "vault" filled floor to ceiling with those tens of thousands of
cheap old original-edition comics! I think the smell of aging pulp-paper is
a heady perfume! But by no means could it be said to "stink".
Stop storing your comics out in the backyard.
>From: (Shaun Craill)
Well... I'm sure others have answered this also, but Shaun seems to be under
the impression that the $ (with 2 slashes) is uncommon, or even uniquely
original to Barks' old Duck stories. I guess this is due to his location
there in New Zealand.
The double-slash $ is the normal form of the symbol (I'm not sure why there
is only one slash in the computer-style $... maybe that's just...
computer-style? But the double-slash $ has been around for a century or so
here in its country-of-origin. The story goes that it was originally a "U"
on top of a "S", standing for "Uncle Sam" or "United States" or "Universal
Scrip" or something.... and over the decades of use, the bottom dropped off
the "U".
How about the "@" symbol whose stock rose so much with the creation of the
Internet? That originally was "at", as written by salesmen and clerks for a
few hundred years... so many chickens or bags o' flour "at" so many $ each.
And the written "at" finally degenerated into an 'a' with a curly-que... @.
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Dollar signs
Message 165 -
1998-06-28 at 19:39:00
DON and SHAUN:
> The double-slash $ is the normal form of the symbol (I'm not sure why there
> is only one slash in the computer-style $... maybe that's just...
> computer-style?
Most likely printing the dollar sign with two slashes would look REAL ugly, and in the
days of typewriters may have even resulted in one thick-looking line. Two lines on a
computer font would look too busy.
-Augie
-------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) <*>
Pipeline Commentary and Review: New Every Sunday:
http://www.nic.com/~augie/pipeline
> The double-slash $ is the normal form of the symbol (I'm not sure why there
> is only one slash in the computer-style $... maybe that's just...
> computer-style?
Most likely printing the dollar sign with two slashes would look REAL ugly, and in the
days of typewriters may have even resulted in one thick-looking line. Two lines on a
computer font would look too busy.
-Augie
-------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) <*>
Pipeline Commentary and Review: New Every Sunday:
http://www.nic.com/~augie/pipeline