Keskustelujen arkisto

ME:

> I've only skimmed through it, but it would appear that the translation
> is not up to the usual KOMIX standards,

Having read the story, I'm afraid I agree with that first assessment.
I wonder what happened.

> > How about the last pages of the first part?
> > In the Gladstone version, the last two pages or so appears
> > badly, with a strange inking. It's obviously not the original...
>
> Like I said, I've only skimmed through it, but I got that impression
> from the KOMIX edition, as well.

As it turns out, only panels 3 and 4 of the last page seem to be affectd.

ARCHONTIS:

Re: Komix/Komiks vs. Rosa/Roza.

You won't be surprised to learn that the person complaining about the
way Komix spell their name was me. I was suprised, however, to learn
that Komix used what you call "phonetic" (which is what I had been
advocating) spelling in their first issues, and then switched to what
you call grammatic.

For various reasons that I will not bother to repeat, I am still not
convinced that "Komix" is the correct spelling, and even though I am
contradicting myself, I believe that grammatic spelling has not been the
rule for converting foreign names into Greek since at least 1933. (This
is why we write "kaseta" (using Greek letters, of course) rather than
"kassetta" for the word "cassette".) Coupled with the fact that in the
case of Don's name, grammatic spelling changes the name's pronunciation,
leaving Greeks with the impression that their favorite stories are
being written by a guy called "Rossa", I claim that using the phonetic
spelling is mandatory in this case. Anyway, I believe Don has broached
the subject with the Greek publishers, who are the de facto arbiters in
this dispute, so in a few months we shall definitely know what is going
to be the official version of Don's name in Greek for the next century.

For what it's worth, if it were up to me, I'd simply *translate* Don's
name into Greek, rather than transliterate it, converting it to "Donios
Triantafyllos", and do away with the pronunciation problem altogether.
Nineteenth century scholars used to do this, so maybe this practice will
come into vogue again! :-)

MITCHELL MARMEL:
> > Archontis---"ch" is supposed to stand for the Greek letter "chi".
Non-Greeks
> > mispronounce it as is, but had I written it leaving out the c, they'd
> > totally mispronounce it!
>
> Mmm. I'd pronounce it 'ahr-kon-tiss', myself. Is that correct?

No, but it's probably the closest to which an English-speaking person
could get without help.

Here's a paragraph from Donald E. Knuth's "The TEX book", which might
help a bit:

"Insiders pronounce the x of TEX as a Greek chi, not as an `x', so that
TEX rhymes with the word blecchhh. It's the `ch' sound in Scottish words
like loch or German words like ach; it's a Spanish `j' and a Russian
`kh'. When you say it correctly to your computer, the terminal may become
slightly moist."

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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I also think that the distribution of Disney comics in the U.S. has
gone
way downhill...maybe enough to make them stop printing them altogether.
I've
noticed in the last 3 months or so it has been just about impossible to find
ANY
Disney comics around here. I haven't bought a comic book for 2 months now
because I can't find them anywhere.
I tried to get a direct mail order subscription a year ago, but the
check was never cashed and the comics never came. I'm starting to feel like
I'm
just not going to get anymore new comic books. Maybe I'll have to try
getting
some of the European comics sent to me.

Tom

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JEFF CONNER:
> I don't know if I'm the only one, but I've often
> wondered how I would handle the North American Disney
> comics line. Quite a bit different than Gladstone, I
> assure you. When I have some time, I'll post that, if
> that's okay with the group.

Well, this is a favorite topic (apparently) on the List,
so you're welcome to contribute your ideas as well.

However, I have a concern about what seems to be a trend
at local Comic shops. Y'see, for years I have been a
regular *subscriber* at one shop or another, depending on
where I live and the convenience of the trip. In the past
I didn't have much trouble, but lately, three months in a
row now, my copies of "Walt Disney Comics" did not arrive.
The store claims they placed the order, but the distributers
failed to deliver them. I'm fortunate in the fact that I
live so close to several comic shops so when one fails me
I can just go to another. I don't want to stop my set-up
at the current shop because I get a nice discount, but if
this continues I will take my business elsewhere.

This trend seems to have permeated the marketplace around
here. For instance, the shop I go to does not get WDC or
U$ as a regular monthly comic... the only issues they get
are mine! The same goes for most of the other shops around
my area, and the ones that do get the comics as part of
their regular weekly/monthly orders only get one copy each
(fearing even that one won't sell). I'm not complaining
about having to drive around to different shops since I
can usually call and have them hold the issues for me,
then I run errands nearby at the same time. My concern is
what this trend means. Including the upcoming WDC #333
"All Donald" (meaning "NO MICKEY") issue! Are we finally
witnessing North America's death bed for Disney Comics?
Has this been a long lingering death just waiting for the
11th hour to pass? Having no Mickey in any Disney comics
is not good to me. Mickey's presence has already been
dropped from U$, and now, from WDC???? Why not just make
a special All Donald comic? Why drop everything but Donald
& Uncle Scrooge?

My last hope for Disney comics is the upcoming animated
series "MouseWorks" which premieres January 1999. Maybe
then someone will pick up the Disney comics line and insure
that Mickey continues to have a presence in North America!
I don't want to give up on Gladstone, but I don't know
what is going on... Are they having problems with a new
contract with Disney and have thus lost the rights to any
characters except those directly related to the Ducks? :-(

I finally accepted that all we are going to get here are the
two prestige format books. O.K... they're expensive and
mostly reprints, but I finally resigned myself to the idea
that this is all the crumbs we will be getting. Now this!!
Now no distributers want to deliver them to the comic shops,
and very few shops want to order them. And even the
publisher is giving up. What's wrong? It CAN'T be because
there is no children's market. There are plenty of childrens
comics on the shelves. Every time I go in I see new issues
of Archie (and it various related titles), Sonic, Scooby-Doo,
Flintsones, Bugs Bunny, and many others... so why is Disney
being singled out of the market?

There... I'm done complaining again. Whew.

Rich (xephyr)

TRISTAN:

>Does this mean, for instance, that my copy
>of Hearts of Yukon in WDG #1 is shorter than the European version (and
>thereby, Im missing out) or is my copy better than a European version in
>that the non-A version is simply the same story split up between three
>issues?

The latter is true: any one-part version is the "sum" of three parts.
Usually the splash-panels opening part two and part three are missing, and
smaller extra panels (by Don) are added to replace them. In fact it is Don
himself who makes TWO versions, a one-part and a three-part version.

In some countries like Italy, where we have a very dedicated editor of the
relevant comic book (and YES that is Lidia Cannatella all right!!!) we even
sometimes get EVERYTHING i. e. both the splash panels AND (on a separate
page) the replacement panels with extra gags.

But I'd say that the one-part version is usually the better one if you have
to choose...

Marco

(a fan of Lidia Cannatella since she stopped doing the translations...)

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics

JEFF CONNER:
> I don't know if I'm the only one, but I've often
> wondered how I would handle the North American Disney
> comics line. Quite a bit different than Gladstone, I
> assure you. When I have some time, I'll post that, if
> that's okay with the group.

Well, this is a favorite topic (apparently) on the List,
so you're welcome to contribute your ideas as well.

However, I have a concern about what seems to be a trend
at local Comic shops. Y'see, for years I have been a
regular *subscriber* at one shop or another, depending on
where I live and the convenience of the trip. In the past
I didn't have much trouble, but lately, three months in a
row now, my copies of "Walt Disney Comics" did not arrive.
The store claims they placed the order, but the distributers
failed to deliver them. I'm fortunate in the fact that I
live so close to several comic shops so when one fails me
I can just go to another. I don't want to stop my set-up
at the current shop because I get a nice discount, but if
this continues I will take my business elsewhere.

This trend seems to have permeated the marketplace around
here. For instance, the shop I go to does not get WDC or
U$ as a regular monthly comic... the only issues they get
are mine! The same goes for most of the other shops around
my area, and the ones that do get the comics as part of
their regular weekly/monthly orders only get one copy each
(fearing even that one won't sell). I'm not complaining
about having to drive around to different shops since I
can usually call and have them hold the issues for me,
then I run errands nearby at the same time. My concern is
what this trend means. Including the upcoming WDC #333
"All Donald" (meaning "NO MICKEY") issue! Are we finally
witnessing North America's death bed for Disney Comics?
Has this been a long lingering death just waiting for the
11th hour to pass? Having no Mickey in any Disney comics
is not good to me. Mickey's presence has already been
dropped from U$, and now, from WDC???? Why not just make
a special All Donald comic? Why drop everything but Donald
& Uncle Scrooge?

My last hope for Disney comics is the upcoming animated
series "MouseWorks" which premieres January 1999. Maybe
then someone will pick up the Disney comics line and insure
that Mickey continues to have a presence in North America!
I don't want to give up on Gladstone, but I don't know
what is going on... Are they having problems with a new
contract with Disney and have thus lost the rights to any
characters except those directly related to the Ducks? :-(

I finally accepted that all we are going to get here are the
two prestige format books. O.K... they're expensive and
mostly reprints, but I finally resigned myself to the idea
that this is all the crumbs we will be getting. Now this!!
Now no distributers want to deliver them to the comic shops,
and very few shops want to order them. And even the
publisher is giving up. What's wrong? It CAN'T be because
there is no children's market. There are plenty of childrens
comics on the shelves. Every time I go in I see new issues
of Archie (and it various related titles), Sonic, Scooby-Doo,
Flintsones, Bugs Bunny, and many others... so why is Disney
being singled out of the market?

There... I'm done complaining again. Whew.

Rich (xephyr)

Joachim Stahl wrote:
>>Even the brilliant old texts of Erika Fuchs in today's reprints have
to be modernizes [...zed] a bit to make them understandable for
our young readers. Fuchs, unlike some of her old fans, always
fully accepted these changes.<<
Now, this bold statement finally gets me out of my complacent
lurker mode. "ALWAYS", "FULLY" ? I don=B4t have to remind anyone
of the recent "Guildo Horn-incident" to reveal this generalization as
a downright (if only thoughtless) lie. And, btw, I=B4m 30 years old and
do NOT consider me as one of her *old* fans. Us donaldists may be
old-fashioned, but were not necessarily of ancient age. My name=B4s not
Fri - but I digress... Thomas Vorwerk

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TRISTAN:

(Marco wrote:)
> In some countries like Italy, where we have a very dedicated editor of the
> relevant comic book (and YES that is Lidia Cannatella all right!!!) we even
> sometimes get EVERYTHING i. e. both the splash panels AND (on a separate
> page) the replacement panels with extra gags.
>
> But I'd say that the one-part version is usually the better one if you have
> to choose...

If you like having everything Don Rosa did in a story, you should have
*both* versions, but the three part version is less interesting indeed. It
looks a bit silly sometimes, when the splash panel is almost identical to
a small panel printed before; especially when the 3 parts are in the same
issue... I myself consider the one-part version as the "real" story. The
version with the splash panel is just made for Egmont. After all, Barks
never did any story in several parts...

Francois

GARY:
> Let's be clear about this: Gary Gabner is not a translator, nor has he
ever
> sought credit for anything other than what he's actually done on any
story.

I know he's not a translator. I thought his job was to americanize dialogue
written by non-Americans, since all Egmont-produced stories already are
written in English. (I've even heard that Chris Spencer rewrite the
dialogue in scripts by most European authors.) I didn't know you don't get
the original dialogues, and I can't understand why not?
I agree with you when you say " If another publisher chooses to base a
version of a story on an "Americanized"
rescripting, the rescripter goddam well ought to be credited for
something!" I just think the rescripter should be credited for what he has
actually done. So in G.'s magazines that would be rewriting or
Americanizing dialogue, whereas it would be as one of the authors when the
rewritten version gets published in Italy.

Best,
Per-Erik

"--- === --- -= = = -= =-=- =-= - =-- =--- =-== ---..."
--lotsa guys in 1935

Hello,

Arthur wrote:

> There is a B-coded story in the DcD, actually an Italian
> reprint of a Brazilian story:
>
> B 870069 ? DA Rit:Paperina E La Gara Nel Deserto
> | it: TL 1797* (Paperina E La Gara Nel Deserto)
>
> Could anyone versed in Italian issues (Paolo?) tell me if its
> plot is about a desert race with mechanical horses, featuring
> Scrooge, Donald, Daisy, HDL and Rockerduck?

Bingo! That's your story, in my DB I have the following infos:B 870069
14 pages in a 3 rows of panels, the italian title is"Paperina E La
Gara Nel Deserto" and the appearing characters are DA,DD,US,HDL and
Rockerduck, plot: US organizes a horse race in the desert.

Ciao,

- Paolo