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Bror Hellman
> Several Norwegian newspapers had stories yesterday about
> the culturally significant event which took place
> Wednesday December 1 1948: the magazine (then monthly)
> Donald Duck & Co was introduced here. (Was it one month
> later in Sweden and Denmark? Will these occasions me
> marked in these countries as well?)

No, in Sweden the first issue was released in September 1948,
and, no, it hasn't been merked in any particuar way (except
among us donaldists, of course.)

the Mickey Mouse 70yr Jubilee in November have been more noted
in Sweden.

Steamboat Willie

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Kriton Kyrimis
DAVID KING:

Re: Gladstone - Caveat emptor

> So now I'm $20 Australian out of pocket with nothing to
> show for it. Caveat emptor.

This should probably read "Post Office - Caveat emptor". Over the
years, I have failed to receive more than one subscription issue from
Gladstone. After waiting for a reasonable amount of time, I would write
to them, and they would *always* send me a replacement copy, no
questions asked, even during the Disney years, where Gladstone were
only handling Disney's subscriptions.

The fact that you were asked to return the album may be an indication
of the current bad times: A couple of years ago, when they had sent me
a wrong copy of an album, Gladstone told me to keep it, with their
compliments, and they sent me the correct album free of charge!

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
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Schneiderath
Hello everyone!

Just right for this time of the year we have a Goodie on our webpages

Please check the Surprise Section on our DUCKhunt pages:

http://abyss.tobit.net/thorben/DUCKhunt/Main/index.html

(I know the page could maybe look nicer...but it is the "inneer values
that count" right?)

Have much fun!

Mike
Michael Naiman
Any ML members have a Spanish language version of LO$...willing to trade
for stateside versions of Duck books.

Even though I am 15 minutes from the Mexican border, no luck in finding
anything so far...que lastima!
Donald Ault
In response to the query by Nils Lid Hjort:

Tom Andrae and I are both working on book-length literary/cultural analyses
of Barks' work. There is also a very fine short book in German by David
Kunzle that has been out for several years. I'm sorry I don't have a copy
here at home to provide you with the exact title. Since I presented my paper
on Barks and the psychoanalytic theories of Jacques Lacan at the Comics
Culture conference at the University of Copenhagen this past September, I've
been contacted by several scholars regarding that work. I suspect that there
is a good bit of work being done on Barks at the graduate and professorial
level but that often the people working in that area do not know about or
belong to this list.

Don Ault
Marco Barlotti
>
>* Has Goofy ever been portrayed as having (had) a son,
> in any Disney comic?

Yes, even apart the "Goof Troop" series. I remember a comic book from the
sixties where Goofy teaches his son how to catch a lion, in a simulation
(not noticing that there IS really a lion). This too however was taken from
a cartoon.

>* Has Pegleg Pete (alias Black Pete, etc.) ever been
> featured as having had a son? Or a nephew, for that
> matter?

Apart from the same "Goof Troop" series, Pete has two nephews (Pierino &
Pieretto!) in recent Italian stories.

Marco
Rob Gibson
Being caught up for the first time in two months, I'll comment on a
couple recent issues.
Regarding the discussion of Halloween, it is my understanding that it
once was a harvest festival that was co-opted by Christianity (as was
Winter Solstice/Saturnalia by Christmas, Spring Fertility rites/planting
festival by Easter).

I once read an article that claimed that witches were originally female
pagan "earth mothers" or high priestesses, and were demonized by the
male hierarchy of the Christian Church as a threat to their power.
Hence witches are portrayed as women possessing evil powers.
The Mexican "Day of the Dead"(day of worship of one's ancestors) is a
somewhat different twist on the theme of All Saints Day/Halloween.
Is that where the graveyard/skeletons theme comes from?

Regarding artists doing "covers" of earlier stories: I notice
Shakespeare cropping up in a number of movies and comic stories. "Lion
King" is based roughly on "Hamlet". The sequel is said to be based on
another Shakespearean play, the title of which escapes me for the
moment. Barks makes reference to the Bard on occasion("Halloween" and
WDC 128 come to mind).
Shakespeare himself based many of his works on earlier dramas. "Romeo
and Juliet" had been done many times before he did a version.

Regarding the cartoon where Donald's warrantee runs out just before his
car breaks down: I recall one where his water heater starts leaking the
day after that warrantee expires. I think it was an early fifties Comics
and Stories one pager. I don't know if that helps. I'll keep my eye open
for it.

I found the Gladstone/Donald stories interesting in that it usually had
to be a win/win ending, sometimes with Donald winning bigger than
Gladstone(Salmon Derby). Often one of them wins the "contest", but the
other wins in a bigger arena(Sourdough Burro contest). Sometimes
Gladstone would "lose" by winning. Reminds me of the saying "Be careful
what you wish for...you may get it."
Personally, I preferred the older Gladstone(WDC 88, WDC 95). He seemed
to me more "human", more rounded.

Rob Gibson
"Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble,
fire burn and cauldron bubble;
"Eye of needle, tongue of shoe,
hand of clock that points to two;
neck of bottle, tail of coat,
and whiskeres from yon billygoat;" -Witch Hazel, "Halloween"
Xephyr
NILS LID HJORT asked:
> * Has Goofy ever been portrayed as having (had) a son,
> in any Disney comic? (Or is the person asking the
> question merely confusing such a figure with
> the smart-alec nephew Ferdinand?)
>
> * Has Pegleg Pete (alias Black Pete, etc.) ever been
> featured as having had a son? Or a nephew, for that
> matter?

HARRY FLUKS answered:
> In the TV series "Goof Troop", both characters have sons
> (Goofy's son is called Max). There have been quite a few
> "Goof Troop" comic stories. Some of them (the French ones)
> are surprisingly good.

However, my own research has turned up even more.

In the U.S., aside for the comicbook depictions of Max
(a.k.a. Goofy Junior) and P.J. (Pete Junior) from the
animated series GOOF TROOP, I have found the comicbook
retelling of the cartoon "The Goofy Adventure Story"
(Dell Four Color) #857 (Nov. 1957) as "Goofy Jr" (not
Max) and in "Walt Disney's Comics and Stories" #21
(June, 1942) in the comicbook adaptation of the cartoon
"Bell Boy Donald" where he is called "Pete Junior" (not
P.J.).

I suspect that the smart-alec nephew Ferdinand you are
talking about is the same as the American version called
"Gilbert" (NOTE: I discovered that the French and Italian
translations of "The Goofy Adventure Story" have reassigned
the role of Goofy Junior to Gilbert and the same may be
true in other translations, but the American version was
true to the cartoon). Another nephew of Goofy's, who seems
to be an early version of Gilbert, was named Roderick, and
another named Marmaduke. As for Pete, in Italy he has a
pair of twin nephews who occassionally appear in Topolino
comics or by them selves named Pierino & Pieretto.

For more information see:
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/max.html
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/pj.html
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/goofy.html
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/pete.html

Cheers, Rich
Vidar Svendsen
> I once read an article that claimed that witches were originally female
>pagan "earth mothers" or high priestesses, and were demonized by the
<snip>

I don't think I'll comment this even though I'd like to...

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Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven

And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
RMorris306
In a message dated 12/2/98 9:53:22 AM, Harry writes:

<<
> * Has Goofy ever been portrayed as having (had) a son
> * Has Pegleg Pete (alias Black Pete, etc.) ever been
> featured as having had a son?

In the TV series "Goof Troop", both characters have sons (Goofy's son is
called Max). There have been quite a few "Goof Troop" comic stories. Some of
them (the French ones) are surprisingly good.
>>

In addition to which, several Disney cartoons of the '50's featured Goofy as
a family man ("Mr. Geef") with a wife and a son. And the cartoon "Bellboy
Donald" cast Pete as a senator who was a guest in a hotel where Donald Duck
was a bellboy, with a young son who made life *very* difficult for the title
character.
I don't know about either cartoon (or series) being adapted to comics, but I
suspect Goofy at least was cast as a father...especially in the "Goofy
Adventures" series casting him as famous characters of history and legend.
Didn't he fill in for at least some (William Tell?) who definitely *had* sons?

Rich Morrissey
Chuck Munson
Hi Everyone!

Nils wrote:
How much has been written or published, in different countries,
of the type "literary analysis project" about Disney Comics?

Other than the forums which you mentioned in your posting, I'd see if
Didier Ghez has anything listed on his Disney Books Network site; I
believe the address is www.pizarro.net/didier. I haven't checked it
lately, so can't say what may be helpful to you.

You also posed these questions/comments:
* Has Goofy ever been portrayed as having (had) a son,
in any Disney comic? (Or is the person asking the
question merely confusing such a figure with
the smart-alec nephew Ferdinand?)
* Has Pegleg Pete (alias Black Pete, etc.) ever been
featured as having had a son? Or a nephew, for that matter?
By the way, I found myself claiming on radio yesterday
that "yes, but Big Bad Wolf *is* a good father".
Disagreeing comments or conflicting opinions?

In the comics can't add anything other than the Goof Troop stories
Harry mentioned, although some of the Goofy shorts from the fifties
(the "domestic comedy" shorts) featured both wife and son. BTW, is
Ferdinand the Norwegian name for Gilbert (aka Gilly)?

As far as Black Pete goes, I seem to remember a story from the 50's
where Pete had a nephew. I hope I'm remembering this correctly. It
would have been in one of the US MM issues. Does anyone else recall
this?

BBW a good father? Hmmm, well he does show concern for LBW's
well-being. Of course, his ideas of proper upbringing are decidedly
skewed from "our" point of view, so he isn't doing LBW any favors.
One could argue that LBW is turning out well in spite of his father's
"best" intentions! Doesn't that sound strange?

Chuck Munson

P.S. Didier, Rich B., Arthur, Dean R., Archontis and anyone else on
the list I've been corresponding with, please note the new e-address.
I changed jobs at the end of July and realized after I left that I had
not contacted everyone or saved all my e-addresses!

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Teme (www.Conk.Com/world/teme)
> That's certainly not what I remember. Probably over half of Donald's
> stories (at least Barks' and Rosa's) do end happily for Donald, or at least
> reasonably so...particularly if you count the Uncle Scrooge stories. And I've
> rarely if ever known Gladstone's good luck to fail him at the end of a story.
> Occasionally Donald does even better than he does ("Luck of the North," "The
> Golden Nugget Boat," "The Gilded Man"), or neither one ends up with that much
> ("Secret of Hondorica"), but he always does well...and often even Donald's
> apparent good luck at Gladstone's expense ultimately proves illusory (Barks'
> untitled golf story, Rosa's "Oolated Luck").

As i said it was just my impression and I certainly don't have enough
experience/resources/stories to back up it by any facts. I just
remembered all those stories where Donald becomes master of some
profession and then he crashes and burns -> hence Donald's bad luck. But
what comes to Gladstone I don't remember many (if any except Barks's
that one story when Gladstone and Daisy help out Grandma Duck) stories
where Gladstone would appear without Donald. In these, it seems, that
Gladstone's success is dictated more by Donald's actions than
Gladstone's. If Donald decides to play dirty he'll eventually lose. If
Donald plays straight he'll usually win (Gladstone's luck fails him). If
they both play dirty neither one wins (again Gladstone's luck fails) and
this is how ended up with my opinion... not much on the facts department
though...

Teme
Fluks, H.W.
Today I bought the new Dutch album OOM DAGOBERT #60. It's another all-Rosa
album, this time called "the travelling adventures of US" Some remarks:

Contents: Back to Plain Awful, and The Crocodile Collector.

Cover: a modified version of Don's Gladstone cover for the Pizarro story
(USA 22).
On the title page a detail from the cover for the Hondorica story (DDA 21).
Apparently, they try to get as much Rosa in as possible, even when that
means cutting up cover drawings and using them for other purposes.

The editorial text says that Don only winks to old Barks stories in "The
Crocodile Collector". They didn't know that the whole story was based on a
Barks cover!

The story "Return to Plain Awful" was printed using the German version,
which means that several panels are missing...

Apart from that, the album looks quite attractive.

--Harry.

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Dr. Archontis Pantsios
Fellow Quackeroos:

I received the other day the German album "Happy Birthday Micky Maus: 1998"
(thanks Mike!) with stories by Floyd Gottfredson, Paul Murry, Noel Van Horn,
and...???

Well, the contents section of the album claims that the second and fourth
stories were both drawn by Murry. While they are correct on "Adventure on
Turtle Island", MM #80, they seem to be off the mark regarding the last
story titled "The Vanishing Bandit". While Murry did draw a story with a
similar title, my Murry index refers to a different MM issue than the one
mentioned in that album (MM #54).

First, a few words about "Adventure on Turtle Island": this turned out to be
a story that I had read as a kid, and being able to see it again after 30
years or so was a great treat for me. I believe the art in that story shows
Murry at his best. The story itself is not that spectacular, but the images
of Mickey with Mortie and Ferdie and the two villains in that mountain cave
stirred special emotions from a more innocent era. I also noticed that the
first 3-4 pages of the 10-page story followed along similar lines with
Barks' "Travelling Truants", from WDC&S #169. In Murry's story, however,
Mortie and Ferdie meet up with different troubles (and the two villains)
than in the Barks one.

The last story also credited to Murry can't possibly be Murry--that would
greatly surprise me. In that story, Mickey and Goofy are private detectives
and offer their helping hand in catching a jewlery thief that turns out to
be Black Pete.The art style doesn't resemble Murry's style, and if I had to
make a guess I'd say Jack Bradbury. Can anyone from Germany (or anywhere
else for that matter) identify the correct artist?

Cheers,

Archontis
Fluks, H.W.
Archontis:

> they seem to be off the mark regarding the last
> story titled "The Vanishing Bandit". While Murry did draw a story with a
> similar title, my Murry index refers to a different MM issue than the one
> mentioned in that album (MM #54).
>
The Disney comics Database has the following data about that story:
W MM 54-04, 12 pages, art Tony Strobl, ink Lee Hooper, MM "The Vanishing
Bandit".

It's quite rare that a story by Strobl was inked by Hooper (usually it's
Liggera or Steere). That may be the reason that the art looks a bit
"strange".

--Harry.
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