> I don't have anything against real places. But Carl Barks (like any
other Disney-artist except Don Rosa)=20
> I think never put real persons with their actual names in his stories.
Sure, he drew himself; but he didn't=20
> name this side-characters Carl Barks!
Well, I can't say about Carl Barks, but among other artists, it's quite
common...
Both historical and inside-jokes... =20
> =09
> What Don Rosa did was to use Taliaferro and Osborne for an
insider-joke that=20
> couldn't be understood by anyone apart from the DML. He didn't honor
them,=20
> because no other readers could understand who Taliaferro and Osborne
really were.
> =09
Well, the world of disney comic fans are *not* confined to this list.
Not in any way. And there are more people out there who can identfy and
who can
recognize Taliaferro and Osborne.
And, yes, it's an honour, in my opinion, to have a hommage like that.
And I know, because there are precedents.. Just like the times when=20
Herg=E9 put real people in his comics.. herg=E9 himself felt honoured whe=
n=20
he appeared in other peoples work.. So much that he thanked them for=20
that..
> >>On the other hand, if someone in a country far, far away think I
> don't=20
>>deserve this honor... well...=A0=A0 I would be a little sad...=A0 It wo=
uld
feel like=20
>>they didn't think I deserved it... no.. it would feel even worse... I
would=20
>>think they *really* did everything they could to take away that
honor...
> And just because YOU feel that way you think Osborne and Taliaferro=20
> would have felt the same? Don't you think that's a pretty
presumptuous?
No, I didn't say that. I said what *I* would feel if I were in similar
shoes.
But *you* are pretty presumptious to put meanings like that
in my mouth and to think no one else could feel like that, just
because *you* don't like that.
> You may speak for Don Rosa, whose addict you seem to be,
> but not for people you never met.
I'm not addicted to Don Rosa, wherever did you get that idea?=20
Are you addicted to Fuchs? Are you addicted to being angry=20
about trivialities all the time?
I'm addicted to Disney-comics, that's why I'm here on this list.
That=B4s why most of us here are on this list.=20
If you don't want ordinary fans on this list, well, then I suppose we
can go somewhere else...
Of *course* I don't speak for Don Rosa, he is a grown up and
can speak better for himself that I ever could.=20
Whatever made you think *that*?=20
Steamboat Willie
Author
Topic: 199812
(157 messages)
Bror Hellman
Disney comics Digest V98 #285
Message 46 -
1998-12-07 at 12:35:14
Don Rosa
"Cutty SARK"
Message 47 -
1998-12-07 at 17:13:00
I thought I should announce this in "self defense".
In a week or two, my story "The Cowboy Captain of the Cutty Sark" will
appear in all Egmont editions. This is a new episode in the "Life of
$crooge", this chapter taking place in Java in 1883. In my original script,
ALL names, places, dates and facts are absolutely authentic after much
research. In particular, the centerpiece of the story is the actual Cutty
Sark, the world famous clipper ship, the greatest sailing ship in history by
most accounts, which *still exists* and is a great historical treasure and
tourist attraction in England.
Now I need to warn you German fans that it's been reported to me that the
name "Cutty Sark" is not going to be used in Germany because "sark", so I'm
told, means "coffin" in German. I understand this word will be too
disturbing for the readers of the German edition, so
it cannot be used. And given that sort of editorial policy, I'm sure that
this is the correct decision.
But I have asked the German editors to please change my name in the credits
on the story to a name with a sound that the readers will find more pleasant
and jolly. This will make my stories more popular, of course... I wish I'd
thought of it sooner. I hope they have good response to this new idea for
giving creator credits.
In a week or two, my story "The Cowboy Captain of the Cutty Sark" will
appear in all Egmont editions. This is a new episode in the "Life of
$crooge", this chapter taking place in Java in 1883. In my original script,
ALL names, places, dates and facts are absolutely authentic after much
research. In particular, the centerpiece of the story is the actual Cutty
Sark, the world famous clipper ship, the greatest sailing ship in history by
most accounts, which *still exists* and is a great historical treasure and
tourist attraction in England.
Now I need to warn you German fans that it's been reported to me that the
name "Cutty Sark" is not going to be used in Germany because "sark", so I'm
told, means "coffin" in German. I understand this word will be too
disturbing for the readers of the German edition, so
it cannot be used. And given that sort of editorial policy, I'm sure that
this is the correct decision.
But I have asked the German editors to please change my name in the credits
on the story to a name with a sound that the readers will find more pleasant
and jolly. This will make my stories more popular, of course... I wish I'd
thought of it sooner. I hope they have good response to this new idea for
giving creator credits.
Fluks, H.W.
MM "Flying Bat" story
Message 48 -
1998-12-07 at 19:51:20
Rob G:
> The Mickey Mouse story "Secret Mission" was published in WDC #45 to
> #48 (June 1944 to September 1944). My notes, probably from a 1968
> Malcolm Willits interview, indicate it was originally published as a
> comic strip in 1943.
That's right. We call it "YM 057" in our Database.
It ran from 43-07-19 to 43-10-23 in the newspapers. Written by Walsh, drawn
by Gottfredson, inked by Moores. The only other known reprint is in the
Dutch fanzine "Stripschrift" in 1976.
--Harry.
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> The Mickey Mouse story "Secret Mission" was published in WDC #45 to
> #48 (June 1944 to September 1944). My notes, probably from a 1968
> Malcolm Willits interview, indicate it was originally published as a
> comic strip in 1943.
That's right. We call it "YM 057" in our Database.
It ran from 43-07-19 to 43-10-23 in the newspapers. Written by Walsh, drawn
by Gottfredson, inked by Moores. The only other known reprint is in the
Dutch fanzine "Stripschrift" in 1976.
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Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #287
Message 49 -
1998-12-08 at 11:57:53
JOACHIM STAHL:
> The German Weekly hasn't changed the names of Osborne and Taliaferro, as
> Don Rosa and Kriton pretend.
There is a saying in Greek, which, loosely translated, says: "he who
has the fly gets stung". (Where in my posting did you see any reference
to the German Weekly or any magazine other than Komix?)
As it should have been clear from my and Don's postings:
a. I only translated that article, so I certainly do not pretend
anything.
b. Don denounced that particular paragraph as something inserted by the
Komix staff. This can be verified by Archontis' posting of the
original English version of the article. Therefore, he should not be
accused for something that he did not say.
I think it would be best if we discontinued this thread, as I'm sure
neither of us would like to be the first to start a flame war in this
list. If you feel that the comments printed in Komix really refer to
the German Weekly, I'd recommend taking up the matter with them. (Rest
assured that the translation was as accurate as I could make it, and
that those comments really were there.) The only reason I posted the
translation was to share all the interesting tidbits on the background
of the story, and not to offend anyone, so please do not shoot the
messenger!
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"I am not interested in the beliefs of primitives--only in what they *taste*
like!"
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> The German Weekly hasn't changed the names of Osborne and Taliaferro, as
> Don Rosa and Kriton pretend.
There is a saying in Greek, which, loosely translated, says: "he who
has the fly gets stung". (Where in my posting did you see any reference
to the German Weekly or any magazine other than Komix?)
As it should have been clear from my and Don's postings:
a. I only translated that article, so I certainly do not pretend
anything.
b. Don denounced that particular paragraph as something inserted by the
Komix staff. This can be verified by Archontis' posting of the
original English version of the article. Therefore, he should not be
accused for something that he did not say.
I think it would be best if we discontinued this thread, as I'm sure
neither of us would like to be the first to start a flame war in this
list. If you feel that the comments printed in Komix really refer to
the German Weekly, I'd recommend taking up the matter with them. (Rest
assured that the translation was as accurate as I could make it, and
that those comments really were there.) The only reason I posted the
translation was to share all the interesting tidbits on the background
of the story, and not to offend anyone, so please do not shoot the
messenger!
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I am not interested in the beliefs of primitives--only in what they *taste*
like!"
-----
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #289
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Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #288
Message 50 -
1998-12-08 at 12:10:35
OLE:
> The other story idea referred to BTW was connected with the building of
> the Aswan dam, which some people thought Barks had made a story about too.
> I believe this was due to a confusion between "Only A Poor Old Man" and
> background details from "The Mummy's Ring"?
>
> At the time no-one commented on the possible relation between the
> stories, and I have not been able to find other contributions on
> the subject in my archived digests, but there are a few issues missing
> and they are in no way as searchable as the database which gave the
> dates.
According to a note in the B&W CBL, Barks had considered writing an
Aswan Dam story, wich would have had many similarities to Scarpa's
Colossus of the Nile. I'd written a letter to Gladstone describing
this story, asking whether Scarpa had been aware of Barks' aborted
story, to which Scarpa himself replied that he had not. Besides, the
idea of cutting up the statues originated with Scarpa himself, as
people had not thought about this alternative at that time, and had
been considering other, less effective, solutions to the problem of
saving the statues from the flood. It would have been interesting if
both Barks and Scarpa had written a story where Scrooge would try to
save the statues. Would they have both come up with the same method?
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I am not interested in the beliefs of primitives--only in what they *taste*
like!"
-----
> The other story idea referred to BTW was connected with the building of
> the Aswan dam, which some people thought Barks had made a story about too.
> I believe this was due to a confusion between "Only A Poor Old Man" and
> background details from "The Mummy's Ring"?
>
> At the time no-one commented on the possible relation between the
> stories, and I have not been able to find other contributions on
> the subject in my archived digests, but there are a few issues missing
> and they are in no way as searchable as the database which gave the
> dates.
According to a note in the B&W CBL, Barks had considered writing an
Aswan Dam story, wich would have had many similarities to Scarpa's
Colossus of the Nile. I'd written a letter to Gladstone describing
this story, asking whether Scarpa had been aware of Barks' aborted
story, to which Scarpa himself replied that he had not. Besides, the
idea of cutting up the statues originated with Scarpa himself, as
people had not thought about this alternative at that time, and had
been considering other, less effective, solutions to the problem of
saving the statues from the flood. It would have been interesting if
both Barks and Scarpa had written a story where Scrooge would try to
save the statues. Would they have both come up with the same method?
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I am not interested in the beliefs of primitives--only in what they *taste*
like!"
-----
Jeff Conner
MM Strip Continuity
Message 51 -
1998-12-08 at 13:45:18
Seems that the Mickey strip has gotten continuity! Pete's sister Petula
wants to get even with Mickey for all the unfair things he's done to
Pete over the years. This story has been going on since November 30. You
can check it out on the Mercury page in my sig file. Also you can check
out 2 weeks of strips if you create a Comics Cornucopia page (also in my
sig).
BTW, could any of you indexing folks tell me who did the art for this
story and when it originally appeared, if it isn't original?
Later,
Jeff C
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wants to get even with Mickey for all the unfair things he's done to
Pete over the years. This story has been going on since November 30. You
can check it out on the Mercury page in my sig file. Also you can check
out 2 weeks of strips if you create a Comics Cornucopia page (also in my
sig).
BTW, could any of you indexing folks tell me who did the art for this
story and when it originally appeared, if it isn't original?
Later,
Jeff C
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Dr. Archontis Pantsios
Pleasure & Dance
Message 52 -
1998-12-08 at 15:22:07
ROB:
> This story expanded my vocabulary. As Mickey and Pete, in the midst of
>a midair fight, slip and slide all over the plane's oily wing, Mickey
>says "Pete, this is no time for terpischore." Terpischore is the Greek
>mythological Muse of dancing and singing.
I know I may be splitting hairs here, but to be exact, the name is
*TERPSICHORI*, not *TERPISCHORI".
TERPSICHORI: TERPSIS (meaning pleasure) + CHOROS (meaning dance).
Cheers,
Archontis
> This story expanded my vocabulary. As Mickey and Pete, in the midst of
>a midair fight, slip and slide all over the plane's oily wing, Mickey
>says "Pete, this is no time for terpischore." Terpischore is the Greek
>mythological Muse of dancing and singing.
I know I may be splitting hairs here, but to be exact, the name is
*TERPSICHORI*, not *TERPISCHORI".
TERPSICHORI: TERPSIS (meaning pleasure) + CHOROS (meaning dance).
Cheers,
Archontis
Nils Lid Hjort
Cutty Sark, the new Donner Rosig story
Message 53 -
1998-12-08 at 16:05:42
<<But I have asked the German editors to please change my name in the credits
on the story to a name with a sound that the readers will find more pleasant
and jolly. This will make my stories more popular, of course... I wish I'd
thought of it sooner. I hope they have good response to this new idea for
giving creator credits.>>
... sighs Donner Roeslein.
I can understand and accept the reasons given by
EHAPA to change the names of the two non-significant
fictional characters in Don Rosa's Junior Woodchuck
story. But changing "Cutty Sark" into something
more German-sounding is clearly another matter,
and wrong, imVho. Yes, Germans and everyone else
making it to the final verse of Heinrich Heine's
Dichterliebe (recommended!) automatically have other
associations in their brians to "Sark". Fine & unavoidable
and not at all a problem even for seven year old Germans;
they know perfectly well there are other languages
on the planet. And Cutty Sark was an existing (and even
well-known) object.
This is similar to the very unfortunate changing
of the mythological "harpyes" into "larkies" in
Barks' Golden Fleecing story (US #12). (Which it
is time to change back, in the (n+1)st reprinting.)
Nils Lid Hjort
on the story to a name with a sound that the readers will find more pleasant
and jolly. This will make my stories more popular, of course... I wish I'd
thought of it sooner. I hope they have good response to this new idea for
giving creator credits.>>
... sighs Donner Roeslein.
I can understand and accept the reasons given by
EHAPA to change the names of the two non-significant
fictional characters in Don Rosa's Junior Woodchuck
story. But changing "Cutty Sark" into something
more German-sounding is clearly another matter,
and wrong, imVho. Yes, Germans and everyone else
making it to the final verse of Heinrich Heine's
Dichterliebe (recommended!) automatically have other
associations in their brians to "Sark". Fine & unavoidable
and not at all a problem even for seven year old Germans;
they know perfectly well there are other languages
on the planet. And Cutty Sark was an existing (and even
well-known) object.
This is similar to the very unfortunate changing
of the mythological "harpyes" into "larkies" in
Barks' Golden Fleecing story (US #12). (Which it
is time to change back, in the (n+1)st reprinting.)
Nils Lid Hjort
Fluks, H.W.
Archontsichori
Message 54 -
1998-12-08 at 16:54:32
Archontis:
> I know I may be splitting hairs here, but to be exact, the name is
> *TERPSICHORI*, not *TERPISCHORI".
Let me split one more hair: the Western European transcription is based on
the ancient Greek, hence it's TerpsichorE. If it were *modern* Greek, it
would be TerpsichorI.
--Harry.
(Professional nitpicker)
> I know I may be splitting hairs here, but to be exact, the name is
> *TERPSICHORI*, not *TERPISCHORI".
Let me split one more hair: the Western European transcription is based on
the ancient Greek, hence it's TerpsichorE. If it were *modern* Greek, it
would be TerpsichorI.
--Harry.
(Professional nitpicker)
Juha Viikki
Dialects
Message 55 -
1998-12-08 at 18:08:33
Hi everybody!
An interesting Disney album just came out in Finland. I wonder if you
have something similar in your own countries.
The album has 50 pages and it includes six Duck stories by Carl Barks,
all of which have appeared in Finnish Disney comics several times
before. So there's nothing new about the stories themselves.
What makes the album so interesting is the language. The stories have
been translated to a special dialect of Finnish which is spoken in
Pohjanmaa, on the eastern coast of the Gulf of Bothnia. The dialect is
quite different from the "normal" Finnish language, full of hilarious
words and expressions. I find the album extremely funny.
The idea of translating comics from Finnish to a dialect is not new,
though. I also have an Asterix album whose characters speak Savo,
another Finnish dialect. As far as I know, in that case the idea of
using a dialect came from France, where Asterix has also been translated
to some dialects. At least that's what I've heard. Correct me if I'm
wrong.
My question is: How common is this? Are there any other examples of
Disney comics using dialects? Perhaps in France?
Juha
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An interesting Disney album just came out in Finland. I wonder if you
have something similar in your own countries.
The album has 50 pages and it includes six Duck stories by Carl Barks,
all of which have appeared in Finnish Disney comics several times
before. So there's nothing new about the stories themselves.
What makes the album so interesting is the language. The stories have
been translated to a special dialect of Finnish which is spoken in
Pohjanmaa, on the eastern coast of the Gulf of Bothnia. The dialect is
quite different from the "normal" Finnish language, full of hilarious
words and expressions. I find the album extremely funny.
The idea of translating comics from Finnish to a dialect is not new,
though. I also have an Asterix album whose characters speak Savo,
another Finnish dialect. As far as I know, in that case the idea of
using a dialect came from France, where Asterix has also been translated
to some dialects. At least that's what I've heard. Correct me if I'm
wrong.
My question is: How common is this? Are there any other examples of
Disney comics using dialects? Perhaps in France?
Juha
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Francois Willot
Dialects
Message 56 -
1998-12-08 at 20:18:30
Juha Viikki a =E9crit:
> As far as I know, in that case the idea of
> using a dialect came from France, where Asterix has also
> been translated to some dialects. At least that's what I've
> heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Asterix has been translated in different dialects, including breton I
think. But I can't think of any Disney comic in Breton or in any other
dialect used in France.
Francois
> As far as I know, in that case the idea of
> using a dialect came from France, where Asterix has also
> been translated to some dialects. At least that's what I've
> heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Asterix has been translated in different dialects, including breton I
think. But I can't think of any Disney comic in Breton or in any other
dialect used in France.
Francois
Joakim Gunnarsson
Nazi-vikings on Gotland!!!
Message 57 -
1998-12-08 at 23:22:14
Hi, all!
I've been following this discussion about the names of Taliaferro and
Osborne in Rosas story, and I what more can I say than that it was a bad
move to remove the names in the German edition. (But what irritates me the
most is the way Mr Stahl is defending the reasons for doing it. Why, oh,
why? I just dont see any *logic* in what he writes.)
But... *sometimes* I think it's neccessary to remove and change names of
persons and places in Disney comics. The example I have in front of me is
the latest issue of the italian "Paperinik" #24 [se: 2/99]. I happen to
edit the swedish edition of that comic and this time I just *had* to make
changes.
Why? you might ask.
The italian original script said that she story should take place on
Swedens largest island, that is called "Gotland".(That island exist.)
Further; the people living on that island was portrayed as some kind of
*nazi-vikings*!!!
(People that are active in nazigroups [Yep, kids, such people *still*
exists all over europe.] here in scandinavia often wears viking symbols. I
guess the italian script writer had no idea that this is the case.)
Now suddenly in this comic the people of Gotland and Sweden is portrayed as
these vikings.In a Disney book!!!
And in the end the heroine of this story *blows* the swedes up. How she
does it?
She is a living "bomb", or Ragnarok as the story says. And she explodes!
A girl commiting suicide! In a Disney book!!! (Well she actually survives
[don't ask me how], no-one is killed in that story except lots of
swedes...)
I hope this short summary of what was going on in the story makes you
understand why sometimes changes are neccesary. (And to you Italians who
bought Paperinik #24: More than 99,99% of the swedish people are *not*
Nazis, in case you wondered after having read the story.)
With the risk of having a zillion phone calls from people living on Gotland
I decided that we are going to replace all references to vikings, Gotland
and Sweden in the story. Probably with all fictional stuff and names.
So my question to YOU my dear DcD-list fellows is:
Do you think this was the right solution or should I have used the original
script?
/Joakim Gunnarsson,
Malmo, Sweden.
I've been following this discussion about the names of Taliaferro and
Osborne in Rosas story, and I what more can I say than that it was a bad
move to remove the names in the German edition. (But what irritates me the
most is the way Mr Stahl is defending the reasons for doing it. Why, oh,
why? I just dont see any *logic* in what he writes.)
But... *sometimes* I think it's neccessary to remove and change names of
persons and places in Disney comics. The example I have in front of me is
the latest issue of the italian "Paperinik" #24 [se: 2/99]. I happen to
edit the swedish edition of that comic and this time I just *had* to make
changes.
Why? you might ask.
The italian original script said that she story should take place on
Swedens largest island, that is called "Gotland".(That island exist.)
Further; the people living on that island was portrayed as some kind of
*nazi-vikings*!!!
(People that are active in nazigroups [Yep, kids, such people *still*
exists all over europe.] here in scandinavia often wears viking symbols. I
guess the italian script writer had no idea that this is the case.)
Now suddenly in this comic the people of Gotland and Sweden is portrayed as
these vikings.In a Disney book!!!
And in the end the heroine of this story *blows* the swedes up. How she
does it?
She is a living "bomb", or Ragnarok as the story says. And she explodes!
A girl commiting suicide! In a Disney book!!! (Well she actually survives
[don't ask me how], no-one is killed in that story except lots of
swedes...)
I hope this short summary of what was going on in the story makes you
understand why sometimes changes are neccesary. (And to you Italians who
bought Paperinik #24: More than 99,99% of the swedish people are *not*
Nazis, in case you wondered after having read the story.)
With the risk of having a zillion phone calls from people living on Gotland
I decided that we are going to replace all references to vikings, Gotland
and Sweden in the story. Probably with all fictional stuff and names.
So my question to YOU my dear DcD-list fellows is:
Do you think this was the right solution or should I have used the original
script?
/Joakim Gunnarsson,
Malmo, Sweden.
SSchridde
Disney comics Digest V98 #289
Message 58 -
1998-12-09 at 01:29:14
Don:
> name "Cutty Sark" is not going to be used in Germany because "sark", so I'm
> told, means "coffin" in German. I understand this word will be too
> disturbing for the readers of the German edition, so
> it cannot be used. And given that sort of editorial policy, I'm sure that
> this is the correct decision.
This point is only half true, in my opinion...
coffin in German is "Sarg", not "Sark"
but admittedly, the pronounciation is very similar.
<<<But I have asked the German editors to please change my
name in the credits
on the story to a name with a sound that the readers will find more
pleasant
and jolly. This will make my stories more popular, of course... I
wish I'd
thought of it sooner. I hope they have good response to this new
idea for
giving creator credits.>>>
OK, you're sarcastic as the change of details in your stories hurt
you as a fan and author.
In the matter itself my opinion is somewhere "between the lines"...
I see the point that foreign sounding names are very unusual for
normal (not foreign) characters in Germany ...
but I also find every change of one of your stories as a loss...
But where is the use...
The ridiculous comment of the German editor (?) has gotten its
response it deserved by several list members...
it's clear that that "German" uttering is a piece of shame,
at least an answer of a person not willing to open itself to other
opinions and feelings. And of course he put the oil in the fire
But why putting further oil in the flames without actual reason?
your fan
Soeren
> name "Cutty Sark" is not going to be used in Germany because "sark", so I'm
> told, means "coffin" in German. I understand this word will be too
> disturbing for the readers of the German edition, so
> it cannot be used. And given that sort of editorial policy, I'm sure that
> this is the correct decision.
This point is only half true, in my opinion...
coffin in German is "Sarg", not "Sark"
but admittedly, the pronounciation is very similar.
<<<But I have asked the German editors to please change my
name in the credits
on the story to a name with a sound that the readers will find more
pleasant
and jolly. This will make my stories more popular, of course... I
wish I'd
thought of it sooner. I hope they have good response to this new
idea for
giving creator credits.>>>
OK, you're sarcastic as the change of details in your stories hurt
you as a fan and author.
In the matter itself my opinion is somewhere "between the lines"...
I see the point that foreign sounding names are very unusual for
normal (not foreign) characters in Germany ...
but I also find every change of one of your stories as a loss...
But where is the use...
The ridiculous comment of the German editor (?) has gotten its
response it deserved by several list members...
it's clear that that "German" uttering is a piece of shame,
at least an answer of a person not willing to open itself to other
opinions and feelings. And of course he put the oil in the fire
But why putting further oil in the flames without actual reason?
your fan
Soeren
Falkenberg
(No subject)
Message 59 -
1998-12-09 at 12:55:38
Hi folks:
If anybody be interesting in:
This month I have receipted the new catalog from Galerie Laqua.
Galerie Laqua offer the following original drawings:
- Daan Jippes: High Flying Picnic signed $ 560,--
- Daan Jippes: Wailing Whales signed $ 515,--
- van Horn : Pachyderm up Your Troubles signed $ 455,--
- van Horn : Another Vine Mess signed $ 385,--
- Don Rosa : On Stolen Time page 11 signed $ 525,--
- Don Rosa : Treasure under Glass page 19 signed $ 500,--
If somebody needs help or Tel/Fax No.from the Galerie Laqua
please contact me direkt.
Best wishes from Germany
Helmut F.
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If anybody be interesting in:
This month I have receipted the new catalog from Galerie Laqua.
Galerie Laqua offer the following original drawings:
- Daan Jippes: High Flying Picnic signed $ 560,--
- Daan Jippes: Wailing Whales signed $ 515,--
- van Horn : Pachyderm up Your Troubles signed $ 455,--
- van Horn : Another Vine Mess signed $ 385,--
- Don Rosa : On Stolen Time page 11 signed $ 525,--
- Don Rosa : Treasure under Glass page 19 signed $ 500,--
If somebody needs help or Tel/Fax No.from the Galerie Laqua
please contact me direkt.
Best wishes from Germany
Helmut F.
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #290
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Mikko Pohjola
Changing names
Message 60 -
1998-12-09 at 14:01:53
JOACHIM, JOAKIM, DON...
> (But what irritates me the most is the way Mr Stahl is defending the
> reasons for doing it. Why, oh, why? I just dont see any *logic* in what
> he writes.)
I found it quite logical. Mr Stahl didn't consider it an honor
having a comic book walking canine named after you while Don Rosa did.
Personally, I'd agree with Don about that - but not about forcing
translations. But let's face it - if it had been anyone else but Don who
made this reference it would've most likely been altered in lots of other
countries than Germany.
What must be remembered is that the smooth read of the story
should at all times be the first prioirity and any inside jokes should
come only after that. In USA foreign names are no big problem as the
environment is much more multi-cultural and the difficult names are
Americanized anyway!
I dare say, that as a difficult name can make the story very hard
to read, it's not that bad to localize it. Taliafferro and Osborne were
obviously a special case, but still if the audience is more oriented to
kids than fandom then I think it was the right choice.
> And in the end the heroine of this story *blows* the swedes up.
Wow! This would've sold big time in Finland! ;)
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
> (But what irritates me the most is the way Mr Stahl is defending the
> reasons for doing it. Why, oh, why? I just dont see any *logic* in what
> he writes.)
I found it quite logical. Mr Stahl didn't consider it an honor
having a comic book walking canine named after you while Don Rosa did.
Personally, I'd agree with Don about that - but not about forcing
translations. But let's face it - if it had been anyone else but Don who
made this reference it would've most likely been altered in lots of other
countries than Germany.
What must be remembered is that the smooth read of the story
should at all times be the first prioirity and any inside jokes should
come only after that. In USA foreign names are no big problem as the
environment is much more multi-cultural and the difficult names are
Americanized anyway!
I dare say, that as a difficult name can make the story very hard
to read, it's not that bad to localize it. Taliafferro and Osborne were
obviously a special case, but still if the audience is more oriented to
kids than fandom then I think it was the right choice.
> And in the end the heroine of this story *blows* the swedes up.
Wow! This would've sold big time in Finland! ;)
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie