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Francesco Spreafico
Today I bought the new Zio Paperone issue and for the first time ever, on ZP,
David's surname is spelt right! No damn GerNstein anymore :-))

He's credited for D 97025 "Two Men and a Baby"... a very funny story too!

The same issue features Don Rosa's "The Tenth Avatar"... I just wanted to
mention it 'cause it's really wonderful!

Francesco
Kriton Kyrimis
DON:

This is totally off-topic, but I just can't resist: what is the story
behind the names "Cordwainer Bird" and "Alan Smithee"?

BTW, isn't "Cutty Sark" the name of a rather well known brand of alcoholic
beverage? Even I, who do not indulge in anything stronger than wine, am
familiar with the name.

Re: KOMIX' cover

Your praise of the KOMIX cover for WHADDALOTTAJARGON made me want to
take another look at it, and I agree with you that it is beautiful.
For those who might think that this was a quick cut-and-paste job (i.e.,
me) note the cone of light emanating from Huey's flashlight, which lights
the Komix logo wherever it touches it.

Now that you've seen the cover, is the D.U.C.K. hidden by the title of
the story, or is it simply me who can't find it?

> But Kriton what is the label they have placed on that photo?

Oops! I forgot to translate that. It says:

"Don Rosa in front of a very eloquent--after his intervention--painting
of Donald Duck"

GARY:

> Kinda makes me wonder what my
> last name means in German...or Spanish or Turkish or whatever. How many
> tender minds could I conceivably destroy merely by introducing myself?

Now that you mention it, I don't need to point out that your name, spelled
as it sounds, would be a good candidate for that of a Gotfredson villain.

(I apologize if I touched a raw nerve here.)

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Ah, there I am... I mean, there you are!"
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Kriton Kyrimis
OLE:

> DON "HELLROT" (I swear, that's German for "Rosa". Really.):

According to my dictionary, "hellrot" means "bright red". Is that what
"Rosa" means? I thought it was Italian for "rose", and, according to the
same dictionary, the German word for "rose" is, well, "rose"!

However, this is a fine example of how a perfectly innocent word in one
language can become a grim phrase in another.

HARRY:

> > I'm looking forward to some computer-related puns on the word Java
>
> I'm afraid you won't find any (at least I didn't)... "Java" as a
computer
> language is still quite unknown outside the computer world.

Java (the computer language), however, is a pun itself, as Java is
slang for "coffee", a substance that the implementors of the language
supposedly had to consume in large amounts in order to produce the first
version on time! I wonder how many casual computer users have checked
the "enable Java" box in their browser's preferences, expecting to make
their computer produce coffee!

If there are any Java puns in the story, they'll probably refer to this
alternate meaning of "java". If so, I imagine that it will be Donald
who will be making them.

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Ah, there I am... I mean, there you are!"
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Joakim Gunnarsson
Steven R. wrote [about the viking issue of Paperinik]:
> So why bother to run and translate a story that is offensive (except
for
> historical reasons)?

The book is made up of Italian material and the Swedish version is only two
(!!!) issues behind the original edition. That means we have a very tight
deadline. And when I saw this it was too late to do anything. The book was
already too far into production to stop it. To change the names was a
solution that both I, the translator and the letterer felt was the right.

/Joakim.
BFOSTERLA
>This week the comics adaption of Mulan appeared across
Europe, and thanks to the Italian Disney site the credits are
known:
"Testo di Bob Foster e Greg Ehrbar - Disegni di Mario Cortes"

I wrote the adaptation for Disney Publications and/or Consumer Products in
Burbank, but I think officially they were producing it for Disney/Paris.
Disney Burbank hired the writer (me) and artists, Disney/Paris paid for it. I
don't know who Greg Ehrbar is. A translator?
Francois Willot
It's there! A brand new Scarpa story, written and drawn by the Maestro
from Venezia! Vive Romano Scarpa!

There are many interesting things to say about this story. First of all,
it *is* very good, and in my honnest opinion even better than most of
the last stories he did for Italy.

The story (14 pages) features many characters, including Ellsworth,
Trudy, Eega Beva, Horace, Atomino Bip Bip and Lafouine. It's amazing to
see that Scarpa "adapted" a character like Lafouine. Lafouine doesn't
look exactly like the French character (he seems to be more intelligent
in the version of Scarpa) and Ellsworth is still very Scarpish (flying
for instance).

I'm not sure if Scarpa also inked this story (maybe Luca knows? that's
an important information for the database!). But he wrote it, and this
is important I think. IMO, Scarpa is, like Barks, primarly a writer of
stories.

The French are also publishing Scarpa stories from the 70s (done for the
Studio program). (I like the art in those stories, very Cavazzano-like).

In this issue (# 2426), there's a cover drawing by Roberto Scarpa, too.

Francois
(Franco: I will send a copy to you)

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Don Rosa
From: Kriton Kyrimis
>>>>DON:
This is totally off-topic, but I just can't resist: what is the story
behind the names "Cordwainer Bird" and "Alan Smithee"?

"Cordwainer Bird" was created by Harlan Ellison, his way of giving the
"bird" (do we all know what this is?) to the people who changed his scripts
against his wishes. I don't know the exact origin of "Alan Smithee"... it's
been used for the same purpose for decades by defenseless writers.

>>>BTW, isn't "Cutty Sark" the name of a rather well known brand of
alcoholic
beverage? Even I, who do not indulge in anything stronger than wine, am
familiar with the name.

Yeah, some sort of Scotch this also only-wine-with-dinner-drinker thinks.
Named after the world famous clipper, probably not after a receptacle for
deceased felines.

>>>Your praise of the KOMIX cover for WHADDALOTTAJARGON made me want to
take another look at it, and I agree with you that it is beautiful.
For those who might think that this was a quick cut-and-paste job (i.e.,
me) note the cone of light emanating from Huey's flashlight, which lights
the Komix logo wherever it touches it.

Absolutely right! Yes, they sorta swiped the PICSOU coloring, but they also
went on to add to it by computer so that it is even better than what they
started with. Is this perhaps the nicest-looking cover they've ever had? I
recall their #100 issue cover was a doozy, too.

>>>Now that you've seen the cover, is the D.U.C.K. hidden by the title of
the story, or is it simply me who can't find it?

I thought we already discussed that. The "D.U.C.K." is hidden by the
lettering they added to the art in the lower left, in the grain on a timber
there.

>>>> But Kriton what is the label they have placed on that photo?
Oops! I forgot to translate that. It says:
"Don Rosa in front of a very eloquent--after his intervention--painting
of Donald Duck"

HA! As always, those Greek editors tell it just like it is! For those who
have never seen KOMIX, it features articles about the history of Disney
comics and creators, as well as articles about the history of comics in
general (this issue seems to have an article about the American Comics Code
of the 50s and the horror comics of that era), and even articles about
Disney censorship of Disney comics, showing how other publishers change the
stories, at Disney orders or otherwise, while they at KOMIX publish
everything in its original intended form. This might be why they added that
phrase into my text boasting of how they did this to that Woodchuck story.
KOMIX has the quality of a Gladstone comic, but with more freedom to do the
best job possible. It's really a great example of how a Disney comic can be
produced that can appeal to ALL readers, and not target one group and
alienate the rest, thereby gaining readers in the short-term, but losing
them forever as their tastes and intellect grow, eroding the universal
appeal of the product. This is sorta what happened in the American market
when they decided to aim all comics at those 13-year-old male
adolescent-power-trip sexy super-hero fans, improving sales in that niche,
but losing every other reader in the country and ending up with a
circulation that only slowly erodes away since no normal people have any
interest in the style.

Meanwhile, someone was wondering if there would be any computer gags in my
Java story. No, I would never make references to something so modern in a
story that is taking place in 1883 and being told in the 50s. Sometimes I
come close to violating that self-rule, but it's only in times of weakness.
Francesco Spreafico
FRANCOIS:

>It's there! A brand new Scarpa story, written and drawn by the Maestro
>from Venezia! Vive Romano Scarpa!

>The story (14 pages) features many characters, including Ellsworth,
>Trudy, Eega Beva, Horace, Atomino Bip Bip and Lafouine.

>But he wrote it, and this
>is important I think. IMO, Scarpa is, like Barks, primarly a writer of
>stories.

GREEEEEEEEAAAAT!!!!

A brand new Scarpa story, with all those characters and even written by him???

I gotta find it... does any Frenchman here need some Topolino issues in
exchange for that? :-) :-) :-)

Francesco
Oliver
Kriton,

I think that Magica is a mystic - it's her "job".
By this way, she's very sensible with "heart matters".
She felt the Scrooge's love for his first dime. This event
lights a new interest for *this* coin.
If she was pragmatic at that moment, she would have
kept the bought coin and returns in Italy.
(and there wouldn't be no continuation)
For me, it's the same thing when one go to the
supermarket to buy something and comes out
with many other things: what have happenned?
I guess the answer is temptation. And what is
more natural for socerer(ess) than give up a
temptation.
Another proof of the non-pragmatism of Magica is
that she can get all the riches of the earth with her
power and nevertheless, she never attacks directly
Scrooge. It's only natural: she's a socerer.

I would like to add a little thing about this story.
When Scrooge see that he gave his first dime,
he panics and some cases later he says that
his "fortune is in danger". So... he *believes* that
without this dime he can loose his fortune.

Mister Don Rosa.... you claimed that Scrooge
didn't believe that this dime is the pilar of his
fortune - you were wrong and this is Unca Carl
that says that.
Verdict - you'll have to create a Mickey Mouse
story of ... 10 pages in the two next weeks.

Ciao
Oliv
Bhc
The following is an editorial by Bruce Hamilton appearing in WDC&S 633 (a
similar editorial appears in US 318):

"When Donald and Mickey from Disneyland got together with me and others a=
t
the home of collector Malcolm Willits in Pasadena, California on the nigh=
t
of December 4, 1982 to honor Carl Barks and Floyd Gottfredson, little did=
I
know what incredible journeys I would experience working with them,
Donald's Uncle Scrooge McDuck, nephews Huey, Dewey and Louie, Bucky Bug,
Li'l Bad Wolf =8A and, well, the list is endless. And there were a few pe=
ople
along the way: Barks, Don Rosa, William Van Horn, Gottfredson =8A another
endless list. It's been a great ride.
"Most readers will not yet have heard that the February issues of Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories and Uncle Scrooge (shipping in late December)
will be the last comic books I will ever do.
"As of press time, however, things do not appear quite as dismal as some
may think. There will be no comics in January, but there is a possibility
that the runs will pick up - albeit with another publisher at the helm - =
in
February or March. If this should happen, there is also a good chance tha=
t
Gladstone's staff will remain intact, or at least the nucleus of our
production staff, John Clark, Gary Leach and Susan Daigle-Leach. Knowing
them as well as I do, I suspect that Scrooge and WDC&S will be in such go=
od
hands most readers will think everything's back to normal and operating a=
s
it should.
Subscribers: do not panic! Your subscriptions will be fulfilled, exceptin=
g
a short delay, or money owed will be refunded in full. That's a promise.
You will be kept informed!
Time has taken its toll, and I don't look so fresh these days =8A certain=
ly
not with the same smug look of the Pasadena photo. It's time to move on,
travel more and play with my collections! And grandsons.
"These last two comics are among Gladstone's proudest achievements. I gue=
ss
we've finally learned how to do a comic book right. And isn't that the wa=
y
it always seems to work? Now we get out.
"I want to thank everyone who's helped along the way. I particularly want
to thank Barton K. Boyd of the Walt Disney Company, David Smith and other=
s
whom I've known longer than I care to admit. Top kudos, however, must go =
to
my employees past and present and especially to the many friends and
customers of Gladstone and its sister company, Another Rainbow, Inc., som=
e
of whom have bought virtually everything we've ever done. And what an arr=
ay
of product: pricey books, pricey figurines and hundreds and hundreds of
comic books.
"Lastly, of course, a very heartfelt thanks to the Old Duck Man. This
company would have never gotten off the ground if it had not been for you=
,
Mr. Carl Barks, and if it had, it could not have sustained. Thank you,
thank you, thank you.
"The Bruce Hamilton Company will not go away, however - just scale down.
Our lithograph program is still plugging away and maybe we'll come up wit=
h
a magic trick or two.
"And maybe we'll see you around =8A"

Most of our readers have read, or soon will read, the above in their copi=
es
of WDC&S 633 and/or US 318 (both of which shipped yesterday), but I know
that many of our overseas readers are not going to have that same chance
for a while. Maybe this posting can alleviate that somewhat.

So, everything is settled, then? Hardly. As some of you know, we have
solicited for issues past WDC&S 633 and US 318. This is because if we
haven't solicited and a continuation of the US Disney comics license that
involves us does happen, we'll be stuck with at least a couple of months =
of
no orders, which would not be good. What is clear is that as things now
stand no Disney books will ship in January and that at the very least we
will have to resolicit WDC&S 634 and US 319 (and very likely 635 and 320).

ALL SUBSCRIBERS: In the eventuality that any subscriptions or portions
thereof are not fulfilled, monies collected for such subscriptions or
unfulfilled portions thereof will be made available for other product
offers (to be announced) or will be refunded.

FYI: The Comics Journal #208 has published a short article addressing som=
e
of the same matters as in Bruce's editorial, as well as a piece examining
the legal situation re: Barks/Hamilton/Grandey/Morby. I personally cannot
vouch for the veracity of either of these items, but folks should be awar=
e
of them. They do make interesting reading.

KRITON:

>Now that you mention it, I don't need to point out that your name, spell=
ed
>as it sounds, would be a good candidate for that of a Gotfredson villain.
>
>(I apologize if I touched a raw nerve here.)

The only problem with my last name is that I have to be sure to spell it =
to
anyone who is going to write it down. I do not want it to wind up spelled
with two "e"s in any database, if I can possibly help it. (The only thing
worse would be one "e" and no "a", which has happened. Talk about damagin=
g
tender minds...!)

Gary

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"Who Knows Whose Nose Sniffs the Rose I Chose" - old sourdough song title
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Frank Fabian
Department of corrections and additions:

> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:25:03 +0300
> From: Kriton Kyrimis <(Email removed)>
> To: (Email removed)
> Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V98 #292
>
> OLE:
>
> > DON "HELLROT" (I swear, that's German for "Rosa". Really.):
>
> According to my dictionary, "hellrot" means "bright red". Is that what
> "Rosa" means? I thought it was Italian for "rose", and, according to the
> same dictionary, the German word for "rose" is, well, "rose"!
>

"Hellrot" means indeed bright red or light red. "Rosa" (in lower case
normally) is in German the color *pink*, whereas a rose (the flower) is
in German a "Rose" (capital R). Any further questions?

Yours, Frank
Bror Hellman
> Meanwhile, someone was wondering if there would be any computer gags
in my
> Java story. No, I would never make references to something so modern
in a
> story that is taking place in 1883 and being told in the 50s.
Sometimes I
> come close to violating that self-rule, but it's only in times of
weakness.

Well.. I wouldn't mind if you *did* a story about computers some day...

We know the computers of the fifties and we know Uncle $crooge.
If there is money to make in using this new technology, I'm sure
$crooge would have used it... Maybe it's too expensive to have Donald
and all the accountants count his money... I mean..
he have so many money :-) that it would take many years before they're
finished.

On the other hand... A computer in the fifties... A really expensive
thing,
and he would have to build a "computer bin" alongside his money bin. :-)

I can almost see it.. 16 Kb RAM, Core Memories, Programs: 100 kg
of Punch-cards, weight: 18 tons....

From $crooge McDuck Electronics and Counting machines. :-)

Steamboat WIllie
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
Just cannot resist this:
The first part of Rosa cowboy-captain of Cutty Sark, is in the comic right
on my table... It was supposed to be published on monday, but as a
subscriber I already got it today (One could tell the mailman to put it
there a day later, but that would be stupid...)
I have not read it yet, though...
Anders Christian Sivebaek
(Email removed);
(Email removed)
Vidar Svendsen
Kriton:
>.....coin she bought from Scrooge, but given that obtaining it turned out=
to
>be impossible, I see no reason why she could not proceed with her
>original plan, becoming obsessed with getting Scrooge's first dime,
>instead.

I think she couldn't handle losing to Scrooge, and the symbol of her defeat
is the Dime as long as it=E6s in Scrooge's possession. Isn't this the way it
always
is with sorcerers? Don't they always want some stupid item for some unknown
reason?
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Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven

And he said all those numbers=20
made him numb,=20
which (he thinks) is why=20
they're called numbers
BFOSTERLA
Hi -
I accidentally deleted the last Disney Comics (12/16). Could it be re-sent?
Thanks.

Bob F.

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