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Michael Naiman
Forgot the one greeting from Chile and a last minute entry from Germany....
M.
Per Starback
Some silly person wrote:

> Or maybe Caesar *did* die 102 B.C. in the Duck universe!)

Eh... Make that "*was* born".

--
some silly person
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Heitmann, Owen James - HEIOJ001
G'day,

It's been a while since I made a posting to this list, but I'm hoping that
someone might be able to help answer a question of mine.

I'm not as big a fan of the mouse as I am of the ducks, which means there are
many things in his history that I don't know about. The point that I'm
wondering about at the moment has to do with a 1966 Australian edition of
Mickey Mouse that I bought recently. It's subtitled "Super Secret Agent", with
the cover slogan "The new Mickey Mouse! New art! New adventures!" The story is
about Mickey and Goofy's recruitment into "PI" (Police International) and their
conflict with a Dr. Beasel, who plans to steal a top-secret device that makes
things invisible. But the story is not the point that I'm so interested in. The
amazing thing, to me, is the fact that all of the secondary characters are
humans! Not cartoony humans either, but humans drawn in a realistic style. An
adequate reference point might be the way Sy Barry drew the Phantom, although
that's just to give you a general idea of the style I'm talking about.

I found the experiment to be very interesting, especially as someone who loves
the Barks comics where the Ducks interact with humans (Dangerous Disguise,
etc). I couldn't find a code number to identify the story, but what I'm really
interested in more than the artist or writer is the background story behind
this story. If anyone could tell me what prompted this idea, how long it lasted
or any information at all, I'd be very grateful. It looks to me like the start
of a series where Mickey works for PI. Did it work? I never realised that
Mickey had ever mixed with 'real' humans, so it was quite a shock for me when I
stumbled across it. Any information, please?

Cheers,

Owen.
Fluks, H.W.
I phoned with Dutch editor Jos Beekman today. The first thing he did was
congratulate me with starting a fishmonger's shop on Java. 8-)

Don Rosa's "Cutty Sark" story will be published in an "Extra Donald Duck
Extra": an edition of the monthly "DD Extra" that will be added as a gift to
the DD *weekly*, in week 27.

This extra Extra will have a redrawn version of Don's cover for Finland. (A
redrawn version because the DD extra covers have a different layout -
apparently redrawing a cover is easier than cutting and pasting an existing
one.)

The story is (as ususal) in its 2-part version. But Jos said that the
artwork of the splash panel on page 13 was re-arranged a bit so noone would
notice that it's the start of part 2. (Except people like me, who will
notice that the story has two nearly identical 1/2-page panels...)

I was pleased to hear that all the Dutch editors *applauded* the story when
they read it! They thought it was a *very* good story (and that included the
people who sometimes say they don't like Don's artwork). And they are right,
of course: it *is* a very good story.

--Harry.

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Luca Boschi
Hi, Per, and all!

About Granpa... Stop kidding, please!8-)
There is an only Granpa, the problem is that a lot of editors and
cartoonists had NO CARE in doing their job, no model sheets or details
on Granpa personality has been distributed, so... many different
interpretations of himself popped up.
Or... you can also say that there are different Chief 0'Haras only
beoause different artists gave him different looks? Because in Brazil
he wears mustache, the early Scarpa draws his nose in light rose or
Pier Lorenzo De Vita gives him human resemlances in the 60es?
Or because only in Italy he has a first name (Adam O'Hara)?
Obviously not.
The same problem has Battista, who in the same "Topolino" issue has
also FOUR different interpretations. Every week you can see how bad is
this kind of "anarchy", which noone seems to care. Readership first of
all.

So, if in DuckTales there are DIFFERENT Beagles, in the "normal"
Disney stories the characters are the same, anda also their
grandfather is only one. Don Rosa (Hi, Don! Thank you!) correctly had
depicted the old "mustached" Granpa from the Ratchet Gearloose's
stories be THE SAME CHARACTER thar scrooge and the ducks meet in the
last chapter of Lo$. But many years passed, he cut the long mustache,
slowly his beard grew up, and so we have again the original Barks'
character of Granpa, some tens older than when he was shipping on the
Mississippi.
Later, italian artists drew this Granpa in different ways, Romano
Scarpa suggested to write "grazia" on his tag, according with an
interview with him, Martina adopted this suggestion and everyone in
Italy went on using it.

Now, the problem is: we must say to the editors that someone must draw
some very useful model sheets for the artists, compelling them to
follow!!! And if the don't do it, their pages should sent them back
and not accepted for the publications.
Do you agree on this matter, fellows of the Mailing List? Or from now
on Mickey can be drawn with the beard and Don with thick glasses on
his beak?
Bye,
Luca
Per Starback
Luca Boschi wrote:

> There is an only Granpa, the problem is that a lot of editors and
> cartoonists had NO CARE in doing their job, no model sheets or details
> on Granpa personality has been distributed, so... many different
> interpretations of himself popped up.

(The reason for this discussion is that Grandpa Beagle in the Inducks
has been divided into *three* different characters -- Blackheart
Beagle, the Grandpa in Italian stories, and the Grandpa in Brazilian
stories.) I agree that there is no need to differentiate these as
different characters. And if you want to differentiate them you could
do it even more anyway. It's not evident that the Vic Lockman Grandpa
Beagle (G-176) is the same as the Barks character in "The Fantastic
River Race" or "The Money Well", or that those later two are the same
character for that matter (even if Don Rosa has them be so).

> Now, the problem is: we must say to the editors that someone must draw
> some very useful model sheets for the artists, compelling them to
> follow!!! And if the don't do it, their pages should sent them back
> and not accepted for the publications.
> Do you agree on this matter, fellows of the Mailing List?

Actually I don't think I agree with this. I like the Donald Duck
title from the 50's with lots of different styles in it. I like that
a lot more than, say, the Egmont comics from the early 80's when all
Ducks should look like Barks from the 60's, and all Mice should look
like Murry. There has to be some room for individual traits. I don't
care that different artists draw Gyro's hair(?) differently for
instance, and don't see that as a problem that stricter model sheets
necessarily should fix.

> Or from now on Mickey can be drawn with the beard and Don with thick
> glasses on his beak?

Well now... I guess I agree that the line has to be drawn somewhere!

Link: Beagle Boys, including discussion of Grandpa Beagle in
<http:/stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/chars/beagleboys.html>
(Not updated because of this discussion yet though.)

--
Per Starback <(Email removed)> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Paolo Castagno
Hi,

OWEN wrote:
> "Super Secret Agent" [...] The amazing thing, to me, is the
> fact that all of the secondary characters are humans! Not
> cartoony humans either, but humans drawn in a realistic style.
> Any information, please?

I can tell you what's reported in Becattini's world famous Red Book
about Disney comics.Hope my translation won't be very different from the
original text:
"In 1966, Mickey Mouse and Goofy played the roles of two secret agents
at the P.I. (Police International), whose code-names were Pumpkin-3 and
Coconut. They were clearly inspired to James Bond, like the many other
spies who, in those years, were crowding pulp literature and movies.
Those stories (that appeared on three issues of Mickey Mouse) showed us
Mickey and Goofy (drawn by Paul Murry) as the only funny animals in real
characters and landscapes (drawn by Dan Spiegle). Plots were by Don
Christensen, and were funny (the first sequence is settled in Venice)
but readers didn't appreciated much the mix-up of cartoon and real
characters".

Hope it helps.

Ciao,

-Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 3/24/99 11:03:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, dcomics-
(Email removed) writes:

<< I'd be very grateful. It looks to me like the start
of a series where Mickey works for PI. Did it work? I never realised that
Mickey had ever mixed with 'real' humans, so it was quite a shock for me when
I
stumbled across it. Any information, please? >>

three stories, written by Don Arr Christensen, art by Paul Murray and Dan
Spiegel.

Steven Rowe
Fluks, H.W.
Owen:

> "Super Secret Agent" [...] The amazing thing, to me, is the
> fact that all of the secondary characters are humans! Not
> cartoony humans either, but humans drawn in a realistic style.
> Any information, please?

As an addition to Paolo's and Steven's messages, here are the MM issues and
story titles (all stories are 24 pages):

MM 107, June 1966: "Assignment Time-Lock"
MM 108, August 1966: "Aircraft Carrier at 2 O'Clock High"
MM 109, October 1966: "The Mystery at Misty Gorge"

More detailed information can be found on the USA issue index pages on
http://here.is/inducks
(follow: indexes, index files for countries, USA before 1985, w-MM-OM)

--Harry.
Merlin Haas
> The point that I'm
> wondering about at the moment has to do with a 1966 Australian edition of
> Mickey Mouse that I bought recently. It's subtitled "Super Secret Agent", with
> the cover slogan "The new Mickey Mouse! New art! New adventures!" ...
> The amazing thing, to me, is the fact that all of the secondary characters are
> humans! Not cartoony humans either, but humans drawn in a realistic style. An
> adequate reference point might be the way Sy Barry drew the Phantom, although
> that's just to give you a general idea of the style I'm talking about.

There was a three issue run of this series in the Gold Key Mickey
Mouse around issue number 110. The Mickey and Goofy figures are by Paul
Murry and the rest of the art is by Dan Spiegle. It's sort of a
forerunner of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit," but doesn't really work very
well.

best -- Merlin Haas
Michael Naiman
Claudio Eckert---please contact me. Misplaced your e-mail address.

Thanks

Michael Naiman

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LKumpinsky
I've got a question. I know that Uncle Scrooge's first appearance was in the
story Christmas On Bear Mountain, and his second appearance was in The Old
Castle's Secret. But what was Uncle Scrooge's 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th
appearance?

-------Leah
Heitmann, Owen James - HEIOJ001
Howdy,

Thankyou very much to everyone who answered my question about the Mickey Mouse
Super Secret Agent series. I guess that it really wasn't that popular if only
three stories were done. Still, it was one of the most unexpected things that
I've ever come across while reading Mickey Mouse. I thought the Mouse looked
like Paul Murry's, but not knowing how good he was at humans I couldn't be
sure. I did wonder if it might have been two different artists, and, well, now
I know!

Another thing about the comic that looked different and that I forgot to
mention was the layout, which has a lot more variation and different sized
panels in it than usual. I guess that was Dan Spiegel's influence? (I haven't
seen any of his other work.)

Anyway, it obviously wasn't a very successful experiment, but I think that it's
a particularly interesting one, especially in hindsight. Thanks for helping me
out with it.

Owen.
David
As an addition to Paolo's and Steven's messages, here are the MM issues and
story titles (all stories are 24 pages):

MM 107, June 1966: "Assignment Time-Lock"
MM 108, August 1966: "Aircraft Carrier at 2 O'Clock High"
MM 109, October 1966: "The Mystery at Misty Gorge"

The Australian issues are :

M 118 - Assignment Time-Lock
M 121 & M 236 - Aircraft Carrier At 2 O'Clock High
M 123 & M 235 - The Mystery At Misty Gorge
Halsten Aastebxl
At 21:57 25.03.99 -0500, (Email removed) wrote:
> I've got a question. I know that Uncle Scrooge's first appearance was in the
>story Christmas On Bear Mountain, and his second appearance was in The Old
>Castle's Secret. But what was Uncle Scrooge's 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th
>appearance?
>
> -------Leah

Appearance of Scrooge in Barks stories:
1. Christmas on Bear Mountain (FC 178, Dec 1947)
2. The Old Castle's Secret (FC 189, June 1948)
3. Foxy Relations (WDC 98, Nov 1948)
4. The Sunken Yacht (WDC 104, May 1949)
5. Voodoo Hoodoo (FC 238, Aug 1949)
6. Race to South Seas (March of Comics, ??? 1949)
7. Letter to Santa (CP 1, Nov 1949)
......

That should be all Barks stories of the 40s featuring Scrooge. I don't know
the exact publication month for "Race to the South Seas", nor do I know the
dates when Barks submitted his scripts.

Any non-Barks stories with Scrooge in this period?

Halsten
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