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Stefan Persson
>Even better yet (if the feature is not already there) would be a way
>to request the database entry for a particular comic book. This way,
>people can use as an example the entry for one of the comic books that
>they already have.

A description of the I.N.D.U.C.K.S. format:
99-22 h3 [date:1999-05-31] [inx:SPe] [price:20.00] [price-FIM;20.00]
111111111 22 33333333333333333 444444444 5555555555555 6666666666666666

99-22a D 1 c DD) [xapp:DD,DA]
1111111117777777777778999ABCDDDDEEEEFFFFGGGGHHHHJJJJJJJJJJJJ 6
99-22b YD 50-06-17 0q AT DD) [xapp:DD]
1111111117777777777778999ABCDDDDEEEEFFFFGGGGHHHHJJJJJJJJJ
99-22c D 98324 10 WVH WVH DD Den fartfyllda filmvärlden
[xapp:DD,HDL]
1111111117777777777778999ABCDDDDEEEEFFFFGGGGHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
JJJJJJJJJJJJJ 6
99-22d ZD 54-09-19 1 AT DD Upptrappning [xapp:DD,HDL1]
1111111117777777777778999ABCDDDDEEEEFFFFGGGGHHHHIIIIIIIIIIII JJJJJJJJJJJJJJ
6

Description:
1) Issue code. At the first line, which contains information about the date
and the indexer, only enter the issue code and number. At the second line,
containing information about the first comic, enter a after the number. At
the third, add b, etc.
2) Only enter h3.
3) The date it was published; enter as [date:YYYY-MM-DD].
4) Indexer. If you haven't indexed anything, just enter [inx:Your Name].
5) The price printed on the cover. Ignore any currency symbols ($, £, ?
etc.).
6) Any other comments; enter [ before and ] after. These may not include any
:
7) Story code; normally printed in the lower-left corner of the first image
at the first page.
8) Part number. Ignore this if it's a one-part story.
9) Number of pages.
A) Extra part of page. h=one extra 1/2 page, q=one extra 1/4 page, +=one
extra part of page.
B) Page format:
2 = 2-strips-per-page
3 = 3-strips-per-page
= 4-strips-per-page
5 = 5-strips-per-page
c = Cover
i = Image
C) Just ignore this, and enter a space.
D) Plottist code. If same as writer, ignore this. If unknown, and writer
known, enter ?.
E) Writer code. If unknown, enter ?.
F) Artist code. If unknown, enter ?.
G) Inker code. If same as artist, ignore this. If unknown, and writer known,
enter ?.
H) Story hero. If none is printed, or if the story has no hero, enter --.
I) Story title.
J) All appearing characters.

You do not need to enter creators and/or appearing characters.

I hope this will help you!

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Rodney W Bowcock Jr.
on 8/1 kathy wrote:
Or it could be that anyone of the mystical ongoing age of Unca Scrooge,
doesn't take the time to be completely correct in his time periods,
choosing rather to round off numbers in the interest of emphasis and of
story color to the younger generations he is boasting to. Kathy

I guess that could be true. He tells some pretty outrageous stuff in the
Looney Lunar Goldrush. Certainly more outrageous that the stories we
heard in Back to the Klondike.

Rodney Bowcock

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RMorris306
Steven Rowe wrote:

<<By the way, does your book show a title something like: "Mr Bear Squash
You All Flat" ? >>

Ah, yes! That title always fascinated me, though I only read it once. I
believe it was an update of an old Russian folktale I've seen in several
versions (one appears in OLD PETER'S RUSSIAN TALES by Arthur Ransome), which
purists might complain about because (unlike the original version) the bear
DOESN'T end up squashing anyone flat, but I liked the denouement anyway. Who
wrote it?

<<
Some of my favorites that I still have are: "Squiffy The Skunk" (wherein
Miss Kat-erina from Katty Korners brings the skunk family all gifts, the
pictures are terrific), "The Night Before Christmas" (Art by Corinne
Malvern, Victorian style), "Ten Little Indians" (where in Susie wants to be
an Indian chief when she grows up, complete with war paint and war
headress. She ends being able to play an Indian chief instead of a Pilgrim
lady in the school Thanksgiving play when Freddie ends up with the mumps.
It probably would not be pc today.), "Mr. Wigg's Birthday Party (from the
Mary Popins story), and "Hans Christian Andersen's Fairy Tales" with art by
James Caraway. Of course these books were well read by five us and have
some "art work" of our own in them. They wouldn't be worth anything.

> Oh? I wasn't aware of that...
> using the "Collecting Little Golden Books" book, this must be:
>
> Pluto the Pup Goes To Sea
> 1952 D30 written by Annie North Bedford, drawn by Yale Gracey >>

Some of them are genuine classics, like "The Poky Little Puppy" (with art
by the acclaimed Gustav Tengren (sp?) who also did many designs for Disney's
SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS) and "Tootle" (which got an unintentionally
hilarious psychological analysis in Vance Packard's advertising expose THE
HIDDEN PERSUADERS, which would have been a lot more convincing if the
analyst..not Packard himself but someone he quoted from an article) hadn't
misspelled the name of the lead character (a little locomotive) as "Toodle"
throughout. Annie North Bedford was one of the regular writers, especially
for the Disney characters...as was Helen Marion Palmer, also quite talented,
who in private life was married to another children's book legend...Theodor
Seuss Geisel, better known as Dr. Seuss!

Rich
Jan Follak
Some month ago there was a discussion on the mailing-list on english disney
comics, prompted by the fact that Galdstone had stopped publishing in the
USA. Someone brought up that India might be a place to look for them, but
nobody could tell if English was the comic-language in India. So I asked a
friend from India if she could get me a Disney comic-book to find out. Now
I've got one and here's what it looks like: It has 44 pages and a larger
size than the usual comic-book, like the cancelled "Mickey and friends"
that was published in England several years ago. My issue is from 1996
(Mickey Mouse #25). The featured stories are (all in English!):

D 96264 Donald Duck: Forced Air-Ace (art: Rota)
D 96205 Uncle Scrooge: No Great Loss (part 1) (art: Colomer)
KF 10-27-57 Mickey Mouse: No Game-Keeper
D 95212 Donald Duck: Mister Muscle
H 9410 Daisy Duck: Illegible Handwriting

These are the standard Egmont stories I know from the German Mickey Mouse,
and most of them have been issued here as well. I've made scans of the
title page and two pages from the inside. I'd be happy if someone is
willing to put them up at his webpage, so that everyone can have a look at
them.

Best wishes, Jan
Fluks, H.W.
Jan Follak:

> India. [...] I've made scans of the
> title page and two pages from the inside. I'd be happy if someone is
> willing to put them up at his webpage, so that everyone can
> have a look at them.

I have put the scans on one of my websites, at:
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/india.html

All:

Also, I added some photographs of Disney comics creators and fans from their
meeting last Saturday in Rotterdam. They are on:

http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/fotos8.html

Kathy wrote:

> It just goes to show the benefits of having a good camera.

The photos above are indeed taken with a digital camera, but the ones you
mentioned (from Greece) are actually scans from "normal" photographs, taken
with a rather-inexpensive camera.

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Kriton:

> The way I see it, the database format is not at all encouraging to
> the person who wants to work casually on the subject. There's a lot of
> information, not all in one place (I mean separate documents,
> not the same web site)

All there is about the Inducks database can be found on
http://here.is/inducks, or its alternative address
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast .
Either the information is there, or direct links to other websites / ftp
sites are given.

> Indexing one's first
> comic book is a *lot* of work, and I'm sure that I'm not the first one
> to feel daunted by the task.

Up to now, I have had three kinds of indexers.

1. The occasional indexer. In this case, the exact layout of an index does
not matter that much. I have gladly accepted occasional indexes in any
format, and with some interaction the relevant data was provided. I don't
mind having to change the exact layout, since I know it is only a one-time
effort.

2. The frequent indexer. After a few initial struggles (e.g. in a private
mail conversation with me), these indexers quickly got used to the format we
are using.

3. The indexer with his own database. A few people have their own database
or index formats. Usually we agree on the data that should be *in* an index,
and then all we need to do is write a conversion program to get the index in
the right layout.

At this moment, all 3 kinds of indexers are still active. But maybe there's
a 4th kind:

4. The indexer that gets scared away by the unusual format of the indexes.

Up to now, you're only the second person in this category. At least, the
second to *tell* me about it!
Of course it would be nice if you would become a category-2 or -3 indexer!
8-)

Anyway, we haven't had much need for a user-friendly data entry tool yet.

> > Not a skeleton, but a small example, can be found on:
> > http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/bolderbast/xf4issue.html
>
> Even better yet (if the feature is not already there) would be a way
> to request the database entry for a particular comic book. This way,
> people can use as an example the entry for one of the comic books that
> they already have.

Sure. You can request the database entry for any comic book we have in the
Inducks. Simply e-mail the request to me! 8-)

--Harry.
"There are three kinds of mathematicians: those who can count and those who
can't count."
(A mathematician)
Fluks, H.W.
Stefan:

> A description of the I.N.D.U.C.K.S. format

Very good!
Only a few minor remarks:

> 8) Part number. Ignore this if it's a one-part story.

Alternatively, put [part:x] behind the title and leave this a space. That's
more readable.

> 9) Number of pages.
> A) Extra part of page. h=one extra 1/2 page, q=one extra 1/4
> page, +=one extra part of page.

In the case of "+", put [brokpg:x/y] behind the title.

> B) Page format:
> i = Image

i = illustration, with possibly some text. Alternatively, "t" = text
page(s), with possibly some illustration(s).

> D) Plottist code. If same as writer, ignore this. If unknown,
> and writer known, enter ?.

Plottist = the person who did the plot of a story.

> I hope this will help you!

So do I! 8-)

--Harry.
DarrellR
I've gotten terribly behind on my emails, so I apologize for this late
response. My wife, Audrey, and I are planning to be in San Diego during
the show and will make every attempt to be at Cafe 222 on both Friday and
Saturday morning. We're looking forward to meeting several of you and
saying hello again to you Don!
See you then.
Darrell C. Roden
State Road, NC USA

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Mike Devery
Hi all,

>4. The indexer that gets scared away by the unusual format of the indexes.
>Up to now, you're only the second person in this category. At least, the
>second to *tell* me about it!

make that 3 :-)
But now I've got my own computer (and hence have more time to sit down and
type things and work them out!), I've started work on indexing the
Australian comics.
I've just about completed a short series of about 20 comics from the mid
80s, and have even scanned the covers so everyone can see them. These will
go on a Geocities website very shortly.
THEN I'll start the massive task of the vintage Australian comics,
published from the 1950s (and earlier?) up to about 1978.

Mike.

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Mike Devery
Melbourne, Australia.
http://www.netspace.net.au/~mdevery
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Fluks, H.W.
Mike:

H> 4. The indexer that gets scared away by the unusual format
H> of the indexes.
H> Up to now, you're only the second person in this category.
H> At least, the second to *tell* me about it!

> make that 3 :-)

I hope that wasn't too serious. Were you really scared away? Then we should
have discussed things more (in private mail)!

> I've started work on indexing the Australian comics.

Very good!

> I've just about completed a short series of about 20 comics
> from the mid
> 80s, and have even scanned the covers so everyone can see
> them. These will go on a Geocities website very shortly.
> THEN I'll start the massive task of the vintage Australian comics,
> published from the 1950s (and earlier?) up to about 1978.

Let me know when you've finished the first 20. Then we can discuss the exact
layout of the indexes.

Thanks,
--Harry.
Kriton Kyrimis
> All there is about the Inducks database can be found on
> http://here.is/inducks, or its alternative address

I downloaded the relevant files a while back, and I plan to study them
during my summer leave in a couple of weeks. The point is that I *do*
need to study them. You know that, in our line of work, reading the
documentaion is the *last* thing one does, and only in desperation! :-)

> 4. The indexer that gets scared away by the unusual format of the indexes.
>
> Up to now, you're only the second person in this category. At least, the
> second to *tell* me about it!

You may discover a few more after Stefan's public posting of the format
description!
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Paranoia is just another word for a heightened appreciation of how badly the
universe wants to get you."
-----
Fluks, H.W.
Kriton:

> > All there is about the Inducks database can be found on
> > http://here.is/inducks
>
> I downloaded the relevant files a while back, and I plan to study them
> during my summer leave in a couple of weeks. The point is that I *do*
> need to study them. You know that, in our line of work, reading the
> documentaion is the *last* thing one does, and only in
> desperation! :-)

Fully correct! The best way to learn a new tool or programming language is
to copy an existing program, try to change it, and see how it works (or
doesn't work, occasionally).

With indexes, it's the same thing. Copy an existing index, try to make it an
index of a new issue, and send it to me for "review". That's much better
than reading documentation! (Don't RTFM too soon...)

> > 4. The indexer that gets scared away by the unusual format
> > of the indexes.
> > Up to now, you're only the second person in this category.
> > At least, the second to *tell* me about it!

> You may discover a few more after Stefan's public posting of
> the format description!

You mean that his description might scare more people away?

His description only makes sense if you have a non-proportional character
font in your mail program, like "courier".
I mean, the "1111" here and below should be right above each other.
1111
If that's not the case, I can imagine that Stefan's mail was hardly
readable!

--Harry.
(RTFM = Read The Fluks Manual)

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Francois Willot
Picsou #331 is out and contains :

- cover (Barks panel redrawn)
- pin-up page by Don Rosa, illos. "Last Sled to Dawson"
- "The Dutch's Secret", D 98202 by Don Rosa
- 23 Uncle Scrooge one-pagers by Carl Barks
- "Last Sled to Dawson", AR 113
- 6 '39 Donald Duck daily strips by Al Taliaferro
- "Ode to the Disney Ducks" by Carl Barks (with a translation)

"Picsou" plans to publish Don Rosa's coin story next October.

Francois
Paolo Castagno
Hello,

Francois Willot wrote:
> Picsou #331 is out and contains :
> - "Ode to the Disney Ducks" by Carl Barks (with a translation)

This ode was published on Italian Zio Paperone last month, I
think it deserves a code to be inserted in I.N.D.U.C.K.S.

- Paolo
http://i.am/castagno
Nils Lid Hjort
I read an article by the Norwegian author Agnar Mykle (1915-1994)
recently. It was written in 1953, and discussed various aspects
of literature and its potential new forms and so on. One may
interpret him as being rather positive towards (then and now)
emerging alternative forms of literature, and in my imagination
he would not have been negative towards the `comic book'/graphical
novel narrative form.

But Mykle mentions in a side remark that equally famous and equally
admirable poet, author and rikssynser Arnulf Oeverland (whose
surname I have to mis-spell in order to avoid the lines of
my list-message being distorted and disturbed in the conversion process)
*did* dislike `comic books' (tegneserier). Arnulf Oe seemingly
must have publicly offered the opinion (in his inimitable
Arnulfian way, known to all Norwegians) that comic books will be
the end of reading (?).

I wonder whether any of my Norwegian compatriots could find
a more precise reference to this A.Oe. statement. What did
he say, or write, when, where? In a lecture, newspaper article,
essay? Any help very much appreciated. (I would also be interested
in knowing whether A.Oe.'s statement happens to be true!)

(I did ask the author of the very inspired Mykle-biography,
which is coming out in October this year, about this, but
he didn't know.)

Nils Lid Hjort

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