Keskustelujen arkisto

Hello,

My name is Sven van Arensbergen (14) and I live in Holland.
I'm a big Duck fan and I try to collect everything about Donald and fam.
Garry Wilson (#142) has an impressing collection, especially the old stuff.
It's hard to get old DD stuff in Netherlands.

I've got some questions for the mailing list people.:

Has the movie The Three Caballeros ever been released/published (i don't
know the right word) on video (VHS)?

"""""""""""""""""" The Wise Little Hen """"""""""""""""""""""
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Where can I buy/trade Gladstone comics ???

Thanks for listening,
Sven

I recall that list organiser Per Starback once in while
gives us a `geographical breakdown' of who we, the
list subscribers, are. Some similar mail-lists that I
know of also have a `who?' option that when executed
(by anyone inside the list of subscribers) gives
a full list of email-addresses/names.

Does the set-up of this list include such an option, Per?
(Or perhaps it shouldn't?)

Nils Lid Hjort

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> Now I'm watching my 12 year old brother go through much the same hassle
> trying to find certain stories. So needless to say I think it is
> important to reprint Barks stories. I also enjoy seeing newer works by
> the Italian artists, not so much because they are high quality, very few
> of them are. (Amundson's Talisman, and the Money Ocean are exceptions)

I always have a strange feeling when I read that some stories like those are
called "new"...Amundsen's from 1956 and Money Ocean from 1974 :-) But I
realize they're new for you.. and well.. I envy you.. all those wonderful
stories still to read... :-)

Sprea

Don Rosa wrote:

>What, is this a competition??? It shouldn't be... both because that isn't the
>point... and because you will only become frustrated hearing what we have.
>There are some of us who have full sets of every Disney comic ever printed in
>the USA (or whatever country we're in)... and have near full sets of all other
>comics of the past 50 years. Why worry about what other people have? You can't
>compete with those of us who started before you were born when old, used
>comics >cost half-cover-price (like they still should!).

*Finally* someone had the courage to say this aloud, and of all people,
it was you! These "what have I collected" sound like school assignments
we wrote about "How I spent my Summer" or "What do we get from the cow?"
If I sent in such a list, you would laugh and someone else might plan to
hire a burglar. It really isn't a big deal to be in the right place in the
right time--especially being born in the right decade :-)

Perhaps we will meet when the large Finnish book is released. I translated
your VERY informative introducktions (the Disney spelling) but since
Lindfors translated the actual stories (why don't I ever get any of yours
anymore? Well, I do get almost all long Marco Rota's but that's not the same
thing) there's no danger of giving away the plot or something. I'm looking
forward to the Sampo story as eagerly as everyone else.I wonder if you got
hold of the American book "Finnish Folk Poetry and the Kalevala" by Thomas
DuBois (Garland, 1995.) It shows just what Lonnrot did to those folk poems
in his preliminary versions, the first edition of Kalevala, and its second
edition; the key passages are included in original AND an excellent line by
line English translation. And hey, Lonnrot did NOT write a word of the actual
poems; what he did was to collect them, edit them, normalize the language
which was often originally Karelian, and finally arrange them into the form
of an epic, the way the legendary Homer did--I can't remember when, I wasn't
there.

I found this digest quite accidentally, and want to thank you, Don, for being
as courteous as to answer questions and contribute to the discussion. I am
already beginning to feel you are practically the only reason for staying on
the list.

Btw, Louhi was not originally a baddie in folk poetry. She is a relique of
the ancient matriarchal society, maybe even originally a goddess--cf. the
Minoan culture on Crete. There used to be two Finnish priestesses on a Greek
island, so holy that nobody else was allowed to be buried there, and look at
the Knight's story in "The Canterbury Tales"--Theseus found himself a queen
in Terra Amazonarum, or Qwenland, in Finnish--Kainuu. (To bore you more:
the glaciers of the Ice Age still covered much of what is today known as
Finland. We just had to live a little more down south.)

Okay for now. I'll leave the forum to the next person. But I'll lurk in the
background and when I can't contain myself, I'll jump back again. Bye for
now, and to you, Don, the best of everything.

Markku Saarinen
Helsinki, Finland

In a message dated 8/20/99 10:29:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
(Email removed) writes:

don r writes:
> Oh, are you simply asking what movie it *was* that $crooge saw at the 1904
> World's Fair? I guess maybe it was "The Great Train Robbery" (the first
movie
> with a plot).

ah, but it's not,
the Great Train robbery was released in 1903,

the French had relaeased the Horitz Passion Play on film by the Spring of
1897 (and this was shown in the USA that fall); short comedies (often just a
joke or two)- have been around even longer, again in the 1890s. Melies
famous scince fiction film, Le Voyage Dans la Lune was released in 1902; and
apparently was widely popular in the US in the Winter of 1902-03. Other
examples avialable on reauest

and as for what Scrooge would have seen at the St. Louis World's Fair:
We know that Missouri made "actualiarites" (those films without plots) for
showing at the fair of it's schools and pupils. I'm not really sure what else
might have been shown there, lthough Biograph made films promoting the fair,
and Selig made a film about the opening ceremony...

I'll be happy to bore everyone here by making a list of popular 1904 films...
Steven Rowe

(ahem...stand up on soap box)
There seems to be a continuing and growing problem with at least
some of the translations of DR's stories. Don has expressed his own
concern (for the readers) and frustration on this subject. Is there any
VALID reason why someone like a publisher (ex: Egmont) could not
post the original English script on a web site?

I have floated this idea before in one form or another. I know there may
be legal barriers, but only if someone in power objects and I see this
as a win-win situation. The many fans who enjoy the English versions
get what they want and I really believe this would increase sales of all
the various national copies. It certainly cannot hurt sales. Who would
say "I've read the text, so why buy the book?"? The only ones who may
have a problem with this are the translators who may fear looking bad
because they were careless or just made an honest error with some
of the dialog. In the end, this would even be to their benefit as it would
force them to master their craft and earn the trust and respect of the
readers...especially those who may not understand English and depend
even more on the translator.

I can only imagine how difficult a job this must be, trying to first fully
understand 1) the complex English language itself, 2) the intent of
the author, 3) 'getting' the joke, 4)avoiding possible legal hassels from
a reference to a copyrighted subject , 5)and finally, actually translating
all this into something that hopefully makes sense to people with a
different language, culture, history, reference points, etc. Still, I would
believe that it is posssible if done by someone who genuinely loves
the material and cares for the reader. This may be more important than
the technical aspects of the job.
(getting off soap box)
Gary 'I gotta get a "catch phrase"' Pantzer
Oneida, New York

Hello,
first of all an email to Don Rosa:
I wrote:
> >>>Don Rosa caught my attention when =3D
> I saw his comics in the Donald Duck Extra. His style was great! Later I=
=3D
> heard of his underground "past", and that is excactly what I draw. I'm =
=3D
> sure Don Rosa's example was Robert Crumb.

Don wrote:
> Thanks for the praise, but I do *not* have an "underground past". I hav=
e
never done "underground" comix... I did fanzine comics, something quite
different in spirit and content! And Crumb is *not* an influence on my
style -- I drew this weird long before I first saw Crumb art! (Why do the=
se
false factoids persist? Who is spreading them?)

Well, I'm sorry if I've offended you, Don. You're right that
Underground-comics deal with sex, drugs and rock 'n roll. It became a hab=
it
for me to name all comics drawn in a kinda underground way, an "undergrou=
nd"
comic. You certainly did no underground stuff. The content is indeed
different. Robert Crumb is THE name to mention when talking about
underground. So I did. Sorry once again.

Steven Rowe asked about the "Three Caballeros".
Has anyone ever seen "The Black Cauldron"? (in Holland: "Taran en de
Toverketel"). I saw it when it first came out, and never saw it again,
because it wasn't available on video for years. Untill 1998, when I saw i=
t
in the stores. I bought it immediately for a pretty expensive price. And
what a film it is! Does anyone agree on this one?

And then this:
> I'll be happy to bore everyone here by making a list of popular 1904
films...
> Steven Rowe

You were right about "The Great Train Robbery" being from 1904. I once ma=
de
an essay dealing with the so-called "Cinema of Attractions" (the cinema
before the narrative structure (1907) and showing nothing but spectacle).
Therefore I saw a lot of (short) films from that period. I must say I rea=
lly
like "La Voyage Dans La Lune" (there are many many references to this fil=
m)
and other films of M=E9li=E8s. What a filmmaker he was! I also liked "Lif=
e of an
American Fireman" by Porter, that is the fact that there are two versions=
. I
also like a lot of the short "trick-films" from Path=E9-fr=E8res. I can g=
o one
like this, but I believe this is a Disney mailing list.

Best regards, Menno