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>Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:41:50 -0400
>From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V99 #138
>
>I guess now it's time for speculation to start about the exciting new
>things that Gladstone will *hopefully* have in store for us. And I think
>we all hope that means new titles, and new formats.

Personally, I would like a title: Walt Diseny Presents Ducks by Don Rosa.
Or someting similar. I am sure you know what I mean.

B. Martin

From: Even Flood <(Email removed)>
Subject: re: "Escape from Forbidden Valley"
>>>>It is definitely not the way it reads in Norway. Only one tribe name
is mentioned all the way, it is here called the "Mozo" tribe. It
was an irritating inconstistency in the story that neither Donald
nor the kids recognized the name until rather far into the story
although the it has been mentioned several times earlier. I
suspected someone on this side had done a poor job, things
like that is not like you.

Here is an example of what I referred to once as "sabotage" by a translator. Though some literal-minded list-member thought that is too strong a term, it does not seem too strong to me. The original script was changed for no apparent reason (what possible reason could there be? I can think of none), and since *my* name is one it, *I* am the one who seems to have been so careless. Eric Horthe is a script advisor on my stories for Norway, but he tells me that he was not contacted to help on that one.
There were also several references to the movie KING KONG in the script, but these could have been changed and it would have not had any adverse effect on the logic of the story. In fact, I never expected those references would make it into all translations intact, they were just private jokes. But there was obviously no in-joke aspect of my original script having DD willingly go into the jungle in search of one friendly tribe and find out later that he was in danger of meeting a completely different, hostile tribe, both of which he demonstrates he was already familiar with. A translator should be able to see that and not change my intent or logic. As it is now, I am getting puzzled inquiries from Norwegian readers -- but what about the 99.99999999% of the readers who can't contact me and who are confused by the erroneous translation?
How did it play in other translations?
But like I say, the coloring was nice.

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Well then, my second email to the list!

As I said earlier I wonna make a homepage dedicated to Don Rosa's Uncle =
$crooge comics and the filmreferences in them.

As adedicated filmlover and filmstudent (done Filmacademy and at the =
moment filmstudies at the university) I've noticed a lot of film "links" =
in these comics.
Most of them were allready mentioned by Mr. Rosa at the Uncle $crooge =
Homepage, but some aren't.
I wonna put them all together on a new homepage.

So if there is anyone who has found filmreferences in the comics, not =
mentioned before, please let me know. I'll collect them and add them to =
my page.

Thanks,
Menno Kooistra
(Email removed)

DON asked how his story has been treated in other countries than Norway:

First a little *spoiler*, but not too much: Don's story takes
it's elements from the obvious "Forbidden Valley" story (DD #54)
but also "A Spicy Tale" (U$ 39). Hence the names of the two native
Amazon indian tribes encountered in these stories: Stickaree and
Cura de Coco. It's quite easy to tell them apart BTW, as Stickaree
are humanoids and Cura de Coco anatoids(?). Well, ducks.

I don't quite understand why or how the Norwegian translation would
get away with only one name for the tribes: already on page four
Scrooge realizes that the friendly Cura de Cocos he was hoping to
do business with are instead the savage Stickarees. Donald instantly
recalls his 'recent' trouble with the tribe. (Though he doesn't
recognize the town of Qualma Vista(?) on the splash panel: the palm
trees haven't even grown since his last visit. Eh, Don?)

Would the Norwegian translations of the original Barks stories be
using the same name for both tribes, thus forcing the translator into
what would appear an unnecessarily cumbersome "sabotage" action?

I'm also wondering why the accompanying two page article introducing
the story only mentions the "Forbidden Valley" story (and "Adventure
Down Under"!) but not "A Spicy Tale" as inspiration for the story -
or even the 'first' version of "Forbidden Valley", "Darkest Africa"?
This may be for ERIK HOERTHE to explain, as I understand he writes
these texts.

About the movie references: I did catch one reference to "King Kong",
that being the wooden palisade, but another one(?) about not taking
a shortcut over a fallen tree bridge mystifyed me. And what was the
lastest movie Scrooge was presumed to have seen, Don?
(I don't believe I ever saw the original 1933 "King Kong" movie, so
how obvious the textual references are, I can't really say.)

--

Great idea for a homepage, MENNO! Work fast, please! :-)

oLe
_U

Rich Bellacera wrote:

>Barks stuff
>is available in almost any concievable format and reprinted to the nth
>degree.

"Barks stuff" is presently not being published in any format in the USA.
Serious fans and collectors can locate much of the reprinting we have done
in the past (including up to 12/98), but the general comics reader has no
ready access. The constriction of the Gladstone line through 12/98 does not
mean we've lost interest in reaching these readers.

>I might assume that that is because of fan influence on profit,
>but I have my doubts... I think it may have more to do with laziness or
>cheap way to make a pretty penny... reuse stuff that doesn't cost any
>extra and requires no effort on the publisher's part.

Rich, call us lazy if you like, if things work out we'll resume sweating to
make things happen. Imagine us making money hand over fist, we'll be
crossing our fingers that the next orders cover expenses. Think whatever
you want, reality will go along its merry way.

Menno:

> I'm Menno Kooistra and new to the list.

Welkom!
I know a person called Kooijman, who has a web site about Disney comics.
I know a person called Feenstra, who is a big Don Rosa fan.

You seem to be the combination of these two! (Kooijman + Feenstra = Kooistra
8-)

> I'm a BIG fan of mr. Don Rosa

How did you become a Rosa fan? From the DD Extra? From the OOM DAGOBERT
albums? Or from the American comics?
Or did you get his name from the Stripschrift article?

I think it's interesting to know how a Dutch person becomes a Rosa fan. (I
myself became a fan 2 seconds after I saw his story "Last Sled to Dawson" in
one of the first Gladstone comics I bought.)

--Harry.

Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, Nederland
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/
http://here.is/inducks
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/

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From: "Ole Reichstein Nielsen"
>>>I don't quite understand why or how the Norwegian translation would
get away with only one name for the tribes: (In the Danish version) Donald instantly
recalls his 'recent' trouble with the tribe. (Though he doesn't
recognize the town of Qualma Vista(?)

Who says he doesn't? Maybe he did, but the Stickaree lived far from Qualmy Vista.

>>>on the splash panel: the palm
trees haven't even grown since his last visit. Eh, Don?)

Well, how long ago was he last there? Only a few years. Maybe only a few months.

>>>>Would the Norwegian translations of the original Barks stories be
using the same name for both tribes, thus forcing the translator into
what would appear an unnecessarily cumbersome "sabotage" action?

That would explain it, but that seems absurdly unlikely. It's so hard to find a translator who is familiar with Duck history that the publishers always need to hire special advisors or translators especially for my stories. For the normal translator to use an accurate Barks name in the appropriate story is unlikely enough, but why would he ever pull a Barks name from a totally different story and insert it elsewhere? But you're right -- doing it incorrectly made the job cumbersome! The translator went out of his way to make an error that made his own job more difficult. Very odd!

>>>I did catch one reference to "King Kong",
that being the wooden palisade, but another one(?) about not taking
a shortcut over a fallen tree bridge mystifyed me.

That was a panel that I knew I should redo... it was the last panel of the story that I inked, waiting until the last moment to change it. And then I finally decided I needed money faster than I needed clarity, so I just hurried and inked what was there and shipped it off! But yeah, that was a very obscure in-joke..... even though I consider KING KONG to be one of, perhaps, the world's "basic five" movies (along with my oft-alluded-to CITIZEN KANE) that *everyone* on earth should surely have seen several times. (I'm stunned that there is someone who has not seen it even once! Wow!)

>>>>And what was the lastest movie Scrooge was presumed to have seen, Don?

Uh.... did your translator change something else? The dialogue you refer to originally only said something like "The last movie Unca $crooge saw was at the 1904 St.Louis Fair!" Is that not what the Danish translation says, at least in essence? They make an incomplete reference to some other movie? (I hope the translator was not inserting his own reference to JURASSIC PARK! I would never make a reference to a 1990s movie in a 1950s story!)
Oh, are you simply asking what movie it *was* that $crooge saw at the 1904 World's Fair? I guess maybe it was "The Great Train Robbery" (the first movie with a plot).

From: "Anders Chr. Sivebaek"
>>>>I'm glad to tell you, Don, that in Denmark they used the thickaroo, and
cura-de-cucu-indians. (The way we spell them, at least, and that is okay
with me)

(Me, too!)

>>>I agree with the guy who said the last panel was great.
Nevertheless there seems to be a problem with that last panel, as I didn't
get the dialogue at once in that one... it seemed to be that Donald said
something Scrooge was supoosed to have said... maybe the translators have
to make a mistake once in a while??

Are you saying that, even though the Danish translator did not make an error where the Norwegian one did, he made his own error in the more important final gag? What is $crooge saying in the second-to-last panel where he's blowing on his tea??? He is *supposed* to be asking Donald whether he agrees that the baby dinosaur is silly looking, knowing that Donald will agree with him and look foolish. If this gag was eliminated, then why is the Nephew fussing at $crooge in the last panel in that Danish version??? He is *supposed* to be shaming U$ for playing a mean gag on DD. And then what does the translator have U$ say in the final balloon???
And this is just two panels in one story! I naturally begin to imagine all the alterations and errors made in all my dialogue in all my stories over all the years! And I wonder if many of my original intentions ever get across to the readers at all! But there's nothing I can do about it.... I hope these are just two *very* isolated instances.

> But like I say, the coloring was nice.
>>>It sometimes is. But it's "fun" to have three versions of a story, in a
dk-weekly, the dk-scrooge-book and a ZP from Marco, they are all coloured
different...

No, they aren't! The German Rosa-album series uses the same exact coloring of the weeklies to save $ (as does the Dutch Rosa-album series). But wait... you said "dk"... for Denmark? What "dk-scrooge-book" are you referring to? That Danish "Lo$" book was a one-shot deal, y'know.
But, yes, the Italian coloring is done from scratch, and is the best of all, and they have actual human-artist-drawn (rather than computer-generated-without-proper-software) sound effects and signage like a comic book should! The Italian ZIO PAPERONE versions look as good as the Gladstone versions... (and I hope someday Susan "the colorist" Daigle-Leach and letterers John Clark or Todd Klein get their hands on this story!)

From: "Gary Wilson"
>>>can anyone else on the list
describe their collection as well? I like to hear about other's collections
and to know what I'm up against (:

What, is this a competition??? It shouldn't be... both because that isn't the point... and because you will only become frustrated hearing what we have. There are some of us who have full sets of every Disney comic ever printed in the USA (or whatever country we're in)... and have near full sets of all other comics of the past 50 years. Why worry about what other people have? You can't compete with those of us who started before you were born when old, used comics cost half-cover-price (like they still should!).