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Oho! No problemo. The building shown in "The Golden Fleecing" with 20
stories is clearly NOT the Money Bin. Judging by the views of the office
door leading into a nondescript office building hallway, and the exterior
view of $crooge's window showing a normal multi-windowed building wall, we
can safely treat this scene as taking place in some rattrap auxiliary
office $crooge rents downtown for some reason I could easily come up with
if pressed.

Don Rosa,

though you're dealing with the Money Bin itself, at some point you might
want to do a map of the grounds. In the story involving Death Valley Sandy
and the Duckburg Hall of Science, we learned that there was an old abandoned
tunnel under the Bin. Also, we know that Scrooge had a trapdoor in the
sidewalk outside the Bin (King of the Golden River) and of course the old
Ft. Duckburg escape tunnel to the river.....

From: Blasco Pisapia

> We all know that what Scrooge stores in his Bin is not mere money,
> but memories.
> What if he had designed in there sort of a scenography, portraying
> the places he loved best, such as The Blackjack Ballroom, McDuck
> Castle, and so on.

Yes good idea. But also that is also with trophey room. When he see golden
fleecing he thinks golden fleecing and so on... But with some stories he
can.

I have also a question
The Goose egg, deed and hairs of Goldie in the story "His Magesty McDuck" we
see them in a box. But in other stories the Goose egg we see it in the
trophey room without a box. Maybe this story is before others. But what
happened with the hairs and the deed?
Best Wishes!

Something tells me that Unca Carl never bothered
working out how many rooms there were in the Money
Bin...or the dimensions of the walls...or how many
floors there were. If he had a good idea, he put it
in!

There's plenty of unnecessary, dull complication in
superhero comics...one of the reasons why I like
Barks' ducks is because he didn't worry about stuff
like that.

VIC

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At 2000-11-27 20:48 +0100, Blasco Pisapia wrote:
> Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then the
> Bin should be about 3 times as big: 360 feet.

Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then the
Bin would be 6-dimensional.

"Cubic acres" is funny because it's absurd, like the centrifugilillions,
and it can't be converted to a volume -- although I'm sure there will be
non-mathematicians ready to argue that a cubic acre is the volume of a cube
whose side has a surface of one acre.

Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/

Hm! Two of the messages I sent yesterday were skipped over and not in that
last Digest! That's odd. I'll post them again:
--------------------------------------------------
A different subject.
I'm getting the impression that hardly anyone is finding that COMICS
JOURNAL from last month with the Barks tribute. Too bad -- I thought TCJs
were easier to locate -- it's the best English-language comic-art magazine
what am, after all. I'd hate to think that even in Europe a piece of crap
like WIZARD is easier to locate.
Anyway, my very (very) longtime friend Jim Vadeboncoeur, my choice for the
world's foremost authority on comic artists and magazine illustrators, sent
me an e-mail asking permission to put my text from that TCJ issue onto his
website where he has just added a Carl Barks entry into his database of
history's greatest illustrators. I don't suggest that my piece is the only
one from TCJ that's worth reading, or that it *is* worth reading, but it's
the only thing in that issue I can help direct interested parties toward.
You can see it on his website http://www.bpib.com/illustra.htm ... and
while you're there, read all you want about all the other great cartoonists
and magazine illustrators! The people at TCJ would never have the time to
offer reports on all of these masters, and the people at WIZARD have never
heard of any of them.
_____________________________________
From: "Santiago Garcia Banhos"
>>>Don:
I think you should add rooms to show how Scrooge is mean. For example, he
could have a huge room oriented to RECICLYNG all the papers, pencils' chip,
and so, used in his office.

Believe it or not, I already have that in my plans (suggested by Duckfan
extrodinaire Elli Kotovirta, the Finnish-girl-with-braids who is
responsible for me doing that Kalevala story).

From: "Apostolis Trikourakis"
>>>That'll be nice of you :-) Nobody will be displeased then!

Hahahahahaha!!! You should be me for a day! One thing I've learned is that
no matter WHAT you do, you won't please the people who are determined to
not be pleased. That's life...

>>>But I'm confused
with the number of floors the Bin have. Is it 2-3 or 10-12 or more?

Well, I wasn't gonna criticize the plans you sketched, but I was sorta
shocked to see only 3 floors! You thought the Bin might be only about 30
feet tall? How could that hold 100 ft. of cash? There's more than 30 ft.
just *above* the money level.
And, as I calculate there is about 30 ft. above the 100 ft. of money, my
plans call for either 12 or 13 stories. And I already have enough stuff to
fill almost all those. Yes, several floors are just vast seas of office
workers or files or such. (Be forewarned: my Bin plans will be interesting,
but NOT very exciting!)

From: Blasco Pisapia
>>>To DON ROSA:
Concerning the Bin's dimensions, we have two conflicting evidences:
1- the depth gauge is 100 feet high, hence the vault should
measure
about 120 feet in height;
2- in the Bin there are 3 cubic acres of cash;
Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then
the Bin should be about 3 times as big: 360 feet.
You seem to have chosen the evidence of the depth gauge, ignoring the
other fact. Is it so? Or is there a way to respect both statements?

Yes, I go by the depth guage since that has been used so often, so clearly,
I could hardly ignore it. And I think Barks' exterior views of the Bin have
always looked like they were of an approximately 12 +- story structure. If
anyone can think of how to also respect the 3 cubic acres of cash bit,
lemmee know.

>>>What if he had designed in there sort of a scenography, portraying
the places he loved best, such as The Blackjack Ballroom, McDuck
Castle, and so on.

In his bedroom is one particular little "shrine" with an eternal flame. But
wait... you'll see.

From: "Apostolis Trikourakis"
>>>The Golden Fleecing: On page 10, panel 2, we can see Scrooge saying
(according to the Greek translation): "I don't believe you. We are in the
20th floor!".

Oh, jeeze! I need to check that one! (But if it's true, I'll need to just
ignore it! I can't see the place being so tall.)

>>>Island in the Sky: On page 1, panel 1, we can see a door to the roof.
It's
in the middle of the roof.

Got it. I've always drawn it that way.

>>>The Money Champ (US 27): On page 4, panels 7 & 8, and on page 5, panel
1, we
can see a Diamond's fountain and a skier's racetrack (but I'm sure that the
Bin doesn't have a fountain and a racetrack!)

Right!

>>>The Mines of King Solomon (US 19): On page 1, panels 1,2 and 4, we can
see
an "Army" of employees. So, the Bin must have a lot of offices

Nope. $crooge does it in 1902 style. Single room floors with seas of desks.

>>>Microducks from Outer Space (US 65): There is a small safe with samples
from
Scrooge's plantations (page 7, panel 3).

Safes are like furniture, not structural elements.

KLAUS HARMS to me, 25-11-2000:

>> Could "talking parrot" (OS356) be a Barks-gag?
>> "http://www.seriesam.com/barks/dc_os0356-05u.jpg"
>> [SNIP] are there noticeable differences with the other
>> two gags in the issue, which were also drawn by Frank
>> McSavage?

> It would be fine to see these two, also. Anyone has scans
> of these?

There's another such instance: Barks also made a one page gag for
Donald Duck One Shot 348.

(In his book, Michael Barrier again lists this entry as both "one-page
gag" and "one-page gag idea". I guess he means the latter?)

There are more of such gags mentioned in Barrier, but some don't
contain any clue in which comic they should/would have appeared.
Others contain the description "to be used as needed" or "for future
use". Interestingly, besides Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge gags,
there also is a Bugs Bunny gag "for future use" among them.

Others do contain a description, but again no issue directions.
For example, a one page gag idea described as "gets picture taken"
(submitted on February 6, 1953) and a one page gag idea for
Donald Duck described as "tennis match" (October 15, 1953).

Maybe these gags can be found by searching through the comics of
that period, looking for gags which may match the description.

Barrier also lists covers, like an art only cover for Boys' and
Girls' March of Comics, submitted on February 21, 1952, described
as "duck plays water piccolo".

BTW. If there's enough interest for this Barks treasure hunting,
then I will list all Barks' unpublished/unidentified work in one
of my future contributions.

>> [Parrot gag] Below are some points of which I think that they
>> may have some resemblances with Barks' style.
>> * Though the dialogue ("Say: "Polly wants a cracker!"") in the
>> first six panels keeps the same, there's an interesting detailed
>> usage of bold lettering which illustrates Donald getting more and
>> more desperate in his attempts to make the parrot talk.

> I think that monotonous repetition of a single phrase is uncommon
> in Barks' work, though the increase of intensity looks very typical
> to me.

The Uncle Scrooge parrot gag of US 61 also contains the repetition of
the same line (six times in four panels), which is "Scrooge is a nice
fellow!". In this case, without bold lettering. (Since in this case
the parrot *does* respond, there's no need for it, though.)

> (BTW: That is what made me attribute the gag page to Barks as its
> likeliest author in an article I wrote for "Der Donaldist" 89 some
> time ago).

Did you research other unpublished/unidentified Barks work as well?
If so, did you find other work which possibly is done by Barks?

>> * Donald's comment "Oh, go fall in a lake, you blankety-blank,
>> stupid BONEHEAD!"

> The "Bonehead" attribute is used in a later-on Barks comic, by a
> nephew in WDC 132. Strong hint on Barks as author.

I think I remember that Barks also used "bonehead" in an Our Gang
story with Barney Bear and Benny Burro. In addition, the Yellowstone
story of Our Gang No. 24 contains a reference to Daniel Boone.

In script-only story "The Day the Mountain Shook" (JW 13), Barks
used "beanhead" as a low (or the lowest) Junior Woodchuck rank.

>> * The backlight in panel 4. (Donald and the parrot being shown as
>> silhouettes, because of the light coming through the window.)

> Frank McSavage is very familiar with silhouette and shading
> techniques; please look at "The Crocodile Collector", "Seeing
> Things" (both DDOS 348), and "Rags to Riches" (DDOS 356),
> respectively, for reference.

I wish I could, but I don't have these issues.

Is there somebody who can scan the gags of One Shots 348 and 356?
Preferably in at least the same size as
"http://www.seriesam.com/barks/dc_os0356-05u.jpg"?

Best wishes,

--- Daniel

"Donald is deliberately swimming away from us!"