From: Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
> Are there any known typogracifal errors which became known after
> the publication of Michael Barrier's book?
There are I believe very very few mistakes in this book. But I remember that
Barrier wrote that "Donald Tames his Temper" (the WDC ten-pager story) was
the first Barks story to feature Daisy. This is in fact "The Mighty Trapper"
when Daisy makes a cameo appearance.
Apart from that I can't name even one other tiny error!
Francois
Author
Topic: 200011
(215 messages)
François Willot
Michael Barrier, some questions
Message 196 -
2000-11-29 at 00:36:17
Rob Klein
Parrot Gag vs. Barks
Message 197 -
2000-11-29 at 00:42:53
Regarding Daniel van Eijmeren's theory that Barks MAY have written the 1951
Parrot gag drawn by Frank McSavage: When the information in the Western
Pub. payroll documents refers to "one page Donald Duck gag", that indicates
that barks submitted a rough sketch layout of a one-page gag. He got payed
for the "writing" of that gag. It was accepted for use, but not assigned
to a particular magazine. Further, that gag may never have been used. It
may have even been drawn up later by another artist (or Carl himself), and
still never published. It may have also been drawn up later by Barks and
placed in a later comic book (as several of his 1-page DD & US gags drawn
in 1957-58 were finally printed in 1960, 1961 and 1962). The gag itself
has the flavour of a Barks gag, but the intensity of Donalds changes in
emotion are weak. Also, I am SURE Barks would not have used the EXACT same
dialogue in each of Donald's balloons. If I had been lucky enough to
receive a copy of Barks' sketches for the gag, I would have remained as
faithful to the staging and dialogue as possible. If McSavage indeed,
received the originals, he did a masterful job of butchery ("McSavagery")
as did Tony Strobl and Kay Wright to Barks' later story sketches. My
instinct tells me this is NOT a Barks script, or it is a well-changed
version. I would be interested to see the other 2 gag pages in that issue
of Donald Duck. Can anyone scan them and offer them on a site for the
DCML?
Rob Klein
Parrot gag drawn by Frank McSavage: When the information in the Western
Pub. payroll documents refers to "one page Donald Duck gag", that indicates
that barks submitted a rough sketch layout of a one-page gag. He got payed
for the "writing" of that gag. It was accepted for use, but not assigned
to a particular magazine. Further, that gag may never have been used. It
may have even been drawn up later by another artist (or Carl himself), and
still never published. It may have also been drawn up later by Barks and
placed in a later comic book (as several of his 1-page DD & US gags drawn
in 1957-58 were finally printed in 1960, 1961 and 1962). The gag itself
has the flavour of a Barks gag, but the intensity of Donalds changes in
emotion are weak. Also, I am SURE Barks would not have used the EXACT same
dialogue in each of Donald's balloons. If I had been lucky enough to
receive a copy of Barks' sketches for the gag, I would have remained as
faithful to the staging and dialogue as possible. If McSavage indeed,
received the originals, he did a masterful job of butchery ("McSavagery")
as did Tony Strobl and Kay Wright to Barks' later story sketches. My
instinct tells me this is NOT a Barks script, or it is a well-changed
version. I would be interested to see the other 2 gag pages in that issue
of Donald Duck. Can anyone scan them and offer them on a site for the
DCML?
Rob Klein
Ojerasmus
DCML digest, Vol 1 #334 - 13 msgs
Message 198 -
2000-11-29 at 01:42:43
In a message dated 28/11/00 15:28:16 GMT Standard Time,
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
<< 'm getting the impression that hardly anyone is finding that COMICS
JOURNAL from last month with the Barks tribute. Too bad -- I thought TCJs
were easier to locate -- it's the best English-language comic-art magazine
what am, after all. I'd hate to think that even in Europe a piece of crap
like WIZARD is easier to locate. >>
I think that at least part of that was down to the appeal of that great wrap
around Barks cover. I buy the Journal regularly and ended up trying a dozen
stores for that issue only to find it sold out everywhere something that I've
never come close to experiencing in the past. Here in the UK Barks isn't as
well known as elsewhere but people certainly wanted to buy that issue of the
Journal.
I did finally get a copy yesterday and thought it was extremely well done,
the little strip by Lewis Trondheim (one of my favorite current artists) set
the tone of the whole thing for me, it was sad reading even this late after
the event but the memories of the stories cheered me up just as they did in
the Trondheim story.
I really hope you can all find a copy eventually, I got the last one when I
finally found it or I'd offer to pick up some more.
Owen Erasmus
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
<< 'm getting the impression that hardly anyone is finding that COMICS
JOURNAL from last month with the Barks tribute. Too bad -- I thought TCJs
were easier to locate -- it's the best English-language comic-art magazine
what am, after all. I'd hate to think that even in Europe a piece of crap
like WIZARD is easier to locate. >>
I think that at least part of that was down to the appeal of that great wrap
around Barks cover. I buy the Journal regularly and ended up trying a dozen
stores for that issue only to find it sold out everywhere something that I've
never come close to experiencing in the past. Here in the UK Barks isn't as
well known as elsewhere but people certainly wanted to buy that issue of the
Journal.
I did finally get a copy yesterday and thought it was extremely well done,
the little strip by Lewis Trondheim (one of my favorite current artists) set
the tone of the whole thing for me, it was sad reading even this late after
the event but the memories of the stories cheered me up just as they did in
the Trondheim story.
I really hope you can all find a copy eventually, I got the last one when I
finally found it or I'd offer to pick up some more.
Owen Erasmus
Fabio Blanco
Temple of Zoroaster
Message 199 -
2000-11-29 at 06:20:10
Hi evr'ybody!!!
I am really enjoying all the recent messages...
Thanks all for make the life a bit better!!!
Now, a question about a $crooge comic I always remember... Maybe is very
obvious for all of you, but I can't find which is...
I remember the desert, and vessels with wheels and a long stick in the
forward, fixed to find the invisible temple of Zoroaster (or Zarathustra)...
Can you help me to identify this adventure? I would like read it again...
Thanks!
Fabio Blanco
(from Argentina, the country where the Andes are, you know...)
**************************
Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar
I am really enjoying all the recent messages...
Thanks all for make the life a bit better!!!
Now, a question about a $crooge comic I always remember... Maybe is very
obvious for all of you, but I can't find which is...
I remember the desert, and vessels with wheels and a long stick in the
forward, fixed to find the invisible temple of Zoroaster (or Zarathustra)...
Can you help me to identify this adventure? I would like read it again...
Thanks!
Fabio Blanco
(from Argentina, the country where the Andes are, you know...)
**************************
Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar
Kriton Kyrimis
$crooges money bin!
Message 200 -
2000-11-29 at 09:32:55
DON:
> If anyone can think of how to also respect the 3 cubic acres of cash bit,
> lemmee know.
Actually, if anyone can figure out how the money bin can be six-dimensional
and make a story out of it, that's you!
> >>>The Golden Fleecing: On page 10, panel 2, we can see Scrooge saying
> (according to the Greek translation): "I don't believe you. We are in the
> 20th floor!".
>
> Oh, jeeze! I need to check that one! (But if it's true, I'll need to just
> ignore it! I can't see the place being so tall.)
It can be, if the floors are duck-sized, rather than human-sized. Why
waste all this premium office space by having non-functional high
ceilings? Besides, Uncle Scrooge's employees should be sitting on their
desks working, rather than standing upright for useless things such as
coffee breaks, so duck height is plenty of height even for them!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I am not a student of human nature. I am a professor of a far wider academy,
of which human nature is merely a part."
-----
> If anyone can think of how to also respect the 3 cubic acres of cash bit,
> lemmee know.
Actually, if anyone can figure out how the money bin can be six-dimensional
and make a story out of it, that's you!
> >>>The Golden Fleecing: On page 10, panel 2, we can see Scrooge saying
> (according to the Greek translation): "I don't believe you. We are in the
> 20th floor!".
>
> Oh, jeeze! I need to check that one! (But if it's true, I'll need to just
> ignore it! I can't see the place being so tall.)
It can be, if the floors are duck-sized, rather than human-sized. Why
waste all this premium office space by having non-functional high
ceilings? Besides, Uncle Scrooge's employees should be sitting on their
desks working, rather than standing upright for useless things such as
coffee breaks, so duck height is plenty of height even for them!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I am not a student of human nature. I am a professor of a far wider academy,
of which human nature is merely a part."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
Suppressed desire story
Message 201 -
2000-11-29 at 09:48:54
Yesterday I reread Barks' story where, invited to a suppressed desire
party, Donald went dressed up as a knight in shining armor, and everyone
kept making fun of him.
This story always disturbed me. *Why* did everyone make fun of Donald for
wanting to be a knight? The only reason I could think would be that they
were being too literal: since it is no longer possible to become a knight,
arriving at the suppressed desire party dressed up as such would indicate
a misunderstanding of the rules of the party. (However, given that most of
the ladies in the party, including Daisy, were dressed up as 19th century
senoritas, like those in "Old California", he wouldn't be the only one.)
Even the ending of the story seems wrong. I would have expected Barks to
start with a story initially praising knighthood, but in the end showing
that there is no such thing any more, rather than the reverse. Could it
be that Barks was poking fun at his own bitter attitude?
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I am not a student of human nature. I am a professor of a far wider academy,
of which human nature is merely a part."
-----
party, Donald went dressed up as a knight in shining armor, and everyone
kept making fun of him.
This story always disturbed me. *Why* did everyone make fun of Donald for
wanting to be a knight? The only reason I could think would be that they
were being too literal: since it is no longer possible to become a knight,
arriving at the suppressed desire party dressed up as such would indicate
a misunderstanding of the rules of the party. (However, given that most of
the ladies in the party, including Daisy, were dressed up as 19th century
senoritas, like those in "Old California", he wouldn't be the only one.)
Even the ending of the story seems wrong. I would have expected Barks to
start with a story initially praising knighthood, but in the end showing
that there is no such thing any more, rather than the reverse. Could it
be that Barks was poking fun at his own bitter attitude?
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I am not a student of human nature. I am a professor of a far wider academy,
of which human nature is merely a part."
-----
Santiago Garcia Banhos
Bin's controversial dimensions
Message 202 -
2000-11-29 at 10:33:26
Don:
>From: Blasco Pisapia
> 1- the depth gauge is 100 feet high, hence the vault should
>measure
> about 120 feet in height;
> 2- in the Bin there are 3 cubic acres of cash;
> Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then
>the Bin should be about 3 times as big: 360 feet.
>>Yes, I go by the depth guage since that has been used so often, so
>>clearly,I could hardly ignore it. And I think Barks' exterior views of the
>>Bin have always looked like they were of an approximately 12 +- story
>>structure. If anyone can think of how to also respect the 3 cubic acres of
>>cash bit, lemmee know.
Maybe with a 260-feet basement? :-)
Or even a easier solution: the bin could have been built 100 feet high, and
years after was enhightened to 360 feet due to money-storage problems. ?Uh?
Santiago.
>From: Blasco Pisapia
> 1- the depth gauge is 100 feet high, hence the vault should
>measure
> about 120 feet in height;
> 2- in the Bin there are 3 cubic acres of cash;
> Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then
>the Bin should be about 3 times as big: 360 feet.
>>Yes, I go by the depth guage since that has been used so often, so
>>clearly,I could hardly ignore it. And I think Barks' exterior views of the
>>Bin have always looked like they were of an approximately 12 +- story
>>structure. If anyone can think of how to also respect the 3 cubic acres of
>>cash bit, lemmee know.
Maybe with a 260-feet basement? :-)
Or even a easier solution: the bin could have been built 100 feet high, and
years after was enhightened to 360 feet due to money-storage problems. ?Uh?
Santiago.
Fluks, H.W.
Money Bins/McDuck Building
Message 203 -
2000-11-29 at 10:35:50
Rob:
> Scrooge must have had his money stored in one, or
> several "McDuck
> Buildings" from 1947 most of 1951. Then, he moved most of
> his money to his
> new cubic "safelike" Money Bin on Killmotor Hill. Through
> the years, with
> his new earnings piling up, he added new money bins (or changed its
> location).
And then he repeatedly stated that his money has been in his bin for years,
and that *the* bin is the only place where he keeps his money. This makes no
sense.
Making something consistent out of Barks' stories is not possible in this
case: one has to disregard at least half of the stories to make a
"consistent world". Of course, that doesn't stop Don Rosa from trying, and
I'm curious about the result.
--Harry.
(Who knows that the *real* bin is now, in shrunken state, in Arthur de
Wolf's home.)
> Scrooge must have had his money stored in one, or
> several "McDuck
> Buildings" from 1947 most of 1951. Then, he moved most of
> his money to his
> new cubic "safelike" Money Bin on Killmotor Hill. Through
> the years, with
> his new earnings piling up, he added new money bins (or changed its
> location).
And then he repeatedly stated that his money has been in his bin for years,
and that *the* bin is the only place where he keeps his money. This makes no
sense.
Making something consistent out of Barks' stories is not possible in this
case: one has to disregard at least half of the stories to make a
"consistent world". Of course, that doesn't stop Don Rosa from trying, and
I'm curious about the result.
--Harry.
(Who knows that the *real* bin is now, in shrunken state, in Arthur de
Wolf's home.)
Per Starback
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Message 204 -
2000-11-29 at 14:07:51
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Marco Barlotti
Cubic acres from the Physicist's POW
Message 205 -
2000-11-29 at 16:39:01
Regarding the ongoing discussion of the Money Bin and its content being
expressed in "cubic acres"...
A friend of mine, Dario Ambrosini, currently a subscriber of this list but
apparently too shy to contribute this directly ;-) sent me the following
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/dcml/CubicAcres.gif
taken from the journal of the American Association of Physics Teachers.
You might enjoy reading it. And anyway it's nice to see a Barks story
quoted among the references of a scientific article...
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex
expressed in "cubic acres"...
A friend of mine, Dario Ambrosini, currently a subscriber of this list but
apparently too shy to contribute this directly ;-) sent me the following
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/dcml/CubicAcres.gif
taken from the journal of the American Association of Physics Teachers.
You might enjoy reading it. And anyway it's nice to see a Barks story
quoted among the references of a scientific article...
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex
Tensore
Phantom Blot
Message 206 -
2000-11-29 at 20:32:39
Why there isn't the picture of Phantom Blot without the mask?
Rodney W Bowcock Jr.
Barks a fan of Jack Benny?
Message 207 -
2000-11-30 at 01:30:51
Does anyone know if Carl Barks was a fan of the Jack Benny radio program?
Like Scrooge, Jack Benny was a very cheap character (someone once said
that they saw him squeeze a nickel so hard that when he opened his hand
there was only a needle....) and (very similar to the money bin) kept his
life savings in a vault in his basement that was guarded by a polar bear
(named Charmichael). Just an interesting similarity I thought of long
ago, but just recently thought to ask someone else.
Rodney
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Like Scrooge, Jack Benny was a very cheap character (someone once said
that they saw him squeeze a nickel so hard that when he opened his hand
there was only a needle....) and (very similar to the money bin) kept his
life savings in a vault in his basement that was guarded by a polar bear
(named Charmichael). Just an interesting similarity I thought of long
ago, but just recently thought to ask someone else.
Rodney
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Money perfume / "My" first story
Message 208 -
2000-11-30 at 04:53:43
PAOLO CASTAGNO to me, 27-11-2000:
Thanks for your information on Scarpa's money perfume story.
I'm surprised that it has never been printed by Gladstone, even
though they do mention it in US 242. Could there have been a
reason for that?
> ...and congratulations for your firts story!!
Thanks! It's not really mine, though. It's a script-only Huey, Dewey
and Louie 4 pager, roughly based on a text-script by me.
My version was a Donald story and didn't contain the nephews. Frank
gave (most of) Donald's role to the nephews, while giving Donald a
new (minor) role.
I sent some plot-only ideas to Frank. I was wondering if I would
bother him with such submissions, which became the basic idea for
this story.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"Oh, goodneth! Ith that all the higher you can fly a kite?
Dearie me! You mutht not know much about it!"
Thanks for your information on Scarpa's money perfume story.
I'm surprised that it has never been printed by Gladstone, even
though they do mention it in US 242. Could there have been a
reason for that?
> ...and congratulations for your firts story!!
Thanks! It's not really mine, though. It's a script-only Huey, Dewey
and Louie 4 pager, roughly based on a text-script by me.
My version was a Donald story and didn't contain the nephews. Frank
gave (most of) Donald's role to the nephews, while giving Donald a
new (minor) role.
I sent some plot-only ideas to Frank. I was wondering if I would
bother him with such submissions, which became the basic idea for
this story.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"Oh, goodneth! Ith that all the higher you can fly a kite?
Dearie me! You mutht not know much about it!"
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Monty Python's Scrooge-like merchant banker
Message 209 -
2000-11-30 at 05:58:25
MARTIN BERGLUND, 28-11-2000:
Thanks for your information on Terry Gilliam.
> You're right, that sketch is *very* Scrooge-like.
I've done some searching and found a transcription (or script?)
of the Merchant Banker sketch at:
"http://www.montypython.net/scripts/merchant.php3"
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Inspector: "And what is this one: Spring Surprise?"
Mr. Hilton: "Ah, that's one of our specialities. Covered in dark,
velvety chocolate, when you pop it into your mouth, stainless steel
bolts spring out and plunge straight through both cheeks."
(http://www.montypython.net/sounds/sketches/springsu.wav)
Thanks for your information on Terry Gilliam.
> You're right, that sketch is *very* Scrooge-like.
I've done some searching and found a transcription (or script?)
of the Merchant Banker sketch at:
"http://www.montypython.net/scripts/merchant.php3"
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Inspector: "And what is this one: Spring Surprise?"
Mr. Hilton: "Ah, that's one of our specialities. Covered in dark,
velvety chocolate, when you pop it into your mouth, stainless steel
bolts spring out and plunge straight through both cheeks."
(http://www.montypython.net/sounds/sketches/springsu.wav)
YMH
Donald Duck Goin' Quackers
Message 210 -
2000-11-30 at 08:46:56
A few months back, I posted a message about an upcoming Donald Duck video
game, many elements and characters of which seem to be taken from the Duck
comic universe (which is, I hope, given the respect it deserves). I was asked
whether there would be a PC version of this game available as well, and as it
turns out, the answer is yes! Not only that, but it's only $20! (The typical
new PC game costs about $40.) And it comes with a free gamepad!
You can get it here:
http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&
Section_Id=11881&Product_Id=81158
Naturally, this sounds way too good to be true. I emailed Disney to ask if a
free demonstration version of the game was available... If it does, I'll give
it a try and post here about what it's like. If anyone actually does purchase
the thing, please do let me know if it's any good.
Thanks very much,
Yossi Horowitz
game, many elements and characters of which seem to be taken from the Duck
comic universe (which is, I hope, given the respect it deserves). I was asked
whether there would be a PC version of this game available as well, and as it
turns out, the answer is yes! Not only that, but it's only $20! (The typical
new PC game costs about $40.) And it comes with a free gamepad!
You can get it here:
http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&
Section_Id=11881&Product_Id=81158
Naturally, this sounds way too good to be true. I emailed Disney to ask if a
free demonstration version of the game was available... If it does, I'll give
it a try and post here about what it's like. If anyone actually does purchase
the thing, please do let me know if it's any good.
Thanks very much,
Yossi Horowitz