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I got the following request. I'm not sure Matthew has become a DCML member
yet, so probably answers should go to his private e-mail address.

--Harry.

> From: McDavitt, Matthew T (CAP, CARD)
> [mailto:Matthew.McDavitt at gecapital.com]
> Subject: sawfishes in Disney
>
>
> Dear Harry,
>
> I greatly enjoyed your extensive website database of Disney
> comics. Through it I have been able to identify comics in
> which the sawfish (a large relative of sharks with a long
> toothy snout) appears. I have been able to find two of the
> sawfish covers through the linked cover galleries, but
> several are not yet available online. Do you know any
> individuals or groups I could contact to obtain scans or
> photocopies of European Disney covers? Specifically, I am
> looking for:
>
> DISNEY COMIC BOOK COVERS WITH SAWFISH
> 1. Anders And & Co. #1990-09 (Feb 1990) -cover: Donald hockey
> goalie and sawfish [Denmark]
> Aku Ankka #1990-10 (Mar 1990) - cover: Donald hockey goalie
> and sawfish [Finland]
> Donald Duck 2. Auflage #270 (Jan 1990) - cover: Donald hockey
> goalie and sawfish [Germany]
>
> 2. Anders And & Co. #1991-01 (Jan 1999) -cover: Donald ice
> fishing and sawfish [Denmark]
> Donald Duck & Co. #1999-01 (Jan 1999) -cover: Donald ice
> fishing and sawfish [Norway]
>
> 3. Anders And & Co. #1968-25 (June 1968) -cover: Sawfish &
> inflatable beach toy [Denmark]
> Micky Maus #1968-28 (July 1968) -cover: Sawfish & inflatable
> beach toy [Germany]
> Kalle Anka #1968-24 (June 1968) -cover: Sawfish & inflatable
> beach toy [Sweden]
>
> 4. Topolino (Libretto) #2388 (Sep 2001) -cover: sawfish.
> (Mickey & Minnie) [Italy]
>
> 5. Donald Duck #293 (Nov 1995) -cover: Donald boat sunk by shark?
>
> I appreciate any information or assistance you can provide.
>
> Matthew McDavitt
> 6342 Hawthorne Terrace
> Norcross GA 30092
> USA
>

No, Magica appeared for the first time 4 issues before that, in Uncle
Scrooge #36 ("The Midas Touch").
(And again in US 38.)

--Harry.

Thank you Harry. I was working from memory and I suffer from Blinkus of the Thinkus (I keep asking myself why I have those four rocks in my back yard, I know I put them there for some reason). It may not be her first appearance, but is it (number 40) the actual rarest? I'm pretty sure it was the first Gold Key and that it was late because of the change in art style (the abandoned non gutter idea), but my memory may be off there too (I'm at work and I forgot to check them when I got home last night). Does anyone have an answer? Is 40 the rarest? Could there be 100,000 179's in a warehouse somewhere (or in a suken city, but they'd never be in mint shape after that trip)? I've seen far, FAR more 179's that 40's (but then again I own 40 but not 179, go figure). Any ideas?

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From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g at aol.com)
Subject: Cars [to Don Rosa]
>>>If Donald Duck has built his 313 alone with spare parts, why does the car
have a name? (Belchfire Runabout).

Where did you get that name? From the Barks painting of the 80's/90's? The
info in my story about the various makes of the car parts that the "313" is
made up of came from a Barks story from the 40's. Regardless of the dating,
as I've said before as far as I'm concerned any info from a Barks story
completely overrules any info from a Barks painting of that much-later
period of work. The stories are the only things that matter to me.

>>>And why, in the story "The Duck Who never was", does the car exist when
Donald doesn't?

Well, if he got the car body parts from one particular make (I won't even
check which make that is), why would another car not exist that externally
resembled the actual "313"? But I really didn't worry about this -- I wanted
that car to exist in that story, so it existed. Didn't you know that the
story you refer to was only a dream? Maybe.

>>>>About Grandma's Detroit Electric car:
It seems that there are two distinct cars: one is more square than the
other...
There is another problem: why is the number of the car sometimes 1902,
sometimes 1890 ? ? ?

As Barks did not create that car, I don't worry about it much. Those
"numbers" you refer to are years, the dates that the cars were supposedly
built. But I doubt that the artists really checked to see if Studebaker
Electrics were made in either of those rather *too early* years, or exactly
what they looked like.
Normally I would say "don't worry about this stuff so much! You'll make
yourself crazy! Even *I* don't pay such attention to details when I don't
want to!"... but I know your mission is to fit *everything* that's ever
appeared in *any* Disney comic story made *anywhere at any time* together
into ONE continuity-reality. And since I know that that project is such a
handful that it will eventually drive you into an asylum, I won't add to
your difficulties. Carry on...

Hi to everyone!
I'm afraid that this message is a bit off topic....

I'm planning to spend three days in Paris next week.
I'll be there from Good Friday until Monday morning.
I'm not sure whether there is some list member from Paris or not.
It would be very nice (if there is any) to meet for a coffee, or may
be go haunting comics shops together: I really doubt that I would
have any chance forcing my Italian friends into going for old comics.
So, if there is someone having a spare afternoon, let me know.

Bye
Blasco

I was going through my books tonight to make of list of what I'm missing (haven't really gone through them in about 3 years, I have been out of collecting for almost 7 years) and I was looking at some issue when I discovered something odd. I was always aware that the 70's issues of all Disney comics appeared with either the Gold Key or the Whitman logos, but I found that the cover colors are different on the few that I have both versions of. Example: I have two copies of Uncle Scrooge 125 (reprints "Hall of the Mermaid Queen" from US #68), one with the Whitman logo and one with the Gold Key. The cave wall on the Gold Key copy is a dark purple (almost royal blue with a little red in it), the Whitman copy is a much lighter purple (almost lavender). Scrooge's wet suit is a different color (blue on one, pruple on the other) and so is a fish that appears to the right of his right foot. Now I realize this is a little nit picky, but it's enough to make me wonder if these issue were possibly printed at different times. The adds are the same through out booth books and the back covers have the same add. The indicia is also the same. I guess the question I'm posting is this: Are the Whitman issues printed by different print houses or could they have been reprinted later to fill the 3 issue bags when they ran out of books? From what I've read in "Uncle Scrooge- His Life and Times+ (first trade edition, 1987) the different logos began to appear due to distribution (perhaps pre existing contracts with Gold Key that had to be filled to vendors under the Gold Key logo, the book does not go into detail). It does not reference different printers as having produced the issues, and it does not mention color differences. Any thoughts on this would be welcome.

Also I would like to add that when I found this mailing list I was skeptical. I've always had issues with online forums and mail lists and such, guess I'm an old fashion kinda guy, which is odd at 27. But I've been reading the posts for a few weeks now and I'm really starting to enjoy them a lot. I work for a large Internet company and have been a professional computer tech for years, long enough to learn to hate the Internet I guess, but every once in a while I find a spot on the information super highway seem less like a smut factory and more like a community, and this is definitely a community. I may be new to it this group, but I'm already starting look forward to checking my email and seeing what new posts are on the list. Sorry to sound so sappy, but it's not often that I get to talk "Ducks" and I appreciate the fact that now I can. I joined this list on a whim a few weeks ago and the site has rekindled a life long interest of mine. Thank you.

Geo

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Um... I sent part of this message a few days ago, but it never showed up in
the Digest. Sorry if this gets duplicated somewhere...

From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Gilles)
>>>>If Donald Duck has built his 313 alone with spare parts, why does the
car
have a name? (Belchfire Runabout).

Where do you get that name? From one of those Barks oil paintings done in
the 90's? I got the names and parts I used in my story (you seem to refer
to) from a 1940's Barks story. As I've said before, I disregard any new info
that appeared in those oil paintings.

>>>>And why, in the story "The Duck Who never was", does the car exist when
Donald doesn't?

Even though the real "313" was built of spare parts, the body would have
come from one model, so there could be a car that externally resembles the
"313" without Donald's involvement. But anyway, remember that story was a
dream Donald had. Maybe.

>>>>About Grandma's Detroit Electric car:
It seems that there are two distinct cars: one is more square than the
other...

Since that car isn't a Barks invention, I never noticed. I'd attribute that
to two distinct artists, one is more square than the other.

>>>There is another problem: why is the number of the car sometimes 1902,
sometimes 1890 ? ? ?

Those "numbers" are the years that the artist is implying that the
Studebaker Electric was built, but they seem a bit early-ish, especially
"1890"! I rather doubt that any artist really checked to see if they had the
years or designs correct. And they shouldn't -- who wants a realistically
drawn car in such a story?

>>>>A question which has nothing to do with the preceding questions: do you
still
have contacts with Marc Worden?

Not for a few years.

>>> Does he draw Disney comic stories? If
no, what was/is the link between him and Disney Comics universe?

He had the highest of all callings... he was just a fan. Like I was when I
knew him.

>>>>Did you know that Gus's relatives in his tree were characters from barks
stories before I told about this in my site?

Sure.
(Are these questions you want to appear in the DCML or would you rather just
do this by private e-mail?)

>>>What do you think about Barks' "The Hero of the Dike" story?
Would you ever write a sequel to this story, or do you consider this has
never appeared?

I never thought about it much... that story is not from my "preferred"
period of vintage Barks. But yeah, I would have some trouble explaining
(even to myself) why Duckburg is suddenly below sea level. In what way does
it need a sequel? One of your favorite stories?

>>>>Why in your story coded D 91071 (I think I remember the title is
something
like "the Island at the edge of time"), why doesn't scrooge live in the Bin?

Maybe he sometimes stays in a (cheap!) apartment he keeps in town? Maybe he
was out cattin' around?
When I suggested the Bin blueprints to Byron, he said that perhaps some
people thought that U$ did NOT live in the Bin, so I said we can use as the
"official" version that he has living quarters in the Bin and also a
(cheap!!!) apartment in town for various reasons. Like for business or
cattin' around.

>>>Why didn't you use in the Lo$ the panels in Barks' WUS 49 (I think it is
"the
lunar gold rush) in which we can see scrooge at the klondike and scrooge in
the transvaal with a argus McSwine lookalike character?

Because these seemed to be clearly implied (both in the setting in which
they were being told and in what was happening) to be tall tales that U$ was
spouting to the kiddies. But I decided to still use it in the same fashion
so that no one could say I left anything out of my "Lo$"... in case your
translator omited it, U$ is supposed to be telling this same tall-tale to
Teddy Roosevelt at the end of chapter 10.

>>>Will Panchito and Jose appear in some of your stories?

Where are you? In France? They used my "The Three Caballeros Ride Again!" in
PICSOU... I have the issue. They've used that story everywhere. You missed
it?

From: Geo <geodiaz_79 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Whitman and Gold Key logo's on 70's comics, cover differences
>>>>I discovered something odd. I was always aware that the 70's issues of
all Disney comics appeared with either the Gold Key or the Whitman logos,
but I found that the cover colors are different on the few that I have both
versions of.

To recap, there was a time when Western was releasing two versions of every
comic it produced... one was the Gold Key version for newsstands, and the
other had their "Whitman" logo (the logo they use on toy-store stuff) for
the packs sold in toy stores. For some reason only the Gold Key versions had
the numbers on the covers, though the Whitmans gained the numbers after Gold
Key ceased and there were *only* Whitman versions. Since this would require
changing the cover lay-out, even that tiny bit, the two versions would
naturally be printed at different times, either days apart or just hours.
And even if they *tried* to use the same ink colors, the intensity would be
different as ink resevoirs in the presses ran low and needed refilling. The
colors you describe, dark blue or purple, are colors that are often
different on comics of the same issue. I upgraded an old JIMMY OLSEN issue
from 1956 just last week, and I noticed that on one the logo was pure blue
and on the other it was royal purple. Also, I always keep my eye open for
copies of my own first story in U$ #219 because the inks ran low during
printing and the canes turned from a normal brown to a weird chartreuse! The
yellow-green canes were printed on the direct-sales copies which are the
ones that are mostly in the hands of collectors in America, and the proper
ink color ran low even before the newsstand copies had all been printed. So,
copies of #219 with normal brown canes in the hands of $crooge and Glomgold
are quite hard to find. I've signed hundreds of copies of that issue, and I
think I've seen less than 10 with brown canes.
Anyway, long story short, ink color fluctuations on comic covers is not
unusual....

DON:

> Also, I always keep my
> eye open for copies of my own first story in U$ #219 because the inks ran
> low during printing and the canes turned from a normal brown to a weird
> chartreuse!

Well, they're brown in my copy, which I bought from Gladstone as a back
issue a few months after it was published; I don't know whether this
makes it a direct-sales or a newsstand copy. I can't wait to meet you
one day and have you sign it on the part which does not reduce the comic
book's resale value, then sell it for an absurd amount of money! ;-)

[Nobody even *think* of taking the above seriously--this is one comic book
with which I am not going to part, and that's not because of the color
of the canes, be it brown, chartreuse, or orange with purple dots! Put
in context, I consider this particular story, in this particular edition,
Don's best: Imagine yourself back in 1987. You have been reading Gladstone
comics for a year or so, you have become familiar with the name of Carl
Barks, realizing that it had been he who had written many of the stories
you remember reading in your childhood, when, out of the blue, comes
this guy who produces a story that is at least as good as those stories
written by the Duck Man himself! Since then, Don may have written other
stories which he considers better, and later editions of that story may
have been printed in far better quality, but the effect of that story
on me, in that particular edition, cannot be reproduced. I remember
applauding when I finished reading that story; I've never done it for
any other story, not even Barks'.]

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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Don Rosa sez:

For some reason only the Gold Key versions had
the numbers on the covers, though the Whitmans gained the numbers after Gold
Key ceased and there were *only* Whitman versions. Since this would require
changing the cover lay-out, even that tiny bit, the two versions would
naturally be printed at different times, either days apart or just
hours.

Though I'm not a student of Gold Key/Whitman reprints, I'd venture to say
the press procedure that produced the different Gold Key and Whitman
versions is what is known as a black plate change. If handled properly, this
can be done during a single press run. After running the number of
impressions for one version the press is halted, the black plate is changed
out, and the run resumed for the other version. It's an added expense to a
run, but loads cheaper than doing two separate runs.

Gary