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Olaf Solstrand
(If this E-mail in any way gives you the feeling that the person who wrote
it is on drugs, I have a perfect explanation to that, as I got my first kiss
three and a half hour ago.)

Even as "Forget it!" is a GOOD story, one thing strikes me about it: It does
not have the same first floor... No, wait, in English the word is "ground
floor", right?... as in the Money Bin Blueprints. Neither has... well, TONS
of other Scrooge stories.

What's so funny about this is that the entire ground floor is a paradox. In
some Scrooge stories, like "Cash Flow" (AR 106) and "The Black Knight" (D
97346), entering the Money Bin is an impossible quest - passing bear traps,
trap doors, guns, worms, and even an acid pool.

How can that be possible, when Scrooge himself, his nephews, all of his
employees and even most of his enemies, like Magica de Spell in "Forget it!"
(D 2001-095) and "A matter of some gravity" (D 96001) passes through that
same hallway every day? Every time Donald comes to visit his uncle, he MUST
have walked the short (or not so short) distance from the door to the
stairs.

My guess would be that Scrooge - or maybe his sisters - thought of that a
while after the bin was built, and therefor made easy ways to come through
the ground floors. Worms etc could easily be placed in cages on normal
daytime and released when neccessarry, the carpet tacks could easily be
solved by some really good boots, stronger than the B.B. shoes. The bear
traps could be pushed aside when not needed (Scrooge obviously always knows
when the Beagle Boys are nearby, even though he has no windows in his
office... probably a camera or something Gyro has created for him), and the
and the gatling guns and the cannon - well, they could simply enough NOT be
fired, and the electrified flooring must have some kind of "on/off"-button
anyway. And for the acid pool, there's easy to build a bridge that the Bin
guard would pull over to the side of the hallway closest to the stairs (I
hope you understand what I mean) and replace over the acid pool when
visitors came around. The traps would be easy to put out again when Beagles
or other scary creatures were coming up Killmotor Hill ("The Beagle has
landed").

OR maybe this has a MUCH better explanation, which could turn into a GREAT
story someday (which I will try to write someday if nobody else does. Btw,
I'm working on a new 12-pager for Egmont now, this time it's a Donald Duck
story).

Any ideas/thoughts around this?

Olaf Solstrand

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François Willot
I am looking for two drawings I once had but that I lost:

- Patibulette, female version of Pete as a baby, sketch by Claude Marin
(character was never used)
- Scuttle as a baby, used once

If someone on this list has them somewhere, can he send these to me?

In addition, here are some new pages I've added to my site
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/div/at/Poster_color.htm -> Fernando
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/div/at/barks2.html -> Barks paintings,
photographs

Francois
Kriton Kyrimis
DAN:

> Of course, in the Rosa Duck world, there would be no UPC labels at all.

Even more so in the Barks world, where oolated squiggs and Barks dog soup
first made their appearance. If you go to your local supermarket, however,
I am sure that you will find many brands that have been available since
the 1950s and, guess what, they all have UPC symbols on their packages!

Just because Scrooge and co. may have died/grown up/whatever circa 1964,
does not mean that their world entered a time loop and nothing ever
happened to it after that.

I bet that old-style cans of oolated squiggs without UPC symbols are a
collector's item these days, especially if they still contain those oh
so slippery squiggs!

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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Don Rosa
From: Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at cti.gr>
>>>>>To bring this discussion back on topic, and since the last digest was
mostly about D.U.C.K.s, could someone tell me where was the D.U.C.K. in
the money bin story? There didn't seem to be many places in the splash
panel where it could be hiding, and I couldn't find it in those few places
that seemed like they could.

I figured that would be an easy one since I put it on the focal point of the
whole splash panel... the birthday cake. It was not removed from the cake,
even though in some editions the candy gallows on the top of the cake was
deleted.

From: "Olaf Solstrand" <harryklein at hotmail.com>
>>>Even as "Forget it!" is a GOOD story, one thing strikes me about it: It
does
not have the same first floor... No, wait, in English the word is "ground
floor", right?... as in the Money Bin Blueprints.
................
Any ideas/thoughts around this?

I think you've already thought about it too much for us all.
As I told everyone when we designed those blueprints, you should never
expect me to draw all my stories based religiously on those plans. I don't
intend to! I must draw the rooms and lay-out of the Bin to accommodate the
time and space I have to tell my story.
In the "Gyro 50th Anniversary" story that's coming up, I show windows in the
executive office level of the Bin, even though the blueprints show that's
not so. Why did I do that? Simply because I did not have the time or space
for the characters to run upstairs to look out a window.
Or maybe the Bin was remodeled between 1902 when the blueprints were
supposedly designed, and about 195? when my modern stories take place.
On the other hand, if you reeeaaaally wanted to, you can make the scenes in
"Forget It!" match the blueprints, if you simply don't assume one panel is
following directly on the previous one. When $crooge falls down the stairs,
he ends up on the floor just below his executive-office floor -- you only
assumed that was the ground floor. And when I show him pointing at Magica
through the front doors of the Bin, that might have been later, after a
quick trip down via the elevator and run through the booby-trap hall to the
vestibule -- you only assumed it was on the same floor where he fell down
that stair flight. I don't have the time or space to show all that extra
movement.
Or you can just not think about it too much.
By the way, the American idea is that the first floor and the ground floor
are the same. It's in certain European countries that the first floor
(strangely!) is one level up from the ground. Dan Shane and I had to check
with each country we designed personalized blueprints for to see where their
first floor should be, as that reduced the height of their Bin by one floor
(in name).
Fluks, H.W.
Don Rosa wrote:

> I must draw the rooms and lay-out of the Bin to
> accommodate the time and space I have to tell my story.

At least you manage to have a consistent look *within* a story.

I read a copy of the Danish publication of the story "Forget it".
On page 1, there are closets behind Miss Quackfaster, and books piled on top
of them. The books are piled in a different way on the final page than they
were on the first page. But then I noticed that on page 2, the closets (and
the rest of Miss Quackfaster's office) is totally messed up by a foof bomb.
So the books are *rightfully* in a different order (or disorder). It takes
an artist who thinks over such tiny details, to get this result!

"Forget it" is, as others already said, a very funny story! I laughed out
loud at the "stopping device" and "hop+swim" scenes, for instance. (I won't
say more about this, or I would spoil the story.)

I didn't quite understand why the story showed a flash-back to the "matter
of some gravity" story. That flash-back doesn't seem to have a function at
all.

On the other hand, I saw one of the ugliest drawings of the nephews, on page
3. I wasn't very delighted with the Finnish cover either. Well, one can't
have everything...

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Don Rosa wrote:

> I'm *so grateful* that I don't have to deal with all those
> decisions that
> editorial staffs have to worry about day in and day out! I
> have the EASY job!

Funny; that's exactly what I always tell my project managers. They have to
keep our customers satisfied, take care of planning and financial matters. I
only have to worry about the design and making of computer programs. I have
the EASY job!

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Timo Ronkainen:

> Thanks! I'm thinking of adding a flipism guidebook cover
> jacket there, which
> you can wrap around any book if it is just right size.
> What else barksian stuff there could be? Ideas? Suggestions?
> They cannot be
> using any Disney copyrighted images although...

What about a JW guidebook cover? You could reconstruct one from one of Don
Rosa's "Lost Library" covers.

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
teemu.merikumpu:

> I'm suprised that no one has mentioned special dialect-issues
> that at least
> finnish AA has published (or I've missed something). These
> are about the
> only exeptions to the rule that finnish AA uses grammatically
> etc. correct finnish.

In the Netherlands, there was one Disney comic album published in the
dialect of Limburg. (At least that's what I heard: I have never actually
seen it!) The album contains Barks stories, including the forest fire story
from VP#1.
The dialect of Limburg is one of the 4 official (recognised by the EU)
languages in the Netherlands.

In Germany, there have been several dialect albums. I can't wait to see the
one in Plattd??tsch, to be published in April.
This is the language that comes closest to the dialect of Groningen, the
part of the Netherlands where I come from.

--Harry.
(Moj!)
Timo Ronkainen
>What about a JW guidebook cover? You could reconstruct one from one of Don
>Rosa's "Lost Library" covers.

That's really good idea. How come I never thought of that...
Thanks!!

Timo

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Olivier
Harry:
>>What about a JW guidebook cover? You could reconstruct one from one of
>>Don Rosa's "Lost Library" covers.

Timo:
>> That's really good idea. How come I never thought of that...

The Junior Woodchucks Guidebook section of my site (
http://ob7.free.fr/mice_and_ducks/mndframe.html ) is still in the making (no update this month,
sorry), but as soon as I have a couple of pages, I will point to your cover!
Maybe I should design the pages in such a way they can be easily printed and your cover used to wrap
them. But that's still a loooong way til then!

Olivier
Dave Rawson
In reply to Steve Rowe's question, I can confirm that in India, stories are printed
in English. I have copy (thanks to David Gerstein's generosity) in which one of my
stories was published. First time I've seen one since the Brits translated (yes!)
"Tour de Jour" into "On Holiday".
Don Rosa
From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>>>>>>>>It takes an artist who thinks over such tiny details, to get this
result!

Thank you so much! You're too kind!

>>>>>>>On the other hand, I saw one of the ugliest drawings of the nephews,
on page 3.

Thank you so much! You're too kind!
(Waitaminit. There *wasn't* a Nephew on page 3. Oh, well...)

>>>I didn't quite understand why the story showed a flash-back to the
"matter
of some gravity" story. That flash-back doesn't seem to have a function at
all.

Oh, it had a very definite function! If not for that "public notice" to
readers that this story was purposely intended to be a direct match to the
plot (if not the details) of "A Matter of Some Gravity", the mean-spirited,
captious element would start griping that "he's ripping off old stories!",
"That ain't new, I read this story before!" "Wah wah wah", etc. Anytime I
lift a gag or a plot element from an old movie or comic as one of my
constant "homages", or do a sequel, I always alert that grumbly faction of
readers that "Yes, I know that you know where this originally came from!
You're supposed to know! I'm using it because I expect you to know that I
know that you know! That's the *whole point*!" A perfect example of this was
in an early story I did for Egmont titled "Super Snooper Strikes Again"
which I designed as a sequel to Barks' original, which is one of my very
favorites, and I wanted to explore an additional fundamental difference
between Donald Duck style comics and American super-hero stuff. I *loaded*
the story with clear and direct references to Barks' original, constant
comments by every single character about "the last time this happened", and
"Prof. Cosmic's previous shipment", and "he's doing it again", etc., etc.,
etc. ... not to mention the title of the story, itself.
Well, this was before Byron Erickson came along. And the editors, without my
knowledge (and perhaps in their own ignorance of Barks stories?), removed
*every last mention* in the story about its intention of being read as a
sequel. Therefore, that captious, resentful reader element got all bent
outta shape saying that I was "ripping off Carl Barks stories, passing off
old ideas as my own, what a mangy, low-down, wah wah wah.." etc.
So now I put the references into the stories in such a way that no editor
can remove them. That flashback panel could not be changed or eliminated,
and is my "crank-protection".

>>>>I wasn't very delighted with the Finnish cover either.

No kiddin'!? I was really proud of that cover! It's an eye-grabber. But
then, I come from the background of covers that are really dramatic. I
assume many European Disney comic readers have gotten used to and prefer the
simple gag covers. That cover was supposed to have a banner across the top
like "Magica DeSpell Strikes Again" (no relation to Super Snooper) in order
to catch the Magica fans. In my many travels, I've learned that Magica is
such a popular character, that she should have her own title.
By the way, if you can name a single scene in that story that would have
made sense as the cover that the Finns had requested, I'm curious as to what
it might be.

>>>Well, one can't have everything...

...and you can't please 'em all...
Heike Und Sven
Hi all,

we recently talked about the title 'Donald Duck Sonderheft' which
contains the best collection (here in Germany) of high class comic
stories. The current issue not only features Don Rosa's 'The Sharpie of
the Culebra Cut' but also the 'Counter Spy' story by Chase Craig, drawn
by Al Taliaferro, which was also a topic on this list lately. It is the
first in a series of Giveaway comics they are going to print in the next
months.

I was pleased to read that the publisher has now turned the 'Donald Duck
Sonderheft' into a monthly title. Let's hope that they can maintain the
high standard also on this monthly basis.

Sven
Heike Und Sven
Today I read that Don Rosa's 'Forget it!' story will soon be published
in Germany as well, namely in our weekly 'Micky Maus'. It will appear in
issue number 15 on the 4th of April. Having read all the praise in the
latest digests, especially Theresa's report, I very much look forward to it.

Sven
Heike Und Sven
In the latest issue of the German pocket book they published the story
with the code I - 2375 - 5 by Gianfranco Cordara (Story) and Sergio
Cabella (Art). It is about a TV talk show whose ratings have become very
low lately, and hence they are looking for ways to get more viewers
again. They succeed by first making Gladstone and later Donald the star
(and the target) of the show.

The story is not very special, but there is something to it (at least in
the German translation), which I find very odd: The hosts of the show
are a woman (named Rosa) and a man (named Don), and consequently their
show is called 'The Don & Rosa Show', and that is also the title of the
story.

The story is, however, in no way Rosa-like; there is no person in it,
who resembles Don; it also cannot be an homage to Don, because it is too
flat. I cannot really understand why the story would have such a title.
What is the title of the story in other languages? Is it just a (lame)
gag of the German translator, or what? What do you think about it? What
does Don think about it?

Sven
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