I'd like to thank those who e-mailed back about the duck in the iron pants
problem. Very, very helpful. I thinkI will enjoy this list.
Author
Topic: 200408
(213 messages)
Raptor165
Ducks
Message 1 -
2004-08-01 at 05:42:13
Alex Nielsen
A new CBL
Message 2 -
2004-08-01 at 13:32:58
Hello,
Egmont is planning to release their new CBL in 2005 (according to their
danish website, www.carl-barks.dk) and according to their Norwegian
site, www.carlbarks.no its planned to Winter 2004/2005..... These sites
also have information about the contents etc. but unfortunately they are
in danish/norweigan... I didnt find any international site from Egmont
about their new CBL !
My best,
Alex Nielsen
www.carlbarks.ws (my own Barks site about paintings and
lithographs/serigraphs etc.)
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Gary Leach [mailto:bangfish at cableone.net]
Sendt: 31. juli 2004 20:10
Til: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Emne: A new CBL
Dean:
> I will be thrilled if it turns out to be true that the Carl Barks
> library will be coming back. That is the kind of thing I hoped
> Gemstone would do earlier on, but better late than never! Gary, I
> like Olivier *plead* for you to tell us any details you can about
> this! If nothing else, can you confirm or deny this story?
> Pleeeeeaaaasssseeeeee! (Sounding like Roger Rabbit! :)))
Roger Rabbit? Who dat? (Kidding!) ((Almost...))
There is no new edition of the Carl Barks Library scheduled, for now or
in the near future. What I can say with certainty is that a new CBL is
now in production. Egmont initiated and is spearheading this, with
Byron Erickson, Susan Daigle-Leach, and Geoffrey Blum involved.
This is a large undertaking. In spite of Another Rainbow's original
CBL, Gladstone's color album version, and editions published in other
countries, the various materials needed to put together a new edition
have not been at all easy to gather up. The years have not been kind to
anyone's production archives, physical or electronic, and much lost
ground has to be made up. A desire for quality has also required a
considerable effort to come up with the best and closest-to-original
source materials possible - an effort that continues.
Why doesn't Gemstone go ahead with a CBL of its own? It would be
possible, but it would also be an expensive and largely pointless
duplication of effort. What Egmont's going for is, in many ways, an
improved and updated Another Rainbow CBL in full color, and that's the
sort of CBL Steve Geppi would like to put on the market in the US.
So the question is, when will Egmont have its new CBL in hand? With all
the bumps in the road, it's been difficult for them to pin that down,
and I wouldn't even hazard an educated - or, for that matter,
instinctive - guess.
Gary
Egmont is planning to release their new CBL in 2005 (according to their
danish website, www.carl-barks.dk) and according to their Norwegian
site, www.carlbarks.no its planned to Winter 2004/2005..... These sites
also have information about the contents etc. but unfortunately they are
in danish/norweigan... I didnt find any international site from Egmont
about their new CBL !
My best,
Alex Nielsen
www.carlbarks.ws (my own Barks site about paintings and
lithographs/serigraphs etc.)
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Gary Leach [mailto:bangfish at cableone.net]
Sendt: 31. juli 2004 20:10
Til: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Emne: A new CBL
Dean:
> I will be thrilled if it turns out to be true that the Carl Barks
> library will be coming back. That is the kind of thing I hoped
> Gemstone would do earlier on, but better late than never! Gary, I
> like Olivier *plead* for you to tell us any details you can about
> this! If nothing else, can you confirm or deny this story?
> Pleeeeeaaaasssseeeeee! (Sounding like Roger Rabbit! :)))
Roger Rabbit? Who dat? (Kidding!) ((Almost...))
There is no new edition of the Carl Barks Library scheduled, for now or
in the near future. What I can say with certainty is that a new CBL is
now in production. Egmont initiated and is spearheading this, with
Byron Erickson, Susan Daigle-Leach, and Geoffrey Blum involved.
This is a large undertaking. In spite of Another Rainbow's original
CBL, Gladstone's color album version, and editions published in other
countries, the various materials needed to put together a new edition
have not been at all easy to gather up. The years have not been kind to
anyone's production archives, physical or electronic, and much lost
ground has to be made up. A desire for quality has also required a
considerable effort to come up with the best and closest-to-original
source materials possible - an effort that continues.
Why doesn't Gemstone go ahead with a CBL of its own? It would be
possible, but it would also be an expensive and largely pointless
duplication of effort. What Egmont's going for is, in many ways, an
improved and updated Another Rainbow CBL in full color, and that's the
sort of CBL Steve Geppi would like to put on the market in the US.
So the question is, when will Egmont have its new CBL in hand? With all
the bumps in the road, it's been difficult for them to pin that down,
and I wouldn't even hazard an educated - or, for that matter,
instinctive - guess.
Gary
Gary Leach
Erosion
Message 3 -
2004-08-02 at 04:56:30
Cord:
> In some way Disney comics are frozen in time. Let's make another
> thought
> experiment: Take any comic from today's newsstand (Spider-Man,
> Superman,
> even The Simpsons) and move it back with a time machine to the
> Sixties. How
> would people back then react to this comic? I think they would be
> thrilled.
> They would not necessarily like it, but they would notice that it is
> very
> different from their comics.
> Now move back any current Disney comic back
> to the Sixties. Would people even notice that it is different? Even
> Don Rosa
> (who IMO always kept a slightly subversive (in a good way!)
> Underground's
> style) would probably be taken as a contemporary comics creator.
Perhaps. I still remember, though, the response we got to Don's early
stories, and how so much of it centered on his unique style of doing
Disney ducks. And this was long after readers had absorbed the
stylistic changes in comics over the previous twenty years. I just
don't think the readers in the 1960s - such as myself - would have
found Don's work quite as unremarkable as you suppose.
It must be said, too, that the changes in the style, attitude, and
presentation of such characters as Spider-Man and Superman has not, in
the long run, prevented the erosion of their mass market sales over the
last few decades. Whether it's these, Batman or Bartman, X-Men or Uncle
Scrooge, comics in the US have been hit by severe sales declines in the
mass market that should have doomed them. It is not an exaggeration to
say that without the non-returnable comics retail market spawned in the
early 1970s, comics in the US would have gasped their last years ago.
It is also a fact that this retail market was intended at the start to
serve the needs of the readers of super-hero fare, by far the dominant
and most vocal market segment even then.
The very nature of the comics we read in the US today is the direct
result of that super-hero oriented retail market, with the publishers
catering to a special, focused, and readily identifiable super-hero
audience. Archie and Western, both largely unwelcome to the party, had
to find other ways to survive. Archie managed it; Western, in the long
run, didn't.
And Archie did not get by through revamping their style of storytelling
or their character designs - these haven't materially changed since the
1950s - but by securing a unique niche for themselves in the mass
market, and shifting much of their production to a format that
accommodated it - the pocket book, or digest. Western had digests too,
but as the 1970s progressed they simply lost interest in comics,
running out their string until they basically just said "screw it" and
threw in the towel.
Net effect: while DC and Marvel enjoyed the solicitude of the direct
retail market, and Archie made hay with their digest pockets at
checkout registers, Disney comics sank from sight for several years.
This, I believe, did the very worst damage to Disney comics as a viable
line in the US that could have been done, and this damage has still not
been repaired.
Gary
> In some way Disney comics are frozen in time. Let's make another
> thought
> experiment: Take any comic from today's newsstand (Spider-Man,
> Superman,
> even The Simpsons) and move it back with a time machine to the
> Sixties. How
> would people back then react to this comic? I think they would be
> thrilled.
> They would not necessarily like it, but they would notice that it is
> very
> different from their comics.
> Now move back any current Disney comic back
> to the Sixties. Would people even notice that it is different? Even
> Don Rosa
> (who IMO always kept a slightly subversive (in a good way!)
> Underground's
> style) would probably be taken as a contemporary comics creator.
Perhaps. I still remember, though, the response we got to Don's early
stories, and how so much of it centered on his unique style of doing
Disney ducks. And this was long after readers had absorbed the
stylistic changes in comics over the previous twenty years. I just
don't think the readers in the 1960s - such as myself - would have
found Don's work quite as unremarkable as you suppose.
It must be said, too, that the changes in the style, attitude, and
presentation of such characters as Spider-Man and Superman has not, in
the long run, prevented the erosion of their mass market sales over the
last few decades. Whether it's these, Batman or Bartman, X-Men or Uncle
Scrooge, comics in the US have been hit by severe sales declines in the
mass market that should have doomed them. It is not an exaggeration to
say that without the non-returnable comics retail market spawned in the
early 1970s, comics in the US would have gasped their last years ago.
It is also a fact that this retail market was intended at the start to
serve the needs of the readers of super-hero fare, by far the dominant
and most vocal market segment even then.
The very nature of the comics we read in the US today is the direct
result of that super-hero oriented retail market, with the publishers
catering to a special, focused, and readily identifiable super-hero
audience. Archie and Western, both largely unwelcome to the party, had
to find other ways to survive. Archie managed it; Western, in the long
run, didn't.
And Archie did not get by through revamping their style of storytelling
or their character designs - these haven't materially changed since the
1950s - but by securing a unique niche for themselves in the mass
market, and shifting much of their production to a format that
accommodated it - the pocket book, or digest. Western had digests too,
but as the 1970s progressed they simply lost interest in comics,
running out their string until they basically just said "screw it" and
threw in the towel.
Net effect: while DC and Marvel enjoyed the solicitude of the direct
retail market, and Archie made hay with their digest pockets at
checkout registers, Disney comics sank from sight for several years.
This, I believe, did the very worst damage to Disney comics as a viable
line in the US that could have been done, and this damage has still not
been repaired.
Gary
Stefan Diös
Vicar's name
Message 4 -
2004-08-02 at 11:47:41
Hello, all.
I need help from someone who knows Vicar, or who knows the spelling of
Spanish (South American) names, or anybody else who might know.
We know that Vicar's full name is Victor Arriagada Rios. But I am not quite
sure whether the last name correctly should be written with an accent
(R?os) or without (Rios). The accent seems to be normal for that name, I
believe, but might there be variations? I often see his name spelled
without it, even in contexts when accents are intact in other Spanish names.
This make seem like a trivial detail, but as Egmont is preparing a book in
Vicar's honor, why not try to make even the trivial details correct? If
anyone knows the answer, please answer to this list as I will not be able
to read my private e-mail for a while after the next few days.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
(or, with the trivial details fully correct: Stefan Di?s, Malm?, Sweden)
I need help from someone who knows Vicar, or who knows the spelling of
Spanish (South American) names, or anybody else who might know.
We know that Vicar's full name is Victor Arriagada Rios. But I am not quite
sure whether the last name correctly should be written with an accent
(R?os) or without (Rios). The accent seems to be normal for that name, I
believe, but might there be variations? I often see his name spelled
without it, even in contexts when accents are intact in other Spanish names.
This make seem like a trivial detail, but as Egmont is preparing a book in
Vicar's honor, why not try to make even the trivial details correct? If
anyone knows the answer, please answer to this list as I will not be able
to read my private e-mail for a while after the next few days.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
(or, with the trivial details fully correct: Stefan Di?s, Malm?, Sweden)
David.Skoglund
Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck
Message 5 -
2004-08-02 at 20:00:50
I just read chapter 10b in the latest Gladstone issue of Uncle Scrooge. I haven't read any of the other chapters since I don't want to pay the big money to track down the original issues. Looking at eBay where prices for the full run sometimes top $100, I just don't want to spend that much.
I understand that this was once printed in a limited edition hardcover book. But, it seems to me that this saga would be the perfect thing to issue as a trade paperback book. Gladstone, are you listening? :)
Seriously, there seems to be a demand for this story out there, why not funnel those dollars to Gladstone and Don Rosa instead of the back issue dealers? I'm sure that the original issues will continue to fetch good prices even if it is reprinted.
p.s. I loved chapter 10b. Kudos to Don on another wonderful tale!
--
david.skoglund at att.net
I understand that this was once printed in a limited edition hardcover book. But, it seems to me that this saga would be the perfect thing to issue as a trade paperback book. Gladstone, are you listening? :)
Seriously, there seems to be a demand for this story out there, why not funnel those dollars to Gladstone and Don Rosa instead of the back issue dealers? I'm sure that the original issues will continue to fetch good prices even if it is reprinted.
p.s. I loved chapter 10b. Kudos to Don on another wonderful tale!
--
david.skoglund at att.net
SRoweCanoe
Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck
Message 6 -
2004-08-02 at 20:26:23
In a message dated 8/2/2004 1:02:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
david.skoglund at att.net writes:
<<Seriously, there seems to be a demand for this story out there, why not
funnel those dollars to Gladstone and Don Rosa instead of the back issue dealers?
I'm sure that the original issues will continue to fetch good prices even if
it is reprinted. >>
I dont think Gemstone pays a cent to creators when they reprint these stories
steven r
david.skoglund at att.net writes:
<<Seriously, there seems to be a demand for this story out there, why not
funnel those dollars to Gladstone and Don Rosa instead of the back issue dealers?
I'm sure that the original issues will continue to fetch good prices even if
it is reprinted. >>
I dont think Gemstone pays a cent to creators when they reprint these stories
steven r
David.Skoglund
Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck
Message 7 -
2004-08-02 at 20:38:08
------------- Original message from SRoweCanoe at aol.com: --------------
> I dont think Gemstone pays a cent to creators when they reprint these stories
That's sad to hear. Even DC and Marvel pay royalties on reprints these days. They didn't used to in the past, but they've changed that in recent years.
David
--
david.skoglund at att.net
> I dont think Gemstone pays a cent to creators when they reprint these stories
That's sad to hear. Even DC and Marvel pay royalties on reprints these days. They didn't used to in the past, but they've changed that in recent years.
David
--
david.skoglund at att.net
Deanmary
A New CBL
Message 8 -
2004-08-02 at 21:10:20
First off I would like to thank Gary *very* much for answering
this question about a new CBL. I wish the answer was that a new CBL
was going to scheduled shortly, but at least this way we know what to
expect or not to expect. Plus, it sounds like at least perhaps
farther down the line that someday we may get a new CBL in color.
I have another question for you Gary, if you don't mind. Is there
in lets say the next year or so any plans for *any* TPBs with say
collections of Rosa or Van Horn stories, or even just a collection of
" Great Disney Stories"? I think you know my opinions about TPBs so I
won't go into that again. :) I love the four monthlies and the
bi-monthly DDA. I am just wondering if we are going to be getting any
TPBs in the next year or anything else new? Anything you can tell
would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again for being so responsive to questions from people on
the list. The list would lose a lot without your contributions!
Dean Rekich
this question about a new CBL. I wish the answer was that a new CBL
was going to scheduled shortly, but at least this way we know what to
expect or not to expect. Plus, it sounds like at least perhaps
farther down the line that someday we may get a new CBL in color.
I have another question for you Gary, if you don't mind. Is there
in lets say the next year or so any plans for *any* TPBs with say
collections of Rosa or Van Horn stories, or even just a collection of
" Great Disney Stories"? I think you know my opinions about TPBs so I
won't go into that again. :) I love the four monthlies and the
bi-monthly DDA. I am just wondering if we are going to be getting any
TPBs in the next year or anything else new? Anything you can tell
would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again for being so responsive to questions from people on
the list. The list would lose a lot without your contributions!
Dean Rekich
Gary Leach
Egmont CBL
Message 9 -
2004-08-03 at 09:17:12
Alex Nielsen wrote:
> Egmont is planning to release their new CBL in 2005 (according to their
> danish website, www.carl-barks.dk) and according to their Norwegian
> site, www.carlbarks.no its planned to Winter 2004/2005...
This is general information, stating Egmont's intentions, which I'm
sure are reasonably firm at this point. However, it doesn't remotely
qualify as a production schedule.
Gary
> Egmont is planning to release their new CBL in 2005 (according to their
> danish website, www.carl-barks.dk) and according to their Norwegian
> site, www.carlbarks.no its planned to Winter 2004/2005...
This is general information, stating Egmont's intentions, which I'm
sure are reasonably firm at this point. However, it doesn't remotely
qualify as a production schedule.
Gary
Mnaiman1
CBL
Message 10 -
2004-08-03 at 20:10:31
The beauty of the Hamilton/Another Rainbow CBL is the pristine black and white reproduction. No muddy colors...just the crisp and contrasting inks that make the images pop off the page.
In my opinion, Egmont will probably sell very few of the complete libraries in the States.
Now...how about a DRL ?
Those mindless and irritating details should really come through in B&W !
Michael
In my opinion, Egmont will probably sell very few of the complete libraries in the States.
Now...how about a DRL ?
Those mindless and irritating details should really come through in B&W !
Michael
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
CBL
Message 11 -
2004-08-03 at 20:50:42
mnaiman1 at cox.net wrote:
> In my opinion, Egmont will probably sell very few of the complete libraries in the States.
Do you imply that Egmont will be producing an English version of their
upcoming CBL? I only know of the Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish
versions. If not, I certainly agree with you that it wouldn't sell much
in the USA. I don't believe many books in Scandinavian languages do...
If they do plan an English version, will they be selling it in the USA
or will Americans have to import it from Scandinavia?
Thomas
> In my opinion, Egmont will probably sell very few of the complete libraries in the States.
Do you imply that Egmont will be producing an English version of their
upcoming CBL? I only know of the Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish
versions. If not, I certainly agree with you that it wouldn't sell much
in the USA. I don't believe many books in Scandinavian languages do...
If they do plan an English version, will they be selling it in the USA
or will Americans have to import it from Scandinavia?
Thomas
Cord Wiljes
AW: CBL
Message 12 -
2004-08-04 at 02:29:38
Michael Naiman wrote:
> The beauty of the Hamilton/Another Rainbow CBL is the
> pristine black and white reproduction. No muddy colors...just
> the crisp and contrasting inks that make the images pop off the page.
I feel just the same way. And the colors were not done by Barks! So
which coloring should be chosen to be the definitive one? The coloring
of the original U.S. edition, with its restricted color palette? The
computer coloring by Gladstone done for the Barks library? Any of the
bright-colored European colorings? The airbrush coloring of the
Celestial Arts volume? A new coloring with state-of-the-art computer
coloring?
Cord
> The beauty of the Hamilton/Another Rainbow CBL is the
> pristine black and white reproduction. No muddy colors...just
> the crisp and contrasting inks that make the images pop off the page.
I feel just the same way. And the colors were not done by Barks! So
which coloring should be chosen to be the definitive one? The coloring
of the original U.S. edition, with its restricted color palette? The
computer coloring by Gladstone done for the Barks library? Any of the
bright-colored European colorings? The airbrush coloring of the
Celestial Arts volume? A new coloring with state-of-the-art computer
coloring?
Cord
Gary Leach
Royalties
Message 13 -
2004-08-04 at 02:59:35
> > I dont think Gemstone pays a cent to creators when they reprint
> these stories
> That's sad to hear. Even DC and Marvel pay royalties on reprints these
> days. They didn't used to in the past, but they've changed that in
> recent years.
> ?
> David
This, legally speaking, is false. Gemstone, a licensee with a very
specifically defined license, pays considerable royalties to the one
creator that contractually counts - Disney. And that, also by
contractual terms, is the sole creator to which Gemstone can - and, of
course, must - pay royalties of any kind. What Disney chooses to allow
outside of that is determined solely by Disney.
Dean:
> I have another question for you Gary, if you don't mind. Is there
> in lets say the next year or so any plans for *any* TPBs with say
> collections of Rosa or Van Horn stories, or even just a collection of
> " Great Disney Stories"?
Plans are afoot to do a TPB series of Don Rosa's "Life and Times of
Scrooge McDuck," possibly as early as next year. There's no firm
production schedule yet, so there's no knowing how things may finally
shape up, but we see no serious obstacles to making it happen.
Gary
> these stories
> That's sad to hear. Even DC and Marvel pay royalties on reprints these
> days. They didn't used to in the past, but they've changed that in
> recent years.
> ?
> David
This, legally speaking, is false. Gemstone, a licensee with a very
specifically defined license, pays considerable royalties to the one
creator that contractually counts - Disney. And that, also by
contractual terms, is the sole creator to which Gemstone can - and, of
course, must - pay royalties of any kind. What Disney chooses to allow
outside of that is determined solely by Disney.
Dean:
> I have another question for you Gary, if you don't mind. Is there
> in lets say the next year or so any plans for *any* TPBs with say
> collections of Rosa or Van Horn stories, or even just a collection of
> " Great Disney Stories"?
Plans are afoot to do a TPB series of Don Rosa's "Life and Times of
Scrooge McDuck," possibly as early as next year. There's no firm
production schedule yet, so there's no knowing how things may finally
shape up, but we see no serious obstacles to making it happen.
Gary
Cord Wiljes
AW: Royalties
Message 14 -
2004-08-04 at 03:25:07
Gary Leach wrote:
> Gemstone, a licensee with a
> very specifically defined license, pays considerable
> royalties to the one creator that contractually counts -
> Disney. And that, also by contractual terms, is the sole
> creator to which Gemstone can - and, of course, must - pay
> royalties of any kind.
If I understand you correctly the legal creator of any Disney comics is
the Disney company and all writers and artists just do work-for-hire?
Wouldn't this mean that anyone who creates Disney comics (in the U.S.,
in Italy, in Denmark or anywhere else) should be directly paid by
Disney? Or is the payment the publisher gives to the creator part of the
royalties he has to pay to Disney? So with whom does the artist/writer
speak if he wants a raise? The Disney company or his publisher?
Cord
> Gemstone, a licensee with a
> very specifically defined license, pays considerable
> royalties to the one creator that contractually counts -
> Disney. And that, also by contractual terms, is the sole
> creator to which Gemstone can - and, of course, must - pay
> royalties of any kind.
If I understand you correctly the legal creator of any Disney comics is
the Disney company and all writers and artists just do work-for-hire?
Wouldn't this mean that anyone who creates Disney comics (in the U.S.,
in Italy, in Denmark or anywhere else) should be directly paid by
Disney? Or is the payment the publisher gives to the creator part of the
royalties he has to pay to Disney? So with whom does the artist/writer
speak if he wants a raise? The Disney company or his publisher?
Cord
Mcasil
Any good comic stores in San Diego?
Message 15 -
2004-08-04 at 09:26:57
Hello everyone! I am traveling to San Diego next week for a few days
and would like to see if anyone knows of any good comic stores that
might have back issues of Disney comics?
Thanks,
Mike
mcasil at charter.net
and would like to see if anyone knows of any good comic stores that
might have back issues of Disney comics?
Thanks,
Mike
mcasil at charter.net