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Lars Jensen
Once again: Sorry I'm so late responding to this.

Don Rosa wrote:

>> Don, are you saying that comics such as The Spirit, Modesty Blaise,
>> Watchmen, most of Asterix, most of Tintin and anything from Alan
>> Moore, Neil Gaiman and Grant Morrison are by definition incapable of
>> catching that "special spark"?
>
> Yes, I am. Because that "special spark" I refer to is the spark of a
> single individual's creative ability. Two people can never equal one
> person. No matter how good they are, those comics can never be the
> single vision of a single mind. That's magical.

OK, now I understand. And, in one way, I actually agree with you on
this -- up to a point. Ever since I began reading comics, I've always
been mightily impressed by creators who both wrote and drew their
material. Burne Hogarth's Tarzan, Hergé (or so I thought for several
years), Prince Valiant, the Felix newspaper stories from Danish creator
Werner Wejp-Olsen, Peanuts etc. all contributed to my early reading
experiences. When I did my first amateur comics at age 8, I both wrote
and drew the things. (In newspaper strip format, by the way.) I
absolutely agree that, say, Carl Barks' stories couldn't have been
improved upon as such by teaming Barks up with another creator. Those
stories of his did indeed have sparks.

So why don't I draw my own stories? Simple. Apart from the fact that I
don't have the patience to draw, there's also another problem: readers
would most likely gouge their own eyes out. Because I'm not a very good
artist. Having never had the patience to study anatomy, for instance, my
characters tend to look like sausages with heads, feet and sausage-like
arms and legs stuck on. My collaborations with various artists may not
be the vision of one single mind. But those artists will still be better
at getting across what I want to communicate than I myself would be.
Result: the finished story will be *close* to what I imagined, but not
100% what I imagined.

However, there's also an upside to working with somebody else: a fresh
perspective. Several of "my" artists have made me smile when I notice
some detail they've put into a story. Something that adds to the whole
without diluting it -- and something I wouldn't have thought of. And
sometimes, in material such as Asterix or Watchmen, you can see sparks
flying. Not sparks like the ones that show up in single-creator
projects, but sparks of a different color. If I remember correctly,
Obelix' dog Dogmatix was only created because Uderzo in the midst of
"Asterix and the Banquet" ("Le tour de Gaule") felt like drawing a dog,
and therefore simply added one to the story. Goscinny was surprised when
the artwork began to come in, but liked the dog, wrote the panel on the
last page where Obelix finally notices Dogmatix -- and voila, a new
popular character was born. Something that only happened because two
creators worked together. A spark of a different color. And who knows?
Maybe Barks could have created sparks such as those if he had done more
stories with other creators?

The particular spark you're talking about... Yeah, as mentioned above, I
always find it enjoyable when I see a story written by and drawn by one
single person such as Barks. But that's because Barks was good at
writing, good at drawing and good at writing the kind of stories he was
good at drawing. If a creator doesn't have those qualities, I would
rather he or she stuck to what he or she is good at. Again: I understand
what you mean, Don, but I've just been disappointed too often from
reading one-man projects that clearly should have involved at least one
more creator. And I can easily imagine someone interpreting your
original line ("a comic book script and art should be done by a single
person to have that special spark") as a green light to go it alone --
even when that someone only has the talent to do one thing well.

And on a final note: I realize you prefer the "single vision" thing,
but, just for fun, you should consider coming up with a storyline for
someone like, say, Marco Rota to draw. Not an Lo$, not something you
involve your continuity heavily into, just a fun adventurous
free-standing Duck story.

Who knows? Maybe there'll be sparks there, too. Just sparks of a
different color.

Lars
Olivier
Rich & Chris:

Thanks for your input on soccer in the US! I didn't know it was that
popular.

LeRichard (?):

>>>> I think the comics that are in the French weekly aren't that bad.
>>>> The non-Disney ones like l'eleve Ducobu and Kid Paddle, and also the
small
>>>> and tall monster short stories that you find in Picsou are funny.

"Ducobu" is good indeed; there's a robot strip that is good too, and another
on teachers. But there have been some pretty horrid things.

>>>> >The real main event the issue celebrated was the soccer
>>>> >championship! The Donald story featured Donald playing soccer.
>>>> >I did not buy that thing. It was an utter disgrace to years and years
of
>>>> >Disney comics.

>> I'm not sure what you mean, but I really don't think soccer is the
problem.
>> It's a good subject that Scarpa and Luis Destuet in Argentina used and
they did
>> good stories with it.

I have not read it because I didn't buy the issue when I saw the content.
Good as the story may have been, I think it was not the right choice for
Donald's anniversary. Instead of celebrating the creation of a major
Disney character, they chose to focus on soccer. Picsou Magazine did make a
good job on that occasion, but surely LJdM could have found something to do.
I understand it is not that easy to come up with a special issue every 5 or
10 years, but the Disney archives holds enough material for plenty of
special issues-- stories, pictures, pin-up art, ...

Olivier
Lars Jensen
Fernando Ventura wrote:

> Is it REALLY drew by José Maria Millet Lopez, as we see in Inducks
> (http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+2003-121)?
>
> To me it looks as a Vicar story!

According to the compilation list, this story was written by Per Hedman
and drawn by Vicar.

Lars
Olivier
Hello everyone!

Does anyone know the contents of each of these volumes, please?
http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=93783675021&snumber=1

I know they are collections of Gladstone's Comics Albums
(http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/magazine.php/0/us/GCA), but I have only found
the contents of the first three hardcover volumes (by checking the ads in
Gladstone back issues)-- and not naturally, Mile High Comics only has 4-8.

Volume 1: Albums 1-5 ("Mines of King Solomon", "Terror of the
River", "Wolf Barker", "Back to the Klondike", "Bullett Valley)
Volume 2: Albums 6-10 ("Land Beneath the Ground", Master Storues,
"Hoppy the Kangaroo", "Bambi", "In Ancient Persia")
Volume 3: Albums 11-15 ("Menehune", Daisy, "Golden Helmet", "Money Well",
Gladstone)

However, according to the INDUCKS, there have only been 28 Comics Albums in
all, which means that some volumes only collected together 4 volumes at most
instead of 5.

Even though I already have the stories in comics or albums (but not those
Comics Albums), I would love to have the hardcover volumes featuring Albums
25 ("Shacktown"), 26 ("The Seven Ghosts"), 28 (Don Rosa), possibly even 23
("Trick or Treat")-- nice sets of some of my favorite stories and 22
("Sheriff of Nugget Gulch").
Are they in volumes 5-6, 6-7 , 6-8 , 7-8 ?

The first 20 Comics Albums are 46 pages long; that's 4 times 230-page
Volumes.
21-25 are roughly 46 pages each and amount to 230 pages as well (Volume 5
?).
That's 5 Volumes of exactly 230 pages each.
26-28 are both 78 pages long, totalling 234 pages in one Volume-- Volume 6,
I suppose.

What about Volumes 7 & 8, then ?
Have there been more Comics Albums than the 28 listed in the INDUCKS? (I
doubt it)
Did Volumes 7-8 consist of albums from another series? the Gladstone Giant
Albums ( http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/magazine.php/0/us/GGI ), for
instance? (published 1989 as well)

Olivier
ZeldasTriforce
Hi all!

I guess this message is more or less directed to Gary, since he would be in a
position to know. How do comic book projects like The Three Musketeers, etc.
come about? Does Gemstone commission these projects on its own? Or does Disney
make a comic adaptation of the movies and since the characters fall under
Gemstone's license, they say hey, why don't you guys publish this? I was just
wondering how these projects occur since naturally, outside of them, Gemstone's
material comes from Egmont, etc.

Derek Smith
Carey Furlong
Olivier wrote:

> Even though I already have the stories in comics or albums (but not those
> Comics Albums), I would love to have the hardcover volumes
> featuring Albums
> 25 ("Shacktown"), 26 ("The Seven Ghosts"), 28 (Don Rosa), possibly even 23
> ("Trick or Treat")-- nice sets of some of my favorite stories and 22
> ("Sheriff of Nugget Gulch").
> Are they in volumes 5-6, 6-7 , 6-8 , 7-8 ?

Comic Album 25 (Shacktown) is the last album in Volume 5 (21-25).
26 through 28 are included in Volume 6.

> What about Volumes 7 & 8, then ?
> Have there been more Comics Albums than the 28 listed in the INDUCKS? (I
> doubt it)
> Did Volumes 7-8 consist of albums from another series? the
> Gladstone Giant
> Albums ( http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/magazine.php/0/us/GGI ), for
> instance? (published 1989 as well)

Yes, Volumes 7 and 8 consist of the Giant Album Series, Albums 1 through 4
in Volume 7, and 5 through 7 in Volume 8.

Carey
Olivier
Carey:

>>> Comic Album 25 (Shacktown) is the last album in Volume 5 (21-25).
>>> 26 through 28 are included in Volume 6.

>>> Yes, Volumes 7 and 8 consist of the Giant Album Series, Albums 1 through
4
>>> in Volume 7, and 5 through 7 in Volume 8.

Thanks for the confirmation!

May I suggest that the contents of these volumes be added to the INDUCKS?

Olivier
Bill Beechler
Hey, everyone. I'm a pediatrician living in Indianapolis,
Indiana, USA with my wife and triplet daughters (now 18
months old).

I buy multiples of Uncle Scrooge (my favorite comic book
character), Mickey Mouse and Friends, and Donald Duck and
Friends. I buy a single copy of every issue of Walt
Disney's Comics and Donald Duck Adventures. I'm building
a comic library for my daughters...for bedtime stories
and, eventually, to read on their own. The Gemstone
comics are the foundation along with Akiko, Usagi Yojimbo,
Powerpuff Girls, and Bone. The extra copies go to my
brother, a fifth grade teacher, who places them in his
"reading corner" in his classroom. He has various fun
reading there...magazines, books, and comics. The
Gemstone books are very popular, as are Akiko, Usagi,
Archie titles, Spider-Man, and the Justice League books.
I was very happy to see the soccer stories as MANY of his
students are avid soccer players and fans. I think that
tales featuring "kid" characters, like Mickey's nephews,
doing things real kids do (playing sports) are important
touchstones for young readers. It sucks them into the
comics even more.

So, thank you, Gemstone for bringing back the Disney
titles...ESPECIALLY the unpublished (in America) Don Rosa
stories. He is, bar none, my favorite contempory comics
creator. I'm saddened that he has stopped producing art
for American fans due to the ebay problem...although I
understand. I'm always amazed to see personalized items
for sale. In my melodramatic mind, I always figured that
the seller must need an important operation or something
and that is why they are selling the items...but greed
probably does play a role. Whenever we are visiting my
wife's parents in Jeffersonville, Indiana, I look across
the Ohio River and think, "Mr. Rosa is over there,
dreaming up new adventures for Scrooge and company". I
can't wait to read them.

And, if you ever decide to do art for sale again, Mr.
Rosa, I'll be first in line.

Bill Beechler MD
Indianapolis, IN

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Richard
I am not talking here about the notoriously censored Barks stories, like
Darkest Africa but instead about stories that where slightly (or more
profoundly) retouched.

On this page I show a few examples of these alterations!

http://bric-a-brac.inducks.org/barks/reinked.html

On this one, I show some samples of censoring (nothing really new)

http://bric-a-brac.inducks.org/barks/censored.html
H.W.Fluks
"Le" Richard:

> On this one, I show some samples of censoring (nothing really new)
>
> http://bric-a-brac.inducks.org/barks/censored.html

There you write:

> Donald Duck's Atom Bomb (1949)
> Thiss story, which was published in a very rare giveaway, was
> not really censored, but due to the lack of original poofs, it
> was heavily redrawn. Scans may follow

Another Rainbow's version of that story *was* censored, in the last two
panels.
(Jippes' original Dutch redrawing wasn't censored.)

--Harry.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Yesterday, I got the following question in private email:

- - - - - - -

Do you happen to know what award did "the fine art of donald duck"
exactly win? I understand it was a binding award, however- which
one was it? Do you happen to know of the specific name?

Did it win any other awards?

- - - - - - -

Does someone know the answers to these questions?

For some more information on mentioned publication 'The Fine Art of
Walt Disney's Donald Duck by Carl Barks', see:
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/bibliousaclmc.html#bbus_cl_fine

--- Dani?l

"The recipe calls for a lot of mixing and rolling! I'm sure I can
figure out some short cuts!"
Which Barks story? :-)
Frank Petzold
Dani?l,

>The recipe calls for a lot of mixing and rolling! I'm sure I can
>figure out some short cuts!"
>Which Barks story? :-)

That was "The Half-Baked Baker".

Regards,

Frank
Dennis Books
The book won first place in the national Bookbinding Industry of America's annual casebinding competition.

Anything for a duck...and sometimes a mouse...Dennis

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Lars Jensen
I just read this at http://www.comicon.com/thebeat/archives/2004/
08/mickey_mouse_in.html#comments :

> The first W.I.T.C.H. book was introduced as a graphic novel in the
> United States in June this year. It has already sold 650,000 copies,
> Mr. Mooney said.

650,000?! Not bad.

Lars
Whitefish II
Derek:

> I guess this message is more or less directed to Gary, since he would
> be in a position to know. How do comic book projects like The Three
> Musketeers, etc. come about? Does Gemstone commission these projects
> on its own? Or does Disney make a comic adaptation of the movies and
> since the characters fall under Gemstone's license, they say hey, why
> don't you guys publish this? I was just wondering how these projects
> occur since naturally, outside of them, Gemstone's material comes from
> Egmont, etc.

In the case of Three Musketeers and Twice Upon a Christmas, Disney set
about making the movies and, when these came near to completion, asked
Gemstone if we would do the comics adaptations. Gemstone said yes, and
we set about commissioning scripts and art. These are, in fact,
Gemstone's first all-new productions.

Gary
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