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Fernando Ventura wrote:
> Is it REALLY drew by Jos? Maria Millet Lopez, as we see in Inducks
> (http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+2003-121)?
>
> To me it looks as a Vicar story!

According to the Inducks dump file (dump.udm):

/ D 2003-121 12 PHl JMl ? DD
de/MM2003-53b D 2003-121 12 PHe VR DD
dk/AA2003-51c D 2003-121 12 4b DD
fi/AA2003-52c D 2003-121 12 4b PHe VR DD
no/DD2003-51c D 2003-121 12 DD
se/-> D 2003-121 12 4b PHe VR ? DD

(some irrelevant information removed to make the lines shorter)

So the story file credits Millet while the German, Finnish and Swedish
files credit Vicar. The writer credits also differ.

Stefan

Henri:

>>>> Droped from 200,000 to 150,000 in 4 years. I think
>>>> this is also due to the horrible editorial concept,
>>>> which is to avoid comics for articles about music or
>>>> cinema or stars that you find in teen magazines.

Exactly, with this addition: the so-called "articles" consist in a few
paragraphs made of the simplest sentences possible. You'll find as much
prose on a box of corn flakes, maybe even more. Oh, and said prose is
naturally of the "hip" kind.

>>>> Recent French issues don't show Disney characters on
>>>> their covers, and almost as much non-Disney comics
>>>> than Disney comics.

Absolutely. it's hard ot tell they're Disney comics, starting with the
cover.
There were non-Disney comics in my youth as well ('74-'80's), but they were
quality strips: Flash Gordon, Mandrake, the Katzenjammer Kids (well,
whatever incranation of them; I know there was a split and the name
changed; I'm not sure which run it was, but that's of little concern here),
...
And what few Disney comics remain are of pretty poor quality and little
interest.

The worst example I know of: the issue of Le Journal de Mickey released on
Donald's birthday was a terrible shame. A short "paragraph" in the inside
cover and 4 pages of pictures of Interduck's paintings (with silly
commentaries). The real main event the issue celebrated was the soccer
championship! The Donald story featured Donald playing soccer.
I did not buy that thing. It was an utter disgrace to years and years of
Disney comics.
By trying to appeal to kids that are not interested in reading, let alone
Disney comics, they have surely lost a good part of their readership. I am
sure many parents who had fond memories of LJdM bought it for their own
children, read a few issues, and stoped buying it.

I must say I was disappointed to find soccer stories in Gemstone's comics as
well. I find it all the stranger as it is not even an American sport.

French Disney magazines are indeed doomed if they maintain such editorial
policy. A huge nostalgia wave has been developing for a few years, with
people rediscovering the cartoons they loved when they were children, buying
the DVD's and even CD's of children's TV programs themes. I ahve bought
such DVD's as well, and have been moved to tears visiting websites and
watching the opening titles of shows I haven't seen in ages, that I grew up
with.
The same people that buy those DVD's and CD's and make those sites are now
old enough to have children, and would most certainly love to buy them
Disney magazines and find the same kind of comics, of real articles, of
overall quality, that they enjoyed in their childhood and have even faint
but fond memories of.

There's no big secret, just an age-old principle: the most successful
children's stories, comics, TV shows and movies have always been those that
respect their target audience, that don't talk down to them, that don't dumb
down everything to please they silliest that won't ever be interested anyway
(those that prefer to follow the dumb crowd and like what they're told to
like).
Incidentally, Don wrote it again recently; "I don't write for children, but
what I find interesting & amusing stories" (please forgive my paraphrasing).
That what makes Disney's 30-40 year old movies classics, or the success of
Pixar's movies, or of La Fontaine's tales: the form is deceptively simple
and aimed at children, but there's more to it, so that children can learn
something as they read, keep discovering things as they grow up and return
to those stories, and "grown-ups" cna ejoy them.

Sadly, French Disney editors have been doing exactly the opposite. The
so-called articles deal with the most trivial subjects imaginable, and are
poorly written. Three-elementary-sentence paragraphs don't make a text, just
barely a caption.

Of course, now that they have gone this far, turning 180 degrees and
offering *shudder* quality and *gasp* real articles, with-- the horror!--
well-constructed complex sentences consisting of richer vocabulary than
street & TV lingo would probably be a risk, now that an entire generation
has been endoctrinated with a distate for culture, be it through TV, movies,
or the one thing that could have best shown them that culture & learning are
alright and can be fun: Disney magazines.

Olivier

Olivier:

> I must say I was disappointed to find soccer stories in Gemstone's
> comics as
> well. I find it all the stranger as it is not even an American sport.

You may find it strange, but it ain't so strange from where we sit. An
awful lot of kids are playing soccer here in the States these days, so
a few stories with the soccer theme actually are quite applicable to
our target market.

Gary

I always purchase two copies of UNCLE SCROOGE.
...diminish the readership tally by one.

Anyone else buy multiple issues?

Michael Naiman

Hi Michael, from Italy...
I purchase two copy from USA and one from Italy of all Disney Gemstone
production.
Paolo Bontempi

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> I always purchase two copies of UNCLE SCROOGE.
> ...diminish the readership tally by one.
>
> Anyone else buy multiple issues?
>
> Michael Naiman
>
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Olivier (mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr) said:

> I must say I was disappointed to find soccer stories in Gemstone's comics as
> well. I find it all the stranger as it is not even an American sport.

I assume from your e-mail address you are from France. Perhaps it is not as
common for folks outside of the USA to see televised Soccer events from the USA,
as I would certainly admit that the sport is MUCH BIGGER in other countries
(Brazil, Italy, etc.).

That said, Soccer is FAR from NOT being an American sport. I grew up playing
soccer (not rugby, not football)... the same sport with the white ball with black
geometric shapes on it. Soccer is probably much more popular among kids in the
USA (and by extension, their parents.... ....LOL! Heck, it is such a phenomenon
here in the USA that we have even coined a term for the mother's who take their
kids to practice/games: "Soccer Moms"... though, that has become a somewhat
derogatory term... but that's another story... Y'know, Morty & Ferdie's mother,
Felicity Feildmouse, is indeed a "Soccer Mom!" She attends their games and
supports their athletic endeavors).

In other words, Olivier, Soccer is very much an American sport... it is, however,
very much overshadowed by Football and Baseball, though.

Thanks,

Rich
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> From: miha <miha11 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: The Magnificent seven
> Keno, may I ask you a favor. I'm looking for a script of your
> latest episode The Magnificent seven, that will be as I heard
> published soon. I'd prefer an english version but Swedish would
> do too. If it's not asking too much, thanks in advance.

First of all, the actual title is "The Magnificent Seven (Minus Four)
Caballeros!". It will be published in the first international issues of
2005, not so soon.
And yeah, sorry, actually it would be asking too much. I can only provide
the English script to a comic translator working on the story for a licensed
publisher, and then I would first need to know why he can't get it from the
usual source. The script is just like the art... it's material that is not
to be in the hands of anyone but a licensed publisher, certainly not prior
to publication. Besides, what good is it without seeing the comic art? And
when you do see the story published, there's the script right where it
belongs. The English script you'll see when Gemstone prints it.
Sorry! (But I'm curious as to why you want to see a comic-less script.)

Mickey (mickey at iol.it) asked:
> Felicity? Not Amelia? Where does this name come from?

A friend of mine who works for Egmont advised me of the correction a while back.
Apparently her name was never "Amelia Feildmouse," bur rather "Amalia? Feildmouse"
in Italy (*Amelia* is Magica DeSpell's name in Italy). Felicity is Egmont's
English name for Mickey's sister, the mother of Morty & Ferdie. It has a
more 'aliterative' form, too. :-) I don't know if it has ever appeared in print
though.

Thanks,

Rich
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