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Kimba1962
Lars Jensen has a point, but in all honesty, the more RECENT issues of the pocket books have been rather disappointing compared to the earliest issues. The most recent DDA had a couple of good points (I especially liked the camaraderie between Donald and the female archaeologist in the Egyptian story -- a rare chance for Don to form a bond with a female and be treated with full dignity!), but the stories weren't such a much. Hopefully this was just a minor hiccup.

Re Santiago's comments: Michigan State University Library is also well known for its immense pop-culture collection. I had never heard of the Duke collection, however.

Chris Barat
> Jano Rohleder wrote:
>
> > I'm also quite disappointed in DDA and MMA (especially as MMA was once
> > announced to feature great Italian stories). They include mostly very
> > poor Egmont productions by Bancells & Co with idiotic plots.
> >
> > Well, I guess it's simply for the reason that it's cheaper to use
> > Egmont productions. While those are produced in English (and therefore
> > have to be modified only a litte for publication), the Italian stories
> > would have to be translated first, as they are entirely Italian. And a
> > translator is an additional cost factor which is probably unprofitable
> > for Gemstone.
>
> So to sum up: Gemstone are cheapskates, and I and most other Egmont
> creators who work on the pocketbook stories are hacks, non-talents
> and/or idiots. And you give Bancells an honorary mention.
>
> You know, sometimes I wonder whether certain people have had all traces
> of common decency surgically removed. What kind of person would post a
> blanket statement like the one quoted above on a message board where
> several of said creators and publishers are members? Do you also phone
> up TV writers and tell them they suck if you don't like their work?
> Somehow I doubt it.
>
> If you are dissatisfied with the quality of stories being produced by
> ECN, then why don't you voice those dissatisfactions here where you can
> actually interact with some of the relevant creators? Let DCML know what
> you like, what you don't like and what you would prefer to see. I can't
> guarantee writers and artists (including me) will follow your wishes, or
> will even reply to your postings, but at least there's a chance somebody
> will think you have a point. I know I'm always interested in
> constructive input. (As long as we're not talking about story ideas!!!)
> Just telling creators their work sucks won't lead to better stories.
>
> Lars Jensen
>
>> Nils-at-Duke Lid Hjort:
>
> > a monumental gift to Duke from two brothers who were
> > students
> > here, comprising 55,000 or so comic books. So you
>
> If I knew when I was young, I'd studied at Duke!
>
> ;-)
>
> Santiago.
Luca Boschi
I have a terribly sad new to communicate: the Maestro cartoonist Romano
Scarpa passed away, this very morning, in his home in Spain, where he moved
last year.

Romano was one of the very best Disney creators in the world, ever, as you
well know. He was going on working, recently for Egmont, until last years'
end. Some stories written and drawn by him are still unpublished, included
an old one starring Goofy, which last Summer Romano restored and redrew
partially.
Surely, in the next days we'll have the chance to speak about him, and his
great art, more. But now is important that we share this very too much sad
naw, so that the millions of Scarpa's fans in the world can be informed, and
that Romano's exceptional creativity be honored.

L.
Frank Bubacz
I just read in the internet that Romano Scarpa, my second fave Disney comics
artist of all time, passed away today in the morning, aged 77.

I'm sad and don't know what to say.

Frank
Cesar Ferioli Pelaez
"World of the Dragon Lords" has nothing to see with C?sar Ferioli (He said
it to me some days ago, when I asked him about). By the other hand we can
see on it obviously the style of the Maestro Giorgio Cavazzano.

One list thing: Yesterday, April the 23rd, Romano Scarpa passed away. The
maestro was 77, he died in Fuengirola (MA) Spain, where he lived from some
years ago. Barks, Branca, Scarpa... We're orphans of the best ones!

Doc Static

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Olivier
Hello everybody!

I have received the following message from an Australian duck fan:

>>>>>I have a question from a long time fan of Carl Barks,
>>>>>Scrooge McDuck and his nephew Donald.
>>>>>Woudl you be able to tell me the height of the
>>>>>Beagle Boys in centimetres. I am intending to
>>>>>build them in 1/35th scale for a diorama and need
>>>>>their height.

I remember a discussion a while ago about the ducks' height-- maybe even
their weight-- but not "the" conclusion.
The Beagle Boys seem to be of average height, compared to the-- 1.70 - 1.80
m ?
Does anyone have an estimate?

Thanks!

Olivier
Olivier
I have just learned the sad news on a French forum ( http://fr.outducks.org/picsouman/forum/forum.php?f=0&view=673 ).
The message links to http://www.afnews.info/news.asp :
"The Great Italian Disney Master Romano Scarpa passed away today in the morning" (Sat, April 23, 2005)
This site in turns links to http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/ .

That is quite a loss. Scarpa definitely was one of the major Disney comics authors / artists.
His stories were abundantly featured in the French Disney magazines I grew up with. I generally preferred his Duck stories, and his earlier graphic style, but that's really a matter of personal taste and doesn't lessen his great contribution to (European) Disney comics.

With all my sympathy to Mr Scarpa's family and friends,

Olivier
Jano Rohleder
Lars Jensen wrote:

>So to sum up: Gemstone are cheapskates, and I and most other Egmont
>creators who work on the pocketbook stories are hacks, non-talents
>and/or idiots. And you give Bancells an honorary mention.

Sorry if you took my comment personally. I don't say that the story writers are idiots or that they are untalented or
whatever. I'm just saying that the *plots* of those Egmont stories (especially if written by Pat & Carol McGreal) often
seem to be idiotic and - in comparison to majority of the Italian stories - quite strange.
Especially when it comes to Mickey. I don't remember exactly which story it was or who the author was, but some time ago
in a story (probably drawn by Joaquin or Xavi) Mickey jumps out of a flying plane and in the next panel you see him
falling towards the ground with a very, very idiotic grin and screaming "Hurray! Finally I'm save!".
As a fan of good Mickey stories you have to say "What the heck?" when you read something like this.
Or another example. In a story, someone sends Mickey an elephant. So, what to do with it? No doubt that the "normal"
Mickey would say "How can I get rid of it?". But no way - Mickey is excited and screams joyfully "Oh, that's soooo cool!
I'm gonna take an elephantback-ride through the city and play a trick on Goofy with my new friend!".

Now, see what I mean with idiotic plots?

And - regarding Gemstone - i did in absolutely no way say that they were tightwads. It's a fact that Gemstone is not a
very large publisher (comic book series with the sales figure of the American Disney comics would be cancelled here in
Germany because it's not profitable) and therefore they have to think rational.
I love their publications and have them (and I mean all of them) imported every month. But this doesn't affect my
disappointment in the pocket books.

Again, I'm sorry if my comments did offend you, but you've obviously taken them too personally and by that the wrong
way.

Jano
Deanmary
I just sat down to write to the list and I read the very sad new
that Romano Scarpa has passed away. Boy, I am not sure I have
anything wise or thoughtful to say to this. This is obviously a great
loss to us who love Disney comics. Of course, it is a far greater
loss to his friends and family, who all have my deepest sympathy. One
bright point is that we will always have his stories and that as far
as the North America is concerned, we will have new (to us at least)
stories from him for years to come.

Gary, thanks for mentioning that you have seen a few early issues
of DDA in a Barnes and Noble. Perhaps I have just been missing them
or looking in the wrong area of the store. I don't think I care where
they are placed in these bookstores just as long as they *are* in
these bookstores! Once we get them in all of these bookstores, maybe
we can then worry about what section they should go in. :)

Gary, I know Gemstone plans the digests out far in advance. Are
there any stories by Scarpa or Cavazzano planned for upcoming issues
of DDA and MMA? If not, I would like to be the first to suggest and
ask that some stories by such Italian greats should be published in
the pocket books as soon as possible. If there are others on the list
who feel the same way, please give such input here on the mailing
list. Of course I am not saying that every issue of the pocket books
should only have Italian stories in them. It would just be nice to
see a greater variety.

I am very glad to hear that there are thoughts and discussions
about upcoming TPB libraries for various Disney greats. Of course I
would prefer that there were more definite plans, but the important
thing is that they are being considered at all. As long as there is a
decent chance they will come out someday, I guess I will just have to
be patient! :)

As far as the TPB coming out next year collecting the other Lo$
stories, I have another suggestion. If possible, I think it would be
a good idea to wait to publish it until you could include part 8B in
it. Boy, I think this is the first time I have *ever* asked Gemstone
to hold off on publishing something! :) Of course, if there is too
big a gap between when you want to publish this TPB and when 8B is
available, that may not be possible. However if it is a matter of a
couple months, I think it would be wise to wait until you can include
it in the TPB, especially since this seems to be such an important
story in the Lo$ series. Anyone who does not think it is an important
story will have Katie Sullivan to argue with, right Katie? :)

Congrats and thanks to everyone at both Gemstone and Disney for
making Mickey and the Gang a reality! I can't wait to get it and now
my girlfriend has another Christmas gift to get me!

I want to thank Lars Jensen for his suggestion that we offer
opinions about what we like and do not like in Disney stories. He is
right in that it is all too easy to just complain about certain
stories without giving constructive criticism about we don't like in
stories and what we would like to see. So I am now going to give some
of my opinions on this subject. I am not sure how specific or helpful
what I write will be, but I will give it a shot.

Overall, it seems that the pocket book stories are not as well
written as the shorter stories in the regular comics books. It feels
like they are written for a younger audience than the shorter stories
are. Is there any truth in that? Is there a different intended
audience for the longer pocket book stories compared to the shorter
stories?

Also, it seems to me that many of the pocket book stories feel
padded or stretched out. Often I read some of these stories that are
30-50 pages in length and think to myself, "this same story could have
been written in 16 page stories". I would rather see these longer
stories take advantage of their longer lengths with more "meaty"
stories; stories that would be impossible to tell with only 10-16
pages.

Finally, it seems that way too many of the pocket book stories
rely on sci-fi or fantasy themes. Of course perhaps that is not
really true and that Gemstone has just chosen to publish many stories
with such themes. And the odd thing is that I am in no ways against
sci-fi and fantasy themes; I actually like them at times -- it just
seems that too many of the longer stories (at least the ones we get to
read) are sci-fi or fantasy stories. How about more long straight
adventure stories or some great long comedies?

So Lars, was that helpful or not? I realize I have not been as
specific as I would have liked to have been, but it was the best I
could do now. I would love to hear what you, Lars, and other creators
have to say about this. Also, I would encourage other list members to
give some constructive criticism on what they like and dislike.

Finally, I will not give any story ideas to Disney comic writers,
*except* to say that I would love for *someone* to do the story of
Donald and Daisy met! I myself would love to write that story except
for that "tiny" problem that I am a *very* poor writer... :(

Dean Rekich
ZeldasTriforce
:(

Well this is truly unexpected news. I had no idea he had been sick in recent
months. While I've read only a very small percentage of Scarpa's work, what I
have read has been great. His importance to Disney comics is tremendous and I
know the Italians especially, owe him a great debt.

One thing I admired about him was how long he made Disney comics! 51 years is
an accomplishment in any field, let alone in the comic book business. And to
think that his work will go on being read for no telling how many more
decades.

Derek Smith
Francesco Spreafico
A message board is now available for anyone willing to share their
feelings about this great loss, the messages will be collected and sent
to Romano's family: http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/commenti.asp

Francesco & Eta
Santiago García
I feel very sad. It feels like I lost someone very
dear and near :-(

Anybody knows if there is any e-mail to send our
condolences?

Santiago.

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Le Richard
There is a new feature on the COA website:
http://coa.inducks.org/
You can now tell COA what set of comic-books you own. Once the list is created,
COA will remember it every time you visit the site, and "link" it with the data
in Inducks.
I am using it myself, and it's quite handy: stories that I have are marked in
the COA output, and I can very easily search through my stories. For instance I
can make a list of all Scarpa stories I miss in a few clicks.
Creating the list of comics is also easy, in fact easier than if I wanted to
type in a text file or spreadsheet. COA will make a list of the comic-books
you own/miss for you. For me it is also easier to have my list on the web
privately rather than having to find where I've put it.

Yet, don't spend hours polishing your list of comics, the interface may not be
totally safe: yesterday it deleted some of the data I sent. The bug
is corrected now, but there may be others (just try it on a few items).

That's why I need your help: if something doesn't work as expected, send me a
mail (fwi at inducks.org) with a bug report. It's difficult for me to test all
situations.

Last note: one person asked me to make his list of comics public. I am not sure
exactly what would be the use of this, and I think I wouldn't want to show that
information with the Inducks data. Anyway, for now no comic list is public (and
will never be unless you explicitely ask for).
Santiago García
Chris Barat:

> Re Santiago's comments: Michigan State University
> Library is also well known for its immense
> pop-culture collection. I had never heard of the
> Duke collection, however.

Please don't be offended. Michigan State University
makes me envy, too.

Santiago.

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Frank Bubacz
This is no official news as I type it, but it appears that Dr. Erika Fuchs,
the best-known and best-loved German translator of Disney comics (and
another personal fave of mine), passed away last Friday, one day before
Romano Scarpa, aged 98. Her idiosyncratic and very funny translations played
a rather big part in giving the work of, among others, Carl Barks its
everlasting popularity here in Germany. Her work can't be estimated highly
enough.

So far 2005 is not a good year for Disney comics.

Frank
Mari Reilin
=(
These are very sad news.

It's kind of tragic, that although I read those great stories artist write, I don't know anything of them, expect from Mr. Rosa. All these sad news make me ashame it

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