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Lars Jensen
Timo wrote:

> It is known that Barks sold few gags to Comic Strip Dept through the
> years. I guess this is mentioned in Barrier's book. Can't check it
> right away.

Yep, it's mentioned. I just can't find anything inside or outside of
that book to indicate that Barks should have written that specific gag.

Lars
H.W.Fluks
Lars wrote:

> Something that's been bugging me for quite awhile now...
>
> http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/0/YD+39-09-11
>
> According to Inducks, this was written by Carl Barks. How sure are we
> that this is true?

Follow the link on that page to Dani?l van Eijmeren's guidebook:
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/comicsvarnp.html#ccus_vrnp_u390911

There it says:

<quote>

Alberto Becattini: "Carl Barks submitted 12 gags in 1939 and 2 in 1940. I have no clue as to which strips he actually wrote. Apart from 39-09-11, which was spotted by Michael Naiman and published in Comic Book Marketplace # 40. Indeed, Michael found that Barks had recycled that daily strip gag as the "Beans" gag page appearing in Four Color # 189."

An article by Stefan Schmidt, published in an issue of "Der Donaldist", contains more examples of possible Taliaferro-Barks connections.

Questions: Is Carl Barks the writer or the plotter of this strip? Is this the only newspaper strip which has been identified as being among Barks' 1939 and 1940 gags? What is the issue number of the "Der Donaldist" with the article about possible Taliaferro-Barks connections?

<end quote>

--Harry.
Jeanmarcbano
Mickey in a place out of time : World of tomorrow : this comic story by F.Gottfredson - Bill Walsh, settled at the end of the world war the second, is in the mood of the pulp fiction magazines which were very famous at the time with the favour of the people and which were selling well, so this is a science-fiction story in the mood of the time; this kind of pulp has won a fresh and new interest nowadays with the revival of the pulp movies: Sky captain and the World of Tomorrow,The Shadow, the nostalgia for the 30' 40' can be seen in 'The thirteenth floor' too where the virtual reality sends back to the glory days of hollywood movies; that also can be shown in some currently stories of Mickey : where we discover him with his old outfit, here i can mention a story of Mickey entitled 'la vie en rose' (with Pr Mirandus) - journal de Mickey 2743 -. Physically some of the modern stories of Mickey published in 'Le Journal de Mickey' are sending back to the image of an early Mickey wearing his early clothes, reminiscent of the imaginary of Gottfredson (?a sent l'arnaque! Journal de Mickey 2734). A certain trend of nowadays are tending to turn Mickey into a romantic character put in gothic stories (the gothic, an another trend of nowadays in the movies) : building a story from a character is a sort of rule, it is difficult to bring an intrigue, a plot without taking note of a certain behaviour and way of thinking in the manner by which a character acts ; mickey is rather a classic character, the romanticism is absent (this is a sort of rule, particularly in the detective stories); all that leads to mention a modern story like 'Attention aux jouets' (Bruno Enna/Roberta Migheli), story which reveals an unusual creepy atmosphere which doesn't fit in my opinion with the character despite the fact that this story has the best pretty look of Minnie (this is not Minnie in fact in this story but a sort of 'alternative character' ) with the one of the World of Tomorrow.

An important number of movies in the 30's-50's were having for theme tremendous adventures in exotic countries : that can be reflected in the comics too : Mickey l'Africain (F.Gottfredson) and Mickey et le DingoTarzan (R.Scarpa); these stories were having a special treatment of time due to the numerous way by which the characters moves from lands to lands; distance and time goes together in the following stories of Mickey in Africa: Dingo Tarzan Topolino e il PippoTarzan, Gottfredson : Mickey l'Africain, in South America (Mickey trouve le tr?sor des Azt?ques / Topolino e il tesoro degli Aztechi); the distance are sometimes reduced : Mickey and Dingo en mission secr?te aka Topolino e l'ingranaggio del controspionaggio : Mickey and Dingo seems to change of place very quickly as if they were changing of land as many people change of room; the rapidity of the script has the advantage to give some unexpected appearances to the villains of the plot, we are in a spy story and one of the characteristics of this one is to give place to the unexpected, a spy is someone who is never discovered, invisible even when he is nearby and around; but both the distance and time are also reduced by the rapidity of the machines carrying the bodies at a rapid pace : thanks sometimes to the journey in cars : Marvelous Magnet (Paul Murry), Mickey et la r?volte des ombres aka Topolino e la rivolta della ombre; the stories of mickey often include journeys in cars, the sleep is also an important element for shrinking time; here we can mention the stories Mickey et les Robots ?lectro-m?nageurs entitled in italian Topolino e i rodomestici (the sleep with goofy in the house of a rich woman in order to keep an eye on some valuable things threatened to be robbed), Kali (the night of the first theft by the villain), the beginning of 'Mickey ? l'?ge de pierre' aka Land Of Long Ago - F.Gottfredson - (realistic dream which blurred the frontiers between fantasy and reality), Chirikawa too : Mickey and Atomiinus / Atomic Bop Bop sleeping at his own aunt's house.

The mad scientist reminiscent of the imaginary of the pulp is sheduled during the World War 2 with the story of Mickey Called The World of Tomorrow, released in 1944, one year before the end of the 2nd World War; there is some references about the War in the story and the World of Tomorrow is mentionned as being the post war world; maybe i'm wrong, but according to the story spirit, i think they didn't know at the time that the war should be finished so soon, just one year later, and maybe in the forties people mind war was going to be much longer than it would be the case in definitive; the world of tomorrow introduces the usual characters we find around Mickey (with the important exception of Goofy) : Pluto, Minnie (pretty face of Minnie in this story, very feminine, more than in the stories of the thirties, due to a different way in the Gottfredson's drawing despite the fact that i prefer in an overall picture the way F. Gottfredson had drawn before he chose to change his style); Pete whose desocialization temper is put in relief like in the stories of 'Topolino e la dimensione Delta' Alerte ? la Dimension Delta - excellent story but like i said before the second part of the plot is disappointing - where he is only surrounded by atoms with no humans being; here this is with robots; the story has also some accointances with Island in the Sky (the land over the clouds, in a faraway land with high mountains, a setting that is present - with some slightly differences - in some movies of any era : The Wizard of Oz (1939), Jack the Giant Killer (early sixties) or Sky Captain for mentionning a current movie); the World of tomorrow shows few elements about our media future, the development of the media, obviously, they wasn't able to anticipate that at the time, television was not really important yet (and above all in France where television really developped during the sixties for reaching its peak in the 70's); in the world of the future, people have an expanding choice available to them for changing their faces (so they can be everyone they wish to be - the blonde mask of Minnie at the beginning of the story); they can go through the frontiers and languages; one of the machiavellian plans of pete is to replace the important and celebs characters of the world by look-alike dummies; despite that there is just few references of our media era of the future, 'World of tomorrow' is all about domination as it was the style with those archetypal mad scientists who populated the market of the pulp during this period of time. Soon, the threat of a world domination by a mad leader will be either combined or replaced by the fear of the Bomb (Oncle Picsou se met ? l'abri - Zio Paperone e il ricovero antifungo). Pete here is the main enemy but we can find in the stories other reccurent enemies of Mickey : The Blot, Chalumeau aka Joe Piper le gang des plombiers aka The Plumber's Helper, good Gottfredson story, story preceding both the Blot and the Gleam in chronology and which has some similarities of structures with these two latter ones, especially the repetitive scenes of theft ( -The Gleam - le gang des plombiers ) - or chase ( - here in the Blot -).

The Blot in Italy : often name in the french translated stories 'Jo Crisse' the Blot in Italy is not the international spy as Gottfredson used to show him, he can be a rober who works for his own business (la fontaine aux tritons - Topolino e il trittico del tritone) (mickey contre les sept plaies italian title : Topolino e i malefici sette where the Blot is at the head of a really huge crime organization with great criminals under his orders, notably Pete; the story is a little bit more scary than the usual stories of Mickey, he risks to be killed more often than usual, and in this story he is rather unlucky); the Blot can also be in a story playing almost a cameo part for serving the interest of the main villain : in this occasion Pete (Le myst?re des ?vasions myst?rieuses); in 'Mickey dans la maison d?serte' italian title : Topolino e la villa disabitata the identity of the Blot is only revealed at the end of the story, story which plays with the character who becomes trapped and victim of the circumstances (as it is the case in some Hitchcock's films). The Blot when he teams with Pete often appears as the leader of this one.
Lars Jensen
Harry Fluks quoted:

> I have no clue as to which [Donald Duck newspaper strips Carl Barks]
> actually wrote. Apart from 39-09-11, which was spotted by Michael
> Naiman and published in Comic Book Marketplace # 40.

But how did Michael Naiman know that this strip was written by Barks?

Lars
Le Richard
Le jeudi 7 Avril 2005 17:33, Lars Jensen a ?crit?:
> Timo wrote:
> > It is known that Barks sold few gags to Comic Strip Dept through the
> > years. I guess this is mentioned in Barrier's book. Can't check it
> > right away.
>
> Yep, it's mentioned. I just can't find anything inside or outside of
> that book to indicate that Barks should have written that specific gag.

Didn't know that. Can you tell exactly where is it (what page)?

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Lars Jensen
le Richard wrote:

>> > It is known that Barks sold few gags to Comic Strip Dept through
>> > the years. I guess this is mentioned in Barrier's book.
>>
>> Yep, it's mentioned.
>
> Didn't know that. Can you tell exactly where is it (what page)?

"Carl Barks and the Art of the Comic Book", page 10, second column,
approximately on the middle of the page: "I began turning in scripts
[...]"

Lars
Botto Armando
Timo wrote:
> What is this? "Monumental Disney Encyclopedia 15 volumes, 1970-72" Written

by Guido Martina. Mentioned in Becattini's article about Martina in Le
grandi parodie book of Inferno di Topolino (pg 46).

It's an encyclopedia aimed at children, very popular in Italy at the time.
Each volume was dedicated to a particular knowledge area; Martina wrote
all the texts, which were illustrated by the great G.B. Carpi.

Coincidentally, there's a set currently for sale on eBay Italy, so you can
have a look at the cover of the volume dedicated to "Great myths and
legends":
http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=439&item=5967371948&rd
=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Ciao,
Armando
Daniel Van Eijmeren
ERNST LONGTUPERLINGSTON, 04-04-2005:

> I've just read "Fearsome Flowers" in DD 291 (WDC 214).
> The junior Woodchucks guidebook is mentioned, at the
> last panel. Is it the second time ever the JW
> guidebook is mentioned in a Barks story, or did Barks
> mention it earlier?

Barks (logically) mentioned the Junior Woodchucks guidebook earlier if this
would have been the second time, which isn't the case. The book is first
shown in the sunken city story (US 5), where it's mentioned as the Junior
Woodchucks' Book of Knowledge.

The first time Barks used a book as guide, is in the first rabbit foot story
(WDC 32), where Donald reads a book titled 'Words of Wise Men' which says
that "good luck charms are all hokum", which is tested in the story, the
first Donald Duck story written and drawn by Barks.

Maybe it might be interesting to see Donald's book as an embryonic version
of the Junior Woodchucks guidebook. (Just like Barks already used Klondike
and an automatic goldfinder in the 1930s.)

There are more Barks stories in which the information of books is tested.
(Books other than the Junior Woodchucks guidebook.) It's a recurring story
ingredi?nt. In the april fools' wallets story (WDC 127), recently mentioned
here, the book 'Mein Kampf' by Hitler obviously has failed the test, as it
has been thrown into the city dump the nephews are looking through. (2.1)

DANIEL J NEYER, 06-04-2005:

>> "Hey! You're in TAR AND FEATHERS! That's not your USUAL costume, is it?"
>> (Which Barks story?) [...]

> That's from the Wishing Stones story--said by the nephews to the ousted
> island witch doctor.

The wishing stones story (WDC 211), also about the date April 1st, has been
censored here in Holland. All the natives have been fully redrawn by turning
them into native ducks.

As redrawn, the above quoted medicine man (7.5) doesn't have any tar and
feathers, so the joke is lost. How come? Were the tar and feathers forgotten?
Did the editors use a translated version of the story as a source?

I've heard the version in 'Alle klassieke verhalen 10' is uncensored, but
still uses the same dialogue as in the censored version, where the nephews
just ask why the man is lying in the grass. Can someone check this?
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/0/W+WDC+211-01

The wishing stones might be interesting to compare with the good luck charm
effect as used in for example the first rabbit foot's story (WDC 32), 'The
Magic Hourglass' (OS 291), 'Lost Beneath the Sea' (US 46), and Gladstone
Gander's luck. It just depends on the question if there's a matter of luck
or just a matter of coincidence.

--- Dani?l

"All this GOOD LUCK comes from having a MASCOT!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
VIDAR SVENDSEN, 18-03-2005:

> I've received an email from a guy (Tore Ismanto Hofstad)
> who's writing a thesis about religion and popular culture.
> He asked me for sources on Barks' relation to religion.
> Does any of you know if this has been hinted on
> in any books or interviews?

By head, I remember a quote in a October 19, 1960 letter from Carl Barks to
a fan named Joe Cowles, who wanted to look at Barks's work methods.

Barks ends the letter with: "It would be a pleasure for me to meet a reader
who digs comic books. Up here in the bible belt people only read the good
book and the Walnut Growers' Nutshell News."

Full transcription:
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/deta_text_s_cb-jc601019.html

Large scan of the letter:
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/bl_cbjc601019u.jpg

BTW. What does "bible belt" exactly mean? What tone does it have? I've heard
it as a common phrase, but can't find an exact meaning in my dictionary.

--- Dani?l

"All this GOOD LUCK comes from having a MASCOT!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
DoomaR
Do any body recall the series "Millennium Orb"?

What was the name of the good and the bad wizards??

The story code is D 99038

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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Today, in my previous email, I asked:

> Barks ends the letter with: "It would be a pleasure for me to meet a
> reader who digs comic books. Up here in the bible belt people only
> read the good book and the Walnut Growers' Nutshell News." [...]
> BTW. What does "bible belt" exactly mean? What tone does it have?

Someone replied me:

- - - - - - -

" The "Bible belt" refers to an area of the US where there seems to be a
disproportionate (for the country, that is) number of
"fundamentalist/conservative" Christians. There's a map in this Wikipedia
article <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_belt>... I would have to guess
that Mr. Barks considered the "belt" to extend westward to California. =) "

- - - - - - -

--- Dani?l

"All this GOOD LUCK comes from having a MASCOT!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Stefan Persson
DoomaR wrote:
> */The story code is D 99038/*

D 99038 is only the code of *one* of the chapters in the series.

Stefan
Dooma®
yes.. that is the episode in which the good wizard appeared

On Apr 8, 2005 8:00 PM, Stefan Persson <spe at inducks.org> wrote:
> DoomaR wrote:
> > */The story code is D 99038/*
>
> D 99038 is only the code of *one* of the chapters in the series.
>
> Stefan
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Anthony Vuono
To anyone involved at Gemstone or Gary Leach:
Do you know when your special hardback edition of "Life and Times" comes
out? Since it will be limited, I would not mind ordering it right now!!!
Sincerely,
Anthony
Dennis Books
Carls view on the afterlife can be found in an interview "From the Ducks' Mouth" compiled by Donald Ault. Appeared in THE COMICS JOURNAL #227 Sept. 2000.

anything for a duck or mouse...Dennis

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