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Thomps2525
We have a thread for IDW's Uncle Scrooge #1. We have a thread for IDW's Donald Duck #1. Now we have a thread for IDW's Mickey Mouse #1. The 48-page issue will be published on June 3 in the United States and feature "The Lost Explorers' Trail" with art by Giorgio Cavazzano and Manuel Gonzales. The story includes Mickey's sidekick Eurasia Toft, who is very popular in the Italian stories but I don't believe she has ever appeared in American comics. She was created by Andrea "Casty" Castellan. In addition to the regular cover, there will be a special cover to commemorate the 60th anniversary of Disneyland, which opened on July 17, 1955 in Anaheim, California.
I hope IDW will eventually come up with a better cover design. The letters of "Mickey Mouse" are, for lack of a better word, squished.
Clapton
Quote from user: Thomps2525The 48-page issue will be published on June 3 in the United States and feature "The Lost Explorers' Trail" with art by Giorgio Cavazzano and Manuel Gonzales. The story includes Mickey's sidekick Eurasia Toft, who is very popular in the Italian stories but I don't believe she has ever appeared in American comics. She was created by Andrea "Casty" Castellan.

I hope IDW will eventually come up with a better cover design. The letters of "Mickey Mouse" are, for lack of a better word, squished.


Thomps, the "The Lost Explorers' Trail" is written by Casty with art by Giorgio Cavazzano without Manuel Gonzales. Manuel Gonzales was the artist of the Mickey Mouse Sunday page after Gottfredson moved exclusively to the dallies. My guess is that this issue will have this story (http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+2507-1) with a backup story and some Sunday pages by Gonzales.

I actually like the new Mickey Mouse logo. The logo that needs to change is Uncle Scrooge's which does not have the S in Scrooge as a dollar sign.
Ramapith
Our Mickey Mouse cover logo at IDW is, in fact, the original poster logo designed by Walt and Ub in 1929.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Mickey_Mouse_film_poster.png

From 1986-2011, through various stops and starts, Mickey Mouse always kept the same logotype: a two-line treatment of Mickey's name that, by necessity, took quite a lot of space on most covers??and made it quite difficult to use a lot of beautiful pre-existing European cover drawings.

I like trying a one-line logo for a change; and since ours was good enough for Mickey's literal creators, it's good enough for me. For now. (Of course, nothing's ever set in stone...!)
Quote from user: ClaptonThomps, the "The Lost Explorers' Trail" is written by Casty with art by Giorgio Cavazzano without Manuel Gonzales. Manuel Gonzales was the artist of the Mickey Mouse Sunday page after Gottfredson moved exclusively to the dallies. My guess is that this issue will have this story (http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+2507-1) with a backup story and some Sunday pages by Gonzales.
That's right. Since Gottfredson has a home at Fantagraphics right now, we're using quite a lot of Gonzy's material in the back of Mickey Mouse??look forward to some good stuff!
Fritz Baugh
Quote from user: ramapithOur Mickey Mouse cover logo at IDW is, in fact, the original poster logo designed by Walt and Ub in 1929.
I'd wondered where it came from--awesome touch.
Baar Baar Jinx
I've always kind of liked what Whitman did with the logos.
http://i.imgur.com/nXglurl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NMNLUHP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QJmDbHg.jpg
Thomps2525
Mickey no longer looks (or acts) the way he did in the 1930s so there is no reason for IDW to use the old logo for the Mickey Mouse comics. Yes, the logo is historic but it is also odd-looking because each letter overlaps the letter which follows it except for the first "M." I hope the first IDW issue will at least explain the origin of the logo. I also hope that future issues will redesign the logo so it is not so "squished"---and the "M" overlaps the "I."
The dollar sign derives from "ps," an abbreviation of "peso." The symbol was originally just the letter S. In the 1770s, people starting drawing a straight line through it.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/words/what-is-the-origin-of-the-dollar-sign
Dell's Uncle Scrooge comics used an S with two lines. Maybe Scrooge had twice the wealth of anyone else?
Ramapith
Quote from user: Thomps2525Mickey no longer looks (or acts) the way he did in the 1930s so there is no reason for IDW to use the old logo for the Mickey Mouse comics.
The logo used on Mickey Mouse from 1986-2011 was a repurposed 1930s logo??but you evidently liked it, so you didn't make this argument then!

Honestly, Thomps2525??while you're free to like or dislike our logo choice, you seem right on the edge of angrily lecturing us as to how Mickey should look and behave. What if I told you that in Mickey's latest cartoons, he looks and acts more 1930s-ish than he has in decades? What if I mentioned that our translation team at IDW is heavily inspired by Floyd Gottfredson??as you'll see when you read our end product?

Please give us some room to maneuver... and to please you and other readers. I do think we will??even if not necessarily in every possible way. I have a ton of faith in my colleagues, some of whom have spent decades honing their Disney comics knowledge and skill. They love and are devoted to what they do.
Thomps2525
David, I am not angry...although I do tend to come across as lecturing. I admit it. And I hope you were taking notes. :) I enjoy the new Mickey cartoons because they are very clever and creative.....and Mickey can even take his ears off the way he (and Felix the Cat) used to do in the late 1920s.
I have a subscription to Reminisce magazine. A few months ago, the layout was redesigned. Each page has a wide border and is designed to look like a page of a photo album. On the corners of some of the articles are pictures of the tiny gummed photograph holders that are---or were---used in photo albums. The cover logo is now in a very ugly black script against a plain white background. I wrote the publisher to express my displeasure. If I saw the cover at a newsstand, I wouldn't give the magazine a second look. Very few places other than comic book shops sell comics nowadays but a logo should be attractive, something which will catch the eye of a potential reader. The "USE" in the new "old" logo looks good because those letters are not so cramped. Too much of the "C" and the "O" is covered up. Just stretch the logo out a little. The picture on the cover of issue #1 is nice, although the water looks pointy instead of wet. You and your colleagues "love what they do"? I love reading what you do. I'm looking forward to all the new Disney comics. My collection goes back to 1943, long before I was born.
Clapton
David, I hope my comment about the Uncle Scrooge logo didn't come off as needless nitpicking. In all honesty the logo to these books don't really matter, what matters is the comics inside these books. So far what's been inside have been some of the greatest comics currently being published in America.
I'm just curious but will we be seeing some of those post-Gottfredson continuity Sundays stories like this one(http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=ZM+018). I haven't bought the Fantagraphic Sunday collections yet so I don't know if you acknowledged some reason they can't be reprinted in those collections but if they aren't offensive and are good I would love to see them.
Another question, (sorry hope I'm not being pushy) will we be seeing any good non-gottfredson/barks American material. I really want to see Birthday Bugaboo by Harry Gladstone, Having a Panic by Don Christensen and Tony Strobl(which I've wanted to read since GeoX made a blog post about it),Floyd Norman's Mickey serials, Bob Gregory's good duck scripts from before he decided to violate our eyes with his mediocre artwork, more of Mark Evanier's scripts and Bill Wright's still unpublished comic book stories. I absolutely love the stories your picking for American publication and I'm not saying that you need to publish these now or that they should dominate over New to the US stories (which should dominate), I'm just wondering if they'll pop up at some point in the future.
Thanks you and your team at IDW for these comics. They are without a doubt a highlight of my workweek usually filled with boredom and drudgery.
Ramapith
Quote from user: ClaptonI'm just curious but will we be seeing some of those post-Gottfredson continuity Sundays stories like this one(http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=ZM+018).
We don't have any Mickey Sunday continuities on the schedule??yet. But never say never (...though alas, the specific story you cite includes some very dated content, so I wouldn't put it in a regular all-ages comic).
At first, our major use for the Gonzy-era Sundays is to fully introduce Ellsworth, who down the line will also play a part in some of the new-to-USA Scarpa stories we plan to feature.

As to non-Gottfredson/Barks American material: it's too early to announce anything for sure, but tentatively speaking, a few of your suggestions are already on the schedule. Our Donald Duck #1 goes partway there with a "new" Kinney/Hubbard Fethry story, one of my personal favorites; though admittedly, it's not exactly a reprint of the kind you have described, as it hasn't appeared domestically before.
Thomps2525
Speaking of which, why are certain characters, such as Fethry Duck, Eurasia Toft, Jubal Pomp and Brigitta MacBridge, so popular outside of the United States but are not very well-known in the United States? Do American editors think those characters would not appeal to American readers? And if that is the case, then why?
If we're allowed to make requests, I'd like to see more Gyro Gearloose stories. And does anyone remember Gyro's nephew Newton?
Ramapith
We've got some Gyro on the docket, though I can't announce any specifics yet.
Brigitta and Jubal were introduced in stories made by Europeans for domestic European comics.
Fethry was introduced in stories made by Americans, but for a special pool of "Disney Studio stories" aimed at foreign markets first.
Western Publishing ran almost none of the European or Studio material before 1984. As far as my colleagues and I have been able to figure out, Western's editors considered the European content either too sophisticated, too old-fashioned, or both. Meanwhile, Western seemingly wasn't allowed to use the Studio stories outside of special circumstances, so almost never published any.
Did Western's editors think that this content "would not appeal to American readers?" It's hard to know how they felt about their readers. But one can frankly get a taste of their personal sensibilities from the fact that they encouraged this while turning Daan Jippes and Fred Milton away at the door; and when Harry Gladstone, a domestic Barks fan, proved able to mimic Barks' 1946 style almost exactly, Western demanded he mimick Tony Strobl's 1971 model sheets instead.
So??because the foreign and Studio stories were blocked from our market, Fethry, Jubal, and Brigitta were, too. They've only become a part of our domestic Disney comic books in the 1990s and afterward, when the issues were all too often poorly advertised, poorly distributed, or both??so the larger American public just hasn't become too aware of the characters.
They make nice best-kept secrets, though, don't they? And nothing says that if the comics became popular again, Fethry, Brigitta, and Jubal wouldn't become popular along with them.
Eurasia Toft, meanwhile, is a relatively new Italian creation, having only made a handful of appearances and all within the last twelve years. While her stories are certainly popular among diehard fans in Europe, I'm not sure she's a household name yet there, either. But give her time. Who doesn't like an overenthusiastic college-grad jungle explorer with a Cockney brogue?
Thomps2525
"Too sophisticated and too old-fashioned," eh? Why didn't the editors publish a few of those stories in the United States and let us decide? I'm looking forward to seeing all those characters. And asking an artist to copy Tony Strobl's style? Why not go a step further and ask him to copy Al Hubbard's style? Sheesh!
I clicked the link---it was easy!---and saw the cover of an Uncle Scrooge comic with art by Jack Manning. (Where does Scrooge find all those sacks with dollar signs printed on them? I'm not aware of any banks using such sacks.) Manning was an effects animator for Disney. He worked on the 1942 Symphony Hour cartoon, among others. He also spent many years at Hanna-Barbera. In 1972, H-B attempted to create an animated series which would equal the success of The Flintstones (which was set in the Stone Age) and The Jetsons (which was set in the distant future). The attempt failed. Roman Holidays lasted just 13 episodes and spawned a four-issue comic book. Manning was the artist. The tv series' opening, which used many of the same gags as The Flintstones, can be seen at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLE3yzqUYhc
Mesterius
Quote from user: ramapithOur Mickey Mouse cover logo at IDW is, in fact, the original poster logo designed by Walt and Ub in 1929.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Mickey_Mouse_film_poster.png

From 1986-2011, through various stops and starts, Mickey Mouse always kept the same logotype: a two-line treatment of Mickey's name that, by necessity, took quite a lot of space on most covers??and made it quite difficult to use a lot of beautiful pre-existing European cover drawings.

I like trying a one-line logo for a change; and since ours was good enough for Mickey's literal creators, it's good enough for me. For now. (Of course, nothing's ever set in stone...!)

That 1986-2011 logo wasn't always two-line, at least not judging by this Issuu preview of Boom! Kids' Mickey Mouse issue #303: http://issuu.com/previews/docs/mickeymousefriends_303_prev I appreciate the historic background of the IDW logo, but I think the version on #303 looks better design-wise, and also reads much better from a distance.

It would seem the main problem with using the one-line version on the Boom cover is the credit list on IDW's covers, which takes up a lot of space in the upper left-hand margin. Maybe this credit layout could be changed for the Mickey covers only?
Baar Baar Jinx
As long as we're talking about logos, I've always wondered why some recent publishers chose to drop the "And Stories" part of the WDC&S masthead, while not officially changing the name of the title. I believe it started when Gladstone II turned WDC&S into a prestige book, but then Gemstone and Boom simply continued the convention. Why was this done? Surely not simply to save space? The "And Stories" part of the title was usually very small and often on the same line as "Comics". I know that the text-based stories were mercifully dropped long ago, but was that the only reason "And Stories" was dropped? Why not officially rename the title "Walt Disney's Comics", then? Looks like IDW has chosen to reinstate the full title on the cover.
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