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Topic: Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
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Clapton
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 61 -
2015-06-10 at 16:06:34
It's offical Mickey Mouse#1 is coming out on the 24th. http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/916?stockItemID=APR150424
Thomps2525
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 62 -
2015-06-15 at 20:32:42
In his first four cartoons, Mickey did not wear gloves. In The Opry House, he put on gloves before playing a piano. Since his sixth cartoon, When The Cat's Away, Mickey has always worn gloves. In Mickey & The Seal, he even left his gloves on while he took a bath!
Writing in Fantagraphics' sixth volume of Mickey Mouse comic strips, Joe Torcivia refers to "the Disney characters' ubiquitous gloves." In Floyd Gottfredson's story involving a hypnotist/jewel thief known as The Gleam, those gloves hide fingerprints and, in one scene, conceal the identity of The Gleam's accomplice. Does anyone know who decided that Mickey should always wear gloves? And is the purpose of the gloves to make it easier for the animators to show what Mickey is doing with his hands? Or is part of the reason for the gloves to help distinguish Mickey from Walt's earlier character, Oswald Rabbit? Was Mickey the first cartoon animal to wear gloves? I'm better at coming up with questions than answers.
Since 1973, Cecil Adams has written a syndicated question-and-answer column called The Straight Dope. (In the US and in the column's title, "dope" means "inside information.") Adams has also published several books and maintains a website. Here is his explanation of why so many cartoon animals wear gloves:
"Many early animation characters were crude portrayals of black people, often based on the characters in blackface minstrel shows. The minstrels wore gloves, so their cartoon equivalents did too. When these racial stereotypes became unacceptable, animation studios switched to using animals instead."
One of the responses is from a man who thought it was hilarious that one of Max's college buddies in An Extremely Goofy Movie asked, "Did you ever wonder why we always wear these gloves?"
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=350148
Writing in Fantagraphics' sixth volume of Mickey Mouse comic strips, Joe Torcivia refers to "the Disney characters' ubiquitous gloves." In Floyd Gottfredson's story involving a hypnotist/jewel thief known as The Gleam, those gloves hide fingerprints and, in one scene, conceal the identity of The Gleam's accomplice. Does anyone know who decided that Mickey should always wear gloves? And is the purpose of the gloves to make it easier for the animators to show what Mickey is doing with his hands? Or is part of the reason for the gloves to help distinguish Mickey from Walt's earlier character, Oswald Rabbit? Was Mickey the first cartoon animal to wear gloves? I'm better at coming up with questions than answers.
Since 1973, Cecil Adams has written a syndicated question-and-answer column called The Straight Dope. (In the US and in the column's title, "dope" means "inside information.") Adams has also published several books and maintains a website. Here is his explanation of why so many cartoon animals wear gloves:
"Many early animation characters were crude portrayals of black people, often based on the characters in blackface minstrel shows. The minstrels wore gloves, so their cartoon equivalents did too. When these racial stereotypes became unacceptable, animation studios switched to using animals instead."
One of the responses is from a man who thought it was hilarious that one of Max's college buddies in An Extremely Goofy Movie asked, "Did you ever wonder why we always wear these gloves?"
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=350148
Baar Baar Jinx
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 63 -
2015-06-15 at 21:04:06
Quote from user: Thomps2525And is the purpose of the gloves to make it easier for the animators to show what Mickey is doing with his hands? Or is part of the reason for the gloves to help distinguish Mickey from Walt's earlier character, Oswald Rabbit? Was Mickey the first cartoon animal to wear gloves? I'm better at coming up with questions than answers.
Not sure how much truth there is to that "minstrel origins" story; Mickey didn't wear gloves initially, so that would seem to invalidate that hypothesis. I've always imagined it's because Mickey's hands are black, so it's hard to discern exactly what his individual fingers are doing (and hard to animate). White gloves make it easier. The ducks have white hands, so don't need gloves. Of course, the convention caught on and now wearing gloves (or not) is an individualized decision in the design of a character rather than considerations of ease of animation. Non-Disney characters wear gloves too; Bugs Bunny most notably (although strangely, not Daffy, who really needs them, since his hands are black). Do the Beagle Boys wear gloves? The DuckTales versions unambiguously do. Some colorists leave the comic book Beagle Boys' hands white (suggesting gloves) and some flesh them in. I've seen Barks and Rosa put hair on the Beagle Boys' hands, so I don't think either of them meant the Beagle Boys to wear gloves (although sometimes Barks' Beagle Boys have the characteristic three lines on the back of their hands, suggesting gloves).
Not sure how much truth there is to that "minstrel origins" story; Mickey didn't wear gloves initially, so that would seem to invalidate that hypothesis. I've always imagined it's because Mickey's hands are black, so it's hard to discern exactly what his individual fingers are doing (and hard to animate). White gloves make it easier. The ducks have white hands, so don't need gloves. Of course, the convention caught on and now wearing gloves (or not) is an individualized decision in the design of a character rather than considerations of ease of animation. Non-Disney characters wear gloves too; Bugs Bunny most notably (although strangely, not Daffy, who really needs them, since his hands are black). Do the Beagle Boys wear gloves? The DuckTales versions unambiguously do. Some colorists leave the comic book Beagle Boys' hands white (suggesting gloves) and some flesh them in. I've seen Barks and Rosa put hair on the Beagle Boys' hands, so I don't think either of them meant the Beagle Boys to wear gloves (although sometimes Barks' Beagle Boys have the characteristic three lines on the back of their hands, suggesting gloves).
Thomps2525
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 64 -
2015-06-15 at 21:26:34
In 1927, Disney animators Hugh Harman and Rudolf Ising created a "black boy" character named Bosko. He was a sterotypical (for that era) Negro, except for the "dog nose." In 1929, Harman and Ising produced a film showing Ising creating Bosko and then talking with him. The film was not shown in theaters. It was presented to studio executives in the hope that someone would be interested in producing a cartoon series starring Bosko. Warner Brothers was.....and did. Bosko's first words were: "Well, here I is an' I sho' feels good." And Bosko, like Mickey, did not initially wear gloves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn7XvTDM-gk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn7XvTDM-gk
Robb_K
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 65 -
2015-06-15 at 22:34:07
Bark's Beagle Boys wore globes (so as not to leave fingerprints).
King Scrooge The First
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 66 -
2015-06-16 at 00:52:12
Quote from user: Robb_KBark's Beagle Boys wore globes (so as not to leave fingerprints).
Wouldn't gloves be more practical than wearing globes on your hands? :)
Wouldn't gloves be more practical than wearing globes on your hands? :)
Robb_K
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 67 -
2015-06-16 at 11:52:17
Quote from user: king scrooge the firstQuote from user: Robb_KBark's Beagle Boys wore globes (so as not to leave fingerprints).
Wouldn't gloves be more practical than wearing globes on your hands? :)
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Wouldn't gloves be more practical than wearing globes on your hands? :)
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Baar Baar Jinx
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 68 -
2015-06-16 at 16:13:31
Quote from user: Robb_KBark's Beagle Boys wore globes (so as not to leave fingerprints).
I'm not sure it necessarily had anything to do with fingerprints; sometimes Barks' non-Duck dogface background characters seem to wear gloves, and sometimes they don't. I think he was a little inconsistent with the Beagle Boys; at times they are clearly wearing gloves...
http://i.imgur.com/kYV9CPJ.jpg
... and at other times they seem not to be. For example, in the Holiday in Duckburg lithograph, they aren't.
http://i.imgur.com/vkA31u5.jpg
Rosa's Beagle Boys, though, are quite explicitly not glove-wearers.
http://i.imgur.com/ioZh1P9.jpg
I somehow personally prefer that the Beagle Boys not wear gloves, but in general, it isn't something I think of a lot (unlike the color of Scrooge's coat, for example, which to me is far more important).
I'm not sure it necessarily had anything to do with fingerprints; sometimes Barks' non-Duck dogface background characters seem to wear gloves, and sometimes they don't. I think he was a little inconsistent with the Beagle Boys; at times they are clearly wearing gloves...
http://i.imgur.com/kYV9CPJ.jpg
... and at other times they seem not to be. For example, in the Holiday in Duckburg lithograph, they aren't.
http://i.imgur.com/vkA31u5.jpg
Rosa's Beagle Boys, though, are quite explicitly not glove-wearers.
http://i.imgur.com/ioZh1P9.jpg
I somehow personally prefer that the Beagle Boys not wear gloves, but in general, it isn't something I think of a lot (unlike the color of Scrooge's coat, for example, which to me is far more important).
Thomps2525
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 69 -
2015-06-16 at 22:48:20
It doesn't seem odd to see the Beagle Boys with human hands but it seems very odd to see those hands with only four fingers instead of five. Most animal characters in cartoons and comics have only four fingers on each hand, even characters such as Donald Duck and Porky Pig, who shouldn't even have hands. We are so used to seeing four-fingered hands and four-fingered gloves, we probably think it looks strange if we see an animal character with five fingers on each hand, even though five fingers is normal.
In trying to determine who was the first glove-wearing animal in a cartoon, I learned about Romiet & Julio, produced by Barré Studios and released on January 9, 1915. It is believed to be the first animated cartoon. (The studio had done some prior animation but it was used to advertise products.) I don't know if the cat is Romiet or if he is Julio but he seems to be the first animal to appear in a cartoon, albeit he was not wearing gloves. I'm guessing that very few real cats wore gloves in 1915. Maybe none. No copies of that hundred-year-old film are known to exist but a poster has survived. I don't know if the one pictured below is an original or if it is a reproduction.
Barré Studios: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barr%C3%A9_Studio

In trying to determine who was the first glove-wearing animal in a cartoon, I learned about Romiet & Julio, produced by Barré Studios and released on January 9, 1915. It is believed to be the first animated cartoon. (The studio had done some prior animation but it was used to advertise products.) I don't know if the cat is Romiet or if he is Julio but he seems to be the first animal to appear in a cartoon, albeit he was not wearing gloves. I'm guessing that very few real cats wore gloves in 1915. Maybe none. No copies of that hundred-year-old film are known to exist but a poster has survived. I don't know if the one pictured below is an original or if it is a reproduction.
Barré Studios: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barr%C3%A9_Studio
Debbie
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 70 -
2015-06-17 at 20:19:29
Quote from user: Thomps2525It doesn't seem odd to see the Beagle Boys with human hands but it seems very odd to see those hands with only four fingers instead of five. Most animal characters in cartoons and comics have only four fingers on each hand, even characters such as Donald Duck and Porky Pig, who shouldn't even have hands. We are so used to seeing four-fingered hands and four-fingered gloves, we probably think it looks strange if we see an animal character with five fingers on each hand, even though five fingers is normal.
A lot of early Mickey Mouse publicity art (and a few dolls) that originated outside of the Disney studio featured Mickey Mouse with five fingers!
A lot of early Mickey Mouse publicity art (and a few dolls) that originated outside of the Disney studio featured Mickey Mouse with five fingers!
Thomps2525
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 71 -
2015-06-17 at 21:26:40
Wow, I never knew that! I found a picture of a five-fingered Mickey doll by doing an image search on Google. The year of manufacture and the country of origin are not given. The Mickey Mouse page on the OMG Facts website quotes Walt Disney as saying that Mickey would look strange with five fingers on each hand: "Five digits are too many for a mouse. It would look like a bunch of bananas."
http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/337/9-Facts-About-Mickey-Mouse-You-Never-Knew

http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/337/9-Facts-About-Mickey-Mouse-You-Never-Knew
Ramapith
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 72 -
2015-06-18 at 03:07:34
The Mickey doll you have pictured is the standard type sold by Dean's Rag Book, a UK-based firm, in the 1930s. Dean's "innovations," like five-fingered hands, big teeth and whiskers, were deliberately added by designer Richard Evans Ellet as a means of making the design unique to Dean. Dean apparently didn't have exclusive rights to Mickey in the UK, but they could take action against other Mickey manufacturers if those others imitated Dean-specific features like the teeth and whiskers. (In November 1930, they took a rival to court for copying the whiskers!)
Clapton
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 73 -
2015-06-18 at 03:18:11
Quote from user: ramapithThe Mickey doll you have pictured is the standard type sold by Dean's Rag Book, a UK-based firm, in the 1930s. Dean's "innovations," like five-fingered hands, big teeth and whiskers, were deliberately added by designer Richard Evans Ellet as a means of making the design unique to Dean. Dean apparently didn't have exclusive rights to Mickey in the UK, but they could take action against other Mickey manufacturers if those others imitated Dean-specific features like the teeth and whiskers. (In November 1930, they took a rival to court for copying the whiskers!)
Why tho!!! That doll is creepier than Bob Gregory's artwork. What kid would want to have THAT starring them down as they go to bed?
Why tho!!! That doll is creepier than Bob Gregory's artwork. What kid would want to have THAT starring them down as they go to bed?
Nectaria
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 74 -
2015-06-18 at 03:53:48
Quote from user: Thomps2525Wow, I never knew that! I found a picture of a five-fingered Mickey doll by doing an image search on Google. The year of manufacture and the country of origin are not given. The Mickey Mouse page on the OMG Facts website quotes Walt Disney as saying that Mickey would look strange with five fingers on each hand: "Five digits are too many for a mouse. It would look like a bunch of bananas."
http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/337/9-Facts-About-Mickey-Mouse-You-Never-Knew

*gasp* This Mickey Mouse doll looks very very weird :O! Isn't this Mickey Mouse doll a knock-off or something? I have a Mickey Mouse shirt where Mickey has five fingers and wearing sunglasses. I agree that Mickey would look strange with five fingers. I always prefer anthropomorphic animals with four fingers.
http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/337/9-Facts-About-Mickey-Mouse-You-Never-Knew
*gasp* This Mickey Mouse doll looks very very weird :O! Isn't this Mickey Mouse doll a knock-off or something? I have a Mickey Mouse shirt where Mickey has five fingers and wearing sunglasses. I agree that Mickey would look strange with five fingers. I always prefer anthropomorphic animals with four fingers.
Ryan_Wynns
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 75 -
2015-06-20 at 01:52:20
Looks like Mickey Mouse #1 / #301 has now been pushed back to July 1st: http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/916?stockItemID=APR150424