A comic book shop has to order 25 regular variants to get one of those, and 50 to get two copies etc. According to ICv2, sales estimate for May was 19,945 for Donald Duck #1 and 14,366 for Uncle Scrooge #2 (a lot more than BOOM! used to have).
So if we say 15,000 regular copies was sold, then theoretically there can be up to 600 copies of the retailer incentive variant. But only the largest comic shops order more than 25 copies, so the number is less than that. I've seen biddig on eBay where they go for around $15.
The comic-con exclusive variants are limited to 500 copies.
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Topic: Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
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FAa
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 91 -
2015-06-30 at 03:51:09
Patco
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 92 -
2015-06-30 at 15:55:57
Those are my favorite movies and comics... Mickey Mouse is a GREAT "hero" :)
Thomps2525
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 93 -
2015-06-30 at 20:18:35
Thank you, FAa, for your very detailed explanation, although I'm disheartened to see that fewer than 20,000 copies of each of those Donald and Scrooge comics were sold. I would have thought the number would be at least 100,000. In the 1950s, Walt Disney's Comics & Stories had a monthly circulation of more than three million. To this day, no other comic has had a larger circulation. The Disney Comics Worldwide site has an article about the popularity of Disney comics in various countries. The writer says that "Disney comics may be dying in the United States ?? in the rest of the world they are still very much alive!" But that was written in 2007. In 2015, thanks to IDW, Disney comics are no longer "dying."
http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw/blog/2007/04/disney-comics-around-the-world/#sthash.REsjhc41.dpuf
http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw/blog/2007/04/disney-comics-around-the-world/#sthash.REsjhc41.dpuf
Clapton
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 94 -
2015-06-30 at 21:40:13
Quote from user: Thomps2525Thank you, FAa, for your very detailed explanation, although I'm disheartened to see that fewer than 20,000 copies of each of those Donald and Scrooge comics were sold. I would have thought the number would be at least 100,000. In the 1950s, Walt Disney's Comics & Stories had a monthly circulation of more than three million. To this day, no other comic has had a larger circulation. The Disney Comics Worldwide site has an article about the popularity of Disney comics in various countries. The writer says that "Disney comics may be dying in the United States ?? in the rest of the world they are still very much alive!" But that was written in 2007. In 2015, thanks to IDW, Disney comics are no longer "dying."
http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw/blog/2007/04/disney-comics-around-the-world/#sthash.REsjhc41.dpuf
So are those sales good?
http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw/blog/2007/04/disney-comics-around-the-world/#sthash.REsjhc41.dpuf
So are those sales good?
WB
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 95 -
2015-06-30 at 23:07:35
Clapton, Thomps is trying to compare it to sales from the 1940's-50's which is....borderline ludicrous (Sorry Thomps, it really is). There were so many different factors in play back then compared to the way books are sold and made and marketed now that the circumstances between both eras are beyond incomparable. That isn't even taking into effect that the Western books were on the old school American newsstand market which was an entirely different beast from today's newsstand altogether. It's also an especially a bad comparison considering that the line is A) technically brand new/just starting and B) recovering from negligence and the boondoggles of previous publishers. Needless to say the books are indeed doing very, very good right out the gate for them to be direct market only and, as Debbie pointed out rather astutely with other Disney material coming down the pike, it can only get better -- knock on wood. ;)
Thomps2525
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 96 -
2015-07-01 at 23:10:44
WB, when you mentioned the "boondoggles of previous publishers," didn't you mean to say "Boomdoggles"? :)
Yes, there were many more stores selling comic books in 1955 than there are in 2015. I used to be able to buy comics at the local supermarket, the drugstore and the toy store. Many dime stores---remember dime stores?---also had a revolving rack of comic books. But the United States population is now 321,000,000. In 1955, when Walt Disney's Comics & Stories had a circulation of three million, the population was 166,000,000. With an increase of 154,000,000 people in the past sixty years, shouldn't there be a much larger number of comic book buyers now than in the 1950s? I'm also considering the worldwide popularity of the Disney theme parks, Disney-Pixar movies, Disney consumer products, Disney Channel programs and the Radio Disney network. I would think a new Disney comic in 2015 should sell more than just 20,000 copies. I hope sales improve with every passing month. I want Disney comics to continue being published.
Yes, there were many more stores selling comic books in 1955 than there are in 2015. I used to be able to buy comics at the local supermarket, the drugstore and the toy store. Many dime stores---remember dime stores?---also had a revolving rack of comic books. But the United States population is now 321,000,000. In 1955, when Walt Disney's Comics & Stories had a circulation of three million, the population was 166,000,000. With an increase of 154,000,000 people in the past sixty years, shouldn't there be a much larger number of comic book buyers now than in the 1950s? I'm also considering the worldwide popularity of the Disney theme parks, Disney-Pixar movies, Disney consumer products, Disney Channel programs and the Radio Disney network. I would think a new Disney comic in 2015 should sell more than just 20,000 copies. I hope sales improve with every passing month. I want Disney comics to continue being published.
Sirtao
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 97 -
2015-07-03 at 00:15:00
Quote from user: marrkPreview: http://issuu.com/idwpublishing/docs/mickeymouse_01-pr
I just realized something... did IDW turned one of the characters black?
Or my recalling of the original comic is wrong?
I just realized something... did IDW turned one of the characters black?
Or my recalling of the original comic is wrong?
Clapton
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 98 -
2015-07-03 at 02:46:12
Quote from user: sirtaoQuote from user: marrkPreview: http://issuu.com/idwpublishing/docs/mickeymouse_01-pr
I just realized something... did IDW turned one of the characters black?
Or my recalling of the original comic is wrong?
A quick look at Lost explorers inducks page preview revealed that you are right. I think this was a good way for IDW to promote diversity which fits with the story's theme of equality.
I just realized something... did IDW turned one of the characters black?
Or my recalling of the original comic is wrong?
A quick look at Lost explorers inducks page preview revealed that you are right. I think this was a good way for IDW to promote diversity which fits with the story's theme of equality.
Sirtao
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 99 -
2015-07-03 at 20:56:32
Quote from user: ClaptonQuote from user: sirtaoQuote from user: marrkPreview: http://issuu.com/idwpublishing/docs/mickeymouse_01-pr
I just realized something... did IDW turned one of the characters black?
Or my recalling of the original comic is wrong?
A quick look at Lost explorers inducks page preview revealed that you are right. I think this was a good way for IDW to promote diversity which fits with the story's theme of equality.
I don't agree with ANY change on art and dialogues, myself.
And I don't quite agree the theme is "equality": it seemed, at least in the Italian original, more "don't judge a book from the cover" theme paired with a play on "Mickey is super-competent" stereotype common in Italian Mickey stories.
I just realized something... did IDW turned one of the characters black?
Or my recalling of the original comic is wrong?
A quick look at Lost explorers inducks page preview revealed that you are right. I think this was a good way for IDW to promote diversity which fits with the story's theme of equality.
I don't agree with ANY change on art and dialogues, myself.
And I don't quite agree the theme is "equality": it seemed, at least in the Italian original, more "don't judge a book from the cover" theme paired with a play on "Mickey is super-competent" stereotype common in Italian Mickey stories.
Clapton
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 100 -
2015-07-03 at 21:09:56
Quote from user: sirtaoQuote from user: ClaptonQuote from user: sirtaoI just realized something... did IDW turned one of the characters black?
Or my recalling of the original comic is wrong?
A quick look at Lost explorers inducks page preview revealed that you are right. I think this was a good way for IDW to promote diversity which fits with the story's theme of equality.
I don't agree with ANY change on art and dialogues, myself.
And I don't quite agree the theme is "equality": it seemed, at least in the Italian original, more "don't judge a book from the cover" theme paired with a play on "Mickey is super-competent" stereotype common in Italian Mickey stories.
Well the equality thing about the change in coloring was a bit of a stretch on my part but I stand by that "Lost Explorers" it self is about equality (Gender Equality to be more specific). Mickey thinks he made a mistake bringing Eurasia along until she comically out does him on numerous occasions. However Eurasia later makes a mistake showing that she's not perfect either. This is done to clearly show to young readers that Mickey (a boy) and Eurasia (a girl) are equal. Also while you don't have to agree with equality being one of "lost explorers" themes your view on not changing art and dialoge isn't really valid since, so far, all the stories published by IDW feature modern coloring and localized dialog. On top of that the explorers skin color doesn't really make the story worse in any way. Anyways, I'm done over analyzing minor details in Disney Comics... But I'm interusted to hear any one else's opinion on this topic. :)
Or my recalling of the original comic is wrong?
A quick look at Lost explorers inducks page preview revealed that you are right. I think this was a good way for IDW to promote diversity which fits with the story's theme of equality.
I don't agree with ANY change on art and dialogues, myself.
And I don't quite agree the theme is "equality": it seemed, at least in the Italian original, more "don't judge a book from the cover" theme paired with a play on "Mickey is super-competent" stereotype common in Italian Mickey stories.
Well the equality thing about the change in coloring was a bit of a stretch on my part but I stand by that "Lost Explorers" it self is about equality (Gender Equality to be more specific). Mickey thinks he made a mistake bringing Eurasia along until she comically out does him on numerous occasions. However Eurasia later makes a mistake showing that she's not perfect either. This is done to clearly show to young readers that Mickey (a boy) and Eurasia (a girl) are equal. Also while you don't have to agree with equality being one of "lost explorers" themes your view on not changing art and dialoge isn't really valid since, so far, all the stories published by IDW feature modern coloring and localized dialog. On top of that the explorers skin color doesn't really make the story worse in any way. Anyways, I'm done over analyzing minor details in Disney Comics... But I'm interusted to hear any one else's opinion on this topic. :)
Debbie
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 101 -
2015-07-03 at 21:12:43
Personally, I don't think a minor coloring change like that harms the story in any way. I'm certain that the art gets colored and recolored whenever it is reprinted anywhere.
Sirtao
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 102 -
2015-07-04 at 20:58:33
Quote from user: ClaptonThis is done to clearly show to young readers that Mickey (a boy) and Eurasia (a girl) are equal.
I don't quite agree: Eurasia being a girl isn't relevant as much as Mickey's first impression of her as a "city-dwelling library mouse"
Quote:Also while you don't have to agree with equality being one of "lost explorers" themes your view on not changing art and dialoge isn't really valid since, so far, all the stories published by IDW feature modern coloring and localized dialog.
On top of that the explorers skin color doesn't really make the story worse in any way.
And I don't agree on that level of localization in first place.
Also, recolouring is one thing, changing characters' skin colour for the sake of politically correctness is another.
After all, if changing the character's race has no impact on the story, then there is no reason for changing it in first place.
Of course, I'm guessing they asked the original authors about the race-change and they were all "Sure, no problem. It's not like it has any relevance to the story whatsoever"
I don't quite agree: Eurasia being a girl isn't relevant as much as Mickey's first impression of her as a "city-dwelling library mouse"
Quote:Also while you don't have to agree with equality being one of "lost explorers" themes your view on not changing art and dialoge isn't really valid since, so far, all the stories published by IDW feature modern coloring and localized dialog.
On top of that the explorers skin color doesn't really make the story worse in any way.
And I don't agree on that level of localization in first place.
Also, recolouring is one thing, changing characters' skin colour for the sake of politically correctness is another.
After all, if changing the character's race has no impact on the story, then there is no reason for changing it in first place.
Of course, I'm guessing they asked the original authors about the race-change and they were all "Sure, no problem. It's not like it has any relevance to the story whatsoever"
Matilda
Mickey Mouse #1 (310)
Message 103 -
2015-07-05 at 02:18:04
Quote from user: sirtaoQuote from user: ClaptonThis is done to clearly show to young readers that Mickey (a boy) and Eurasia (a girl) are equal.
I don't quite agree: Eurasia being a girl isn't relevant as much as Mickey's first impression of her as a "city-dwelling library mouse"
Quote:Also while you don't have to agree with equality being one of "lost explorers" themes your view on not changing art and dialoge isn't really valid since, so far, all the stories published by IDW feature modern coloring and localized dialog.
On top of that the explorers skin color doesn't really make the story worse in any way.
And I don't agree on that level of localization in first place.
Also, recolouring is one thing, changing characters' skin colour for the sake of politically correctness is another.
After all, if changing the character's race has no impact on the story, then there is no reason for changing it in first place.
Of course, I'm guessing they asked the original authors about the race-change and they were all "Sure, no problem. It's not like it has any relevance to the story whatsoever"
On the localization, I'm pretty sure lots of us would agree that we *want* carefully crafted English dialogue that adds funny references and jokes (after all, there are often jokes and references in the original script which do not translate) and that makes the story intelligible to a contemporary young American readership which is ignorant of the world of Disney comics. Nowadays, certainly, most Disney comics writers expect that their stories will be localized, and to a greater or lesser extent rewritten in the process.
On skin color, the only thing I'll say is that there is indeed at least one reason to change a character's skin color: when you expect that the readership will include people of various skin colors, you might want readers of all sorts to be able to see themselves represented on the page. That seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable form of localization.
I don't quite agree: Eurasia being a girl isn't relevant as much as Mickey's first impression of her as a "city-dwelling library mouse"
Quote:Also while you don't have to agree with equality being one of "lost explorers" themes your view on not changing art and dialoge isn't really valid since, so far, all the stories published by IDW feature modern coloring and localized dialog.
On top of that the explorers skin color doesn't really make the story worse in any way.
And I don't agree on that level of localization in first place.
Also, recolouring is one thing, changing characters' skin colour for the sake of politically correctness is another.
After all, if changing the character's race has no impact on the story, then there is no reason for changing it in first place.
Of course, I'm guessing they asked the original authors about the race-change and they were all "Sure, no problem. It's not like it has any relevance to the story whatsoever"
On the localization, I'm pretty sure lots of us would agree that we *want* carefully crafted English dialogue that adds funny references and jokes (after all, there are often jokes and references in the original script which do not translate) and that makes the story intelligible to a contemporary young American readership which is ignorant of the world of Disney comics. Nowadays, certainly, most Disney comics writers expect that their stories will be localized, and to a greater or lesser extent rewritten in the process.
On skin color, the only thing I'll say is that there is indeed at least one reason to change a character's skin color: when you expect that the readership will include people of various skin colors, you might want readers of all sorts to be able to see themselves represented on the page. That seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable form of localization.