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Topic: What Disney Comics do you want published in your home country?

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Steamboat Willie
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: cacouQuite more:
45,000 daily strips
10,000 sunday pages

So, at 3 rows (strips) per page, that would be 15,000 comics pages for the dailies, and 10,000 pages of Sundays. A total of 25,000 pages. i'd be happy with just 1929 through 1955 (end of the continuing story era).

It sounds lika lot.. but if we break the numbers down to actual publication...

Well.. with a larger format and 4 strips/page we are down to 11250 pages/2500 pages...
.. and with 5 strips/page (a little small/large, but just as a mind excercise) 9000/2000 pages... even though sundays are more of a three strip venue we have to make them six strips/page... rougly 1700 pages all in all...

My Barks collection are volumes with 4 rows/page and about 300 pages/volume.
That would mean 40 volumes... for the dailies in 4 strips/page format... and that's about the same amount of volumes the Carl Barks collected works in colour is in.

But that is a very large format and although the pages are excellent I think we can stick in with 5 strips/page there and six strips (two sundays) a page for sundays.. .and then we end up with: 30 (dailies) + approx. 6 (sundays) = 36 volumes!

36 volumes for the entire run! If the numbers are correct (and I assume they are) 36 volumes for the collected dailies and sundays isn't half as bad as I imagined. And if we stop at 1955 for DD and MM... Skip the Merry Menagerie (although I want them also) , Winnie the Pooh, Scamp and Gummi bears...

My bookshelf would survive that. It would actually be in the same range of pages as the Barks collection.
And even if the prices would be the same (about $200/3 volumes) I would buy it!

... and not to forget that we are living in the 21st century...
A black and white strip in high definition good nearly lossless format is about 500 kB (PNG, 300 dpi) and a sunday page in colour of about 2 MB.
Let's say that two daily strips make 1 MB just as an example.

That means 22.500 MB (dailies) and 10.000 MD (sundays) which is roughly 32 GB, or for simplicity, 50 CD-ROMS or about four or five DVD-roms of the double sided kind...

Mind you that this is for very high quality strips of nearly printing quality. If we go down to readily readable screen sizes we are down to 10 CD-roms or 1 DVD-rom. And I presume you can size the strips down even more if you use a more lossless format like Jpeg and not PNG as I was making my calculations on.

It's not impossible... the task isn't technically impossible. It's not impossible to sell I think... and it's not impossible to make room for them in a standard bookshelf between superman and the peanuts collection. (how many strips are peanuts by the way?).

I'm afraid I won't live to see such a collection anyway, but mostly because of political/corporate policies and bureaucracy, and of course the lack of buyers... :-) ... or perhaps the lack of good sellers is a better excuse, you can sell almost anything to fans with a half good sales pitch. :-) I know, I am one of those fans.
Pmspg
Quote from user: CacouQuite more:
45,000 daily strips
10,000 sunday pages

45,000 daily strips at 6 days x 52 weeks => 144 years
10,000 sunday pages at 52 sundays => 192 years

Cacou I think you're probably talking about all the strips.

Taliaferro daily strips are about 8,000 (from 1930-01 to 1955-10). In a big book, 8 strips per page, it's (only!) 1000 pages...
Robb_K
Quote from user: Steamboat WillieQuote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: cacouQuite more:
45,000 daily strips
10,000 sunday pages

So, at 3 rows (strips) per page, that would be 15,000 comics pages for the dailies, and 10,000 pages of Sundays. A total of 25,000 pages. i'd be happy with just 1929 through 1955 (end of the continuing story era).

It sounds lika lot.. but if we break the numbers down to actual publication...

Well.. with a larger format and 4 strips/page we are down to 11250 pages/2500 pages...
.. and with 5 strips/page (a little small/large, but just as a mind excercise) 9000/2000 pages... even though sundays are more of a three strip venue we have to make them six strips/page... rougly 1700 pages all in all...

My Barks collection are volumes with 4 rows/page and about 300 pages/volume.
That would mean 40 volumes... for the dailies in 4 strips/page format... and that's about the same amount of volumes the Carl Barks collected works in colour is in.

But that is a very large format and although the pages are excellent I think we can stick in with 5 strips/page there and six strips (two sundays) a page for sundays.. .and then we end up with: 30 (dailies) + approx. 6 (sundays) = 36 volumes!

36 volumes for the entire run! If the numbers are correct (and I assume they are) 36 volumes for the collected dailies and sundays isn't half as bad as I imagined. And if we stop at 1955 for DD and MM... Skip the Merry Menagerie (although I want them also) , Winnie the Pooh, Scamp and Gummi bears...

My bookshelf would survive that. It would actually be in the same range of pages as the Barks collection.
And even if the prices would be the same (about $200/3 volumes) I would buy it!

... and not to forget that we are living in the 21st century...
A black and white strip in high definition good nearly lossless format is about 500 kB (PNG, 300 dpi) and a sunday page in colour of about 2 MB.
Let's say that two daily strips make 1 MB just as an example.

That means 22.500 MB (dailies) and 10.000 MD (sundays) which is roughly 32 GB, or for simplicity, 50 CD-ROMS or about four or five DVD-roms of the double sided kind...

Mind you that this is for very high quality strips of nearly printing quality. If we go down to readily readable screen sizes we are down to 10 CD-roms or 1 DVD-rom. And I presume you can size the strips down even more if you use a more lossless format like Jpeg and not PNG as I was making my calculations on.

It's not impossible... the task isn't technically impossible. It's not impossible to sell I think... and it's not impossible to make room for them in a standard bookshelf between superman and the peanuts collection. (how many strips are peanuts by the way?).

I'm afraid I won't live to see such a collection anyway, but mostly because of political/corporate policies and bureaucracy, and of course the lack of buyers... :-) ... or perhaps the lack of good sellers is a better excuse, you can sell almost anything to fans with a half good sales pitch. :-) I know, I am one of those fans.

Who is going to re-format all those strips from 3-tier to 4 tier? And, do we really want an awful hatchet job done on them, to make it fit into 4-tier (a la Mondadori)? Better to have more pages with bigger panels (EVEN if it costs more)!!!
Steamboat Willie
Quote from user: Robb_KWho is going to re-format all those strips from 3-tier to 4 tier? And, do we really want an awful hatchet job done on them, to make it fit into 4-tier (a la Mondadori)? Better to have more pages with bigger panels (EVEN if it costs more)!!!
What? Reformat what? Dailies are 1 strip, no need to reformat them.

Sundays are already 3-row strips, no need to reformat them either.

Of course, why would anyone want any hatchet job, I don't understand, why do you see aneed to cut up the individual strips!!!?!

What do you mean?

And for the three or four strips/page.. Three strips/page and normal comic book format is much better than the normal publication for strips.
With a bigger than comic book format (like CBL) you cold fit up to six daily strips or two sundays a page and still get better results and larger panels than in a comic book or a newspaper.. (especially an american newspaper. How do you READ those small strips without a microscope?)
Robb_K
Quote from user: Steamboat WillieQuote from user: Robb_KWho is going to re-format all those strips from 3-tier to 4 tier? And, do we really want an awful hatchet job done on them, to make it fit into 4-tier (a la Mondadori)? Better to have more pages with bigger panels (EVEN if it costs more)!!!
What? Reformat what? Dailies are 1 strip, no need to reformat them.

Sundays are already 3-row strips, no need to reformat them either.

Of course, why would anyone want any hatchet job, I don't understand, why do you see aneed to cut up the individual strips!!!?!

What do you mean?

And for the three or four strips/page.. Three strips/page and normal comic book format is much better than the normal publication for strips.
With a bigger than comic book format (like CBL) you cold fit up to six daily strips or two sundays a page and still get better results and larger panels than in a comic book or a newspaper.. (especially an american newspaper. How do you READ those small strips without a microscope?)

I thought that when they want 4-tiers, the 4 panels per 4 tiers make the wrong length/width dimensions, that don't fit the normal comic book dimensions. But, in any case, I think they should keep 3 tiers and the same big size, as that is the size they were drawn for.

It is only that the other poster was calculating using 4-tiers to lower the page count. I don't see it as being a problem to have so many pages.
Steamboat Willie
Quote from user: Robb_K}I thought that when they want 4-tiers, the 4 panels per 4 tiers make the wrong length/width dimensions, that don't fit the normal comic book dimensions. But, in any case, I think they should keep 3 tiers and the same big size, as that is the size they were drawn for.

It is only that the other poster was calculating using 4-tiers to lower the page count. I don't see it as being a problem to have so many pages.

Normal Comic book dimensions? First of all, I didn't say it was necessary to make it in comic book dimensions. Secondly, you can make it comic book dimensions in landscapeand get a nice fit, and third, Gladstone printed ads in their own magazines with a strip at the bottom. A strip reduced to the width of a glad- or gemstone comic book is almost exactly the format they were once drawn for.

In the thirties, strips were printed larger. In the fifties through to the eighties they were printed in the sizes Gladstone did or Egmont does.
(i.e. one strip across a comic book width) and from the eighties (nineteen eighties that is) they shrunk considerably and the artwork did get somewhat simpler.

And then you talk about "they", "I thought they wanted..." Who are they?

Well.. if printed in books roughly CBL size, you could get four strips/page and they would still be larger than they were intended to be printed in the first place. And you could perhaps make the books in another format better suited for strips and sundays.

Bottom line is that a complete run of the Disney dailies would not be a huge mountain of books, but a quite feasible collection, and if one opted for a subset, say without Gummi Bears, Winnie the Pooh and Scamp... it wouldn't be too much. I think it could be sold. The Carl Barks Collections have sold in several editions and in several languages. If well.. say.. Gemstone or Egmont printed a run in english and sold them throughout Europe and the U.S. I think there would be enough interest for more than a break even print run.

I mean.. they print and sell the complete peanuts, the complete Hank Ketcham's Dennis the Menace, the complete Dick Tracy, etc... and although these are not of little interest, the Disney dailies and sundays have never been collected before and many have never even been reprinted and I can see a larger fanbase to sell such a collection too than at least Dennis and Dick Tracy. (Peanuts is harder to judge.. Every comic fan should want that collection).

The only ones I can remember is the Gottfredson portfolio and books that were a severly limited print run for a few connoisseurs and the Taliaferro books printed in Scandinavia and the Netherlands that collected just a few years of DD dailiy strips.

There is, and have never been a collection of Disney strips available to the public in english and the subset collections have never run it's entire course or have never been available for the normal fan. That is a shame.
Robb_K
Quote from user: Steamboat WillieQuote from user: Robb_K}I thought that when they want 4-tiers, the 4 panels per 4 tiers make the wrong length/width dimensions, that don't fit the normal comic book dimensions. But, in any case, I think they should keep 3 tiers and the same big size, as that is the size they were drawn for.

It is only that the other poster was calculating using 4-tiers to lower the page count. I don't see it as being a problem to have so many pages.

Normal Comic book dimensions? First of all, I didn't say it was necessary to make it in comic book dimensions. Secondly, you can make it comic book dimensions in landscapeand get a nice fit, and third, Gladstone printed ads in their own magazines with a strip at the bottom. A strip reduced to the width of a glad- or gemstone comic book is almost exactly the format they were once drawn for.

In the thirties, strips were printed larger. In the fifties through to the eighties they were printed in the sizes Gladstone did or Egmont does.
(i.e. one strip across a comic book width) and from the eighties (nineteen eighties that is) they shrunk considerably and the artwork did get somewhat simpler.

And then you talk about "they", "I thought they wanted..." Who are they?

Well.. if printed in books roughly CBL size, you could get four strips/page and they would still be larger than they were intended to be printed in the first place. And you could perhaps make the books in another format better suited for strips and sundays.

Bottom line is that a complete run of the Disney dailies would not be a huge mountain of books, but a quite feasible collection, and if one opted for a subset, say without Gummi Bears, Winnie the Pooh and Scamp... it wouldn't be too much. I think it could be sold. The Carl Barks Collections have sold in several editions and in several languages. If well.. say.. Gemstone or Egmont printed a run in english and sold them throughout Europe and the U.S. I think there would be enough interest for more than a break even print run.

I mean.. they print and sell the complete peanuts, the complete Hank Ketcham's Dennis the Menace, the complete Dick Tracy, etc... and although these are not of little interest, the Disney dailies and sundays have never been collected before and many have never even been reprinted and I can see a larger fanbase to sell such a collection too than at least Dennis and Dick Tracy. (Peanuts is harder to judge.. Every comic fan should want that collection).

The only ones I can remember is the Gottfredson portfolio and books that were a severly limited print run for a few connoisseurs and the Taliaferro books printed in Scandinavia and the Netherlands that collected just a few years of DD dailiy strips.

There is, and have never been a collection of Disney strips available to the public in english and the subset collections have never run it's entire course or have never been available for the normal fan. That is a shame.

I agree. And I would certainly buy such a collection, regardless of whether it would have 3-tier or 4-tier pages, and how many total pages would result.
Anemo
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: AnemoWell, I'd be glad if we have a Disney Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck comic published here.
Unfortunately, I don't believe there's enough market to warrant it. They were selling barely 5,000 from mail order and 5,000 at newstands of ther BEST selling magazines. I'm not even sure "Uncle Scrooge" and "Walt Disney's Comics and Stories" are selling that much. That is extremely poor for a nation of approximately 300 million people. How many people does Canada have now? - 35 million? Much as I hate to admit it, Canada has a culture similar enough to that of the USA, that a similar sales per population figure would be likely, without a better marketing system than is used in USA. That would result in sales (1,050) too low to cover administration costs for a publisher. It's a lot easier to just import US English issues, and French issues than to have a local publisher.

We didn't have a Canadian publisher when they were selling 3 million "Walt Disney's Comics and Stories" every month in USA, and every Canadian kid I knew was reading comics! Why should they have one now, when almost no kids in a country of 300 million are buying them? They sold the US Disney comics in drugstores and grocerystores in Canada when I was a child, just as they did then in USA. Now they are sold in USA and in Canada only in Comic Book specialty shops, and can be bought online or by mail directly from Gemstone (just as from USA)-as long as one changes money to US Dollars (lousy deal!).

Unfortunately, with global warming to get worse and worse, and deserts spreading into the heart of USA, a lot of people will be moving north to Canada. And then, there might be enough market to warrent a Canadian publisher. But, let's just hope people will still be reading Disney, and more importantly, that Canada will remain Canada, and not get taken over by The USA!

You're right, Robb_K. They use to publish a Mickey Mouse magazine which featured both Disney comics stories and editorials. It got cancelled due to poor sales. There are still some comics published in Malaysia. Notably, komik Donald Duck and Taman Ria Disney, published in Bahasa Malaysia language. I dont have much info about it though. I just got to know about title that was cancelled. It was an exact copy of Donald Duck Adventures as published by Disney Comics in the United States back in 1990. On the cover is a red band that says "Malaysian Edition".
Gyro Gearloose
I'd like to see a complete Floyd Gottfredson Library published here in the United States--in installments, since I wouldn't be able to buy it all in one lump.
Robb_K
Quote from user: Gyro GearlooseI'd like to see a complete Floyd Gottfredson Library published here in the United States--in installments, since I wouldn't be able to buy it all in one lump.
Yes! Anything! Even just soft cover! Before I die (and with enough time left for me to read it all at least once)! Or a Dutch one, for that matter! Or even Spanish!
Mexican Fan
i wanna life and times and PAPERINIK IL DIABOLICO VENDICATORE (PHANTOM DUCK THE DEVILISH AVENGER)
but i can go to USA,i live in the frontera(mexicali)
Robb_K
Does Calexico have a comics shop? Or must you go to San Diego?
Mexican Fan
Quote from user: Robb_KDoes Calexico have a comics shop? Or must you go to San Diego?
i cant go to San Diego,but i found a comics shop in El Centro
Robb_K
Quote from user: AnemoWell, I'd be glad if we have a Disney Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck comic published here.
What country is "SGP" (that has no Disney Comics)?
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