There were a number of differences between DuckTales and the Barks comics... but if I look at them in the context of what had to be done to make DuckTales work as a mid-1980s half-hour animated children's adventure series, I think Disney did a very, very good job. Mike, you should be proud of what you and your colleagues accomplished. Give yourself a pat on the back. :)
We were talking about whether DuckTales has had any lasting impact... Launchpad McQuack was established so well that lots of casual comic readers I've talked to believe he was a Duck comics character before he appeared in DuckTales. If the public believes Launchpad has always been part of the Duck universe it's a pretty strong indication he has made it as a permanent member of the Disney Duck pantheon, next to Donald, Daisy, Ludwig etc. (Of course, Launchpad having also been in Darkwing Duck helps.)
A question for Mike: did the DuckTales crew ever consider using comics characters not worked on by Barks (such as Brigitta MacBridge)?
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Topic: DuckTales 25th Anniversary
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Lars Jensen
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 16 -
2012-07-08 at 12:09:36
Tightwad
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 17 -
2012-07-08 at 12:41:17
Well, there are plenty of Ducktales references in popular culture. And it does hold up better more than most 'nostalgic' shows.
I'd say that it has had quite the lasting effect. More so in the US than Europe, but still.
I'd say that it has had quite the lasting effect. More so in the US than Europe, but still.
Arnaud
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 18 -
2012-07-08 at 13:29:23
Quote from user: Lars JensenA question for Mike: did the DuckTales crew ever consider using comics characters not worked on by Barks (such as Brigitta MacBridge)?
Reminds me that Romano Scarpa did a test on Ducktales : http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1092337676743
Reminds me that Romano Scarpa did a test on Ducktales : http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1092337676743
Kimba_1962
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 19 -
2012-07-08 at 23:55:08
Quote from user: Lars JensenThere were a number of differences between DuckTales and the Barks comics... but if I look at them in the context of what had to be done to make DuckTales work as a mid-1980s half-hour animated children's adventure series, I think Disney did a very, very good job. Mike, you should be proud of what you and your colleagues accomplished. Give yourself a pat on the back. :)
I think that Lars sums things up quite well here. Is DT a completely satisfying substitute for the comics themselves, in all their variegated splendor? No. Is it a valuable, and appreciated, contribution to Duck-lore in general? Certainly, yes.
Quote from user: TightwadWell, there are plenty of Ducktales references in popular culture.
Just ran across this one the other day: http://ducktaleskitchen.com/
Check the spelling in the title!
I think that Lars sums things up quite well here. Is DT a completely satisfying substitute for the comics themselves, in all their variegated splendor? No. Is it a valuable, and appreciated, contribution to Duck-lore in general? Certainly, yes.
Quote from user: TightwadWell, there are plenty of Ducktales references in popular culture.
Just ran across this one the other day: http://ducktaleskitchen.com/
Check the spelling in the title!
Debbie
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 20 -
2012-07-09 at 00:48:46
Quote from user: Lars Jensen...did the DuckTales crew ever consider using comics characters not worked on by Barks (such as Brigitta MacBridge)?
They did use a few:
The Phantom Blot
In "The Pearl of Wisdom", Pete's (Sharkey in this episode) henchman resembles Pete's generic henchman in many Paul Murry stories
Ludwig Von Drake (although Barks did draw Von Drake once in a gag page, he didn't make extensive use of the character.)
The Beagle Brats
In some of the episodes, a few of the secondary dogface characters have a Paul Murry-ish look to them as well.
They did use a few:
The Phantom Blot
In "The Pearl of Wisdom", Pete's (Sharkey in this episode) henchman resembles Pete's generic henchman in many Paul Murry stories
Ludwig Von Drake (although Barks did draw Von Drake once in a gag page, he didn't make extensive use of the character.)
The Beagle Brats
In some of the episodes, a few of the secondary dogface characters have a Paul Murry-ish look to them as well.
Tightwad
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 21 -
2012-07-09 at 00:55:35
Quote from user: kimba_1962Just ran across this one the other day: http://ducktaleskitchen.com/
Check the spelling in the title!
Haha. I'm almost convinced that the main component of that cheeseburger is duck meat. :P
Check the spelling in the title!
Haha. I'm almost convinced that the main component of that cheeseburger is duck meat. :P
Lars Jensen
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 22 -
2012-07-09 at 09:33:28
Quote from user: DebbieQuote from user: Lars Jensen...did the DuckTales crew ever consider using comics characters not worked on by Barks (such as Brigitta MacBridge)?
They did use a few:
The Phantom Blot
In "The Pearl of Wisdom", Pete's (Sharkey in this episode) henchman resembles Pete's generic henchman in many Paul Murry stories
Ludwig Von Drake (although Barks did draw Von Drake once in a gag page, he didn't make extensive use of the character.)
The Beagle Brats
Oops, you're right. I'd completely forgotten about those appearances. Forgetting the Blot one is especially shameful.
The Beagle Brats showed up in "Take Me Out of the Ballgame", right? (Don't tell me I'm wrong on that one as well :) .)
They did use a few:
The Phantom Blot
In "The Pearl of Wisdom", Pete's (Sharkey in this episode) henchman resembles Pete's generic henchman in many Paul Murry stories
Ludwig Von Drake (although Barks did draw Von Drake once in a gag page, he didn't make extensive use of the character.)
The Beagle Brats
Oops, you're right. I'd completely forgotten about those appearances. Forgetting the Blot one is especially shameful.
The Beagle Brats showed up in "Take Me Out of the Ballgame", right? (Don't tell me I'm wrong on that one as well :) .)
Baar Baar Jinx
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 23 -
2012-07-09 at 14:37:14
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: DebbieQuote from user: Lars Jensen...did the DuckTales crew ever consider using comics characters not worked on by Barks (such as Brigitta MacBridge)?
They did use a few:
The Phantom Blot
In "The Pearl of Wisdom", Pete's (Sharkey in this episode) henchman resembles Pete's generic henchman in many Paul Murry stories
Ludwig Von Drake (although Barks did draw Von Drake once in a gag page, he didn't make extensive use of the character.)
The Beagle Brats
Oops, you're right. I'd completely forgotten about those appearances. Forgetting the Blot one is especially shameful.
The Beagle Brats showed up in "Take Me Out of the Ballgame", right? (Don't tell me I'm wrong on that one as well :) .)
What about (in my opinion, the most glaring omission,) Grandma Duck? Was there ever a plan to use her in DuckTales?
They did use a few:
The Phantom Blot
In "The Pearl of Wisdom", Pete's (Sharkey in this episode) henchman resembles Pete's generic henchman in many Paul Murry stories
Ludwig Von Drake (although Barks did draw Von Drake once in a gag page, he didn't make extensive use of the character.)
The Beagle Brats
Oops, you're right. I'd completely forgotten about those appearances. Forgetting the Blot one is especially shameful.
The Beagle Brats showed up in "Take Me Out of the Ballgame", right? (Don't tell me I'm wrong on that one as well :) .)
What about (in my opinion, the most glaring omission,) Grandma Duck? Was there ever a plan to use her in DuckTales?
Debbie
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 24 -
2012-07-09 at 16:15:50
Quote from user: Lars JensenThe Beagle Brats showed up in "Take Me Out of the Ballgame", right? (Don't tell me I'm wrong on that one as well :) .)
You are 100% correct on that one. That was their only DuckTales appearance. (I cheated, I looked that up on the DVD...).
I would imagine that the DuckTales crew wouldn't have used Grandma Duck as they already had a grandmotherly figure in Mrs. Beakley.
You are 100% correct on that one. That was their only DuckTales appearance. (I cheated, I looked that up on the DVD...).
I would imagine that the DuckTales crew wouldn't have used Grandma Duck as they already had a grandmotherly figure in Mrs. Beakley.
Baar Baar Jinx
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 25 -
2012-07-09 at 16:59:10
Quote from user: DebbieI would imagine that the DuckTales crew wouldn't have used Grandma Duck as they already had a grandmotherly figure in Mrs. Beakley.
I would argue they are very different characters. Grandma has a frontiersman background, and is ruggedly independent. She lives on a farm, and several episodes could have sprung out of that. Plus, she is actually related to Scrooge (through marriage) and the boys. I think not using her was an opportunity lost. She also could have had a huge role on "Quack Pack", where there was no Mrs. Beakly (although I understand the tone of that show was very different from DuckTales).
I would argue they are very different characters. Grandma has a frontiersman background, and is ruggedly independent. She lives on a farm, and several episodes could have sprung out of that. Plus, she is actually related to Scrooge (through marriage) and the boys. I think not using her was an opportunity lost. She also could have had a huge role on "Quack Pack", where there was no Mrs. Beakly (although I understand the tone of that show was very different from DuckTales).
Lars Jensen
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 26 -
2012-07-09 at 18:01:16
Quote from user: Baar Baar Jinx[Grandma Duck] is actually related to Scrooge (through marriage)
Are there any pre-Don Rosa sources for that? Remember, DuckTales came out before Rosa.
The problem with having Grandma in the DuckTales universe is this: since Scrooge in episode 1 was so unwilling to look after Huey, Dewey and Louie... why didn't Donald instead bring them to Grandma Duck? (The answer is of course that then there wouldn't have been a TV show.)
Having Grandma not be a major presence in the DuckTales series removes that problem.
Are there any pre-Don Rosa sources for that? Remember, DuckTales came out before Rosa.
The problem with having Grandma in the DuckTales universe is this: since Scrooge in episode 1 was so unwilling to look after Huey, Dewey and Louie... why didn't Donald instead bring them to Grandma Duck? (The answer is of course that then there wouldn't have been a TV show.)
Having Grandma not be a major presence in the DuckTales series removes that problem.
Debbie
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 27 -
2012-07-09 at 18:20:22
I think that the dated aspects of Grandma Duck's personality also would have kept her out of DuckTales. Even more so than Uncle Scrooge, Grandma is a throwback to another era, and always has been since she was introduced. Many of the changes made in DuckTales were done to try to give Barks' Duckburg a contemporary (circa 1987) feel, and apparently the writers felt that the show still needed updating despite being a hit when they opened with a time-traveling miniseries introducing Bubba and another serial introducing Fenton Crackshell and his robotic Superhero alterego, Gizmoduck (keeping up with Back to the Future and Robocop), so I can see why they'd be hesitant to include a Victorian era Grandma. Although I will give them credit for keeping Scrooge's Klondike gold rush days and his old flame Glittering Goldie as a part of his history, rather than omitting an important part of his life.
Or maybe there is an even easier answer...who else besides the most avid comics fans (like myself) remembers Grandma Duck? I think the DuckTales staff can be forgiven for not remembering her.
Or maybe there is an even easier answer...who else besides the most avid comics fans (like myself) remembers Grandma Duck? I think the DuckTales staff can be forgiven for not remembering her.
Roger North
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 28 -
2012-07-09 at 19:20:28
I think Grandma was mentioned in one Quack Pack episode where Donald reverts to being a Teenager. Sadly Scrooge was never mentioned on that show.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 29 -
2012-07-09 at 20:19:41
Quote from user: MatildaDuckTales is the fiction produced in a fictional world! You can enjoy it and be amused by its inaccuracies, in the same way that you can imagine the ducks themselves enjoying it and being amused/irritated by its departure from Barksian "real life."
And Donald being angry because he doesn't get to be in the show that often. Say, that almost sounds like a normal Duck comic. You know, one of those mid-90s Vicars. Donald gets his own TV show, and then doesn't appear in it himself. Real!Donald throws a fit, people think he's cosplaying as Fake!Donald (and being bad at that), HDL becoming famous, Scrooge not wanting to can the show because he makes money of it, the Beagle Boys being recognised in public, and people pointing out differences between the shows as being wrong in Real!Duckburg. "Hey Glomgold, why'd you move to South Africa?"
And Grandma was as far as I know used twice in Disney animation. She and Gus Goose had a cameo in the Fezziwig sequence in Mickey's Christmas Carol, and a Grandma-like character had a cameo in SportGoofy. (She appears right after Scrooge is scared through the roof sfter he learns he just gave away $1 million.)
And Donald being angry because he doesn't get to be in the show that often. Say, that almost sounds like a normal Duck comic. You know, one of those mid-90s Vicars. Donald gets his own TV show, and then doesn't appear in it himself. Real!Donald throws a fit, people think he's cosplaying as Fake!Donald (and being bad at that), HDL becoming famous, Scrooge not wanting to can the show because he makes money of it, the Beagle Boys being recognised in public, and people pointing out differences between the shows as being wrong in Real!Duckburg. "Hey Glomgold, why'd you move to South Africa?"
And Grandma was as far as I know used twice in Disney animation. She and Gus Goose had a cameo in the Fezziwig sequence in Mickey's Christmas Carol, and a Grandma-like character had a cameo in SportGoofy. (She appears right after Scrooge is scared through the roof sfter he learns he just gave away $1 million.)
Lars Jensen
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 30 -
2012-07-09 at 20:37:25
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderAnd Grandma was as far as I know used twice in Disney animation. She and Gus Goose had a cameo in the Fezziwig sequence in Mickey's Christmas Carol, and a Grandma-like character had a cameo in SportGoofy. (She appears right after Scrooge is scared through the roof sfter he learns he just gave away $1 million.)
I might be wrong (sigh!), but... I have a vague recollection of Grandma making a cameo in either "Horse Scents" or "Take Me Out of the Ballgame".
I might be wrong (sigh!), but... I have a vague recollection of Grandma making a cameo in either "Horse Scents" or "Take Me Out of the Ballgame".