Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Baar Baar Jinx[Grandma Duck] is actually related to Scrooge (through marriage)
Are there any pre-Don Rosa sources for that? Remember, DuckTales came out before Rosa.
Good point. Barks' family tree? But it really would be unfair to expect DuckTales writers to be aware of that.
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderAnd Grandma was as far as I know used twice in Disney animation. She and Gus Goose had a cameo in the Fezziwig sequence in Mickey's Christmas Carol, and a Grandma-like character had a cameo in SportGoofy. (She appears right after Scrooge is scared through the roof sfter he learns he just gave away $1 million.)
She also appeared in "This is Your Life, Donald Duck", voiced by June Foray, where it was implied that she had raised Donald (although there was no new animation to depict that).
As for the Soccermania cameo, if that was meant to be her, the animators did an awful job of depicting her likeness. That character looks nothing like Grandma Duck. She looked just like she does in the comics in "Mickey's Christmas Carol" a few years earlier. Considering how Barksian Scrooge, Gyro and the Beagles look in that show, I have a hard time believing that was meant to be her.
Quote from user: DebbieOr maybe there is an even easier answer...who else besides the most avid comics fans (like myself) remembers Grandma Duck? I think the DuckTales staff can be forgiven for not remembering her.
Barks used Grandma a lot. I can't believe the writers were unaware of her.
Quote from user: Lars JensenI might be wrong (sigh!), but... I have a vague recollection of Grandma making a cameo in either "Horse Scents" or "Take Me Out of the Ballgame".
The former, I believe. I've looked everywhere for a screenshot. Does anyone have one?
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Topic: DuckTales 25th Anniversary
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Baar Baar Jinx
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 31 -
2012-07-09 at 23:40:17
Robb_K
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 32 -
2012-07-10 at 01:24:38
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxShe also appeared in "This is Your Life, Donald Duck", voiced by June Foray, where it was implied that she had raised Donald (although there was no new animation to depict that).
It was implied (and actually showed her at work) that Grandma raised Donald in the "This is Your Life, Donald Duck" comic book, drawn by Tony Strobl. That was also shown in Marco Rota's Italian story for Donald's (50th?) birthday.
It was implied (and actually showed her at work) that Grandma raised Donald in the "This is Your Life, Donald Duck" comic book, drawn by Tony Strobl. That was also shown in Marco Rota's Italian story for Donald's (50th?) birthday.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 33 -
2012-07-10 at 13:37:50
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: Baar Baar JinxShe also appeared in "This is Your Life, Donald Duck", voiced by June Foray, where it was implied that she had raised Donald (although there was no new animation to depict that).
It was implied (and actually showed her at work) that Grandma raised Donald in the "This is Your Life, Donald Duck" comic book, drawn by Tony Strobl. That was also shown in Marco Rota's Italian story for Donald's (50th?) birthday.
It is shown that Grandma raised Donald in the Italian "Paperino Paperotto" (L'il Donny Duck) stories. As a kid, he lives with her on a farm in Quack Town, a small town not far from Duckburg.
http://coa.inducks.org/universe.php?c=Paperino+Paperotto
Funny stories, with completely new characters. The only 'old' characters are Donald, Grandma and occasionally Scrooge and young Gladstone.
It was implied (and actually showed her at work) that Grandma raised Donald in the "This is Your Life, Donald Duck" comic book, drawn by Tony Strobl. That was also shown in Marco Rota's Italian story for Donald's (50th?) birthday.
It is shown that Grandma raised Donald in the Italian "Paperino Paperotto" (L'il Donny Duck) stories. As a kid, he lives with her on a farm in Quack Town, a small town not far from Duckburg.
http://coa.inducks.org/universe.php?c=Paperino+Paperotto
Funny stories, with completely new characters. The only 'old' characters are Donald, Grandma and occasionally Scrooge and young Gladstone.
Kimba_1962
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 34 -
2012-07-10 at 14:51:30
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderAnd Grandma was as far as I know used twice in Disney animation. She and Gus Goose had a cameo in the Fezziwig sequence in Mickey's Christmas Carol, and a Grandma-like character had a cameo in SportGoofy. (She appears right after Scrooge is scared through the roof sfter he learns he just gave away $1 million.)
I might be wrong (sigh!), but... I have a vague recollection of Grandma making a cameo in either "Horse Scents" or "Take Me Out of the Ballgame".
You can see a Grandma-like character in the stands in "Ball Game," but I wouldn't be willing to bet that that WAS Grandma. I think you're on safer ground in assuming that the old lady duck in "Sport Goofy in Soccermania" was supposed to be Grandma, for two reasons:
(1) She appears immediately after Gyro and Helper make their cameo;
(2) Really, given the fact that she was given a whole (brief) scene to herself, who else could it BE but Grandma? (Though there's certainly nothing Grandma-distinctive about the characterization... I think that DT would have needed to devote a whole episode or two to introducing Grandma in order to include that.)
I might be wrong (sigh!), but... I have a vague recollection of Grandma making a cameo in either "Horse Scents" or "Take Me Out of the Ballgame".
You can see a Grandma-like character in the stands in "Ball Game," but I wouldn't be willing to bet that that WAS Grandma. I think you're on safer ground in assuming that the old lady duck in "Sport Goofy in Soccermania" was supposed to be Grandma, for two reasons:
(1) She appears immediately after Gyro and Helper make their cameo;
(2) Really, given the fact that she was given a whole (brief) scene to herself, who else could it BE but Grandma? (Though there's certainly nothing Grandma-distinctive about the characterization... I think that DT would have needed to devote a whole episode or two to introducing Grandma in order to include that.)
Roger North
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 35 -
2012-07-11 at 02:24:11
Grandma did make a cameo appearance in the Duck Tales episode Horse Sense where she appears as a spectator but she doesn't have a speaking role.
Ramapith
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 36 -
2012-07-11 at 03:59:15
Here is the Disney TV show episode Baar Baar mentioned. You can see (and hear) lots of Grandma at 1:55.
And here's a link to a Russian dub of HORSE SCENTS. You can see Grandma at 16:29. (Then you can go buy the authorized release in English. Thank you, and goodnight.)
[Update: I initially missed Baar Baar's mention of the Disney TV show, and acted like I was first with the info. I'm losing it.]
And here's a link to a Russian dub of HORSE SCENTS. You can see Grandma at 16:29. (Then you can go buy the authorized release in English. Thank you, and goodnight.)
[Update: I initially missed Baar Baar's mention of the Disney TV show, and acted like I was first with the info. I'm losing it.]
Ryan_Wynns
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 37 -
2012-07-11 at 05:09:16
Quote from user: ramapithHere is the Disney TV show episode Baar Baar mentioned. You can see (and hear) lots of Grandma at 1:55.
Wow, thank you for posting that and point it out, David ... I had NO idea that Grandma Duck had ever been animated! Besides that she's decidedly more fawning than her wisened comics counterpart, her voice isn't as coarse and toughened as I'd always imagined it to be ... but by and large, it really works! (And if I'm not mistaken, that's June Foray, right?)
Quote:And here's a link to a Russian dub of HORSE SCENTS. You can see Grandma at 16:29. (Then you can go buy the authorized release in English. Thank you, and goodnight.)
While it can't be proven that that's NOT Grandma, it strikes me more as the <i>DuckTales</i> crew looking at the comics they had on hand for reference and using Grandma's visage for a background character...but who knows what they had in mind...
-- Ryan
Wow, thank you for posting that and point it out, David ... I had NO idea that Grandma Duck had ever been animated! Besides that she's decidedly more fawning than her wisened comics counterpart, her voice isn't as coarse and toughened as I'd always imagined it to be ... but by and large, it really works! (And if I'm not mistaken, that's June Foray, right?)
Quote:And here's a link to a Russian dub of HORSE SCENTS. You can see Grandma at 16:29. (Then you can go buy the authorized release in English. Thank you, and goodnight.)
While it can't be proven that that's NOT Grandma, it strikes me more as the <i>DuckTales</i> crew looking at the comics they had on hand for reference and using Grandma's visage for a background character...but who knows what they had in mind...
-- Ryan
Ryan_Wynns
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 38 -
2012-07-11 at 05:22:22
Quote from user: GeoXI've said this before, but I think the problem with Ducktales is not that it made alterations to Barks for the change in medium--that was inevitable--but that it changed the tone, to something that, in spite of the initial inspiration, is less Barks and more the sort of careless, juvenile stuff that Western was putting out in the seventies. This is hardly a blanket condemnation; there are some good Ducktales episodes, and a few that are truly exceptional. But to the extent that the show failed to live up to its promise--which I think, ultimately, it kinda did--it's because of this.
...woah, I'm gonna have to take exception here, Geo...I would say that though the show had its bad episodes, at its best, it's WAY out of `70's Western's league! Of course, having grown up on the show, I'm partial to it... But still, by the time I was 10, I'd scrounged up some `70's Whitman back issues, and was of the cognizantly-formed opinion that they were junk...and Barks, Rosa, AND DuckTales were the standards I was holding them to. But had I grown up on Barks, and a potpourri of international Duck comics, and DuckTales were to come around during my adulthood, I very well may not take kindly to it ... so as we've both acknowledge there's good and bad episodes, my inclination, our quite different backgrounds incline us to see the series defined by the opposite of what the other does. :)
-- Ryan
...woah, I'm gonna have to take exception here, Geo...I would say that though the show had its bad episodes, at its best, it's WAY out of `70's Western's league! Of course, having grown up on the show, I'm partial to it... But still, by the time I was 10, I'd scrounged up some `70's Whitman back issues, and was of the cognizantly-formed opinion that they were junk...and Barks, Rosa, AND DuckTales were the standards I was holding them to. But had I grown up on Barks, and a potpourri of international Duck comics, and DuckTales were to come around during my adulthood, I very well may not take kindly to it ... so as we've both acknowledge there's good and bad episodes, my inclination, our quite different backgrounds incline us to see the series defined by the opposite of what the other does. :)
-- Ryan
Ramapith
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 39 -
2012-07-11 at 05:37:51
I think they legitimately had Grandma Duck on their mind, Ryan. At the time of DuckTales' development, Grandma??specifically, this model of Grandma??was still a part of the basic Disney Standard Characters styleguide; Grandma was still a fairly regular character in the Donald Duck newspaper strip; and Disney was actively producing new Grandma comic book stories as part of its S-coded comics production.
In the early 1990s, Walt Disney World had a "Grandma Duck's Farm" attraction in their Mickey's Starland area, though it's long since a thing of the past. (Here's part of an old brochure, themed like a storybook for kids.)
From today's vantage point, it's often easy to forget how extensively the Duck "supporting cast" was marketed in the years before DuckTales.
In the early 1990s, Walt Disney World had a "Grandma Duck's Farm" attraction in their Mickey's Starland area, though it's long since a thing of the past. (Here's part of an old brochure, themed like a storybook for kids.)
From today's vantage point, it's often easy to forget how extensively the Duck "supporting cast" was marketed in the years before DuckTales.
Ryan_Wynns
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 40 -
2012-07-11 at 05:59:01
David, if I'd asked, "What makes you state definitively that that'ss Grandma Duck?", I couldn't have gotten a more informative, eye-opening, Jedi Master answer! You're right on target...as DuckTales premiered when I was 5, I have virtually NO perspective of "how extensively the Duck 'supporting cast' was marketed in the years before DuckTales". That there ever has been a "Disney Standard Characters styleguide" is to me a revelation.
Thank you for linking to the brochure scan -- it's historically interesting, definitely giving insight as to Grandma being considered canon by Disney at large (as opposed to just in the comics). In December 1989, while I was in second grade, my parents took my sister and I on our first (of, ultimately, two) family vacation to Walt Disney World ... at that point, what would soon become Mickey's Starland was still Mickey's Birthdayland. Just seeing what wasn't much more than a cardboard cutout (okay, I'm exaggerating ... it was closer to plywood ...) of Scrooge's mansion was exciting... ("Hey, they were thinking of ME...!")
Thank you for linking to the brochure scan -- it's historically interesting, definitely giving insight as to Grandma being considered canon by Disney at large (as opposed to just in the comics). In December 1989, while I was in second grade, my parents took my sister and I on our first (of, ultimately, two) family vacation to Walt Disney World ... at that point, what would soon become Mickey's Starland was still Mickey's Birthdayland. Just seeing what wasn't much more than a cardboard cutout (okay, I'm exaggerating ... it was closer to plywood ...) of Scrooge's mansion was exciting... ("Hey, they were thinking of ME...!")
Lars Jensen
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 41 -
2012-07-11 at 10:31:03
Quote from user: ramapithAnd here's a link to a Russian dub of HORSE SCENTS. You can see Grandma at 16:29.
The cap-wearing pig seated to the left of Grandma, three people down... Is that Peter Pig?
The cap-wearing pig seated to the left of Grandma, three people down... Is that Peter Pig?
JLG
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 42 -
2012-07-14 at 03:26:21
I just want to chime in here on the original topic before it drifted off to Grandma, since the "compatibility" issue has always interested me a lot.
I've always felt that the DuckTales and Barks universes can pretty easily be combined using the principle of Broad Brushtrokes, as TVTropes.org puts it. I don't think there's any reason that both "versions" of the Duck world coudn't exist in one, "combo" universe, as long as things are kept broad and not too focused on specific details (like the Money Bin looking different). In my mind, DuckTales took place in a world where the Barks/Rosa stories all happened, and where Scrooge taking the boys in represented a family reconciliation after a brief but acrimonious falling out (thus his initial reluctance to take them in). Anything that contradicts that, as the direct Barks adaptation episodes do, I just write off as, itself, tangential alternate realities. The Barks stories took place when they were written, and Ducktales takes place in the late 1980s. As long as the non-aging thing doesn't bother anyone (which it really shouldn't, since it's taken for granted in so many other contexts), that explanation works fine as far as I can see.
The unique Beagle Boys of DuckTales? Well, the Beagles are a pretty large family, aren't they? Perfectly possible we just never happened to focus on those particular individuals before that point. Launchpad? Well, wasn't it Joe Torcivia who doped out some kind of timeline for when Scrooge initially hired him---sometime in the early 1970s, after the Barksian era was over?
(Duckworth, I admit, does complicate matters. Where did he come from, and then where did he go?)
Ironically what really gets in the way for me is the recent DuckTales revival comic (which I haven't read yet but heard was pretty bad), since I had always figured that DuckTales as a scenario ended in 1995, the last year any new DuckTales material appeared in print until just now. To my mind, after that was when Donald was finally discharged from the Navy, the boys moved back home, and Mrs. Beakley's services were no longer needed.
(Quack Pack? Now THAT'S an alternate universe if there ever was one. I ignore it completely. Always did, from the second I first saw it 15 years ago.)
I've always felt that the DuckTales and Barks universes can pretty easily be combined using the principle of Broad Brushtrokes, as TVTropes.org puts it. I don't think there's any reason that both "versions" of the Duck world coudn't exist in one, "combo" universe, as long as things are kept broad and not too focused on specific details (like the Money Bin looking different). In my mind, DuckTales took place in a world where the Barks/Rosa stories all happened, and where Scrooge taking the boys in represented a family reconciliation after a brief but acrimonious falling out (thus his initial reluctance to take them in). Anything that contradicts that, as the direct Barks adaptation episodes do, I just write off as, itself, tangential alternate realities. The Barks stories took place when they were written, and Ducktales takes place in the late 1980s. As long as the non-aging thing doesn't bother anyone (which it really shouldn't, since it's taken for granted in so many other contexts), that explanation works fine as far as I can see.
The unique Beagle Boys of DuckTales? Well, the Beagles are a pretty large family, aren't they? Perfectly possible we just never happened to focus on those particular individuals before that point. Launchpad? Well, wasn't it Joe Torcivia who doped out some kind of timeline for when Scrooge initially hired him---sometime in the early 1970s, after the Barksian era was over?
(Duckworth, I admit, does complicate matters. Where did he come from, and then where did he go?)
Ironically what really gets in the way for me is the recent DuckTales revival comic (which I haven't read yet but heard was pretty bad), since I had always figured that DuckTales as a scenario ended in 1995, the last year any new DuckTales material appeared in print until just now. To my mind, after that was when Donald was finally discharged from the Navy, the boys moved back home, and Mrs. Beakley's services were no longer needed.
(Quack Pack? Now THAT'S an alternate universe if there ever was one. I ignore it completely. Always did, from the second I first saw it 15 years ago.)
GeoX
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 43 -
2012-07-14 at 04:14:20
Quote:as long as things are kept broad and not too focused on specific details
Maybe it's just 'cause I'm drunk, but I feel like the "specific details" are rather to the point here. As you have ably demonstrated, it is necessary to explain away a HELL of a lot to have that work. And when you start waving away SOME contradictions by explaining that those things, unlike all the OTHER ones, those ARE alternate realities...? My head hurts.
Maybe it's just 'cause I'm drunk, but I feel like the "specific details" are rather to the point here. As you have ably demonstrated, it is necessary to explain away a HELL of a lot to have that work. And when you start waving away SOME contradictions by explaining that those things, unlike all the OTHER ones, those ARE alternate realities...? My head hurts.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 44 -
2012-07-14 at 10:41:56
Quote from user: GeoXQuote:as long as things are kept broad and not too focused on specific details
Maybe it's just 'cause I'm drunk, but I feel like the "specific details" are rather to the point here. As you have ably demonstrated, it is necessary to explain away a HELL of a lot to have that work. And when you start waving away SOME contradictions by explaining that those things, unlike all the OTHER ones, those ARE alternate realities...? My head hurts.
Continuity is a strange thing. And with such a long running series as Disney comics, you can't make everything work. (Remember, Donald Duck is a World War II veteran. Try explaining that.) Basically, everything is compatible into one universe, as long as you don't start digging too deep. Donald may have served in the navy in 1987, but Flintheart Glomgold may not have lived in Duckburg at the time. It's confusing, but as long as you look at it on a basic level, it makes sense. If you can't live with that theory, then DuckTales is a parallel universe or something.
DuckTales question: If Donald joined the navy, the nephews go to their closest living relatives. Isn't that their parents? Of course we don't know what happened to them, so they may not be able to take care of their kids anymore. But aren't their any other relatives other than Scrooge? I don't know much about this, but could they have moved in with Gladstone or Fethry? Or Grandma?
Maybe it's just 'cause I'm drunk, but I feel like the "specific details" are rather to the point here. As you have ably demonstrated, it is necessary to explain away a HELL of a lot to have that work. And when you start waving away SOME contradictions by explaining that those things, unlike all the OTHER ones, those ARE alternate realities...? My head hurts.
Continuity is a strange thing. And with such a long running series as Disney comics, you can't make everything work. (Remember, Donald Duck is a World War II veteran. Try explaining that.) Basically, everything is compatible into one universe, as long as you don't start digging too deep. Donald may have served in the navy in 1987, but Flintheart Glomgold may not have lived in Duckburg at the time. It's confusing, but as long as you look at it on a basic level, it makes sense. If you can't live with that theory, then DuckTales is a parallel universe or something.
DuckTales question: If Donald joined the navy, the nephews go to their closest living relatives. Isn't that their parents? Of course we don't know what happened to them, so they may not be able to take care of their kids anymore. But aren't their any other relatives other than Scrooge? I don't know much about this, but could they have moved in with Gladstone or Fethry? Or Grandma?
Lars Jensen
DuckTales 25th Anniversary
Message 45 -
2012-07-14 at 11:09:21
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderDuckTales question: If Donald joined the navy, the nephews go to their closest living relatives. Isn't that their parents? Of course we don't know what happened to them, so they may not be able to take care of their kids anymore. But aren't their any other relatives other than Scrooge? I don't know much about this, but could they have moved in with Gladstone or Fethry? Or Grandma?
In the DuckTales cartoons, Gladstone was a peripheral character, Grandma was a cameo... and Fethry may not even have existed.
And if we need to explain how DuckTales fit with the Barks comics universe, I prefer the "parallel universe" explanation. It's much simpler than the alternative explanation.
In the DuckTales cartoons, Gladstone was a peripheral character, Grandma was a cameo... and Fethry may not even have existed.
And if we need to explain how DuckTales fit with the Barks comics universe, I prefer the "parallel universe" explanation. It's much simpler than the alternative explanation.