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OK - to quackpack - first off I'm gonna have to disprove some major discrepancies because you're making a lot of assumptions that simply aren't true. Quack Pack is NOT a sequel to Ducktales under any circumstances.

It was originally intended to be one - a direct sequel as a matter of fact with Scrooge handing off the kids BACK to Donald as a parallel to Duck Tales' very first episode - but what it BECAME was something entirely different. And this time - to finally dispel people saying otherwise - I can prove it.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in older days of the internet, back when usenet and dejanews were still very much active, prominent, and the major sources of fans getting together to talk about stuff - there used to be mailing lists for specific topics and such. One such was the Disney Afternoon Message Group (alt.fans.disney.afternoon) and I used to lurk there and read it quite a bit during my middle school/high school days. Two of the people who posted there with varying regularity were Tad Stones and Jim Peterson. Tad Stones - for those who don't know is basically "the daddy" (IE creator) of Darkwing Duck - he was was with the DA since Wuzzles and Gummi Bears, and spearheaded Aladdin, Rescue Rangers and the Buzz Lightyear cartoon (which would be one of his final major collaborations at Disney) and - as a side note to keep this on topic - also served as one of the primary producers of Quack Pack. Jim Peterson was a story writer and editor for the show as I recall.

Long story short - Deja News and the resulting newsgroups were bought out and archived by Google. A lot of those posts that were made WAY back when the show was fresh and premiering are unfortunately gone (especially anything before Bonkers), but remnants of a few threads on this very discussion still exist.

There were two people involved with the initial direction of QP - Kevin Hopps and Toby Shelton. Long story short, huge creative differences came in and Shelton overruled Hopps. Hopps left, rather frustratedly, before QP was finished. Hopps wanted the show to be more in the direction of Ducktales. Shelton DETESTED dognoses and the comic universe, wanting the show to be more along the veins of the classic cartoon scenarios where Donald interacted with humans and relied solely on slapstick. Apparently there was an unnamed executive that agreed with him, didn't like Barks Universe at all, and Shelton won out. The pilot for QP went through NUMEROUS revisions as Hopps fought it before finally giving into Shelton and the last bits of executive meddling. For example - originally the nephews were going to be kids and retain their original personalities. Then, when that was challenged, the same Ducktales scenario went through except now they were suddenly teens. Then, when that was challenged, Scrooge was written out of the show altogether because someone Shelton continued to champion against Barksian elements and storytelling style in the show - this is why Ludwig Von Drake appeared because he was more connected to cartoon Donald than comics Donald. Eventually, so many changes were made that any and all references to Ducktales or the Barks universe were thrown out in favor of "making QP more like the cartoon stuff." Hopps had enough and left.

With Shelton on the show unchallenged. all dognoses were forbidden and any ones you saw were cameos at best, so: no Beagle Boys, no Glomgold, no money bin, no Gyro Gearloose (Ludwig was used as the catch all smart guy) and no connections to the Barks world or the Ducktales world. Kent Powers was introduced as the "comedy relief human" and the show retooled with Daisy as a news reporter, Donald as her cameraman, and HDL as the tagalong kids.

Conveniently, Gargoyles caught everyone off guard, proved to be a major success, and Duck Daze (as it was still called during production - you can hear it being called that in the intro at the very end) was pushed back to accomodate Shelton's numerous and unnecessary changes. It is rumored - but was never confimed - that Gustav was one of the later models for a teenage Doofus and Katie (the girl duck) was one of the later models for a teenage Webby. They only appeared in a scant few episodes anyway, and if you think about it - it makes sense. Outside of Donald, Daisy and the kids - they are the only other characters beyond Ludwig to appear in the show that aren't human and HDL needed a set of friends I suppose (this is why so many elements of QP were utterly infuriating IMO).

By this point Quack Pack was a production nightmare but it had not quite made the disastrous impact on the TV studio that Bonkers had. The Australian animation studio and Toon City were given the bulk of the episodes on the show to make up for its otherwise weak scripts. Basically Shelton got his way and the show went in a completely different direction from all that came before it. This is why the nephews were so radically different in personality, none of the continuity matches up in any way shape or form, why Scrooge is nowhere to be found, why Daisy's personality was also changed and why Donald became a lot more slapstick and marginally stupider.

It is also why in the intro - you see Donald setting up a projection camera and his face coming up in the vein of the old Disney Shorts intros - as if to hammer the fact home. If you don't believe me you can do a search on Google Groups for some of the posts. MANY of them do not exist anymore - sadly the ones from Jim Peterson which laid out all of the details in full and way better than I explained it (going off a lot of memory here, many of the details of which I am forgetting) - but as I said, the remnants of those discussions are still there including a scant few posts by Tad Stones himself when people were complaining about the general tone and dissapointment in the show.

Again - calling QP a direct sequel to DT or the Comics is a complete fallacy because that is simply NOT what it turned out to be. Just another wasted opportunity for potentially good sequel series ruined by a creative drama queen with lots of clout.

SIDENOTE: The tone of this post seems a mite antagonistic, but it's not meant as such. Like I said before - there are some things about QP that I genuinely liked (and mayve even prefer) and I don't flat out hate the show by any means, but there's just too much wrong with it for me PERSONALLY let it off with just a simple handwave. Especially when the potential for what it could have been was pretty much blown via silly creative niggles. :(

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Quote:Are the Disney Afternoon shows (DuckTales, Goof Troop, Darkwing Duck) in the same continuity as the two direct-to-video Christmas specials? (Once Upon a Christmas, Twice Upon a Christmas)

If so, we've got even more continuity problems. Pete seems childless in the Goofy stories (maybe he got divorced and his wife took the kids... then his son moved back for the two Goofy movies?) HDL haven't aged at all, but Goofy's son Max is younger than he was in Goof Troop in the first movie, then in college the next. HDL are also living with Donald, not Uncle Scrooge (though it could be argued he was discharged from the Navy and took the boys back.)

So, I'm thinking Disney animation studios probably wasn't thinking of continuity with Quack Pack... they just wanted to do something funny with Donald, making the boys older so as to not repeat DuckTales (just without Scrooge.) Just a theory.
I've never thought they were. I always saw them as tests to see how marketable the classic characters were. Max in particular was a shocker because I genuinely don't think Disney expected A Goofy Movie or its DTV sequel to be as fondly embraced as they were. So I guess you could say the Once/Twice DTV's with max's inclusion were a way to see if he could be absorbed into the set of classic characters and at what age would be viable to do so? In that sense, I don't think Disney even cared about continuity, just said "screw it", and did it anyway.

It goes back to an earlier thread I made years ago here about whether Max could (theoretically) be integrated into comic continuity, but there's no way to do it seamlessly at all. Max himself is still a wildly popular character for them to have used him all through House of Mouse. SOMEBODY at Disney really likes him anyway. But I wouldn't look too deeply into it because all it'll wind up doing is making everyone's head hurt. :)

Quote from user: WBIt goes back to an earlier thread I made years ago here about whether Max could (theoretically) be integrated into comic continuity, but there's no way to do it seamlessly at all.
Sure there is. Just plop him into a few stories and hope no one notices the continuity snafu and/or cares about it. ;)

(Aside from Barks, Rosa and possibly Gottfredson, I haven't really seen any kind of definitive Marvel/DC type continuity within the Disney comics universe... have I missed something?)

Great post, BTW. I've only caught one or two episodes of Quack Pack, but never cared for it much. Enlightening to read about all the behind the scenes drama.

Quote from user: FuriennaQuote from user: quackpackQuote from user: Robb_KI agree! Quack Pack has to be considered as told second hand description from a poor memory(something like Homer's Iliad and Oddessy), while the Barks Universe is actually photos of what really occurred.
Well, the comics themselfs were dierefferent. I wouldn't agree that Quack Pack is only from a poor memory, because that they take place in a time that Scrooge McDuck probaly died (=() and since that Ducktales takes place 7 years eariler, HDL might have quit the Junior Woodchucks, then they actacually became worse then they were before they joined JW. Would make sense.

(And the humans doesn't bother me, in fact the usual dogs in the comics are just humans with dog noses)
Yes, maybe Scrooge had died at that point. (Ludwig was still alive though.) But then, why aren't Donald and the boys rich, since they must have inherited his money?

And I don't think it takes place seven years after "Duck Tales". Huey, Dewie and Louie were ten years old then, and seven years later, thery would have been seventeen years old. And they're not more than thirteen or fourteen years old in "Quack Pack".

And while the usual dogs in the comics could be seen as "just humans with dog noses", it still makes a difference, since having humanesque animals interact with humans like that feels wrong, even in a cartoon. That was also my only problem with Saban's version of "Oliver Twist", which otherwise was a really good (and underrated) cartoon series.
Actacually they were at least over 16 because Huey seems to have a driver's license. And considering the amount of traffic in Duckburg, it would be weird if they let people drive under 16. But since it does have a lotta differences vs. comics and Ducktales, I would say Louie is probaly 14(since he acts much more childish than his brothers).

Also, like I said, Scrooge's money could be all lost in a scam.(That is very likely, since several people tried scam schemes on him before)

Quote from user: quackpackActacually they were at least over 16 because Huey seems to have a driver's license. And considering the amount of traffic in Duckburg, it would be weird if they let people drive under 16. But since it does have a lotta differences vs. comics and Ducktales, I would say Louie is probaly 14(since he acts much more childish than his brothers).

Also, like I said, Scrooge's money could be all lost in a scam.(That is very likely, since several people tried scam schemes on him before)
I don't remember Huey having a driver's license. But then, it was a few years ago, that I followed this show. But they still had childlike voices, so I didn't think, that they were that old.

And yeah, they could have lost the money (even though it sounds unlikely, that they could have lost all of it). Not to mention that other relatives, like Gladstone Gander, could have gotten a share of Scrooge's money too.

He would be in the Goofy universe though, right?

Quote from user: FuriennaNot to mention that other relatives, like Gladstone Gander, could have gotten a share of Scrooge's money too.
He shouldn't have gotten much money from Scrooge, as compared to Donald and his nephews, as they were much more closely related than Gladstone. Scrooge was Gladstone's mother's brother's brother-in-law. So, he wasn't even a blood relative (unless his mother's brother married into part of the Mcduck clan that was already connected by blood to the Ganders).

Although we don't really know what Donald's relationship was to Scrooge, we can assume, with some confidence, that he was Donald's great uncle on his mother's side. So, Scrooge was Huey, Dewey and Louie's great, great uncle by blood. In USA, without a will, Gladstone would likely get NOTHING from Scrooge. If Scrooge made out a will, Gladstone would likely get nothing.

Without a will, Donald (as Scrooge's nearest living relative)(disclaiming Rosa's wanting to resurrect one of Scrooge's sisters), would likely get ALL Scrooge's money (net of inheritance taxes). The nephews might sue for a cut, and if they got aa good lawyer, could probably get a significantly smaller chunk than Donald.

If we assume Scrooge made out a will, he likely would have left half to Donald, and half to be divided equally amongst the three nephews.

wait...

are we really having a conversation about donald and his nephews suing each other over thier dead uncle's money?

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really?

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REALLY?!?!?!?! >8(

Quote from user: FuriennaScrooge wasn't Donald's great-uncle. One of Scrooge's sisters, Hortensia McDuck, was Donald's mother. So they're just uncle/nephew, not great-uncle/grand-nephew. Huey, Dewie and Louie are his grand-nephews though.
As far as I know, Hortensia only exists in the Don Rosa universe. I don't remember Barks ever mentioning her. (I'm counting published stories only, not private Duck family trees.) And I think it's fair to say Robb_K is a proud barksist, so Barks facts about his own characters trump everything else. Am I right, Rob?

Quote from user: Robb_KScrooge was Gladstone's mother's brother's brother-in-law.
Quote from user: FuriennaAnd about Gladstone's relation to Scrooge, that depends on what version you read. You described Don Rosa's view on it.
No, this was Barks' view, as stated in "Race to the South Seas". Although in that story, Gladstone is also described as Scrooge's sister-in-law's son.