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Harry Fluks
MIKE R:
> Has anyone seen the children's book Donald Duck: The Fair Fiasco by Carl
> Barks? The story is that Donald borrows an ox and cart from Grandma Duck
> to enter into a fair.

I haven't seen the book, but I know the story: it's from Walt Disney's
Comics & Stories 182 (1955 or so). Our database describes it as
"The Unorthodox Ox".

--Harry.
(I didn't get any mail since 11 PM yesterday, so this mail is also to
test my connection.)
Mattias Hallin
OK. This is way off topic, but here goes: Ross Russell, in his Charlie Parker
(you know -- the jazz musician?!) biography "Bird Lives" tells about how the
adolescent (early teens) Parker and a friend got high on coffee spiked with
nutmeg -- so much so, according to Russell, that they freaked out and stayed
away from home and school for several days. I *think* Russell also mentions
this coffee'n'nutmegs thing as a common poor man's/kids' drug of the period
(early/mid-thirties).

So, to get back *on* topic, Barks might have been having his li'l ol' private
joke with the censors at Western when he has $crooge drinking nutmeg tea, eh?

All my best to everyone!

/Mattias

**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
Don Rosa
DAVID:
I don't recall what my original dialogue was where Disney used
"awesome". My studio/office is far from this computer or I'd check my
original script. But it was surely something like "swell" or somesuch.
The comment HDL make about their parents was in one of those last
panels where I had them say something like "And Unca Donald raised his
orphaned nephews..." But I'm glad they changed that -- perhaps someday I or
someone else will figure out a way to do a story about their lost parents,
at which point it might be decided they are only missing or something.

MIKE:
The "Barks children's book" you describe was sorta like a Little
Golden Book in size, shape and lay-out, with text accompanying the drawings.
(I hope my memory is serving me on this one -- again, my "vault" of this
stuff is far from this station). It was different from a L.G.B. in that it
had soft covers, like one of Western's coloring books or such. The art was
reprinted from the WDC&S Barks 10-pager from 1955 where Donald takes
Grandma's tired old bull to the fair and it goes berserk because someone
pins a blue-ribbon between its eyes, and blue drives it wild.

TODD:
You're lucky -- the Digest arrived in my computer late today, so
I'll postpone any comments about my Finland visit till tomorrow. Fingers
away from the scroll buttons... false alarm!
Geir J. Netland
I read in a science-magazine that eating 20 nutmegs would be
fatal!

---------------
Geir J. Netland
---------------
Hide, men! If he sees us, he'll put
two and two together and get THREE
-Three guilty ducklings, that is!
Augie De Blieck Jr.
DAVID:

It looks to me like they recolored the whole dang thing with Don's "Super
Snooper Strikes Again." It was more than just the blue eyes. I was
curious what the difference would be so I looked at my Disney issue and
compared it to the new Gladstone issue. There's been more work there
than mere color separations. The colors are more often blended and
there's a lot more of them. It is fun to compare the two, though.

-Augie
-----------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. - Clinton caved. The supposed compromise deal
adebliec at internexus.net- included nothing that wasn't already in the
adebliec at drew.edu - Republican's budget.
GaryB98294
Happened to be slipping through the cable channels early this morning and saw
some sort of shopping channel (PSN) offering metal plates used to print
Disney comic books. they apparently were either Dell or Gold Key plates (I'd
suspect Dell). The two they displayed while I watched it were a Mickey Mouse
splash by Paul Murray and a Donald Duck splash by Tony Strobl. It was
difficult to see the story titles and I didn't recornize them.
Anyhow, they were charging $200 per plate. These were the old metal plates,
before they went to plastics, etc. For another $60 you got a matted copy of a
copy of the plate you bought.
I guess I should have taken down the phone number for anyone interested, but
it was 2:30 a.m. and I was a little surprised to see these offered. the
announcer said there were all the Disney characters available -- Uncle
Scrooge, Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, Goofy, etc. While talking about the
quality of the artwork, he made a comment that Walt Disney sure was a great
cartoonist. Gak.
Gary Brown
KERSTIN S.DERBAUM
--- Inkommet fr}n VD.POL2 031-667632 95-11-22 18:39
-> IN=disney-comics(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE

Hiya, everybody!
I'm back from Cyprus now! Hmm.. actually I've been back since last Monday,
but I haven't had very much time to write lately, because of all the
terrible tests we have in school...

But now I have time:

DON:

> All this discussion about Ludwig Von Drake being HDL's father, or
> that it even IS Von Drake in the "Daisy's Diary" cartoon is all fun,
> right?

Er...

BTW., the cartoon is called "Donald's Diary"...

And if *everyone* is against my theory, then I'll quit. Fine. Suits me
well. Then I've only laid 5 years of my life for nothing. Good. I will
*never* claim Ludwig to be the father of HDL anymore. Fine, just fine.
Besides, did anybody *ever* hear that theory? Guess not. I'll leave
the kin-thing to Don instead. He's the expert. He could even make up
an entire familly-tree *without* Ludwig... That's good. Maybe Ludwig
is just Goofy acting like a Duck... What do *I* know about that?

OERJAN:

Welcome, Oerjan! At *least* you've joined the club! I've really missed you
since our talking at Serieknodden!

BTW., something must be wrong with your mailbox(es)! I've sent a handfull
of letters to both of them, but they just bounce back... I guess you have
to try *my* address now when you have it.

And I think that an introduction would suit pretty well, Oerjan! It would
be *very* interesting, I think, to hear your story! We never had time to
talk about anything but business at Serieknodden, remember? So even a guy
who know you since *before* you joined the club is interested...

Glad to have you here!
---

Jakob Soederbaum
-------------------------------------------------
"I have only one soda left, senor... But I think
it has been FLAT since the Great War!
Ever since World War TWO?!
CARAMBA! There was ANOTHER one?
--------------------------------

VD.POL2 at MEMO.VOLVO.SE
KERSTIN S.DERBAUM
--- Inkommet fr}n VD.POL2 031-667632 95-11-22 19:00
--- Inkommet fr}n VD.POL2 031-667632 95-11-22 18:39
-> IN=disney-comics(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE

Hiya, everybody!
I'm back from Cyprus now! Hmm.. actually I've been back since last Monday,
but I haven't had very much time to write lately, because of all the
terrible tests we have in school...

But now I have time:

DON:

> All this discussion about Ludwig Von Drake being HDL's father, or
> that it even IS Von Drake in the "Daisy's Diary" cartoon is all fun,
> right?

Er...

BTW., the cartoon is called "Donald's Diary"...

And if *everyone* is against my theory, then I'll quit. Fine. Suits me
well. Then I've only laid 5 years of my life for nothing. Good. I will
*never* claim Ludwig to be the father of HDL anymore. Fine, just fine.
Besides, did anybody *ever* hear that theory? Guess not. I'll leave
the kin-thing to Don instead. He's the expert. He could even make up
an entire familly-tree *without* Ludwig... That's good. Maybe Ludwig
is just Goofy acting like a Duck... What do *I* know about that?

OERJAN:

Welcome, Oerjan! At *least* you've joined the club! I've really missed you
since our talking at Serieknodden!

BTW., something must be wrong with your mailbox(es)! I've sent a handfull
of letters to both of them, but they just bounce back... I guess you have
to try *my* address now when you have it.

And I think that an introduction would suit pretty well, Oerjan! It would
be *very* interesting, I think, to hear your story! We never had time to
talk about anything but business at Serieknodden, remember? So even a guy
who know you since *before* you joined the club is interested...

Glad to have you here!
---

Jakob Soederbaum
-------------------------------------------------
"I have only one soda left, senor... But I think
it has been FLAT since the Great War!
Ever since World War TWO?!
CARAMBA! There was ANOTHER one?
--------------------------------

VD.POL2 at MEMO.VOLVO.SE
TKlein28
DON:
Thanks for the continued notes on your trip. I sympathize with your
reluctance to do sketches, since you can't do them quickly. I've never
understood the willingness of some artists to sit for hours at a convention
and do sketches on commission -- when I go to something like that, I consider
it TIME OFF! Luckily, no one bothers me for sketches once I've told them that
I'm not an artist. The only solution you might consider is to come up with a
very simple icon that you could do with a few lines and add to your signature
for those who ask for a sketch. For instance, and speaking of ducks, I once
bought a daily strip from "Howard the Duck" by Gene Colan, and to his
signature he added a simple sketch of Howard's cigar -- sort of like the
"remarque" that artists add to their prints these days (for extra money, of
course).
Mike Pohjola
ALL:
What do you think makes a good story? The adventure? The art? The
dialogue? Humour? Realism? Simpleness?
I know all these have some to say with the out-came, but is there
something you value more than the others?

DON:
You made me that great drawing when in Finland. Thank you. Now I was
wandering about my rights with it. And yours. So, will I (or you) get into
some kind of a trouble if I'll make photocopies of it and give to my friends
so that they can get real jealous/scan it and upload it into BBSs and perhaps
the disney-comics-ftp-server/scan it, color it and print it?

I think I can remember atleast two of your stories (GotLL and BtX) where
it was said that Marco Polo was in China and 'round there. This might, however,
be untrue. The following article was published in a Finnish magazine last
Sunday:
MARCO POLO NEVER WENT NEAR CHINA
The famous Venicean merchant and traveller Marco Polo might have made up
his travelogues says a fresh book published in England. According to doctor
Frances Wood who is specialized in investigating China Polo never went near
China and invented all the stories about his journeys to Far East.
[...]

And so it continues. Tell me if you're interested in seeing the rest
of the article. Wood's book is called "Did Marco Polo Go to China?"

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Daniel Van Eijmeren
ALL:

Many thanks to the people who replied to my nutmeg-question. I didn't
expect to get so many reactions.

The most surprising reaction was from Matthias, who told about the
"freaking" effect of coffee spiked with nutmeg. If this is *really*
true, I'm glad that nutmeg doesn't look like sugar, so you can't
confuse them with each other! ;-)

WES:

A comment of Don about nutmeg brought up a subject about Mormons. You
told us that you are a Mormon. To be frankly, I don't know about
Mormons but I remember hearing something about it years ago. (I don't
know if it's true, but I was told that Mormons collect information and
archives or something.) Can you tell me more?

MIKE:

> What do you think makes a good story? The adventure? The art? The
> dialogue? Humour? Realism? Simpleness? I know all these have some to
> say with the out-came, but is there something you value more than
> the others?

Thanks for this question. It makes me able to include at least one
subject related to Disney-comics in this letter. ;-)

A good Duck story combines all the ingredients you mention IMHO,
although adventure doesn't nescessarely count for 10-pagers (for this
kind of stories the plot is very important).

It's important (at least to me) that a story also has a kind of realism
in it. Otherwise you can make up almost anything to make a story. It's
for this reason that I don't like Barks' "Interplanetary Postman". The
first pages promise you a very good story, but then it kind of seems
like Barks got stuck with the story and made up the Venus-thing so he
was able to at least finish it. (I know this is not the case, but it
*seems* like that.)

Of course humour is very important in Duck stories. I really like
Barks' opinion that a good story at least needs one good gag per page.

About "simpleness"... what do you mean with that? Maybe you mean that a
story needs a clear direction? In this meaning I certainly agree. Of
course a story can have a sudden change in it, but it certainly must not
confuse the reader.

Another important ingredient for a good story is originality.

Greetings,

--- Daniel
Don Rosa
MIKE:
Now that you've asked me in public (!) I must say that you cannot
reproduce that drawing I did for you under any circumstances or for any
purpose. In fact, you aren't even supposed to HAVE it. Look around you to
see how much similar reproducing of such Disney images you see wherever you
might see such, judge your risk factor, and proceed accordingly.
And of course Marco Polo was in China! But if Frances Wood wrote a
book about Polo in China, no one would have bought it.

JAKOB:
You seem to have gotten a wrong idea due to the way they editted a
few lines out of my text piece that accompanied my Duck Family Tree in WDC&S
#600. I had written that the only way Ludwig Von Drake could be Donald's
uncle is if he were married to Matilda... but I went on to say that various
editors and such asked me not to include Ludwig for reasons I don't recall.
So I left him out. But in my own private notes, I have Ludwig married to
Matilda McDuck. The same way that, in my private notes, Fethry Duck does NOT
exist.

TODD:
There is another walled medieval town, wall completely intact? They
brag in Lucca that they are the only one. Hm.

I did do quick drawings for crowds of fans while in Europe -- it's
just that at other times when there wasn't much time, I couldn't even do ONE
since that would have been very unfair and prolly might make someone sore
(as if NOT doing a single one didn't cause any irritation with someone who
couldn't appreciate the spot they were putting me in). But when I had
several hours without interviews or press conferences or such, I WOULD sit
down and do quickie drawings as fast as I could. And I have gotten to where
I can do a large Duck head with a good expression in about 30 seconds, and
that would be about a minute or so along with some autographs and
thank-yous. But with a line of several hundred Duck fans, you can see how
long that would take, and how many hours of someone's time I was wasting by
their waiting in line.
But in Italy, I did it all three ways that I've figured out. One day
I did the quickie sketches for as many people as I could, for hours nonstop.
The next day I did sloooow full-color illustrations for 4 hours and they
were auctioned off for UNICEF. And another day I had everyone put slips into
a pot and someone drew out 35 names, so people wouldn't have to stand in
line, and I did full-figure drawings at about 10 per hour, non-stop.

Anyway, now I'm in Finland (at least in this recap). I'm afraid that
I have to say this Finnish convention was a fraction of the size of Lucca,
as regards the number of booths... but that doesn't mean the comics fans
were any less serious, Duck fans especially. Besides, this was a free show
located in a very fancy old meeting hall in the very center of Helsinki, so
there were LOTS of folks in there from time to time.
It's hard for me to get used to the idea that people of different
nationalities have different personalities or behaviors. It would be
interesting to have an explanation as to why this is. For example, a typical
American character might be very open and friendly, as well as aggressive,
greedy and violent. What was so nice about the Finns was that, as a group,
they seemed very, very polite and a bit shy, and I was "warned" of that
trait by my hosts. Nice to know there are still folks like that. Whereas the
friendly but emotional Italians RUSHED my table that time, the Finns were
always very quiet and polite in their behavior. But this seems to have been
the reason that the few children who managed to get through the crowds of
adult Duck fans all were very noticeable in that I never saw one of them
smiling. The kids all seemed very serious. But they tell me this is just due
to shyness. Can you imagine a crowd of polite, quiet American kids? My wife
the teacher can't. That's why she has that facial tick when she comes home
every day.
The main aspect of my trip to Finland was the very handsome
hardcover book of my stories that Helsinki Media published in an 18,000
first-printing at about $30 a copy, along with a limited leather-bound
edition of 100 copies (I never asked the price). I visited the major book
stores in Helsinki and another nearby city and signed copies like a reg'lar
Collin Powell. I've never seen a book store as big as the main one in
Helsinki! It was the size of a normal department store in Louisville! Three
stories tall around a central atrium. Scandanavians are serious about reading!
But I think these bookstores were surprised by the popularity of
these Ducks over there. Each store's stock of several hundred books sold out
within 90 minutes of me arriving, and people would start bringing books from
other stores in the area.
Actually, that's most of what I did in Helsinki, so there's not much
more to describe. The other main aspect of the visit to Helsinki was how
well I was taken care of by my hosts, the Helsinki Media people. I've met
nice folks at the other European Disney publishers, and another nice group
of folks at Ehapa in Germany. But this "Disney Team" in Helsinki was the
nicest batch of folks so far -- or, at least, they'd give my German friends
a run for their money. They were all true fans and highly professional
folks, and their offices were like amazing lil' museums of comics and Disney
stuff. Hoping not to slight the others if they see this, but I must mention
the editor of the weekly, a guy named Markku Kivekas. He was hired many
years ago by the company JUST BECAUSE he was such a Duck fan. He also won a
TV quiz contest back in the 60s where you select your own subject... he
chose Disney animated films... and part of his prize was to meet Walt
Disney! He has photos of himself shaking Disney's hand in a private office
meeting. I'm not a hard-core Walt Disney fan... I mean I like some Disney
stuff and dislike other stuff... but there's no question that he might be
the single biggest name or icon in entertainment in the 20th century... and
to have a photo of yourself shaking such a hand is pretty special. Markku
also said that his meeting with Disney was the last such bit of
public-relations that Disney did before he died of cancer very shortly
thereafter.
Well, there's lots more I could write about this trip, but that's a
general overview. I hope I didn't spend far too much time or space on it
here (but Todd asked!). I guess I shouldn't worry too much about that since
you always have the scroll button and the off switch on the computer, so you
can skip me altogether if you wish.
Pekka V (JBV Timonen
DON:
>along with a limited leather-bound edition of 100 copies (I never asked
>the price).
Numbers 1 to 20 (with a full color drawing by Don Rosa) cost 1500 FIM
(about $350) and numbers 21 to 100 (with a B/W drawing by Don Rosa) cost
750 FIM (about $175). We were originally told that only numbers 1 to 20
would have a drawing, so we have number 18 :)

//Pekka Timonen & Christina Hellstr|m
Arthur De Wolf
DON:
I've much enjoyed the report you gave of your trip. It was
very interesting. :)

I was pleased to read the following in USA#36: "... we are planning
to produce collections of both Don Rosa's and William Van Horn's duck work
in 1996." And this in DD#294: "You'll be pleased to learn that we plan to
collect Don Rosa's 'Life and Times' series into a set of four albums. We
plan to publish them monthly beginning April, 1996." That's great.
I'll look forward to all of it!

I liked your cover of WDG#3. It's a pity the original one didn't
make it though.

AUGIE:
Thank you very much for the photocopies of the two Comics Buyer's
Guides containing the interview with Don Rosa and William Van Horn, and
the article about Barks. I liked it a lot. Both the interview and the ar-
ticle were interesting. I had never seen a photo of Van Horn. Always
interesting to know what someone looks like! ;) I had seen Don's photo
once (except for the beard).
In the interview, I read that Don is working on a 12-part series
called "Life of Scrooge". Did anyone know about that? ;)

It seems like USA#36 is all devoted to Dutch stories. I always
like it, to see Dutch stories in American issues. Again, the Duncan-story
was perfectly translated by Dwight. His translations are always exactly
the same as the original dialogues. I noticed in Mau Heymans' Gyro Gear-
loose-story, that Gyro is calling Scrooge "Scrooge McDuck", while in the
Dutch version he calls him "Uncle Scrooge". Funny. It looks like Gyro
always calls him "Uncle Scrooge" in Dutch Disney comics. Pretty weird. Do
they think Scrooge is Gyro's uncle ?!?

Greetings,
___
C:¥>aR|HUr
Georges Helm
I just received a fax with articles about "Disney's Donald Duck illustrator,
Don Rosa, is in an enormous battle against the Walt Disney Company, Egmont,
and his big idol Carl Barks, this all is taking place by Rosa writing on the
internet.."
The articles have been published in "La Repubblica" (Italy) on november 14th
and in "Ekstra Bladet" (Denmark) on september 30th.
I would like to know more about this.
Georges
Georges Helm
geohelm at pt.lu
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