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I'm getting a bit nostalgic here... Per is starting with digest #1 again
and Melanie, whom I haven't "seen" in 3 years, is still there!

JYRKI VAINIO (Welcome. Your name looks perfectly normal to me 8-):
> So far my greatest shock has been a story that was
> published already few years ago: the Finnish title of the story
> was "Todenpuhuja" - a straight translation would be "the Truth
> Speaker".

This is one of the funniest stories I read in the past few years.
The Dutch name of the guy is "Telepatoe", and I think the way he is
drawn is very funny. About the violence in the story: similar scenes
(not showing the violence, but people have black eyes afterwards)
are in other Dutch stories.

This "Telepatoe" story was drawn by Mau Heymans. Unfortunately, I don't
know who wrote it. Code: H 91022. Reprinted in Denmark in Anders And
27, 1993 (in other countries about the same time).

> Finland's Comic Society's magazine had
> picked up a panel from a Danish Duck story that had FOUR nephews
> in it. Does anyone know anything more?

I remember one Danish story where 3 aliens come to the earth, and they
look exactly like the nephews. Maybe that's the one, but they could
also have picked a panel with six nephews in that case.

PER:
> I've started a new mailing list in Swedish now about Donaldism in
> general.

I hope we non-Swedes keep informed if interesting news appears on that
list!

FRANK, about Scarpa:
> So you can compare the styles for yourself if you don't have the
> comics, or recognise the story and find your own translations of the comics
> if you have non-Italian reprints.

Also, the new version of the Disney comics Database contains a lot of
information about Danish reprints of Scarpa stories (thanks to Ole
Reichstein). Other European reprints (in pocket books) could be derived
from the Danish info, since the pocket books often contain the same
stories all over Europe.

(Unfortunately, I can't look at your or any WWW page, since I can only
use e-mail.)

--Harry.

Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Netherlands "Yeah.. I've _heard_ of coral barques"

Harry> I'm getting a bit nostalgic here... Per is starting with
Harry> digest #1 again

I am?! Oops. As usual when messages get lost or partly lost or other
strange things happen I blaim lack of disk space. This time the disk
was so full that the digest making program couldn't even write the
file where it remembers what the number of the last digest was, so
that file became empty, and then it started anew with digest #1 after
that. The next one will be #842. (I hope!)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

Jyrki:

| Finland's Comic Society's magazine had
| picked up a panel from a Danish Duck story that had FOUR nephews
| in it. Does anyone know anything more?

Harry:

| I remember one Danish story where 3 aliens come to the earth, and they
| look exactly like the nephews. Maybe that's the one, but they could
| also have picked a panel with six nephews in that case.

I guess the the story mentioned in the Finnish magazine is a very
recent story drawn by Vicar. He drew four nephews in a panel. Quite
funny, since the same panel describes the discovery of a hidden bottle
of N2O2 ;-)
It was also mentioned by the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten. They
credited the discovery to Soland, who said that it tells us that the
Disney comics artists are just humans.

The Norwegian Rosa index will soon be finished, BTW (I've been away for
some days).

Jorgen

JYRKI:
I read the "Truthspeaker-bird" story in a German edition.
This was at a time when I was choosing some of my favorite H-coded
stories to translate for Gladstone, and this story didn't make it
because I thought the violence was a little too strong (DD and the
kids, together, giving Scrooge that black eye). The basic concept of
the story had more potential than it ended up with IMHO.
The art was by Mau Heymans however, which is one thing I LIKED
very much about it!

If you think the violence is getting worse in Disney comics
these days... we were discussing a story from 1943 when this topic got
started ("The Rabbit's Foot," WDC 32). Disney's own censorship keeps
battles with villains fairly unrealistic these days (esp. with regard
to MM stories), and I would say that DD's treatment of the boys in
modern stories is less hostile than it used to be... but that dates
back to the late '40s, when conflict between the Ducks in general
began to be less important in the stories.

Several Gottfredson stories which Gladstone notably hasn't
used have extended battle sequences, but they aren't banned for that
reason. Instead it's a matter of stereotypes which Disney won't allow
to be reprinted, but won't allow to be "cleaned up" either (unlike
with Barks stories, Disney regards FG art as sacrosanct and will no
longer allow an old story to be altered for reprint... if it's banned,
it's banned).
Today I don't think I could get away with MM having a "High
Noon" style gunfight with a villain, as happens in some '30s stories.
I also could never do a scene like the Italians did in the '50s, where
an argument among U$ and DD includes U$ shooting his cannon or a
blunderbuss at DD, but I wouldn't be tempted to do that to begin with.

I think that in the 1991 MICKEY MOUSE ADVENTURES stories
Disney was doing, their editorial staff would not allow "real" guns to
be shown at all. They also shied away from showing Mickey being
threatened with any kind of weapon in close range. In my opinion,
that's pretty silly. Who's offended when Mickey is threatened any
more than when Donald is? Sure, Mickey is Disney's symbol and all
that, but while that affects HIS behavior, it shouldn't affect, say,
Pegleg Pete's. Mickey comes out okay, doesn't he?

David Gerstein
<96dag at williams.edu>
"Well, I'll be...! Poor old Shakespeare -- they GOT him!"

David Gerstein writes:
> Today I don't think I could get away with MM having a "High
> Noon" style gunfight with a villain, as happens in some '30s stories
>
Interesting, since Scrooge (as opposed to Mickey) apparently can -
in fact, he did [in the LO$ episode in South Africa, where he pursues
Flintheart], even to the extent of using the theme song from "High
Noon" in the background! Also, Donald can get pretty violent in his
battles with Neighbor Jones, it seems. I suppose Disney just wants
Mickey to be "nice". As long as they operate under that constraint,
Mickey likely will continue to be less interesting than the Ducks.

Wilmer Rivers

HARRY:

> Schroder inked another Barks sketch, about the nephews cutting
> cheese with a harp. This seems to have been published as a cover on
> one of the Danish pockets. (If anyone has an extra copy of that: I'm
> interested!)

Finally I betrayed you on giving wrong information! ;-)

First, it's a *pie* that the nephews are cutting. Second, the cover
wasn't by Schroder. Volker Reiche did the inking. I checked the CBL
for that (set 9, page 496): "Idea & sketch by Carl Barks, inked by
V. Reiche."

Is the sketch listed wrong in the database?

ALL:

Is there someone here who has a xerox of the original sketch? Volker
Reiche got his xerox from one Stephen Eberhart (as mentioned in
the CBL).

DAVID:

Didn't you see my questions in digest #842? I asked if you can find
out if Schroder's work on "King Scrooge the First" has survived
somewhere. I also asked if you will continue sending your Gladstone-
list to the club. (If not, can you send it to me in private?)

Greetings,

--- Daniel

DWIGHT:

Sorry to hear about your script errors. I'd like to know who's doing those
computer jobs (using "Whizbang") at Gladstone. It could be their production
people, or a freelancer. If I ever hear from John Clark again, I'll ask him
for us. Todd