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TKlein28
I've just had a chance to read this issue, and I have some thoughts. First,
it surprises me a little that I don't recall reading any of these stories
before, as I'm sure I have the Rosa, Jippes and Van Horn stories in their
original appearances. I guess that's good in a way -- got to enjoy them
again!
The Barks story from WDC&S 32 is an interesting look at EARLY Barks,
before he had quite solidified his style, I think. Donald seems a little more
elastic and stretched out, as in his earlies cartoon appearances, and the
gorilla is pretty scary. The lettering is less polished and larger than many
of his later stories, but has a nice bounce -- I would bet he did it himself.
The plot is a bit nastier than we think of as Barks, as well, with him
planning to whip the boys at the end.
The Jippes story from WDC&S 511 makes good use of some visual shortcuts
that used to be more common, especially in humorous comics, than they are
today: little signs with arrows pointing to important objects, memory of
where things were represented by dashed lines, dashed line from eye to object
being spotted. This sort of thing used to be more prevalent in all kinds of
comics, but now survives mainly in Disney.
Don's Family Tree is a delight. I think he did a terrific job visually,
as well as in research and planning. I particularly like all the relevant
objects lying on or hanging from the tree, and look forward with delight to
the story revealing the nephews' father.
My favorite part of the Rosa story from WDC&S 523 is on the top of the
last page, when the nephews have finally seen something their guidebook can't
explain. These three silent panels of classic comic timing had me laughing
out loud, and show the film influences of Don Rosa -- this is a perfect
Oliver Hardy "take". Well done!
The Van Horn story from WDC&S 537 was a pleasure to read. I love his
loose flowing style, and really like his lettering, too. This is less
frenetic than a lot of his stories, but a funny idea.
Fruiz
suscribe
Geir J. Netland
Is there anybody from Holland who knows if Daan Jippes
indends to re-draw all the Junior-Woodchucks stories
written by Barks?
If YES, is he also going to re-draw the U$ 71 "King $crooge the first"
story?

---------------
Geir J. Netland
---------------
Hide, men! If he sees us, he'll put
two and two together and get THREE
-Three guilty ducklings, that is!
H.W. Fluks
GEIR:
> Is there anybody from Holland who knows if Daan Jippes
> indends to re-draw all the Junior-Woodchucks stories
> written by Barks?

I don't know if HE intends to, but the Dutch editor (Thom Roep) certainly
does. Jippes seems to have stopped one or more times, but Roep convinced
him to do more stories. He does the re-inkings in his spare time.

Jakob So/derbaum read in a Swedish magazine that Jippes _was_ going to
do them all. But with Jippes, you never know. The number of finished
Jippes projects is almost as high as the number of unfinished projects...

--Harry.

Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Netherlands "Yeah.. I've _heard_ of coral barques"
David A Gerstein
Just like it says... I scanned in a Gladstone subscription
coupon, put it up on my "Current Gladstone News" page, and so now you
don't have to cut up or even xerox a Gladstone issue to get a
subscription form to fill out.
If you want to subscribe to Gladstones, just get the form at:
http://wso.williams.edu/faculty/psci335/gerstein/gladstone.html
Printing out my page will give you a copy of the form at the
same size it appears in the comics themselves.

The Current Gladstones Page has recently been updated to
describe DONALD DUCK 295, DONALD DUCK AND MICKEY MOUSE 2, and WALT
DISNEY GIANT 3. (I don't, however, know what the DD ten-pager is in
that second comic. Which one is it?)

David Gerstein
<96dag at williams.edu>
Mike Pohjola
Today I had some spare time after school so I went to my local
book-store to see if the "Guardians of the Lost Library and Other Don Rosa's
Best" had arrived yet. And it had! First there was an article about Don Rosa.
And the list was mentioned (with the REQUEST in the address!), thanks to Mikko
Aittola. The article also said that William Van Horn was on the list. Is this
true?!-o
Anyways, The Guardians of the Lost Library was great! One of Rosa's
best, but not _the_ best however. Great adventure and an ending to make you
FOTFLetc. Each story followed a short article written by Don Rosa himself. I
would translate the articles here, but it would make little sence since he can
do that by himself when he gets back. Also The War of the Wendigo was published
here, but sadly it had the splash panels as if it were a continuing story. Or
maybe Rosa never did do the extra art since they won't print it in USA. Dunno.
The second Rosa story I hadn't read was Return to Xanadu. A truely marvellous
story as well. But Lost Charts of Columbus which was published in the Finnish
Aku Ankka (=Donald Duck weekly) was a bit of a disappointment. Perhaps, because
it was so much like TGotLL, but I liked it not. It was almost like Rosa had made
only half a story for this one. Well, perhaps I just had too much Rosa for one
day and totally lost my ability to judge his stories.

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Per Starback
Mike Pohjola wrote about the Finnish book with "Guardians of the Lost
Library" where this list was mentioned. Gosh, so we can expect a rush
of Finnish subscribers soon I guess. (I haven't noticed that yet,
anyway.) No, WVH is not and has never been a member of this list.
Someone must have misunderstood someone there.

Now that much more people have access to email than just a few years
ago it seems relevant to try to inform Disney comics fans in general
about this list in fanzines, magazines, comics etc. that Disney comics
fans read, so thanks to Mikko for arranging this.

Now we should get a plug in a Gladstone book... (wishing)

-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

PS: Several persons here have sent me things recently that I haven't
replied to. Sorry about that. I'll get back to you later!
David A Gerstein
TODD regarding "The Rabbit's Foot," WDC&S 32:
"The plot is a bit nastier than we think of as Barks, as well,
with [DD] planning to whip the boys at the end..."
Actually, I think that what makes this moment particularly
harsh is that (A) Donald is using a metal-plated strap rather than the
usual tree branch, (B) Donald refers to "the licking of your lives,"
and (C) THE BOYS HAVEN'T DONE A THING TO DESERVE IT! Every other time
we see DD chasing the boys with intent to spank them, they've at least
accidentally done something to pique his rage. In WDC&S 32, DD simply
realizes they were right when he was wrong, and because he's mad, that
gives him the license to spank them for that.
Van Horn has managed to get comments about DD spanking the
kids past Disney's editors in recent months, but for those of us who
aren't "name" creators yet, it's harder. DD threatening to "whale the
blazes" out of the boys made it when I dialogued "The Hoard at the
Rainbow's End" (DDA 25); DD stating that he'll "peel you kids like
onions," which was in my script for "A Car-Gone Conclusion" (DDA 31),
did not. Why not?
Do more parents spank their kids now than in years past?
Maybe it's that the question of what constitutes child abuse is more
important these days? I always enjoyed DD's exaggerated threats to
the kids, but then my parents never peeled me like an onion, either.

PER:
I put our E-mail address in some letters to Disney letter
columns, but then those comics lost their letter columns. They're
apparently going to get them back eventually, and I'll try again at
that point.

David Gerstein
<96dag at williams.edu>
"Have a chestnut, boys! ... OW!"
Mikko Aittola
Per wrote:
> Mike Pohjola wrote about the Finnish book with "Guardians of the Lost
> Library" where this list was mentioned.
>
> Now that much more people have access to email than just a few years
> ago it seems relevant to try to inform Disney comics fans in general
> about this list in fanzines, magazines, comics etc. that Disney comics
> fans read, so thanks to Mikko for arranging this.

Actually, to tell you the truth, I didn't 'arrange' that in any
special way. I sent (about 1-1.5 years ago) some info about Don
Rosa (info from our ftp-site that is), and about this mailing list.

The editor of Aku Ankka requested this after I had told about
'our' disney-comics list.

BTW, Mike, Did they actually print my name on the book? Feels
stupid...

/Mikko
MASSENGALE MELANIE O
On Wed, 8 Nov 1995 disney-comics at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE wrote:

> ======================================================================
> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 07:56:04 -0500
> From: TKlein28 at aol.com
> Subject: WDC&S 600
>
> I've just had a chance to read this issue, and I have some thoughts. First,
> it surprises me a little that I don't recall reading any of these stories
> before, as I'm sure I have the Rosa, Jippes and Van Horn stories in their
> original appearances. I guess that's good in a way -- got to enjoy them
> again!

I just picked up this issue and it is indeed marvelous! What a showcase
of great Duck talent!

> The Barks story from WDC&S 32 is an interesting look at EARLY Barks,
> before he had quite solidified his style, I think. Donald seems a little more
> elastic and stretched out, as in his earlies cartoon appearances, and the
> gorilla is pretty scary. The lettering is less polished and larger than many
> of his later stories, but has a nice bounce -- I would bet he did it himself.
> The plot is a bit nastier than we think of as Barks, as well, with him
> planning to whip the boys at the end.

Early Barks does have a curiously "rubbery" quality, and the slapstick
humor matches it. It is clearly the inspiration for Van Horn's Duck
interpretations.

(snips)

> Don's Family Tree is a delight. I think he did a terrific job visually,
> as well as in research and planning. I particularly like all the relevant
> objects lying on or hanging from the tree, and look forward with delight to
> the story revealing the nephews' father.

I loved the family tree. If I read it correctly, then Gus Goose is
Donald's second cousin. Many thanks to Don Rosa for "filling in the
blanks." I do hope we see more of these "obscure" relatives in future
Duck stories!

> My favorite part of the Rosa story from WDC&S 523 is on the top of the
> last page, when the nephews have finally seen something their guidebook can't
> explain. These three silent panels of classic comic timing had me laughing
> out loud, and show the film influences of Don Rosa -- this is a perfect
> Oliver Hardy "take". Well done!

Don Rosa, IMHO, is the greatest talent working in comics today. I hadn't
seen this story before, and I enjoyed it thoroughly. DR also shows some
underground comics influence, as his detail and crosshatching are strongly
reminiscent of R. Crumb.

> The Van Horn story from WDC&S 537 was a pleasure to read. I love his
> loose flowing style, and really like his lettering, too. This is less
> frenetic than a lot of his stories, but a funny idea.

I liked the story better than most of the Van Horn efforts I've seen. VH
is strongly derivative of Early Barks, both in slapstick humor and
"Manneristic" looking Ducks.

Regards,

Melanie
H.W. Fluks
The new Danish index in our Database gives the following information:

In the Danish giant book "Den store jul i Andeby" from 1987, there is a
story by Freddy Milton, called "Hollandsk jul i Andeby" (Dutch Christmas
in Duckburg).
There is no code, but Ole Reichstein thinks it's an H-coded story.

What is this story about? What do Scandinavians mean by "Dutch Christmas"?
Something to do with our version of Santa Claus? How do they explain that
to the reader?

I hope someone can answer this, I'm very curious!
--Harry.

Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Netherlands "Yeah.. I've _heard_ of coral barques"
Brenda Dykas
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Jyrki Vainio
Heyp, I'm a new member of this mailing list of yers.
There was some chat about newly increased violence in
Disney comics. So far my greatest shock has been a story that was
published already few years ago: the Finnish title of the story
was "Todenpuhuja" - a straight translation would be "the Truth
Speaker". It was all about this marvelous bird which Scrooge
tried to catch for his zoo. The problem was that the bird read
Ducks' thoughts and so Donald and the assisting nephews found out
that Scrooge wasn't going to pay them their tiny earnings. Thus
one panel showed Donald and the nephews attacking Scrooge and in
the concluding panel Scrooge really had an black eye... The code
indicated that the story was from the Dutch publisher - and
luckily so, commented Egmont's editor-in-chief when I mentioned
this to him during his visit in Finland in 1994.
Other point, which I don't know whether you have already
discussed about, is that Finland's Comic Society's magazine had
picked up an panel from a Danish Duck story that had FOUR nephews
in it. Does anyone know anything more?

--- Jyrki Vainio ---
...And to those who don't know what to think about my
name I can only quote the philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein: "Don't
worry - I know you'll never get it".

P.S. Where could I get info about other comics-related mailing
lists? Is there some "list of lists" floating around somewhere in
the Net?
Per Starback
[ Mostly for the twenty-something Swedish subscribers to this list.
Sorry for wasting the bandwidth of most other folks. ]

I've started a new mailing list in Swedish now about Donaldism in
general. (That is Disney comics *as well as* other Disney stuff.)
Like this list it's available in two forms: in "reflector" form (get
everything immediately) or in "digest" form (get in in bigger chunks).

The discussions are in Swedish.

To subscribe to the "reflector" list, send a subscription request to
ankism-request at strindberg.ling.uu.se.

To subscribe to the "digest" list, send a subscribe request to
ankism-d-request at strindberg.ling.uu.se.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"S} roligt att tr{ffa n}gon som talar {rans och hj{ltarnas spr}k!"
Frank Stajano
This is not one of my usual "thousands of replies condensed into one
message"- I haven't found the time to catch up yet. Maybe next weekend.

I just wanted to warn you all that the movie "Citizen Kane", that has been
discussed several times in the past month, and that was quoted by Don as an
inspiration for some of his $crooge work, will be transmitted on Friday on
satellite TV.

Maybe you don't get satellite TV (I, for one, don't) but I bet you know
several friends who do and who will gladly record a tape for you if you ask
nicely.

The complete coordinates are:

Friday 10 November 1995
23:55 Sky Movies Gold
Citizen Kane
(1941, Drama)

That's it!

And now a shameless plug. Many thanks to those of you who have already
visited my new Disney pages at

http://www.cam-orl.co.uk/‾fms/disney

and/or the Scarpa page at

http://WWW.Update.UU.SE/‾starback/disney-comics/scarpa.html

This one contains the text of my "Scarpa's periods" analysis, as Per
announced (thanks for putting it up Per!) and the interesting bit is that
for almost every story referenced you can view a full-colour page from the
comic! So you can compare the styles for yourself if you don't have the
comics, or recognise the story and find your own translations of the comics
if you have non-Italian reprints.

Similar pages on other authors (Cavazzano first) will be written as soon as
I get round to doing it!

See you soon,

Frank (filologo disneyano)
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