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Deckerd
On Nov 10, 7:01am, TKlein28 at aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Gladstone lettering
>
> Sorry to hear about your script errors. I'd like to know
> who's doing those computer jobs (using "Whizbang") at
> Gladstone.

I don't know about the "Duncan McDuck" story in USA #36,
but the second story (the four-pager) was hand-lettered
by Sue Klinger. Y'know, I only live about two hours away
from Gladstone World Headquarters. There should be some
way I could get a look at proof copies of the stories
I do before they go to press, and just check 'em over
for goofs like the ones that have lately caused me so
much gastric distress.

--Dwight Decker
David A Gerstein
DANIEL:
Gladstone never made any xeroxes of the "King Scrooge" art
except for that ONE half-page. That means that there must have been a
risk, at some time, that the story would have been lost in the mail.
So I imagine that Schroder himself assured them that HE'D made copies,
before his later announcement that he destroyed his work.
I do have a phone number for Schroder and will try to get in
touch with him, but I don't want to seem like a pest. Still, I may
try getting in touch with him soon and asking if he REALLY destroyed
the art. It sure would look good to see it in the upcoming CBL of U$A
in Color.

David Gerstein
<96dag at williams.edu>
Carey Furlong - Tdoc
Hi Dwight!

> "No matter how smart you think you are, there are times when you
> should be smart enough to leave things well enough alone!"
> As printed, however, Donald is saying:
> "No matter how smart you think you are, there aren't enough
> times when you should be smart enough to leave things well
> enough alone!"
> That "there aren't enough times" makes no sense and seems like
> a typo.

I read USA 36 last night, and I agree that this sentence
came across needlessly mangled. In fact, it's one of
the largest run-on sentences I've ever seen in a Disney
book. Still, though, it didn't bother me too much, and
I understood its meaning (once I made it to the end of
the sentence).

So that was a computerized comic type font, eh? I've heard
so much about them. So, I suppose the font characters
are undifferentiated, with no variances. I'll have to
take another look.

> The second story (H91134) is a four-page Scrooge & Gyro story
> ... "Why don't you make some
> yourself" in the last panel makes no sense...

This error, in my opinion, detracted from the story, and caused a real
jolt in the reading flow. I involuntarily halted the read at that spot,
scratched my noggin for a second, and then started up again.

> There should be some
> way I could get a look at proof copies of the stories
> I do before they go to press, and just check 'em over
> for goofs like the ones that have lately caused me so
> much gastric distress.

Gastric distress goes, I think, with the territory. I'm a software
technical writer (computer user manuals, and such), and I can tell you
that you are not alone in watching others botch-up your stuff,
leading inexorably to all sorts of interesting ailments.

To ALL:

And now, I would like to say to the group that I have barely been able
to restrain my anticipation of the upcoming CBLIC, Donald Duck
Adventures 22, in which they are reprinting Barks' classic dinosaur
story, Forbidden Valley (from DD 54, 1957). The plot line of this
story was taken in part from an earlier one that Barks did, but without
dinosaurs. I just love to see how they do the colors in the CBL, and
this is one story I have long awaited getting the treatment.

Also, is any one else impatient to see the new CBL of Uncle Scrooge
Adventures? Gadzooks, I can hardly wait to see what they do with the
colors.

And so, I ask myself, what does this tell me? Why do I wait with such
finger-biting spasms for all of these great Disney stories? I only
just recently discovered that I won't have to immediately go into
withdrawal pains after the end of Don's "Life of Scrooge" series, since
there is going to be a followup part 0. But, holy cow, the way I wait
for these stories, you'd think I was going to inherit big money or
something. In my defense, I can only say that I am not new at this. I
still have my original copy of DD 54, which I bought when it was first
released.

"This fabulous twenty-four carat moon, for
a handful of dirt!... Man! That's the biggest
bargain I ever heard of in all history!"
--------------- Uncle Scrooge #24 -------
---- Carey ----
Carey Furlong, Huntington Beach, CA; Primary e-mail: furlong at ug.eds.com
Secondary email: cfurlong at ix.netcom.com; Prodigy TXST34A;
Compu$erve 70531,2753; Opinions expressed are mine and not those of EDS
Daniel Van Eijmeren
DAVID:

> I do have a phone number for Schroder and will try to get in touch
> with him, but I don't want to seem like a pest. Still, I may try
> getting in touch with him soon and asking if he REALLY destroyed the
> art. It sure would look good to see it in the upcoming CBL of U$A in
> Color.

I was thinking of writing a letter to Schroder, but I think it's better
that someone contacts him who is more familiar with Gladstone and
Disney. So, I really hope that you'll do it and that you have succes
with it. I still think that it's rather strange that someone destroys
weeks of work (maybe more).

Greetings,

--- Daniel
Cdoberman
Arthur:

Thanks again for sending me the photocopies of "War of the Wendigo" and
emailing the English script. I feel pretty lucky to be one of the few
Americans to read this story. The copies were pretty good. My only
challenge was holding the art in one hand, and the dialogue in the other hand
and glancing back and forth. I felt like I was watching a tiny tennis match,
back and forth, back and forth.

DON:

I really enjoyed this story. I just read Carl Barks original a few weeks
ago, so it was fun to get the sequel this quickly. I guess it probably won't
ever be printed in the U.S., but thanks to the technological wizardry of this
mail list, I've been able to read a story I would have never even known about
otherwise. My favorite moment was when the chief looked out on the lake and
said:
"I fear there *are* no sturgeon!
No bass or trout of *any* size!
And the nightfall brings no singing
of the whippoorwills or bullfrogs!
None could stand the stinging waters,
so they *left* us, to our sorrow!"
Gosh, that was sad. (Kathy "Sentimental" Fitzpatrick, are you still out
there?) It made me think of boating on Lake Placid a few years ago, and you
could see where the surrounding tree tops had been scorched by acid rain.
Thanks for another great story.

And thanks again, Arthur, for getting it to me (& diologue via Daniel).

-- Wes

"Attention! All Needy People! Line up now for the Great Clothes Rush!" --
Master of Ceremonies, Festival of the Poor
MASSENGALE MELANIE O
On Sat, 11 Nov 1995 disney-comics at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE wrote:

> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 20:41:51 -0500
> From: David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
> Subject: Re: Disney-comics digest #840.
>
> TODD regarding "The Rabbit's Foot," WDC&S 32:
> "The plot is a bit nastier than we think of as Barks, as well,
> with [DD] planning to whip the boys at the end..."
> Actually, I think that what makes this moment particularly
> harsh is that (A) Donald is using a metal-plated strap rather than the
> usual tree branch, (B) Donald refers to "the licking of your lives,"
> and (C) THE BOYS HAVEN'T DONE A THING TO DESERVE IT! Every other time
> we see DD chasing the boys with intent to spank them, they've at least
> accidentally done something to pique his rage. In WDC&S 32, DD simply
> realizes they were right when he was wrong, and because he's mad, that
> gives him the license to spank them for that.

These references seem almost anachronistic to American audiences now, I
think. Despite the fact that people undoubtably do still spank their
kids, few discuss it much. There have been a lot of stories in the paper
about child abuse charges filed against parents who, say, swat their kid
in the grocery store. In recent years, it has come to be viewed as
socially unacceptable (rather like smoking).

> Van Horn has managed to get comments about DD spanking the
8> kids past Disney's editors in recent months, but for those of us who
> aren't "name" creators yet, it's harder. DD threatening to "whale the
> blazes" out of the boys made it when I dialogued "The Hoard at the
> Rainbow's End" (DDA 25); DD stating that he'll "peel you kids like
> onions," which was in my script for "A Car-Gone Conclusion" (DDA 31),
> did not. Why not?
> Do more parents spank their kids now than in years past?
> Maybe it's that the question of what constitutes child abuse is more
> important these days? I always enjoyed DD's exaggerated threats to
> the kids, but then my parents never peeled me like an onion, either.

The child abuse question is definitely a hot-button issue. I believe that
many of the child psychologists who publish strongly urge parents to avoid
completely any form of corporal punishment. School have been sued by
irate parents for punishing by "paddling." I personally see nothing wrong
with these references in the Duck comics, but wouldn't be at all surprised
OTOH if some parents complained.

Best regards,

Melanie
David A Gerstein
DWIGHT:
I'm not sure who does the Whizbang lettering. When it is
credited, they give it a GAG credit: "Lettered by A. Machine." I
wouldn't like that if I'D been manning the computer, but I imagine
it's a voluntary decision to use the gag credit, on the part of the
person who did the lettering.
These aren't the first computer-lettered Disney comics. David
Cody Weiss' lettering on MICKEY MOUSE ADVENTURES (and the backup story
of DDAD 1) was computer-done, but he constructed the font himself, I
believe. Disney used it a lot in their earlier days. Unlike
Whizbang, this font had a special subfont for sound effects.
Sure wish I lived two hours away from Gladstone.

There have been lettering errors in my hand-lettered stories
too, so it isn't the domain of computers only. In "The Money-Counting
Machine" (USA 34), Scrooge used the phrase "long ago" in two
consecutive panels; the second one was supposed to have been "then
and there". And as I've mentioned, in "A Car-Gone Conclusion" (DDA
31), Donald was missing an entire word balloon on the last page, with
the result that it wasn't clear why he'd brought those bill collectors
into Scrooge's office. You can see the space where the balloon should
have been, in that panel where DD is holding up the pointer fingers of
both his hands.
Maybe Disney made the changes, though? Sometimes they make
linguistic alterations that I can't really explain. I got a look at
the process when I saw a Disney-edited manuscript for one of the two
original stories I've made for Gladstone. (On the other hand,
Disney's editing revealed a major plot error I'd left in my story, so
I'm not saying editing is all bad, or something.)
The story in question, BTW, is a 26-page DD epic which may
actually see the light of day not so long from now. Stay tuned...

David Gerstein
<96dag at williams.edu>
Arthur De Wolf
WES:
I'm glad you liked the photocopies of "War of the Wendigo". Don't
thank me for the English script that I sent you by email. Daniel made it!
___
C:¥>aR|HUr
Mikko Aittola
Hi folks!

I met Don thursday here in Finland. He looked fine and was really
enjoying (I mean, IF human being actually can enjoy giving a BIG number
of autographs to fans) himself, considering the sign-here-situation.

Because of long lines we had a veeery tiny two-minute conversation, but
on the other hand, I already knew quite a bit of him, thanks to this
mailing-list, so I didn't have much to ask. Anyway it was great to see
him in pure Flesh&Blood(tm).

Before me there was this guy who had Finnish Donald Duck with Don's
'birthday' story in it, and Don immediately noticed that he didn't have
that issue. (So Mike, did you have a chance to give the issues you
collected to Don?)

Saturday I was attending the convention. The editors of Aku Ankka mainly
asked Don the questions I already knew ansewers of, so there wasn't
anything 'special' (for ME) there. After the interview it was: signing time!
For me it was home and sleep.

Sunday morning Don demonstrated his drawing style to the audience.
I had already figured (according to this list) that Don's
drawing style is really weird, but I didn't think it could
be THAT weird. I think it really is true that NOBODY draws comics
the way he does. I was amazedtoshock. After the 'demo' he moved forward
to start, yep, you guessed it, autographing...

I already had one signed book from thursday so I went to local comic-
shop's gallery. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the collection
of original Don Rosa art that was brought to here was a very wide
collection indeed. Gallery's walls were filled with (about) 50-pages
(That's 100 half-pages!) of story-art plus 15 covers. For example
'The King of the Klondike' was entirely there.

I must say that if meeting Don Rosa was a great thing then
seeing his original art was a great great thing. The pages were really
good-looking. Magnificent stuff. I have always thought that because the
comic-book pages are always smaller than the original art, that it helps
to hide some flaws in the original art. But in Don's case the original
pages are really 'ready' looking. Imagine the amount of detail! (Don't
even try to understand the amount of work needed to draw these pages.)
(For example, I think Carl Barks' art looks better in comic-book sized
format than in bigger album-sized format, due to the lack of tiny details.
And that is perfectly ok, cause Barks created the art for comic-book
size format.) I am very sure that Lo$ does look even better in 'Giant'-
sized format.

And somehow the lack of colours (that's no-colours-at-all in
English) didn't matter much. Don's art looks fine in plain B&W.

I wish I could buy even one of the pages, but as we all know,
"The Evil Imperium" takes care that doesn't happen.

/Mikko

---I-'-m---s-i-c-k---o-f---s-i-g-s---
Paula Heinonen
GEIR J. NETLAND:
>I don't think that this index is complete, so if anyone else
>have found MM appearances, let me know!

D 90147: "On Stolen Time"
pg. 3, panel 4 & 8

D 91192: "War of the Wendigo"
pg. 11, panel 7?

JYRKI VAINIO:
>Finland's Comic Society's magazine had
>picked up an panel from a Danish Duck story that had FOUR nephews
>in it. Does anyone know anything more?

To see the original panel, look up www address:
http://www.kaapeli.fi/‾sarjaks/sarjainfo/uutiset.html

--
Paula
Mike Pohjola
MIKKO:
> BTW, Mike, Did they actually print my name on the book? Feels stupid...

Yap. I got the impression that you were a good friend of the writer.

JYRKI:
Welcome to the list!

ALL:
At long last did Don Rosa visit Finland! He spent here five days and
should be on his way home about now. I met him on Saturday and Sunday and he
drew me a great big Yukon Scrooge with "a hellish expression: eyes gleeming
red with fire, showing his teeth" and broken furniture behind him. I asked him
if he had been to sauna (which is a Finnish invention) yet and he said he hadn't
'cause he only liked cool places. I can only guess that meaning him returning to
Finland soon...
The very first time I met him on Saturday was when he was giving
signatures and there was this looong line in waiting to get one. Everybody had
their name on a yellow piece of paper on the book so's he could dedicate the
book. When my turn came, he looked at the paper and said in amused tone: "Mike."
And I replied: "That's right. The Finnish Trekkie." So he looked up and said:
"You're Mike The Finnish Trekkie? Nice to meet you." And we talked and I gave
him some Finnish comics and a Scrooge piggy bank which the Fins can get for
free from a bank. He told me it could be sold at the price of 50$ in USA. We
chatted quite a lot and he got really mad when I told him that "Of Ducks and
Dimes and Destinies" was translated "The Tale of the Lucky Dime". Because that
is not what the coin is. It's the First one, yes, but Lucky? No.
Btw, does anybody know what Salmiakki is?

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Per Starback
Paula about that 4-nephew-panel:
> To see the original panel, look up www address:
> http://www.kaapeli.fi/‾sarjaks/sarjainfo/uutiset.html

I've seen it now! Remarkable panel, indeed! Too bad it doesn't say
what story it is from. Does anyone know? I couldn't read the
Finnish (and wondered what it said about Barks right above -- what
about Galerie Laquasta in Berlin?), and I couldn't find any email
address of the author, when I figured I would ask him where he got the
panel from.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
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Geir J. Netland
PAULA:
Thank you for the information on MM in "War of the Wendigo"
and "On stolen Time"!

Here's the corrected and hopfully complete list:
______________________________________________________

AR 116: "Rocket Reverie"
pg. 2, panel 5 (MM-planets)

AR 119: "Metaphorically Spanking"
pg. 10, panel 1

AR 125: "The Crocodile Collector"
pg. 9, panel 1 (I Don't know if this is supposed
to be THE mouse)

AR 145: "His Magesty McDuck"
pg. 7, panel 8

H 89174: "The Pied Paper"
pg. 7, panel 1

D 90147: "On Stolen time"
pg. 3, panels 3 & 8 (but also on other WATCH-appearances)

D 91192: "War of the Wendigo"
pg. 11, panel 7
pg. 23, last panel

D 93574: "The Duck who never Was"
pg. 4, panel 6 & 9

D 94012: "Treasury of Croesus"
pg. 1, panel 3: (a mouse with MM shorts)
pg. 2, panel 7: (a chicken with MM ears)
pg. 18, panel 5

D 94066: "The universal Solvent"
pg. 3, panel 1 & 2 (MM-robot)

D 94144: "Lost Charts"
pg. 3, panel 1
pg. 19, panel 7

D 94202: "The incredible Shrink Tightwad"
pg. 23, panel 4
______________________________

Life & Times of $McDuck:

Part 4:
pg. 12, panel 6

Part 6:
pg. 6, panel 1

Part 7:
pg. 6, panel 5

Some of these appearances have been removed in some countries.

---------------
Geir J. Netland
---------------
Paula Heinonen
Per Starback <starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> wrote...
>> http://www.kaapeli.fi/‾sarjaks/sarjainfo/uutiset.html
>I've seen it now! Remarkable panel, indeed! Too bad it doesn't say
>what story it is from. Does anyone know?

The text given above for the Barks panel reads:
This Barks half-page original was stolen from the Galerie Laqua [sp?] in
Berlin a couple of months back [no date given?]. The Galerie has asked
collectors to be alert if they are offered the stolen goods.

The text for the four-nephew panel reads:
Occasionally the attention of even the most vigilant company falters: one of
the blackest moments for the danish Disney comics producer company Egmont
must have been this panel, where we have Donald, Scrooge, Huey, Dewey, Louie
and... and who? No, it isn't the first appearance of Phewey, a duckling with
a sequestered childhood, but a simple error in the part of the artist.
Surmising from the style, the innumerate duck-artist is the spaniard Torres.

The most amazing thing of course is that the panel got through Egmont's
controls and appeared at least in the danish edition. But has the story been
published in the Finnish-language Donald Duck? Do any of our readers
remember the adventure and was the panel corrected in the Finnish edition?

-- Paula
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