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Hello!

SOEREN: the curled piece of paper carried in the english version the
titel of the story "His Majesty, McDuck " and the empty frame had originally some
coins in it.

ALL:
This weeks German Micky Maus Magazine showes a really good example
how many silly things can be done to a rosa story without changing
the art.
Graphical:
1. First of all the empty frame ("all mine" and the empty paper on the opening
panel.( The titel is written above the panel) make the first panel
really look unfinished....

2. Panel 6, Page 9 (inside the cornelius Coot Library) the room was
supposed to be darker with lights from the windows falling on the
floor. And what have they done???
The whole floor is bright white and only the outlines of the
shadows are seen. It really looks quite obscure and the reader
doesn t see the purpose of that lines.

Contents:
they have erased all real historical context in that story, all the
important historical references have been substituted with imaginary
things
Francis Drake ----- Marco Molo (Marco Polo)
spain(?) ------ Tranzosen (Franzosen- French)
British ----- Hachsen (Sachsen - part of Germany)
....
that leads the story to a "more" "European" context but I can t help
feeling that this was nothing good they did to Don s Story
And I hope they will redo the Text and hopefully a little bit of the
art for the German Album Series

DON:
If Ehapa should contact you sometimes...please give them some hints
how they can improve the story for the Album Series!!!

Merry Christmas to everyone

MI(c)KE(y)

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End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #280
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CHRISTER:
So... the Italian reprint of "From Duckburg to Lillehammer" used the correct
place-names after all! Thanks for clearing that up.

MIKE SCH.:
Hm... but the German reprint of "His Majesty McDuck" didn't fare so well,
eh? I'm VERY glad that you point such things out to me, otherwise I'd never
know the difference. I can mention that story the next time I contact Ehapa
and see when they plan to use it in that "Don Rosa Album" series... it may
already be too late. But if not, they would have no reason not to correct
the script since they reletter (but ... sigh... not recolor) all the weekly
stories for their albums.
Yes, it's sad, sad, sad that they retitle all the authentic historical and
geographical names with nonsense-names. It's not so much an insult to the
writer (since we have no claim on our stories in this system) but, in my
opinion, it shows contempt for the readers' intelligence.
But, accepting the fact that some publishers have a policy of using
nonsense-names for all actual historical/geographical titles... still, when
you put a cute name on Sir Francis Drake, how does one arrive at Marco Molo?
Oh... I guess they were forcefully changing the story's location from
America to Europe... and Drake didn't explore any part of Europe. I guess
that makes sense. Well, what's the old saying? "I still say it tastes like
spinach, and I say to hell with it!" (Where does that come from?)

I don't know where that comes from, but I know where I'm going, and that's
on a vacation. "Hey, Don Rosa! You just finished writing and drawing the
special Uncle $crooge 50th Anniversary spectacular! Whatcha gonna do NOW?"
"Well, I ain't goin' THERE! That's fer sure!" But I am heading south for a
week. If another Digest for me to possibly respond to doesn't appear within
24 hours, then the next time I'll be able to answer any questions or
comments will be about Dec. 29. Merry Christmas to everyone... unless you're
a Jehovah's Witness, in which case, have a Nice Wednesday.

STEVEN ROWE writting about "scribbles"

> Which is a very common way of writing comics. The late Carl Wessler once
> sent me a prepared page from Harvey with the panels laid out, waiting for the
> writers to draw. Harvey Kurtzman and Archie Goodwin write this way also. As
> mdo many of the classic 40s and 50s guys.
>
> Acturally, Byron; I thought that most Disney writers still used this method.
> Or are you meaning something else by "Scribbles"? If you do mean what I
> thought you did; what percentage of Disney writers write that way?

I did mean what you thought I meant, unless you thought I meant what I
didn't mean.

>A-hem!< For anyone who doesn't have a clue what we're talking about, I suggest you check out the Uncle Scrooge home page for examples of Don Rosa's scribble scripts. (Yep! *That's* what I meant!)

But as to the question at hand, we have about 45 freelance writers, and
near as I can figure, 6 of them scribble out their scripts, would I
guess would make the percentage about 13. I think I once heard that the
Dutch demand that all their writers do scribble roughs, but I won't
absolutely swear to it. And I know some Italian writers also do
scribbles, but some don't and I don't have a clue what the percentage
would be.

A side note -- I don't know about Archie Goodwin, but the only
*non*-Disney writer I've ever worked with who did scribbles was Mike
Baron. Everyone else actually wrote picture descriptions (and you
haven't understood the word "complicated" properly until you've read an
Alan Moore script -- check out the collected "Watchmen").

Another side note regarding Harvey Kurtzman -- since he *was* Harvey
Kurtzman, his layouts were by definition perfect and none of the artists
could have improved on them. But did you know that John Severin, for
example, *hated* them because he felt they reduced him to the role of
Harvey Kurtzman's drawing machine? (And by the way, Wessler wrote full
scripts. So did Al Feldstein, although he did it differently than anyone
else--but if you want to know more about that, find an EC discussion
group as an explanation would be too long and too off topic for this
list.)

*My* opinion on scribbles is that they should only be done by people who
can actually *draw*. That doesn't mean people who can draw well enough
to be *published*, but those who at least have an artist's sense of
picture composition and storytelling dynamics, etc. I always think that
a *bad* scribble confuses an artist in much the same way that a bad
translation confuses a writer who's trying to correct it. In the latter
case, it's hard to think of the right words when the wrong ones have
been placed in your brain. Extrapolating from that, I assume that once
an artist sees the picture from the wrong angle, it's awfully hard to
disregard it completely and recompose it correctly -- the old image
keeps getting in the way.

As far as *good* scribbles go, they're certainly a better way for a
writer to communicate to an artist exactly what's on his mind. The old
adage that "one picture's worth a thousand words" is true, and I know
from experience that it's downright difficult to take the picture I see
in my brain and communicate it to an artist through words. But I choose
to use words not because I can't draw (I can't really, but I could fake
it well enough), but because words work better for me. And sometimes, an
artist like Ferioli will read my words and draw me a picture *better*
than the one I imagined.

Which brings me to what I think is the key to the entire process of
creating comics: there ain't no right way or wrong way, there's only the
way that *works*.

Last aside note -- just as with John Severin, some Disney artists *hate*
scribbles for the same reason he did. Which is why we tell our artists
to feel free to change them *if* they can think of a *better* way to
compose the panel.

-- Byron "he must be avoiding doing what he really should be doing
because he's spending so much time on this answer" Erickson

On Dec 19, 11:20am, Marc Chapman wrote:
> Subject: U$A 35, Temple of Khaos
>

> I have been re-reading my Uncle $crooge Adventures and came
> across #35 - Temple of Khaos...In the story, $crooge and the boys
> travel to Egypt to find the Temple and get a guide named Kheno
> Ben Rhosa! This is way too close to Keno Don Rosa to be a
> coincidence. Can anyone (Don?) fill me (us) in on the details?
> Thanks much
>
That's funny. The guide isn't called that in the original.
I think this is a case where the Evil Translator has been
at his nefarious work.

--Dwight Decker

Regarding reprints of Don's stuff that's already been published in the
US:

In the case of Don's material that is available in both serialized and
'novel-length' form - I'd like to see the reprints in the other form!

It'd give us 'old-timers' something different than exactly what we've
already seen. At some point in the future, I expect reprints of Don's
current WDC&S stories, and it'd be nice to see the different way the
story was handled.

--

Bill Wormstedt
(Email removed)

The first installment of $crooges adventures with
the Dalton brothers was in the Christmas issue of
Donald Duck & Co (no. 52) here and a great gift
it was from Don to all of us. As usual it required
several readings to get all the gags, but the story
looks great and I look forward to the next issues.

But two questions. In a panel on the second page
the horse is thinking about something that looks like
a cross between a carrot and a shish-kebab. It is
not clear from the text what this refers to - did the
translators miss something? Or did I (see below)?

And second: Scrooge recognizes the name of the
Indian - I did not. Have I missed or forgotten something
in my old age (52) or Will Things Be Revealed?

Even

Even Flood, Senior Research Librarian
Norwegian DIANE Center, Technical University Library of Norway
N 7034 Trondheim, Norway. Phone: +47 73 59 51 62, Fax +47 73 59 60 97
(Email removed)
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"Come, and take choice of all my library, and so beguile thy sorrow."
(Shakespeare)

I m not online for 2 weeks now (winter/christmas holidays) so i wish you
all a

MERRY XMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!

I hope 1997 has good Disney related events for us...

Bye, Uli

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