I'm leaving literally in about one hour... but I saw these questions from Even:
>From: Even Flood <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: $crooge and the Daltons epic
>
>The first installment of $crooges adventures with
>the Dalton brothers was in the Christmas issue of
>Donald Duck & Co (no. 52) here and a great gift
>it was from Don to all of us. As usual it required
>several readings to get all the gags, but the story
>looks great and I look forward to the next issues.
>
>But two questions. In a panel on the second page
>the horse is thinking about something that looks like
>a cross between a carrot and a shish-kebab. It is
>not clear from the text what this refers to - did the
>translators miss something? Or did I (see below)?
I understand that ALL the translators missed this. It was supposed to be a
scraggly carrot with a question mark. The horse was wondering if someone was
gonna feed him. But whenever I put a question mark anywhere, even in one of
those itty-bitty bubbles comin' out of a gnat or something, somebody at
Egmont whites it out as part of their job. Byron doesn't know that they'll
do this, so he doesn't include a replacement of such punctuation in his
official script. And when something doesn't appear in the official script,
the translators don't see it missing even if it's obvious. That's why you'll
often see empty bubbles or signs in my stories. They weren't empty when they
left my hands. This is the work of the "Not Evil But Having Breakdowns in
Their Lines of Communications Translators". This doesn't reflect on the
writers or artists, but this IS the sort of stuff that leads readers to see
these comics as "assembly line" products.
Anyway, in this case, it will look like the horse is thinking about a carrot
with a blank space behind it... and when the question mark doesn't appear,
it makes it rather meaningless and confusing.
>And second: Scrooge recognizes the name of the
>Indian - I did not. Have I missed or forgotten something
>in my old age (52) or Will Things Be Revealed?
If you were a real Old West expert, you would have recognized that very
famous Indian, but you're not expected to. It's actually hoped that you
WON'T. But his identity will be revealed in part 3. This ASSUMES that one of
those "Not Evil But Darn Close Translators" didn't take it upon himself to
change the names of all the actual people and places that are throughout
that entire adventure. I guess, from what Mike Sch. says, the German
editions will change ALL those names and reduce the significance of
everything that happens in that entire story to rubble, but we'll wait and see.
Now, I am gone.
Author
Topic: 199612
(181 messages)
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V96 #281
Message 136 -
1996-12-20 at 17:22:51
Christer Hanssen
Disney comics Digest V96 #281
Message 137 -
1996-12-20 at 17:43:31
MARCO B.:
>Mmmh... so "I hereby thank Freezer City for her welcome" spoken by the Mayor
>(note that <Freezer City> is not translated from Italian, it's IN ENGLISH in
>"Zio Paperone"!) should have been "I hereby thank Whatsthename Hotel for its
>welcome", huh?
In the norwegian version it says something like: "As your mayor I wish you
welcome to Whatsthename Hotel!" The panel-box says that they are gathered in
the mountain above the city, which is Duckburg from which all come from. Any
clearer?
>Yes, this part of the story takes place at the skijump arena. But... should
>the caption say, as it does, <And so, in Lysgardsbakken, home of the olympic
>flame...>
In norwegian "in Lysgardsbakken" is correct, but I don't know in english and
it is not the home of the olympic flame, which is in Greek, but "where the
olympic flame burns..."
~Christer - "There he goes - trying to get out of his share of work!"
>Mmmh... so "I hereby thank Freezer City for her welcome" spoken by the Mayor
>(note that <Freezer City> is not translated from Italian, it's IN ENGLISH in
>"Zio Paperone"!) should have been "I hereby thank Whatsthename Hotel for its
>welcome", huh?
In the norwegian version it says something like: "As your mayor I wish you
welcome to Whatsthename Hotel!" The panel-box says that they are gathered in
the mountain above the city, which is Duckburg from which all come from. Any
clearer?
>Yes, this part of the story takes place at the skijump arena. But... should
>the caption say, as it does, <And so, in Lysgardsbakken, home of the olympic
>flame...>
In norwegian "in Lysgardsbakken" is correct, but I don't know in english and
it is not the home of the olympic flame, which is in Greek, but "where the
olympic flame burns..."
~Christer - "There he goes - trying to get out of his share of work!"
Fluks
22:01 1996
Message 138 -
1996-12-20 at 22:01:33
Michael "Namen":
> I've finally cataloged all of these Gold Key Disney
If that also means you have *indexed* them all (i.e. described the
contents of the comics in detail), then I'm very interested (as always)!
--Harry.
Disney comics Database coordinator
> I've finally cataloged all of these Gold Key Disney
If that also means you have *indexed* them all (i.e. described the
contents of the comics in detail), then I'm very interested (as always)!
--Harry.
Disney comics Database coordinator
Daniel Van Eijmeren
The Unexpurgated Carl Barks
Message 139 -
1996-12-21 at 02:48:06
Hi!
This is what I found on the Gladstone-pages. I haven't seen it mentioned/
discussed here, so that's why I took the risk to forward it.
The press-release from the Barks Studio is not included here, since it's
a GIF-file, but I think Bruce Hamilton's answer is clear enough to make
clear what's in it. If not, then check the Gladstone-pages.
(BTW. This forwarded file is manually 'translated' to ASCII, I hope I did
it right.)
I'm very curious to see this book in the shops!
Greetings,
--- Daniel
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
PRESS RELEASE
"The Unexpurgated Carl Barks"
This is an important press release that we encourage every Carl Barks
enthusiast to read. However, for anyone who wishes to go straight on to
The Unexpurgated Carl Barks pages, click here.
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Half truths and untruths in a Press Release issued by the Carl Barks
Studio on Friday, November 1, have compelled a response from Bruce
Hamilton of Another Rainbow/Gladstone/The Bruce Hamilton Company.
An edited portion of the Press Release and an edited version of the
response will appear in The Comics Buyer's Guide shortly. The Barks
Studio, however, has widely circulated the original Press Release, a
complete reprint of which follows, along with Hamilton's full response:
"Carl Barks Studio Press Release"
[gif-file]
RESPONSE FROM BRUCE HAMILTON:
Another Rainbow/Gladstone/The Bruce Hamilton Company has profound respect
for the integrity of the full body of the life's work of Carl Barks and
it has always been our goal to print everything we can that he has done
and we are as close to that goal as we'll ever get. The Unexpurgated Carl
Barks is the missing link. We know for a fact that a similar book is in
the works in Europe, but outs will hit the market first and there is now
doubt in our minds whatsoever that ours will be by far the best.
Our trade paperback will reprint approximately 160 drawings from 1928 to
1936, including what we believe to be the first cartoon Barks drew for
The Calgary Eye-Opener. These were selected from a collection of nearly
twice as many and are, of course, the best. The book offers tremendous
insights into the breadth of the man's abilities, humor and intellect.
Many precursors of ideas that carried over into his animation days and
later into his comic books originated in the Eye-Opener.
Noted writer/artist Art Spiegelman has graciously accepted an invitation
to write an Introduction to The Unexpurgated Carl Barks, and has been
provided a complete set of the drawings and accompanying text that will
appear in the book.
The Unexpurgated Carl Barks is a truthful, penetrating and comprehensive
overview of his early works, lovingly put together. In no way should
anyone -- not our company, nor the Barks Studio, nor his fans, nor even
Carl himself, feel a need to apologize or to be disheartened by this
inclusion of the first chapter of his varied career. There certainly is
"no lack of recognition."
The Barks Studio Press Release makes claims that are misleading. The end
of our "relationship" was certainly not of our choosing. Shortly after
the Barks Studio was established we met with all principals, including
Barks himself, on two occasions in a spirit of cooperative association
to continue to work together. It was the Studio who chose to cut off
communications.
Two direct communications from Carl Barks himself, however, have been
received that seem bear out the desire by the Studio to terminate any
relationship. One was a letter from Barks claiming that we should have
been paying him up to 50% royalties on product of his that we'd produced
in the past. The other came recently: a request to dissociate from us
completely, as he has found exploring other venues to be "more
profitable."
The Another Rainbow lithograph program was not "ended by Disney in 1994."
The Barks Studio asked Disney to end it and we were written a letter
asking that we not produce any more lithographs to put on the shelf for
future release. As we explained to Disney at the time, we had already
perceived Barks had no further interest in signing more AR prints and we
had already stopped. Our current inventory -- still under a full and
active license -- will run till the year 2001 and will not end even then,
should we decide to slow down our current pace of releasing three new
lithographs each year.
The Barks Studio Press Release claims that Russ Cochran "brought Barks to
this lithograph project in 1981." That is not true. Cochran and I together
acquired the first license from Disney to the book The Fine Art of Walt
Disney's Donald Duck. After that book was published -- and in the
prescence of four Disney top-level executives -- I, alone, proposed and
secured the lithograph license.
The Studio's description of The Unexpurgated Carl Barks as being a "new
X-rated comic album book" could not be further from the truth. It is true
that a percentage of the gags are not "polically correct' by 1990's public
mores, but they were acceptable when originally published and any
apologies, explanation, justifications, or waffling today would simply be
to deny history. We think the public will be delighted with the book, will
find it funny, charming, even enlightening. It does not -- repeat: not --
in any way cast dispersions on Barks or paint him in an unfavorable light.
Nonetheless, it is a book for adults, as we clearly stipulate in our
advertising.
The Press Release describes our book, which the Studio has not seen, as
being "of naked women." This is a gross distortion. Of the 169+ drawings,
three contain nudes: one of mermaid, tastefully drawn; another with the
women's backs turned that I wouldn't hesitate to show my eight-year-old
grandson; and one with tiny, unrecognizable figures a half inch tall.
Hardly raunchy stuff.
And, just to set other claims straight: Barks was *not* the editor of the
Eye-Opener; he was *not* the sole staff artist; and the drawings were
*not* "inked by Barks in half-tones," as suggested (one does not even ever
ink "in half-tones"; that's a camera or computer process for printing).
They were line drawings that were not printed in color because the Eye-
Opener couldn't afford to, not that they wouldn't have preferred to.
As the appear in The Unexpurgated Carl Barks, they have never looked so
good!
To quote the different publications that have previously reprinted Eye-
Opener cartoons is to suggest that everybody has seen them all. If that
were true, which it is not, why all the fuss? In actuality, we estimate
even the most serious collectors have never seen 95% of the 800 or more
that appeared.
We are not paying Barks royalties because he and the Studio have
dissassociated themselves from us. Since all material is in the public
domain we have rights, as to the Europeans, to reprint all they or we
want. Barks has also become -- thanks in large part to our efforts thare
are no longer recognized by the Studio -- a public figure, which entitles
us to recognize him as the source of this great and important work. Quotes
in the book are taken from previously published sources.
We hope enthusiasm will be high enough to allow us to come out with a
second volume!
Bruce Hamilton
November 1, 1996
On to The Unexpurgated Carl Barks pages!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Hot Stuff!
THE UNEXPURGATED CARL BARKS
This is the gorgeous, full color book collectors have been waiting twenty
years to see!
Here are approximately 120 of the best, the funniest, the most outrageous
cartoons drawn between 1928 and 1936 by Carl Barks for the Minneapolis-
based "girlie" magazine, The Calgary Eye-Opener! Single black and white
copies -- perhaps with only two or three pieces by Barks -- have been
selling on the collector's market for $25.00 to $75.00 apiece for years.
Nothing like The Unexpurgated Carl Barks has ever been assembled before!
A few isolated drawings have appeared in various publications and comics
from time to time, but most of these selections have been reprinted
without captions or because they were tame. Not so, in The Unexpurgated
Carl Barks! Every gag shown has been chosen by a committee of fans for
quality in art, ideas, presentation and humor... warts and all, you might
say! Topics not taboo in those days were treated with gentle humor or with
no punches pulled... but all in good fun! The following examples are
provided for your perusal:
Corns (66K) / Rooster (99K) / Looser (83K) / Roto (99K)
*Warning!* There are cartoons in The Unexpurgated Carl Barks that some
readers today might find offensive and if a reader is sensitive to
"politically correct" issues today, they should not order the book.
Parents will not want to order it for the very young. But all adults
who are capable of putting the times these were drawn into correct
historical perspective should order a copy! In short, it's hilarious!
And it contains the *first* animation art by Carl Barks ever published!
68 pages in full color /6" x 9" trade paperback format /$9.95 retail
($23.95 Canadian)
Our Special Prepublication Offer is Imminent!
This site and all contents not
otherwise indicated are
TM and (c) The Bruce Hamilton Company
If you have any inquiries, comments,
or problems concerning this site,
please e-mail the webmaster.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
This is what I found on the Gladstone-pages. I haven't seen it mentioned/
discussed here, so that's why I took the risk to forward it.
The press-release from the Barks Studio is not included here, since it's
a GIF-file, but I think Bruce Hamilton's answer is clear enough to make
clear what's in it. If not, then check the Gladstone-pages.
(BTW. This forwarded file is manually 'translated' to ASCII, I hope I did
it right.)
I'm very curious to see this book in the shops!
Greetings,
--- Daniel
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
PRESS RELEASE
"The Unexpurgated Carl Barks"
This is an important press release that we encourage every Carl Barks
enthusiast to read. However, for anyone who wishes to go straight on to
The Unexpurgated Carl Barks pages, click here.
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Half truths and untruths in a Press Release issued by the Carl Barks
Studio on Friday, November 1, have compelled a response from Bruce
Hamilton of Another Rainbow/Gladstone/The Bruce Hamilton Company.
An edited portion of the Press Release and an edited version of the
response will appear in The Comics Buyer's Guide shortly. The Barks
Studio, however, has widely circulated the original Press Release, a
complete reprint of which follows, along with Hamilton's full response:
"Carl Barks Studio Press Release"
[gif-file]
RESPONSE FROM BRUCE HAMILTON:
Another Rainbow/Gladstone/The Bruce Hamilton Company has profound respect
for the integrity of the full body of the life's work of Carl Barks and
it has always been our goal to print everything we can that he has done
and we are as close to that goal as we'll ever get. The Unexpurgated Carl
Barks is the missing link. We know for a fact that a similar book is in
the works in Europe, but outs will hit the market first and there is now
doubt in our minds whatsoever that ours will be by far the best.
Our trade paperback will reprint approximately 160 drawings from 1928 to
1936, including what we believe to be the first cartoon Barks drew for
The Calgary Eye-Opener. These were selected from a collection of nearly
twice as many and are, of course, the best. The book offers tremendous
insights into the breadth of the man's abilities, humor and intellect.
Many precursors of ideas that carried over into his animation days and
later into his comic books originated in the Eye-Opener.
Noted writer/artist Art Spiegelman has graciously accepted an invitation
to write an Introduction to The Unexpurgated Carl Barks, and has been
provided a complete set of the drawings and accompanying text that will
appear in the book.
The Unexpurgated Carl Barks is a truthful, penetrating and comprehensive
overview of his early works, lovingly put together. In no way should
anyone -- not our company, nor the Barks Studio, nor his fans, nor even
Carl himself, feel a need to apologize or to be disheartened by this
inclusion of the first chapter of his varied career. There certainly is
"no lack of recognition."
The Barks Studio Press Release makes claims that are misleading. The end
of our "relationship" was certainly not of our choosing. Shortly after
the Barks Studio was established we met with all principals, including
Barks himself, on two occasions in a spirit of cooperative association
to continue to work together. It was the Studio who chose to cut off
communications.
Two direct communications from Carl Barks himself, however, have been
received that seem bear out the desire by the Studio to terminate any
relationship. One was a letter from Barks claiming that we should have
been paying him up to 50% royalties on product of his that we'd produced
in the past. The other came recently: a request to dissociate from us
completely, as he has found exploring other venues to be "more
profitable."
The Another Rainbow lithograph program was not "ended by Disney in 1994."
The Barks Studio asked Disney to end it and we were written a letter
asking that we not produce any more lithographs to put on the shelf for
future release. As we explained to Disney at the time, we had already
perceived Barks had no further interest in signing more AR prints and we
had already stopped. Our current inventory -- still under a full and
active license -- will run till the year 2001 and will not end even then,
should we decide to slow down our current pace of releasing three new
lithographs each year.
The Barks Studio Press Release claims that Russ Cochran "brought Barks to
this lithograph project in 1981." That is not true. Cochran and I together
acquired the first license from Disney to the book The Fine Art of Walt
Disney's Donald Duck. After that book was published -- and in the
prescence of four Disney top-level executives -- I, alone, proposed and
secured the lithograph license.
The Studio's description of The Unexpurgated Carl Barks as being a "new
X-rated comic album book" could not be further from the truth. It is true
that a percentage of the gags are not "polically correct' by 1990's public
mores, but they were acceptable when originally published and any
apologies, explanation, justifications, or waffling today would simply be
to deny history. We think the public will be delighted with the book, will
find it funny, charming, even enlightening. It does not -- repeat: not --
in any way cast dispersions on Barks or paint him in an unfavorable light.
Nonetheless, it is a book for adults, as we clearly stipulate in our
advertising.
The Press Release describes our book, which the Studio has not seen, as
being "of naked women." This is a gross distortion. Of the 169+ drawings,
three contain nudes: one of mermaid, tastefully drawn; another with the
women's backs turned that I wouldn't hesitate to show my eight-year-old
grandson; and one with tiny, unrecognizable figures a half inch tall.
Hardly raunchy stuff.
And, just to set other claims straight: Barks was *not* the editor of the
Eye-Opener; he was *not* the sole staff artist; and the drawings were
*not* "inked by Barks in half-tones," as suggested (one does not even ever
ink "in half-tones"; that's a camera or computer process for printing).
They were line drawings that were not printed in color because the Eye-
Opener couldn't afford to, not that they wouldn't have preferred to.
As the appear in The Unexpurgated Carl Barks, they have never looked so
good!
To quote the different publications that have previously reprinted Eye-
Opener cartoons is to suggest that everybody has seen them all. If that
were true, which it is not, why all the fuss? In actuality, we estimate
even the most serious collectors have never seen 95% of the 800 or more
that appeared.
We are not paying Barks royalties because he and the Studio have
dissassociated themselves from us. Since all material is in the public
domain we have rights, as to the Europeans, to reprint all they or we
want. Barks has also become -- thanks in large part to our efforts thare
are no longer recognized by the Studio -- a public figure, which entitles
us to recognize him as the source of this great and important work. Quotes
in the book are taken from previously published sources.
We hope enthusiasm will be high enough to allow us to come out with a
second volume!
Bruce Hamilton
November 1, 1996
On to The Unexpurgated Carl Barks pages!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Hot Stuff!
THE UNEXPURGATED CARL BARKS
This is the gorgeous, full color book collectors have been waiting twenty
years to see!
Here are approximately 120 of the best, the funniest, the most outrageous
cartoons drawn between 1928 and 1936 by Carl Barks for the Minneapolis-
based "girlie" magazine, The Calgary Eye-Opener! Single black and white
copies -- perhaps with only two or three pieces by Barks -- have been
selling on the collector's market for $25.00 to $75.00 apiece for years.
Nothing like The Unexpurgated Carl Barks has ever been assembled before!
A few isolated drawings have appeared in various publications and comics
from time to time, but most of these selections have been reprinted
without captions or because they were tame. Not so, in The Unexpurgated
Carl Barks! Every gag shown has been chosen by a committee of fans for
quality in art, ideas, presentation and humor... warts and all, you might
say! Topics not taboo in those days were treated with gentle humor or with
no punches pulled... but all in good fun! The following examples are
provided for your perusal:
Corns (66K) / Rooster (99K) / Looser (83K) / Roto (99K)
*Warning!* There are cartoons in The Unexpurgated Carl Barks that some
readers today might find offensive and if a reader is sensitive to
"politically correct" issues today, they should not order the book.
Parents will not want to order it for the very young. But all adults
who are capable of putting the times these were drawn into correct
historical perspective should order a copy! In short, it's hilarious!
And it contains the *first* animation art by Carl Barks ever published!
68 pages in full color /6" x 9" trade paperback format /$9.95 retail
($23.95 Canadian)
Our Special Prepublication Offer is Imminent!
This site and all contents not
otherwise indicated are
TM and (c) The Bruce Hamilton Company
If you have any inquiries, comments,
or problems concerning this site,
please e-mail the webmaster.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Vsaari
Mikki Maus
Message 140 -
1996-12-21 at 03:34:32
In article <(Email removed)> (Email removed) (Frank Fabian) writes:
> I don't speak Russian, but I know how to transliterate Cyrillic characters.
> The title you give, MNKKN MAYC, transliterates as "Mikki Maus", because that
> backward "N" is actually a Russian "i" (not an "e").
Actually it depends on what language you are transliterating to. Although
English, German, French, Finnish etc. all use the latin alphabet, they use
it differently. Letters look the same but have different meanings, so when
cyrillic is transliterated to latin alphabet, the result depends on how
the different sounds are mapped to letters in the language of those people
for whom the transliteration is aimed to.
Du ju andöständ tis kaind of Inglis? It was English transliterated to
Finnish.
--
Ville Saari EMail: (Email removed)
Tallbergin puistotie 7 B 21 Phone: +358 9 682 2226
00200 Helsinki
FINLAND /dev/null: write failed, file system is full
> I don't speak Russian, but I know how to transliterate Cyrillic characters.
> The title you give, MNKKN MAYC, transliterates as "Mikki Maus", because that
> backward "N" is actually a Russian "i" (not an "e").
Actually it depends on what language you are transliterating to. Although
English, German, French, Finnish etc. all use the latin alphabet, they use
it differently. Letters look the same but have different meanings, so when
cyrillic is transliterated to latin alphabet, the result depends on how
the different sounds are mapped to letters in the language of those people
for whom the transliteration is aimed to.
Du ju andöständ tis kaind of Inglis? It was English transliterated to
Finnish.
--
Ville Saari EMail: (Email removed)
Tallbergin puistotie 7 B 21 Phone: +358 9 682 2226
00200 Helsinki
FINLAND /dev/null: write failed, file system is full
Fluks
Information wanted about Gyro's helper ("Lampje")
Message 141 -
1996-12-21 at 12:32:55
Last week, Fred Vermeulen from the magazine "Blad" called me
and asked me if I had information about Gyro's helper ("Lampje" in Dutch).
He is doing an article about an award in the form of a light bulb, and
he wants to link it to the Helper. I already gave him some information,
like his first appearance in the USA, the fact that he can't talk
and that he "eats" batteries.
Any other ("encyclopedic") information about this character is greatly
appreciated. I'm especially interested in his first appearance in Holland.
Were there other light bulbs in te comics (e.g. a female Helper)?
Fred had already found the Disney comics web page (with a.o. the helper's
name in various languages).
Thanks,
--Harry Fluks.
and asked me if I had information about Gyro's helper ("Lampje" in Dutch).
He is doing an article about an award in the form of a light bulb, and
he wants to link it to the Helper. I already gave him some information,
like his first appearance in the USA, the fact that he can't talk
and that he "eats" batteries.
Any other ("encyclopedic") information about this character is greatly
appreciated. I'm especially interested in his first appearance in Holland.
Were there other light bulbs in te comics (e.g. a female Helper)?
Fred had already found the Disney comics web page (with a.o. the helper's
name in various languages).
Thanks,
--Harry Fluks.
Wilmer Rivers
Gyro's helper
Message 142 -
1996-12-22 at 03:48:10
Harry writes:
> Last week, Fred Vermeulen from the magazine "Blad" called me and asked
> me if I had information about Gyro's helper ("Lampje" in Dutch).
> He is doing an article about an award in the form of a light bulb, and
> he wants to link it to the Helper. I already gave him some information,
> like his first appearance in the USA, the fact that he can't talk
> and that he "eats" batteries.
>
Did you point out the interesting information that the way to de-magnetize
him is to unscrew his head?
Wilmer Rivers
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #282
******************************************
> Last week, Fred Vermeulen from the magazine "Blad" called me and asked
> me if I had information about Gyro's helper ("Lampje" in Dutch).
> He is doing an article about an award in the form of a light bulb, and
> he wants to link it to the Helper. I already gave him some information,
> like his first appearance in the USA, the fact that he can't talk
> and that he "eats" batteries.
>
Did you point out the interesting information that the way to de-magnetize
him is to unscrew his head?
Wilmer Rivers
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #282
******************************************
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V96 #282
Message 143 -
1996-12-22 at 13:34:09
CHRISTER:
> In norwegian "in Lysgardsbakken" is correct, but I don't know in english and
> it is not the home of the olympic flame, which is in Greek, but "where the
> olympic flame burns..."
The olympic flame is only lit in Greece. It immediately starts its journey to
wherever the games are being held, where it stays lit for the duration of the
games. Thus, although the flame's origin is always in Greece, one could argue
that its "home" is wherever the games are being held. In this sense, the last
time the flame's home was in Greece was in 1896.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Selective retribution will bring any dissident to heel."
-----
> In norwegian "in Lysgardsbakken" is correct, but I don't know in english and
> it is not the home of the olympic flame, which is in Greek, but "where the
> olympic flame burns..."
The olympic flame is only lit in Greece. It immediately starts its journey to
wherever the games are being held, where it stays lit for the duration of the
games. Thus, although the flame's origin is always in Greece, one could argue
that its "home" is wherever the games are being held. In this sense, the last
time the flame's home was in Greece was in 1896.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Selective retribution will bring any dissident to heel."
-----
Dave Rawson
Ready Kilowatt
Message 144 -
1996-12-22 at 22:49:54
Fluks <(Email removed)>:
Were there other light bulbs in te comics (e.g. a female Helper)?
A very popular and widely known character was Ready Kilowatt, an
emblematic spokesman for the Edison Company distributed to school
children though comics to educate them about household electricty.
Possibly others here can speak more about his origin and use. While not
as cool as the Bell Labs info-animations (about the weather and such),
he endured for more than a generation of school children, as I recall.
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
Were there other light bulbs in te comics (e.g. a female Helper)?
A very popular and widely known character was Ready Kilowatt, an
emblematic spokesman for the Edison Company distributed to school
children though comics to educate them about household electricty.
Possibly others here can speak more about his origin and use. While not
as cool as the Bell Labs info-animations (about the weather and such),
he endured for more than a generation of school children, as I recall.
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
Marco Barlotti
The unexpurgated... Gyro's helper
Message 145 -
1996-12-22 at 23:39:20
Daniel:
>
>"The Unexpurgated Carl Barks"
>
>68 pages in full color /6" x 9" trade paperback format /$9.95 retail
>($23.95 Canadian)
>
Is that possible? From $9.95 U.S.A. to $23.95 Canada ?
Please correct this if due.
Also: Could you give us the address of Gladstone's page where you found that
info?
WILMER:
>Subject: Information wanted about Gyro's helper ("Lampje")
>
>>
>Did you point out the interesting information that the way to de-magnetize
>him is to unscrew his head?
>
Wilmer, can you giver us reference for that info?
Marco
>
>"The Unexpurgated Carl Barks"
>
>68 pages in full color /6" x 9" trade paperback format /$9.95 retail
>($23.95 Canadian)
>
Is that possible? From $9.95 U.S.A. to $23.95 Canada ?
Please correct this if due.
Also: Could you give us the address of Gladstone's page where you found that
info?
WILMER:
>Subject: Information wanted about Gyro's helper ("Lampje")
>
>>
>Did you point out the interesting information that the way to de-magnetize
>him is to unscrew his head?
>
Wilmer, can you giver us reference for that info?
Marco
Daniel Van Eijmeren
The unexpurgated... Gyro's helper
Message 146 -
1996-12-23 at 01:04:40
MARCO BARLOTTI:
>>"The Unexpurgated Carl Barks"
> Could you give us the address of Gladstone's page where you found that
> info?
I found the adress as a link on Per's Disney Comics Web-page.
It's: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/gladstone
MARCO to WILMER RIVERS:
>> Subject: Information wanted about Gyro's helper ("Lampje")
>> Did you point out the interesting information that the way to de-
>> magnetize him is to unscrew his head?
> Wilmer, can you giver us reference for that info?
I think Wilmer is referring to a Barks story. This story is called
"Milktime Melodies" (OS 1047). Gyro helps Grandma on the farm because
a record she used to play for the cows at milking time got scratched.
The helper accidently gets magnetic and then attracts nails, making it
look like a porcupine. Gyro comes with this solution, but Grandma doesn't
agree (she thinks it would be very harsh to treat the helper that way).
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"Hooray! I'm cured! My mind doesn't hurt anymore!"
The Mad Musician, OG 11 --- Carl Barks
>>"The Unexpurgated Carl Barks"
> Could you give us the address of Gladstone's page where you found that
> info?
I found the adress as a link on Per's Disney Comics Web-page.
It's: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/gladstone
MARCO to WILMER RIVERS:
>> Subject: Information wanted about Gyro's helper ("Lampje")
>> Did you point out the interesting information that the way to de-
>> magnetize him is to unscrew his head?
> Wilmer, can you giver us reference for that info?
I think Wilmer is referring to a Barks story. This story is called
"Milktime Melodies" (OS 1047). Gyro helps Grandma on the farm because
a record she used to play for the cows at milking time got scratched.
The helper accidently gets magnetic and then attracts nails, making it
look like a porcupine. Gyro comes with this solution, but Grandma doesn't
agree (she thinks it would be very harsh to treat the helper that way).
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"Hooray! I'm cured! My mind doesn't hurt anymore!"
The Mad Musician, OG 11 --- Carl Barks
A8201960
HO HO HO
Message 147 -
1996-12-23 at 18:22:02
Merry Christmas to all you physics- (and nonsense) loving people on
this list!
Harald
__
o<8;-)__)
(this Santa best viewed with "arial" or "times new roman" - (c) H.H.)
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Is there a Santa Claus? - An Engineering Analysis
1. No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species
of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are
insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer
which only Santa has ever seen.
2. There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT
since Santa doesn't (appear to) handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and
Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the total - 378
million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average
(census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes.
One presumes there's at least one good child in each.
3. Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the
different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels
east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per
second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good
children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh,
jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining
presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up
the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house.
Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed
around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the
purpose of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about
0.78 miles per household, a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not
counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31
hours, plus feeding and so forth. This means that Santa's sleigh is
moving at 650 miles per second, 3000 times the speed of sound. For
purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the
Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second - a
conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour.
4. The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element.
Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized Lego set
(2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who
is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer
can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer"
(see point #1) could pull TEN TIMES the normal amount, we cannot do the
job with eight, or even nine. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases
the payload - not even counting the weight of the sleigh - to 353,430
tons. Again, for comparison - this is four times the weight of the
Queen Elizabeth.
5. 353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air
resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as
spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of
reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second.
Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously,
exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in
their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26
thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to
centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound
Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his
sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force.
In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve,
he's dead now!
___________________________________________________________________________
These words of wisdom from: _____
"Manly" Matt Schulman / \ \ /
--------/--------/ \ \ /
[(Email removed)] ( / ) \/
( / )
Texas A&M University \ /--------/--------
- Class of '85 - \ _____ /
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #283
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this list!
Harald
__
o<8;-)__)
(this Santa best viewed with "arial" or "times new roman" - (c) H.H.)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is there a Santa Claus? - An Engineering Analysis
1. No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species
of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are
insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer
which only Santa has ever seen.
2. There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT
since Santa doesn't (appear to) handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and
Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the total - 378
million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average
(census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes.
One presumes there's at least one good child in each.
3. Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the
different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels
east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per
second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good
children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh,
jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining
presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up
the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house.
Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed
around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the
purpose of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about
0.78 miles per household, a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not
counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31
hours, plus feeding and so forth. This means that Santa's sleigh is
moving at 650 miles per second, 3000 times the speed of sound. For
purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the
Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second - a
conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour.
4. The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element.
Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized Lego set
(2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who
is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer
can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer"
(see point #1) could pull TEN TIMES the normal amount, we cannot do the
job with eight, or even nine. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases
the payload - not even counting the weight of the sleigh - to 353,430
tons. Again, for comparison - this is four times the weight of the
Queen Elizabeth.
5. 353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air
resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as
spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of
reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second.
Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously,
exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in
their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26
thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to
centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound
Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his
sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force.
In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve,
he's dead now!
___________________________________________________________________________
These words of wisdom from: _____
"Manly" Matt Schulman / \ \ /
--------/--------/ \ \ /
[(Email removed)] ( / ) \/
( / )
Texas A&M University \ /--------/--------
- Class of '85 - \ _____ /
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #283
******************************************
A8201960
Disney comics Digest V96 #280-282
Message 148 -
1996-12-23 at 18:22:03
DON wrote about "His Majesty McDuck"
(Addendum to Mike Schn.)
>The story title is what should have been in that scroll, and your
guess is as good as mine as to why they didn't place it there in that German
edition. As to what I had in the picture frame on the wall, I would guess
that it was a batch of coins... but you're saying they removed the coins,
yet still placed a translation of the exhibit's label? Strange and
mysterious things happen in these European translations!<
I think I can de-mistify at least a part of this: In German "Micky
Maus", some time now, they stopped putting the title in the
first panel but directly above it - in machine letters (in this case:
"Kampf um Duckland" - "Fight for Duckland"). They usually change that
for the album-editions, but the weeklies have a blank spot there
(well it's color and pictures but one can "feel" something was
supposed to be there).
RE: the missing coins: when you cut the black film to replace it with
new black film (= German text) sometimes you just cut to much...
But generally they do a brave job with Don's SAUDs (small and
unnecessary details).
BTW they seem to have had a bad day coloring this story: the doves
are pink and the nuggets are gray (I guess the colorist must have
worked without the benefit of having the text and thought it was
"birds" and "rocks")
BTW2 the code is AR 145 - I would have supposed that means
"Argentina"... silly me (heck, what DOES it mean?)
BTW3 the troops battling for the Fort have pun-names in this edition:
King of Hachsen (rhyming with Sachsen=Saxonia, but sounding like
Haxen=slang for feet) and the Tranzosen (=Franzosen, French, sounding
like Tran=train oil)
BTW3 they made the cut with page 10 (view on the hill with the
factory in the front)... to be continued...
PS: DON wrote
>Yes, it's sad, sad, sad that they retitle all the authentic historical and
geographical names with nonsense-names. It's not so much an insult to the
writer (since we have no claim on our stories in this system) but, in my
opinion, it shows contempt for the readers' intelligence.<
Right you are, but in the German Duck-cosmos it was never clear
that Duckburg is a part of the US... using correct historical
references would compromise the "semper ubique" feeling they have
produced for well over 40 years now...
STEVEN R.
>Harvey Kurtzman and Archie Goodwin write this way also.
That is supposed to be "wrote" in the case of Harvey Kurtzman
- he's dead, Jim ... I mean, Steven.
VILLE
>Du ju and/stSigmand tis kaind of Inglis?
Ei du! Iz weri nier tu a dschoermen litral transkriptschn!
;-)
Harald
(pronounced: Hah-rah-ld)
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
(Addendum to Mike Schn.)
>The story title is what should have been in that scroll, and your
guess is as good as mine as to why they didn't place it there in that German
edition. As to what I had in the picture frame on the wall, I would guess
that it was a batch of coins... but you're saying they removed the coins,
yet still placed a translation of the exhibit's label? Strange and
mysterious things happen in these European translations!<
I think I can de-mistify at least a part of this: In German "Micky
Maus", some time now, they stopped putting the title in the
first panel but directly above it - in machine letters (in this case:
"Kampf um Duckland" - "Fight for Duckland"). They usually change that
for the album-editions, but the weeklies have a blank spot there
(well it's color and pictures but one can "feel" something was
supposed to be there).
RE: the missing coins: when you cut the black film to replace it with
new black film (= German text) sometimes you just cut to much...
But generally they do a brave job with Don's SAUDs (small and
unnecessary details).
BTW they seem to have had a bad day coloring this story: the doves
are pink and the nuggets are gray (I guess the colorist must have
worked without the benefit of having the text and thought it was
"birds" and "rocks")
BTW2 the code is AR 145 - I would have supposed that means
"Argentina"... silly me (heck, what DOES it mean?)
BTW3 the troops battling for the Fort have pun-names in this edition:
King of Hachsen (rhyming with Sachsen=Saxonia, but sounding like
Haxen=slang for feet) and the Tranzosen (=Franzosen, French, sounding
like Tran=train oil)
BTW3 they made the cut with page 10 (view on the hill with the
factory in the front)... to be continued...
PS: DON wrote
>Yes, it's sad, sad, sad that they retitle all the authentic historical and
geographical names with nonsense-names. It's not so much an insult to the
writer (since we have no claim on our stories in this system) but, in my
opinion, it shows contempt for the readers' intelligence.<
Right you are, but in the German Duck-cosmos it was never clear
that Duckburg is a part of the US... using correct historical
references would compromise the "semper ubique" feeling they have
produced for well over 40 years now...
STEVEN R.
>Harvey Kurtzman and Archie Goodwin write this way also.
That is supposed to be "wrote" in the case of Harvey Kurtzman
- he's dead, Jim ... I mean, Steven.
VILLE
>Du ju and/stSigmand tis kaind of Inglis?
Ei du! Iz weri nier tu a dschoermen litral transkriptschn!
;-)
Harald
(pronounced: Hah-rah-ld)
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
Jyrki Vainio
Santa
Message 149 -
1996-12-23 at 18:33:29
HARALD:
Oh, what a cynical point of view these scientists have! I just returned
from my friend's house and he has shown this very same document to his
friends at the University of Oulu (this is fairly north so in this case
they should know what they are talking about). Instantly they started
producing evidence that Santa in fact COULD exist - by strictly
scientific means. Unfortunately I don't have the finished text piece
with me here - and, being a scholar that went a bit over my horizon as far
as science is concerned - but they proved it could work!
Furthermore, on Christmas Eve I have twelve places to visit as a Santa
Claus - and if I don't believe in myself then, who would?
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
Oh, what a cynical point of view these scientists have! I just returned
from my friend's house and he has shown this very same document to his
friends at the University of Oulu (this is fairly north so in this case
they should know what they are talking about). Instantly they started
producing evidence that Santa in fact COULD exist - by strictly
scientific means. Unfortunately I don't have the finished text piece
with me here - and, being a scholar that went a bit over my horizon as far
as science is concerned - but they proved it could work!
Furthermore, on Christmas Eve I have twelve places to visit as a Santa
Claus - and if I don't believe in myself then, who would?
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
Fluks
AR
Message 150 -
1996-12-23 at 18:59:55
hARald:
> In German "Micky
> Maus", some time now, they stopped putting the title in the
> first panel but directly above it
That's common Egmont practice. They also put a detail from the story
on top of the first page.
> But generally they do a brave job with Don's SAUDs (small and
> unnecessary details).
Hm... I think Don himself calls them Needless And Irritating Details (NAID).
(I know, this difference is only a needless detail, irritatingly.)
> the code is AR 145 - I would have supposed that means
> "Argentina"... silly me (heck, what DOES it mean?)
AR is Another Rainbow, once the parent company of Gladstone.
> in the German Duck-cosmos it was never clear
> that Duckburg is a part of the US...
Neither was it in Holland, but in Don's stories, the Dutch only avoided very
explicit references to the USA (like mentioning "Calisota").
Otherwise, the translation was without geographical changes in Holland.
>>Du ju and/stSigmand tis kaind of Inglis?
Der must hef kon somfing rong wif de o-wif-dots hier...
--Harry. (Hah-ree)
> In German "Micky
> Maus", some time now, they stopped putting the title in the
> first panel but directly above it
That's common Egmont practice. They also put a detail from the story
on top of the first page.
> But generally they do a brave job with Don's SAUDs (small and
> unnecessary details).
Hm... I think Don himself calls them Needless And Irritating Details (NAID).
(I know, this difference is only a needless detail, irritatingly.)
> the code is AR 145 - I would have supposed that means
> "Argentina"... silly me (heck, what DOES it mean?)
AR is Another Rainbow, once the parent company of Gladstone.
> in the German Duck-cosmos it was never clear
> that Duckburg is a part of the US...
Neither was it in Holland, but in Don's stories, the Dutch only avoided very
explicit references to the USA (like mentioning "Calisota").
Otherwise, the translation was without geographical changes in Holland.
>>Du ju and/stSigmand tis kaind of Inglis?
Der must hef kon somfing rong wif de o-wif-dots hier...
--Harry. (Hah-ree)