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Dave,

It's great when I can talk to a person I wrote/saw the name so many
times!

>I live in the South Bay of Los Angeles, but I'll be
>visiting Paris on September 10, 11 & 12.

Great!

>What part of the country are you in?

You will not believe it: I live in Paris!

If you we can arrange an appointement, I'd love to meet you! (Maybe
Didier is interested too, if he has enough time?).

By now, five of your stories were published in France (and choosen by
Disney-comics-expert Philippe Marcilly). Here's a list from my files:

D 92193 o:14 ? VR -> -> DD Tfr:Un guide ? la hauteur
[App:HDL,DD]
| I:[plot:Dave Rawson,Pat
McGreal] [script:Dave Rawson,Pat McGreal] [DcD says ink:Victor A. Rios
(Vicar)] [DcD says art:Victor A. Rios (Vicar)]
| [/title:EPS:Tour de Jour
| [/ori:AA [rest:date:92-04;]
| Rfr:PM 283
| Rgl:DDA 29
| Rnl:VB.95
| Rde:93-29
D 93395 o:11 ? VR DRa DD Tfr:L'as de la voltige
[App:DD,HDL]
| I:[DcD says ink:Victor A. Rios
(Vicar)] [DcD says art:Victor A. Rios (Vicar)]
| [/title:EPS:Wings
| [/ori:AA 95-36 04-09-95
| Rfr:JM 2300
| Rde:95-36
D 93444 o:12 ? VR DRa DD Tfr:Panique au pique-nique
[App:DD,HDL]
| I:[DcD says ink:Victor A. Rios
(Vicar)] [DcD says art:Victor A. Rios (Vicar)]
| [/title:EPS:The Fraternal Order
of C.L.A.M.S.
| [/ori:AA 96-11 11-03-96
[rest:date:93-09;]
| Rfr:PM 307
| Rde:94-46*,96-17
D 95026 o:12 ? VR DRa DD Tfr:Un No?l explosif !
[App:DD,HDL]
| I:[DcD says ink:Victor A. Rios
(Vicar)] [DcD says art:Victor A. Rios (Vicar)]
| [/title:EPS:The Best Ever
| [/ori:AA 95-51 18-12-95
| Rfr:PM 299
| Rde:95-52
D 95137 o:12 ? VR DRa DD Tfr:Bulldozer blues
[App:DD,Jones]
| I:[DcD says ink:Victor A. Rios
(Vicar)] [DcD says art:Victor A. Rios (Vicar)]
| [/title:EPS:Bulldozer Blues
| [/ori:AA 96-21 20-05-96
[rest:date:95-09;]
| Rfr:SPG 79
| Rde:96-24

The well-known Tour-de-Jour is the one I prefer (while C.L.A.M.S. seems
a bit strange to me).

BTW, can you tell us what is this story you did with Pat McGreal? Did
you gave the idea and Pat McGreal the script? Or maybe you wrote the
story together with him?

I hope I'll have the occasion to see you!

-- Francois
(to all the people who do not like indexes: I'll take care to put only
texts the next time...)

Hello everybody, at least I'm back from my holidays!!

Well I returned Mondey, but used those days to read the last issues of
the list, and so I have some short comments to say:

DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN:

>I agree that Geoffrey Blum sometimes can go way too far in his
theories....

I've always been interested in psychology and other unusual analisys on
comics, so can you explain me who is Geoffry Blum? Where can I find
something written by him? (Sorry for the question, maybe he is a well
know writer on this list, but he's no one I heard of:-().

>I now have a television-cable modem connected to my computer...

(A little out of topic). What do you mean with "a television-cable
modem"? By the thinghs you said it seems like this apparate les you use
internet without paying the phone bill? Is it true? Can this be used in
Italy?

Thank you in advance.

TIM OTTERBURG (about Xenodonaldism):

I'm a xenodonaldist (and a xenomickeyst, of course) too, and I know how
much hard can be to obtain a Disney comic from every country... so why
to make our research even harder by suggesting those strange language
like Maltese, Welsh, etc????;-)) BTW do you know that some years ago in
Italy were published some Donakld comics in Latin?

DAVID GERSTEIN:

I read carefully all your messages about the new Mickey stories, and now
I'd like to read them: can you tell me which is their newest edition (or
the easiest one to find) of those stories, in particular the ones
directly inspired by the Gottfredson classic Mickey?

Thanks for answering!

KATHY:

>...seems pretty standard in comics and TV series that happy marriages
do not make for interesting plots with some exceptions...

Yes, and very remarkable exceptions are Jiggs and Maggie from George
McManus (known in Italy as Arcibaldo e Petronilla) and Blondie and
Dagwood Bumstead from Chic Young (Blondie e Dagoberto).

FRANCOIS WILLOT:

Welcome on the list!

>This story has the title "La graziosa temeraria" in "The Complete Carl
Barks -- Cronologie".

The story intitled "La graziosa temeraria" is the last Barks story,
first published in Walt Disney Comics and Stories number 5, november
1968 ad "The Dainty Daredevil". The page Marco was talking about is a
single-page joke, with no comics in it but with text and images. After
posting this message, I'll try to scan this page for you, try to look
for it at
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3088/barks_pg.htm
...but don't be too much surprised if it won't be there: it's a long
time since the last time I turned on the scenner in my office, and so
I'm not sure it still works....

CAREY M. FURLONG (about the golden mood behind the moon):

There is another Disney story about a moon-hidden planet: Mickey Mouse
and Be-junior and the Aints, from Floyd Gottfredson (7-mar-1949 /
6-aug-1949). Then it means that in the Disney comics we have different
laws to regulate the universe, or Mickey and Donald live in different
universes???

GEORGE DIAMANTOPOULOS:

>Komix (Comics) is an old magazine too... (His first volume was printed
around 1986-1987.

OLD??? In 1986?!?!??.... NOW I feel old!!! ;-)

DIDIER GHEZ (about the Carpi interview):

>you would send me interesting questions

Prepare yourself to receive a veeery long mail from me!!! ;-))))

>I could even publish part of the interview on the list.

Why only "part of the interview"? Where will it be published enterely?

Well, enough typing for today... it's time to go sleep....

See you soon!!

Luna Storta alias Paolo Castagno
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3088

Outside of a dog, a comic is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
-- Groucho Marx

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DAVID GERSTEIN corrected my statement:
>a steady diet of stories on the order of David Gerstein's "The Return of
>Phantom Bob"?
<<But... this *wasn't* mine! The story I wrote that Gladstone used
lately was "A Mouse Against The World"! "Phantom Bob" was credited to
Michael T. Gilbert, although I think Gladstone may have had the wrong
credits (Michael didn't remember the story when I asked him about it in San
Diego).>>

D'OH!! Sorry David, this was a slip of the...uh...keyboard. I hope you'll
take the sentiment in the spirit in which it was meant, though...

HARRY FLUKS responded to my suggested abbreviation "DIS-comics" by saying:
<<You mean DIS-comics? For people who DIS-like them? Or DIS-functional
people?>>

Ha ha! :-) Actually, there are worse readings of "DIS-comics" than that.
Say, "DISSED comics." For those unfamiliar with US slang, "DISSED" is short
for "disrespected." While this may apply to CERTAIN Disney comics, such as
the much-maligned Gladstone "paper cover" issues, it certainly doesn't apply
to Disney comics in general!

Several other observations:

Regarding people's opinions of the Barks "outer space" stories and their
frequently outrageous leaps of logic (incredibly advanced Duckburgs,
rope-climbs to other planets, etc.)... It strikes me that these leaps are
somehow less important and less noticeable when the story has some sort of
meaningful "message" or "theme" to convey that transcends the space setting.
"Island in the Sky" is chock full of "balderdash," indeed, but it is
regarded fondly as one of Scrooge's most "heroic" moments (in his decision to
help out the Space Apaches). "Micro Ducks" can be questioned on the basis of
scientific accuracy (the Micros traveling for four years in an impossibly
cramped saucer), but the pleasant interactions between the Micros and Scrooge
and company are what one tends to remember. "The 24-Karat Moon," with its
occasionally questionable space technology (spaceships with adjustable open
windows? characters getting asphyxiated by smoke in space?), is "really" a
message about greed and true "wealth." And so on.

When there is no real "message" to latch onto, the leaps of logic seem a
little more annoying. "Interplanetary Postman" and its giant interplanetary
teenagers immediately comes to mind. There is no "message" there other than,
boy, did Scrooge put his webbed foot in it THIS time! Since the premise is
rather hollow, the giant teenagers seem all the sillier.

On the issue of scientists and mathematicians evincing a particular interest
in Barks' stories and Duck stories in general... As I've noted before, I've
observed the same phenomenon. Actually, I've observed a more general trend
of "professionals" (academics, lawyers, businesspeople) being enamored with
the Ducks. Since strong storytelling is at the root of Barks' greatness, and
his successors have tried to maintain that standard, it is easy to see why
intelligent readers would be drawn to these comics. There is more "meat" to
a typical Duck comic than there is to a typical "endless fight" superhero
comic. Other comics genres with an appeal to thoughtful readers have grown
up in recent years, but the Ducks were there from the beginning, so there's a
lot of longstanding loyalty to the genre involved.

-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"I HAD NO IDEA SPACE WAS THIS WET!" -- Astronaut trainee Launchpad,
"DuckTales" episode "The Right Duck"

Nobody seemed to be interested in the "nice contest" from issue #2176 of
"Topolino". :-(
Nobody asked me, but I can't stand shutting up so I'll tell you just the same.
They printed a story, "Sfida a Topolinia", 20 pages, text by Tito Faraci,
drawing by Giorgio Cavazzano, with the following interesting feature: the
letter "e" was missing in all dialogues, in the pictures, in the "sounds",
everywhere!!!
I tried to match this in my message to this List, of course not doing
without the letter "e" (I guess this is almost impossible in English!) but
(if you'll care to check) writing the whole message **without ever using the
letter "a"**. Nice try, huh? Too bad nobody noticed it :-(

Anyway, that's all for it!
Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it

FRANCOIS:
>
>>Whose <Cronologie>?
>
>The book is in black and white, has no date, and no authors are given.
>It is an index of Barks stories with reprints in the US and Italian
>titles. Do you know who made it?
>

I'd bet almost anything that this **is** Fossati's index of Barks' stories;
otherwise why should it have the Italian reprints? Strange it is however
that no author is given. Maybe no authors' rights were paid? ;-)

By the way,

HARRY:

when indexing (anywhere) a story by good ol' Carl Barks, do we have a
standard reference index so that we can give it a letter and a name, as we
do with Mozart (K n) and we soon shall do with Cavazzano (B n, where B
stands for "Boschi", of course!). I suggest that a (F n) reference might be
very handy, if we have no other index. Fossati's seems **very** complete (it
even has Daisy's Dazed Days ...) and certainly a W n-x reference is
troublesome unless we know the **exact** place that story has in issue W n!

Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it

> Francois Willot <(Email removed)>
> By now, five of your stories were published in France (and choosen by
> Disney-comics-expert Philippe Marcilly).

Don mentioned that Pascal Pierrey is the editor. What position does
Philippe hold?

Here's a list from my files:
> D 92193 Tour de Jour
> D 93395 Wings
> D 93444 The Fraternal Order of C.L.A.M.S.
> D 95026 The Best Ever
> D 95137 Bulldozer blues

Thank you very much for telling me this! Other than Tour de Jour which
Don was kind enough to send me a copy of, I had no idea what had been
reprinted.

> The well-known Tour-de-Jour is the one I prefer (while C.L.A.M.S.
> seems a bit strange to me).

C.L.A.M.S. was originally titled The Clamdiggers of Castlemaine. Bob
Foster re-titled it without my knowing it. I had intended the title as a
memento of when Bob and I were touring the west of Ireland after
teaching story-telling at the National Cartoon Company in Dublin.

There was a huge bay at Castlemaine with cars down on the sand. It was
low tide, the kind where you can wade out forever without getting in
over your head. We drove along the highwaterline at 60 miles per hour
for almost 15 minutes before realizing just how vast the bay was and
that we were barely into it.

While we were driving and slowly absorbing the scale of the landscape,
Bob declared that this should be a story, but that it needed something
special to set it off like an attack of a giant lobster or something. We
came up with the phrase, "blue-clawed tire biter", and I wrote the story
based on that phrase-as-germ-of-an-idea when I got back to the States.

> BTW, can you tell us what is this story [Tour de Jour] you did with
> Pat McGreal? Did you gave the idea and Pat McGreal the script? Or
> maybe you wrote the story together with him?

Years ago, when we worked together, we would verbally plot out the major
story points. Then we would assign page counts to each major point. Then
we would divide the scripting chores in half. I would do some plot
points. He would do others. Sometimes they were in sequence, but mostly
not.

The trick was to each do the pages we found the most interesting, and to
do so that we each ended up with the same number of pages. Then we would
meet a few days later and "seam" the script pieces together; essentially
edit the other's work. And voila!

Hope this answers your question!

By the way, despite the fact that we used "de Jour" it's more properly
"du Jour" is it not?

--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm

All:
Sorry for confusing you with my DC abbreviation for Disney Comics.
I didn't know it was already used for Detective Comics.
But at least I see I've started a nice discussion about a suitable
abbreviation. How about DiCs. But oh, I think that might cause some
trouble, too.

I also have the feeling that there are a lot of scientists, engineers, etc.
on this ML (<- is this abbreviation okay, or does it stand for Mona Lisa ?).
I'm not long enough on this list to know: Has there ever been a kind of
inquiry about the average age, profession, sex, etc. of the list members ?

Don:
Sad thing you won't come to Hamburg on your Germany tour.

Luna Storta:
Of course collecting Disney Comics in foreign languages is much more
difficult than for example collecting Asterix.
I can buy Asterix in at least 15 different languages here in Hamburg
(not counting the albums in different German dialects), but for Disney
Comics it will be difficult to find more than three languages.
(English, Italian and German, that is)
I know about these albums of Donald Duck in Latin. I've got six different
numbers. Do you know if there have been published more ?
The reason why *I* would like to see Disney comics being published in
languages like Welsh, Irish or Maltese is just that I'm always very excited
whenever I find out about a new language in which Disney are published.
I think it would be sad if there was no new language to chase anymore.

Greek list members:
Have there ever been any Disney Comics in Ancient Greek,
maybe for reading them in school (I think you can choose Ancient Greek as
a subject, can't you ?) or just for pure amusement ?

Scandinavian members:
Can anybody of you give me some information about the Lapish Donald Duck
comics that used to be published a couple of years ago ?
How many numbers have been published ?
How rare are they ? (I've been trying to get them for almost ten years now,
I think)
How much are they ?
Where could I possibly find some issues ?

Thanks for answering

BYE,
Tim