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CHRISTOPHER (RE: "Love Trouble"):
>The "catfight" to which you allude is the sniping back and forth between
>Minnie and Millicent/Madeline, right? Where each is trying to one-up the
>other? Well, it certainly put Minnie in a bad light...

Well, actually someone else allude to a catfight, but yes the "one-up"
business was clear, though it was much more of an issue for Minnie and
Montmorency than for Millicent and Mickey. Mickey was merely trying
to regain his dignity, which Minnie, with the help of that jerk, tore down.
There was one panel where both Minnie and Millicent sniped at each other
in "though balloons," (when they called eachother, ironically, a "cat") but
that was relatively mild compared to the verbal sniping that Minnie did.
Millicent, on the other hand, never verbally gave in to that behaviour and
was ALWAYS a perfect lady to Minnie, though she did let Monty know of
her disinterest in his, what seemed to me to be a, come on. It looked like he
saw her as a 'classy dame' and was making a 'play' for her right in front of
Minnie. Something Millicent was quick to catch onto, thus their leaving.
While Minnie constantly stuck her nose in the air and closed her eyes to
indicate her 'attitude,' I can't find one scene where Millicent did the
same to
Minnie. This was one of the main reasons I found Madeline so endearing.
Madeline never resorted to that sort of 'lowbrow' snobbery, but always
remained a refined and charming 'lady.'

>(And Mickey's
>plot ultimately reducing Minnie to tears and shame may have been carrying a
>good idea a little far, so HE doesn't come out of the story with his
>estcutcheon unstained, either...)

Gee, don't we all wish we had a "Cousin Madeline" when our significant other
does what Minnie did to Mickey. IMHO Mickey did nothing wrong. He
remained a gentleman to Minnie throughout it all and endured Minnie's
attitude and Monty abuse. The scene where Mickey asked Minnie to Patricia's
party and she hesitated answering until Monty showed up and asked her was
attrocious. I think a lesser man (like me) would have told Minnie a few MORE
things, and then never looked back. And it wouldn't have been jealousy, rather
anger at her audacity. No, the more I think about it Mickey comes off as a
'Knight in Shining Armour' throughout the whole story. I can't blame him
for 'plotting' with Madeline to help Minnie see 'the error of her ways.'
Which,
of course she does when she breaks down and cries. At that point Mickey
let her know she never lost his affection for her, and sweet Madeline shows
her best face yet when she honestly consoles Minnie and then slinks quietly
out of the room to let Mickey and Minnie be 'alone.'

>I never understood, however, why Mickey,
>speaking on the telephone to Madeline with Minnie nowhere in the vicinity,
>should call her "Millicent". "Off duty," shouldn't Mickey be free to call
>her by her REAL name? I realize that the two had some info to exchange,
>and Gottfredson had to establish who was speaking to Mickey on the
>telephone, but I think he goofed in staging that particular scene as a
>telephone conversation rather than a face-to-face one.

I thought that too when I first read it, but I decided what must've happened is
that Gottfredson must've intended for Mickey and Madeline to 'purposefully'
engage in that pre-rehearsed exchange in the proximity to Clarabelle. Knowing
that Clarabelle was 'vacinated with a phonograph needle' the news of Mickey
and Millicent's date would soon be all over town and eventually in Minnie's
ear. I can only imagine that 'we' were not suppose to realize this at the
time or
we would have figured out what Mickey was up to far too early in the plot.
The fact that 'we' were not privy to the original telephone exchange lends
credence to this theory. How they knew Clarabelle would be in front of the
bookstore at that particular time I can't say, unless Mickey and Madeline had
already met sometime after he left Minnie's house and before they 'pretended'
to meet again (for the first time) when they did so that Clarabelle would
overhear the details. Clarabelle was an unwitting (though happy) accomplice
in Mickey plans. Of course this would mean that Aunt Agatha was ALSO in
on the plan, which doesn't seem too unreasonable, since Mickey and Minnie's
relationship was a stake.

Speaking of Aunt Agatha, I read another story where Minnie is visited by her
own "Aunt Agatha" who looks very different than Madeline's (and I guess
Mickey's) Aunt Agatha. This could be due to time and different artists, but
I was wondering if they were the "same" character, and if she was a recurring
character?

RE: "Topolino e la Dimensione Delta" in which Mickey
>>meets Atomino for the first time and "Topolino e la collana
>>Chirikawa" with the flashback to Mickey as a baby
>> and Black Pete as juvenile delinquent? (Romano Scarpa)
>
>That's because these stories have been published recently here in the
>"Jouranl de Mickey Mystere". They could not make any reprint of them
>again!
>
>-- Francois

But they are RIPE for reprinting (for the first time) in the USA, right?
(I can try can't I?) :-)

-Rich

http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html

FRANCOIS
> To all the Swedish people here:
>
> Alberto Becattini said in "Disney Comics" that original stories were
> created in Sweden in the 30s in "Musse Pig Tidlingen". But no examples
> of art are shown in his book. Is there someone from Sweden that knows
> these stories (and that can make a short description)?

This might be something for the Database!!

In the first issue(1937) of "Musse Pigg Tidningen" there where 3 Disney
Comics, which where made in Sweden, as you said!

-The defective bureau with Mickey Mouse and Goofy (Goofy had the name Jan
Rissel instead of Jan L?ngben).
(Detective where spelled as above, with an " F ".)

-An adventure with Teddy and Freddy(Mickey's nephews?) and Donald Duck.
(Mickey's nephews(?) where called "The smalspikes", or something like
that).

-Mickey Mouse in the land of the Giants.
(After 8 issues this story where replaced by Hiawatha, which after 10
episodes where replaced by Don Mickey)

These stories covered one page each/ per issue, and then continued in the
next one, and the next one, and so on.
The stories where written by Roland Romell and drawn by Birger Allernas,
Lars Bylund and sometimes ke Skiold.
The last issue(#25) of "MPT" came out in 1938.

I've only seen the covers for these comic books and they looks good, so I
guess the comics in them looks good to.

Well, that's all I now, I hope it helped you a little!
This information was collected from and article by Ebbe Zetterstads,
in "Seriekatalogen 1996-1997".

DIDIER
>It would be nice if you could get that info. The Don Bluth article is
>mine
>and I am also always very eager to "read" (see would be more >adequate)
what
>Benny and Freddy publish.
>
>Unfortunately, I tried writing to them but did not get any answer.

Honestly, I don't now anything about Don Bluth so I'm looking forward to
this article of yours!!

Per-Erik

***************Per-Erik Malmstr?m*****************
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***************Uppsala, Sweden*******************

The final sentence from my earlier mail should have read "the removal
of a couple of tons by a toy train would NOT appear to make a
significant difference."
I like the "Island in the Sky" sequel someone proposed on the list. It
appears in character and ties together "loose ends" from other earlier
stories. I like the Sci Fi angle to it as well.
WRT how I derived the weight of three cubic acres of money: The
American Heritage Dictionary (Second College Edition) defines an acre as
43,560 square feet(for those of the metric persuasion, one foot = 12
inches = 30.48 centimeters). The root is roughly 208.71. Hence a square
with sides of length 208.71 ft. contains an acre. It seems reasonable to
assume that a cubic acre would be a cube with an acre on a side, or with
edges of length 208.71 ft. The volume of such a cube would be 208.71 to
the third power, or slightly more than 9 million cubic feet. 3 cubic
acres would be three times this, or about 27,274,265 cubic feet.
The Machinery's Handbook( Twenty-first Edition ) tells us( on page 2404
) that one cubic foot of water, at 39.1 degrees fahrenheit(4 degrees
celsius), weighs 62.4245 pounds. Therefore( at 39.1 degrees fahrenheit )
27,302,972.4 cubic feet( or three cubic acres ) of water will weigh
1,702,582,378 pounds, or 851,291 tons.
With the aid of some very unscientific evidence I conclude the average
weight of the contents of Scrooge's money bin is of an order of
magnitude not less than water ( a coin sinks in water; a jar of pennies
is VERY HEAVY; panels showing the insides of the money bin seem to show
that it is predominantly coins, with paper currency mixed in; the
"Only A Poor Old Man" scene where the Beagle Boys crack their heads
trying to dive into Scrooge's fortune implies a significant ratio of
coins to paper currency).
Therefore, assuming I have not committed some mathematical or logical
faux pas, it follows that Scrooge's three cubic acres of money weighs on
the order of half a million tons. And it will take many toy train trips
to make a dent in that.
Perhaps Gyro Gearloose( who soon after appears for the first time )
solves the problem somehow.

Rob Gibson "It's all in the mind, y'know." - John Lennon

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> Given that a cubic acre is a six-dimensional unit of measurement,
> where do you base the above estimate?

This is a good time to ask: What is an acre? In metric units if
possible?

# Cristian Lucas
# From Buenos Aires, Argentina

FRANCOIS:

> >"Phantom Bob" [...]
> The story was indeed written by Kurt Behnke according to the Egmont
> weekly reports.

Can you tell us more about this weekly report. Does it give full
credits for the Egmont-produced Disney stories? What about its
availability?

> Juergen,
> (it is not forbidden to reply to a question intended for David
> Gerstein?)

Well, you must ask David about this. :-)

> >Is it documented somewhere which Barks-stories were written by
> >Lockman,
>
> According to Alberto Becattini's list in If, Lockman wrote the three
> Barks stories in One Shot 1073.
> Alberto Becattini also credits Bob Gregory for a Barks story in issue
> 1055 (the one where Scrooge buys a lion).

That's very interesting, thanks. Are there more credits like this
known?

> >or are you just guessing from his style that he wrote some of the
> >Gyro stories that Barks drew for FC1184?
>
> If the information for one shot 1073 is from Alberto Becattini, I guess
> it is not a guess...

Or maybe it is Becattini's guess. Anyway, the examples you give
are Grandma Duck stories and a Daisy story, respectively.
The Gyro stories might as well have been written by, for example,
Nick George or Dale McRaven, who are both listed in Becattini's
Disney Index as having written Gyro stories at the beginning
of the sixties.
And Becattini lists Lockman and Gregory as contributors
to his Disney Index, so wouldn't they have told him if they
had written further stories for Barks? On the other hand, if they
did _not_ tell Becattini about the Gyro stories, that does not
mean that they did _not_ write them. Not to mention the
problem of faulty memories.
So, are there any documents or credible sources pertaining
to the "art only" Barks stories?

Juergen "Just give me the facts, man!" Gebhardt

DON:
You're coming to Finland on the second week of November? Oh, man!
That's the only time in the whole year that I'm not going to be in the
country! Didn't you say earlier that it would be a weekend in September? I
had made sure not to have any appointments at that time and now suddenly
this. Damn. I was really looking forward to meeting you again.

ALL:
A new Don Rosa hardcover book is being published in Finland. It
was just announced last week, so I haven't yet got it, but it might have
some unique Rosa art again. The cover has a modern (1954) Scrooge McDuck
standing and in the background an open clip book which is colored like an
old photograph. At least in the ad there was a Rosa pic I had never seen
before. Don's picture on himself, much more detailed than the one on
Harry's webpage.

HARRY AND DAVID:
I just spent a free day on the web and went to see
both of your web pages. Congratulations on great pages! I've got links on
you both on my page, now. Harry, you even made me think about doing my own
page about Don Rosa in Finnish.

ROB:
> It seems reasonable to assume that a cubic acre would be a cube with an
> acre on a side, or with edges of length 208.71 ft.

But that's not what it is. A cubic acre is basically a cube which
has an EDGE of an ACRE. Impossible? Yes, in three-dimendional space.
It's volume would be 208.71 feet to the SIXTH power. Three cubic acres
would be three times this, or about 247'960'000'000'000 ft^6. I'm only
just going to university, but my guess is that it would weigh something
like billions of square tons (don't ask me how much a square ton is).
Hmm... The key to the money being back in the Bin in the next
story could very well lie in it's six-dimensional quality. That might also
explain how Scrooge can swim in it, him being only three-dimensional
creature (time not counting here).

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie

Francois wrote about the Egmont weekly reports:
> Per Starback did talk about these reports in this mailing list long ago.

That must have been someone else, or I'm vert forget-ful. I don't
think I've even heard about these reports until now.

> These informations are not stored in the Database because Harry (the
> rat!) didn't include them yet.

Well, does he get those reports? If not, I'm certain he would love to
get them (as would I, and probably other people as well).

TIM:

>Greek list members:
>Have there ever been any Disney Comics in Ancient Greek,
>maybe for reading them in school (I think you can choose Ancient Greek as
>a subject, can't you ?) or just for pure amusement ?

No, as far as *I* know no Disney comics magazine has been translated into
Ancient Greek.

However, a couple of ASTERIX issues have been translated in to Ancient Greek
by one of the better known Greek philologists.

Archontis, (flattered by the fact that his name is among Hary's FAVORITES!
:-)) Actually, it's my wife's favorite name too! :-)