The Disney comics were a fair sized influence in my childhood in the
1950s. I read the stories now again and remember that time, but I
wonder how the same stories effect the kids today. I know that
everything changes. Kids now have this online computer entertainment
and movies are brought home on video tape. Can stories about truancy
or an echo contest possibly have any interest for kids today?
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Rik in Carlisle, MA
(Email removed)
Author
Topic: 199708
(305 messages)
Rik Pierce
Childhood
Message 46 -
1997-08-07 at 05:32:19
Rich Bellacera
Dicney Comics Availability in the USA
Message 47 -
1997-08-07 at 21:13:48
DISNEY USA:
I've been reading alot about Disney Comics published around the world and
it would seem that there are more fans outside of the USA than there are
within. The sales and diversity of titles makes me scratch my head with
confusion. In the USA we only have Uncle $crooge and Donald Duck
tales, with a side order of WDC, and that's basically it. Occassionally
someone tries to publish a non-Ducks book and it flounders after only a
brief period. I know ACCLAIM is now publishing two new non-Ducks
books: "DISNEY'S ACTION CLUB" and "DISNEY'S ENCHANTING
STORIES" (both of which are in digest format, and present stories based
on the movies and TV series, like Hercules, Hunchback and Mighty Ducks)
but they just began and will probably be short-lived. I figure it has to do
with corporate greed, on the part of Disney and the licensees, like Marvel.
They compare sales of say Spiderman or the X-men and don't see the same
for Mickey Mouse so they just throw the title out (despite the loyal fan-base
that does exist). Perhaps it's because the availablity of X-Men and Batman
titles are limited in Brazil and other places that the sales for Disney Comics
are good? Is this correct? Or is there another reason Disney comics are so
sparse in the USA?
ROSA'S HDL TALE:
One final query. Back when Don Rosa presented his "Duck Family Tree"
I remember reading that soon he would present a special story about Huey,
Dewey & Louie's father. Has this story been published yet? If so where?
If not, when?
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #163
******************************************
I've been reading alot about Disney Comics published around the world and
it would seem that there are more fans outside of the USA than there are
within. The sales and diversity of titles makes me scratch my head with
confusion. In the USA we only have Uncle $crooge and Donald Duck
tales, with a side order of WDC, and that's basically it. Occassionally
someone tries to publish a non-Ducks book and it flounders after only a
brief period. I know ACCLAIM is now publishing two new non-Ducks
books: "DISNEY'S ACTION CLUB" and "DISNEY'S ENCHANTING
STORIES" (both of which are in digest format, and present stories based
on the movies and TV series, like Hercules, Hunchback and Mighty Ducks)
but they just began and will probably be short-lived. I figure it has to do
with corporate greed, on the part of Disney and the licensees, like Marvel.
They compare sales of say Spiderman or the X-men and don't see the same
for Mickey Mouse so they just throw the title out (despite the loyal fan-base
that does exist). Perhaps it's because the availablity of X-Men and Batman
titles are limited in Brazil and other places that the sales for Disney Comics
are good? Is this correct? Or is there another reason Disney comics are so
sparse in the USA?
ROSA'S HDL TALE:
One final query. Back when Don Rosa presented his "Duck Family Tree"
I remember reading that soon he would present a special story about Huey,
Dewey & Louie's father. Has this story been published yet? If so where?
If not, when?
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #163
******************************************
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V97 #163
Message 48 -
1997-08-08 at 00:39:36
HARRY:
> I filled in my survey without re-reading any story. My reasoning is, that if
> a story is very good (or very bad), I will *remember* that. If I forgot
about
> it,
> then it wasn't that good (/bad) after all.
> And in some categories, I didn't remember anything, so I didn't fill in
> anything.
In that case, I guess I answered the questionaire the same way as you did.
Too bad my memory is very poor--probably has to do with the onset of
old age--so I could only come up with two entries for "best story".
Just in case anyone thinks that the above implies that I have a low
opinion of Don's stories, let me mention that if I had to do the same
thing for Barks' stories, I'd only come up with one entry!
[What can you expect from someone who forgot to have dinner tonight?]
> BTW, Kriton: have you ever seen the British TV series "Red Dwarf"?
Yup! I've seen the first six and a half seasons. A couple of my signature
quotes are from there. (For anyone familiar with the show, my name is
NOT pronounced the same way as Kryten's. The correct way is "krEE-ton".)
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Changing history is a very fanatical idea, you know."
-----
> I filled in my survey without re-reading any story. My reasoning is, that if
> a story is very good (or very bad), I will *remember* that. If I forgot
about
> it,
> then it wasn't that good (/bad) after all.
> And in some categories, I didn't remember anything, so I didn't fill in
> anything.
In that case, I guess I answered the questionaire the same way as you did.
Too bad my memory is very poor--probably has to do with the onset of
old age--so I could only come up with two entries for "best story".
Just in case anyone thinks that the above implies that I have a low
opinion of Don's stories, let me mention that if I had to do the same
thing for Barks' stories, I'd only come up with one entry!
[What can you expect from someone who forgot to have dinner tonight?]
> BTW, Kriton: have you ever seen the British TV series "Red Dwarf"?
Yup! I've seen the first six and a half seasons. A couple of my signature
quotes are from there. (For anyone familiar with the show, my name is
NOT pronounced the same way as Kryten's. The correct way is "krEE-ton".)
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Changing history is a very fanatical idea, you know."
-----
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #163
Message 49 -
1997-08-08 at 01:15:23
DAVID:
>probably would have disappeared with Horace Horsecollar.
>
> Them's fightin' woids!
> In his "classic" period -- which lasted from roughly 1931 through
> 1935 --
> Horace disappeared through no fault of his own.
>This isn't the same as a character dying
> due to public apathy (as you may have been trying to imply when you
brought
> Horace up?).
I wasn't "trying to imply" anything. I was stating a fact. Horace
disappeared in 1935. I didn't say "Donald would have disappeared *for the
same reason as* H.H.". I just pulled up the name of some old Disney
character that was around and then gone. So, plug in a gone character of
your own preference and relax.
CHRISTOPHER:
I don't think I've ever seen the episode of "DuckTales" you refer to. If I
was thinking of anything when I wrote that rather trite ending for "10
Avatars", it might have been "MacKenna's Gold", or any number of other old
movies with a similar ending.
There's something more to the rarity of U$#179, DD#222 and one or two other
Disney Whitmans (and doubtlessly other Whitmans) than simply that it did
not sell well in those bags. Many, many Whitmans sold in bags but none of
them are especially hard to find. The only copies of U$#179 or DD#222 I
have ever seen are publisher file copies or ones that were found in Europe.
My theory is that those two issues (and surely others) were only sold in
the very few outlets for Whitmans there in Europe (and I don't know why
they'd sell any of those bags in Europe except maybe at American military
basesmor sumpin'.) Or they were sold in such a limited quantity in America,
much more limited than any other Whitmans, that virtually all of them have
been lost to the hands of careless children as is the fate of most of those
comics.
Anyway, I'll tell you why I was asking that odd question. I came across a
duplicate issue of U$#179 and I wanted to find a good home for it. I wanted
to find some dedicated collector who had built up a full or near full set
of U$ except this rare issue. I didn't want to come right out and say "who
wants a free U$#179?" because I would risk someone (some nasty lurker or
such) to say "ME! ME!" and then take it from me and sell it. I've heard of
people offering up to $100-200 for copies. So, I wanted to find out who
needed a copy in an obtuse fashion. But... nobody spoke up, so I finally
gave it to someone I know not on this List.
KRITON:
> (yes, I even enjoyed
> the heavily criticized "Cash Flow")
Huh? Where was this going on? Yeah, it was an early, crudely drawn one...
but I've had people tell me it was their favorite story of mine. And *I*
even sorta like it (and that's not common).
PER:
> (Email removed) is the address of Dutch member Daniel van Eijmeren.
Oh, that's right! Sorry!
RICH:
> One final query. Back when Don Rosa presented his "Duck Family Tree"
> I remember reading that soon he would present a special story about Huey,
> Dewey & Louie's father. Has this story been published yet? If so where?
Hm? What was said that gave you that idea? I think I might have said that I
hoped to do such a story someday, somehow... but I don't know how or when.
I thing my words were that I'd do the story "when you least expect it"...
which is just a way of saying "I don't really know when or if or how I'll
ever do that darn story!"
But watch for a window-of-opportunity in 5 years. Or 10. I didn't use it as
the basis for the HD&L 60th Anniversary story I recently did, and only an
anniversary story would be a suitable moment.
>probably would have disappeared with Horace Horsecollar.
>
> Them's fightin' woids!
> In his "classic" period -- which lasted from roughly 1931 through
> 1935 --
> Horace disappeared through no fault of his own.
>This isn't the same as a character dying
> due to public apathy (as you may have been trying to imply when you
brought
> Horace up?).
I wasn't "trying to imply" anything. I was stating a fact. Horace
disappeared in 1935. I didn't say "Donald would have disappeared *for the
same reason as* H.H.". I just pulled up the name of some old Disney
character that was around and then gone. So, plug in a gone character of
your own preference and relax.
CHRISTOPHER:
I don't think I've ever seen the episode of "DuckTales" you refer to. If I
was thinking of anything when I wrote that rather trite ending for "10
Avatars", it might have been "MacKenna's Gold", or any number of other old
movies with a similar ending.
There's something more to the rarity of U$#179, DD#222 and one or two other
Disney Whitmans (and doubtlessly other Whitmans) than simply that it did
not sell well in those bags. Many, many Whitmans sold in bags but none of
them are especially hard to find. The only copies of U$#179 or DD#222 I
have ever seen are publisher file copies or ones that were found in Europe.
My theory is that those two issues (and surely others) were only sold in
the very few outlets for Whitmans there in Europe (and I don't know why
they'd sell any of those bags in Europe except maybe at American military
basesmor sumpin'.) Or they were sold in such a limited quantity in America,
much more limited than any other Whitmans, that virtually all of them have
been lost to the hands of careless children as is the fate of most of those
comics.
Anyway, I'll tell you why I was asking that odd question. I came across a
duplicate issue of U$#179 and I wanted to find a good home for it. I wanted
to find some dedicated collector who had built up a full or near full set
of U$ except this rare issue. I didn't want to come right out and say "who
wants a free U$#179?" because I would risk someone (some nasty lurker or
such) to say "ME! ME!" and then take it from me and sell it. I've heard of
people offering up to $100-200 for copies. So, I wanted to find out who
needed a copy in an obtuse fashion. But... nobody spoke up, so I finally
gave it to someone I know not on this List.
KRITON:
> (yes, I even enjoyed
> the heavily criticized "Cash Flow")
Huh? Where was this going on? Yeah, it was an early, crudely drawn one...
but I've had people tell me it was their favorite story of mine. And *I*
even sorta like it (and that's not common).
PER:
> (Email removed) is the address of Dutch member Daniel van Eijmeren.
Oh, that's right! Sorry!
RICH:
> One final query. Back when Don Rosa presented his "Duck Family Tree"
> I remember reading that soon he would present a special story about Huey,
> Dewey & Louie's father. Has this story been published yet? If so where?
Hm? What was said that gave you that idea? I think I might have said that I
hoped to do such a story someday, somehow... but I don't know how or when.
I thing my words were that I'd do the story "when you least expect it"...
which is just a way of saying "I don't really know when or if or how I'll
ever do that darn story!"
But watch for a window-of-opportunity in 5 years. Or 10. I didn't use it as
the basis for the HD&L 60th Anniversary story I recently did, and only an
anniversary story would be a suitable moment.
Bhc
Disney comics Digest V97 #163
Message 50 -
1997-08-08 at 01:19:38
Rich:
No Gladstone title has ever been cancelled for any reason other than it was
losing money. And I don't mean losing money in the sense of not making as
much profit as other titles, just losing money. Period.
And you've got to be fair to Marvel. They never figured their Disney titles
would sell nearly as well as Spider-Man or X-Men. In some respects they did
their Disney's for the prestige, more than for profit, and even gave
Gladstone a hand with distribution and advertising when we were getting our
Disney comics back up and running.
Gary
****************************
"Ee!" - Tiffany Case (as two flaming shish kebabs unpleasantly
approach...)
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/
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No Gladstone title has ever been cancelled for any reason other than it was
losing money. And I don't mean losing money in the sense of not making as
much profit as other titles, just losing money. Period.
And you've got to be fair to Marvel. They never figured their Disney titles
would sell nearly as well as Spider-Man or X-Men. In some respects they did
their Disney's for the prestige, more than for profit, and even gave
Gladstone a hand with distribution and advertising when we were getting our
Disney comics back up and running.
Gary
****************************
"Ee!" - Tiffany Case (as two flaming shish kebabs unpleasantly
approach...)
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Rich Bellacera
MICKEY MOUSE
Message 51 -
1997-08-08 at 08:34:34
Well, well, well. I just picked up WDC #616 (it should have been available
yesterday, but with the UPS strike, the shop I go to had to go out of town to
pick up their comics so everything was delayed). I read the Letters Column
and I guess I wasn't suprised to see that every letter included a request for
MORE Mouse stories. Several asked them to print more Gottfriedson tales
thet they HAVEN'T already printed, and others asked them to restart a
Mickey book. The basic replies by Gladstone were 1) We've exhausted a
large portion of Gottfriedson tales that availble for publishing and the rest
are disallowed by Disney; and 2) We won't be reviving a Mickey title
because we loose money on them. So I guess the only way to fill the USA
demand for Disney comics that are other-than-ducks based is to purchase
them from other countries. At this rate, I think there is a good mail order
market that's primed, for which Gladstone won't be getting the profits.
NO SPOILERS:
However, it IS nice to see, not just one, but TWO Mouse tales in this issue
of WDC. Unfortunately I already have, and read "Dr. Oofgay's Secret
Serum," but it is surely a treat to see David's "Mickey Mouse Against the
World" finally printed in the USA!! ;-D. I really appreciate the attention
to detail I've noticed, especially the use of familiar, rarely seen characters
(like Butch, Prof. Dustibones, Neighbor Jones and even an up-to-date
rendition of Patricia Pigg!). Now I have but one problem with the stories:
There were only two of them! I guess I'll have to go read it again, and
then work on my website some more.
-Rich (http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html)
yesterday, but with the UPS strike, the shop I go to had to go out of town to
pick up their comics so everything was delayed). I read the Letters Column
and I guess I wasn't suprised to see that every letter included a request for
MORE Mouse stories. Several asked them to print more Gottfriedson tales
thet they HAVEN'T already printed, and others asked them to restart a
Mickey book. The basic replies by Gladstone were 1) We've exhausted a
large portion of Gottfriedson tales that availble for publishing and the rest
are disallowed by Disney; and 2) We won't be reviving a Mickey title
because we loose money on them. So I guess the only way to fill the USA
demand for Disney comics that are other-than-ducks based is to purchase
them from other countries. At this rate, I think there is a good mail order
market that's primed, for which Gladstone won't be getting the profits.
NO SPOILERS:
However, it IS nice to see, not just one, but TWO Mouse tales in this issue
of WDC. Unfortunately I already have, and read "Dr. Oofgay's Secret
Serum," but it is surely a treat to see David's "Mickey Mouse Against the
World" finally printed in the USA!! ;-D. I really appreciate the attention
to detail I've noticed, especially the use of familiar, rarely seen characters
(like Butch, Prof. Dustibones, Neighbor Jones and even an up-to-date
rendition of Patricia Pigg!). Now I have but one problem with the stories:
There were only two of them! I guess I'll have to go read it again, and
then work on my website some more.
-Rich (http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html)
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Avatar
Message 52 -
1997-08-08 at 13:03:02
CHRIS:
> BTW, I also agree with you on the "economic" angle of this story.
I knew that if anyone did, it would be you, Chris. Thanks.
> Oh, you noticed that too, eh, Augie? The climax definitely reminded me of
> the fifth and final chapter of "Golden Suns."
And on a related note: I'm on another comic book mailing list where I get my
plugs in for the duck books as often as I can. I had one member of that
listserv ask me yesterday if he, a long-time DuckTales fan, would be interested
in any of the duck comics. I pointed him - and the whole rest of the listserv
- directly to U$A #51. I do believe it is the PERFECT introduction to the duck
world.
Now I'm heading off to the comic store to pick up "His Majesty, McDuck." I'm
so excited.
-Augie
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VR.5 FAQkeeper - Watch VR.5 on The Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday Nights,
10 p.m. EST! Read the FAQ: http://www.nic.com/~augie/vr5/index.htm
> BTW, I also agree with you on the "economic" angle of this story.
I knew that if anyone did, it would be you, Chris. Thanks.
> Oh, you noticed that too, eh, Augie? The climax definitely reminded me of
> the fifth and final chapter of "Golden Suns."
And on a related note: I'm on another comic book mailing list where I get my
plugs in for the duck books as often as I can. I had one member of that
listserv ask me yesterday if he, a long-time DuckTales fan, would be interested
in any of the duck comics. I pointed him - and the whole rest of the listserv
- directly to U$A #51. I do believe it is the PERFECT introduction to the duck
world.
Now I'm heading off to the comic store to pick up "His Majesty, McDuck." I'm
so excited.
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * (Email removed)
VR.5 FAQkeeper - Watch VR.5 on The Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday Nights,
10 p.m. EST! Read the FAQ: http://www.nic.com/~augie/vr5/index.htm
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
The First International Don Rosa Survey: An update
Message 53 -
1997-08-08 at 14:01:25
FELLOW DUCKFANS:
Here follows my weekly reminder on the Rosa survey.
A few general INSTRUCTIONS: Answer as many categories as you wish. In each
category choose at MOST THREE picks.
Send your responses to: (Email removed)
BY SEPTEMBER 15, 1997.
Here's the Questionnaire once again:
INTERNATIONAL SURVEY ON DON ROSA
NAME:
NATIONALITY:
SEX:
AGE:
1) Pick at MOST 3 covers which you consider Rosa's BEST: (*NOTE*: NOT in
order of preference. Simply what you'd consider Don's 3 BEST covers).
2) Pick at MOST 3 OPENING SPLASH PANELS which you consider Rosa's BEST:
3) Pick at MOST 3 INTERIOR SPLASH PANELS which you consider Rosa's BEST:
4) Pick at MOST 3 stories (of any length) which you consider Rosa's WORST:
5) Pick at MOST 3 SHORT stories (2-14 pages long) which you consider Rosa's
BEST:
6) Pick at MOST 3 LONG stories (15 pages or more) which you consider Rosa's
BEST:
7) Pick at MOST 3 "BEST/CLEVEREST" hidden D.U.C.K.s. (in covers OR Splash
panels).
8) COMMENTS:
A lucky respondent shall receive an issue of the Greek KOMIX containing a
Rosa story.
I hope you have fun filling out the above questionnaire,
Archontis
Here follows my weekly reminder on the Rosa survey.
A few general INSTRUCTIONS: Answer as many categories as you wish. In each
category choose at MOST THREE picks.
Send your responses to: (Email removed)
BY SEPTEMBER 15, 1997.
Here's the Questionnaire once again:
INTERNATIONAL SURVEY ON DON ROSA
NAME:
NATIONALITY:
SEX:
AGE:
1) Pick at MOST 3 covers which you consider Rosa's BEST: (*NOTE*: NOT in
order of preference. Simply what you'd consider Don's 3 BEST covers).
2) Pick at MOST 3 OPENING SPLASH PANELS which you consider Rosa's BEST:
3) Pick at MOST 3 INTERIOR SPLASH PANELS which you consider Rosa's BEST:
4) Pick at MOST 3 stories (of any length) which you consider Rosa's WORST:
5) Pick at MOST 3 SHORT stories (2-14 pages long) which you consider Rosa's
BEST:
6) Pick at MOST 3 LONG stories (15 pages or more) which you consider Rosa's
BEST:
7) Pick at MOST 3 "BEST/CLEVEREST" hidden D.U.C.K.s. (in covers OR Splash
panels).
8) COMMENTS:
A lucky respondent shall receive an issue of the Greek KOMIX containing a
Rosa story.
I hope you have fun filling out the above questionnaire,
Archontis
Fabrizio
PKNA Special '97
Message 54 -
1997-08-08 at 23:51:40
Hi everybody,
A special (it is not part of the regular series) issue of PKNA is now on
sale (lit. 5800); it contains five shorts PK stories by various artist
(among which, Giorgio Cavazzano) + a *very* "tall" poster (cm. 25 X 128 !!).
A subscription card is also included. For lit. 39.000 you get a 12-issue
subscription + a "bonus" of the first three "Zero numbers". The good point
is that you can pay by credit card; the bad point is a small sign stating
"Offerta valida solo per l'Italia" (offer valid in Italy only) :-)
Mind you, this does not necessarily mean that foreign subscriptions are not
available; maybe subscription conditions are just different...
Best regards,
Fabrizio Cellerini
A special (it is not part of the regular series) issue of PKNA is now on
sale (lit. 5800); it contains five shorts PK stories by various artist
(among which, Giorgio Cavazzano) + a *very* "tall" poster (cm. 25 X 128 !!).
A subscription card is also included. For lit. 39.000 you get a 12-issue
subscription + a "bonus" of the first three "Zero numbers". The good point
is that you can pay by credit card; the bad point is a small sign stating
"Offerta valida solo per l'Italia" (offer valid in Italy only) :-)
Mind you, this does not necessarily mean that foreign subscriptions are not
available; maybe subscription conditions are just different...
Best regards,
Fabrizio Cellerini
Cebarat
Disney comics Digest V97 #163
Message 55 -
1997-08-09 at 06:57:52
DAVID GERSTEIN rushed to the defense of Horace Horsecollar by saying:
<<In his "classic" period -- which lasted from roughly 1931 through
1935 -- Horace was surprisingly like Barks' Donald. Donald is average
enough that we can all identify with him, as you noted, but any fond Duck
reader has to admit that he's a special kind of average: an underdog
actively fighting the elements (rather than just plodding along), trying to
distinguish himself by becoming an "expert" at something, occasionally
getting the upper hand and relishing it, but more often than not winding up
with the short end of the stick. This description applies just as well to
Horace.>>
Personally, I always saw Horace as an opinionated blue-collar guy -- a
Chester Riley type with a little bit of Fibber McGee mixed in. I thought
that Marv Wolfman's use of Horace in Disney Comics' MICKEY MOUSE ADVENTURES
was right on target insofar as this personality is concerned. I don't see
Horace being as prone as Donald is to get-rich-quick schemes and the like,
but I do see him getting himself in trouble with his mouth, as Donald
frequently does.
I think that there's still some life left in Horace, and I applaud David's
decision to use him in his stories.
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"OOPS! THAT DARN EJECT BUTTON IS ALWAYS GETTIN' IN THE WAY!" -- Launchpad
McQuack, "DuckTales" episode "Till Nephews Do Us Part"
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #164
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<<In his "classic" period -- which lasted from roughly 1931 through
1935 -- Horace was surprisingly like Barks' Donald. Donald is average
enough that we can all identify with him, as you noted, but any fond Duck
reader has to admit that he's a special kind of average: an underdog
actively fighting the elements (rather than just plodding along), trying to
distinguish himself by becoming an "expert" at something, occasionally
getting the upper hand and relishing it, but more often than not winding up
with the short end of the stick. This description applies just as well to
Horace.>>
Personally, I always saw Horace as an opinionated blue-collar guy -- a
Chester Riley type with a little bit of Fibber McGee mixed in. I thought
that Marv Wolfman's use of Horace in Disney Comics' MICKEY MOUSE ADVENTURES
was right on target insofar as this personality is concerned. I don't see
Horace being as prone as Donald is to get-rich-quick schemes and the like,
but I do see him getting himself in trouble with his mouth, as Donald
frequently does.
I think that there's still some life left in Horace, and I applaud David's
decision to use him in his stories.
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"OOPS! THAT DARN EJECT BUTTON IS ALWAYS GETTIN' IN THE WAY!" -- Launchpad
McQuack, "DuckTales" episode "Till Nephews Do Us Part"
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #164
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Rich Bellacera
Disney comics availability
Message 56 -
1997-08-09 at 08:31:57
From: GARY ((Email removed))
>No Gladstone title has ever been cancelled for any reason other than it was
>losing money. And I don't mean losing money in the sense of not making
>as much profit as other titles, just losing money. Period.
O.K., maybe I'm being a bit harsh and cynical concerning the motivations
of Marvel and Gladstone for dropping so many wonderful Disney comics
titles (all of which I collected). I guess I'm speaking more from my
frustration for the lack of Mickey and other "non-Duck" Disney material. I
like the Ducks and all, but it's like being served lasagna every single
meal. I
love lasagna (I'm Italian, how could I not), but if I only ate lasagna every
time, I think I'd get sick of it, or atleast seek out something else to eat
so I
could build back a craving for lasgna again. The other thing that frustrates
me is the fact that there are so many cool looking titles, even Duck titles,
available overseas, like the new Darker Super Donald stuff and Jose Carioca
and other stuff that we don't get to try out here in the States. If I was a
Billionaire I sure this wouldn't be an issue for me (I'd just hop on my
private
jet and snatch a few titles off the shelves in France, England, Brazil and
elsewhere and come home and pay my translator(s) to read them to me. But
I'm not even a "thousand-aire" so I can only purchase what is available in my
home town, which is limited to basically Uncle $crooge & Donald Duck, and
I hear there are going to be two new U$ & Donald titles starting up (no
Mickey). That's why WDC will remain my favorite Disney title, even though
it is usually packed with Duck tales, of which I wish there were more
"DuckTales" (i.e. based on the T.V. series).
Sorry for rambling, but I don't think I'm alone concerning the lack of Mickey
and other "non-Ducks" tales. :-( I'll quit whining about this now. But, as
soon as a new Disney Title (non-Ducks) is available, I promise you, I'll be
all over it.... like honey on Winnie the Pooh. :-)
Next.....
>No Gladstone title has ever been cancelled for any reason other than it was
>losing money. And I don't mean losing money in the sense of not making
>as much profit as other titles, just losing money. Period.
O.K., maybe I'm being a bit harsh and cynical concerning the motivations
of Marvel and Gladstone for dropping so many wonderful Disney comics
titles (all of which I collected). I guess I'm speaking more from my
frustration for the lack of Mickey and other "non-Duck" Disney material. I
like the Ducks and all, but it's like being served lasagna every single
meal. I
love lasagna (I'm Italian, how could I not), but if I only ate lasagna every
time, I think I'd get sick of it, or atleast seek out something else to eat
so I
could build back a craving for lasgna again. The other thing that frustrates
me is the fact that there are so many cool looking titles, even Duck titles,
available overseas, like the new Darker Super Donald stuff and Jose Carioca
and other stuff that we don't get to try out here in the States. If I was a
Billionaire I sure this wouldn't be an issue for me (I'd just hop on my
private
jet and snatch a few titles off the shelves in France, England, Brazil and
elsewhere and come home and pay my translator(s) to read them to me. But
I'm not even a "thousand-aire" so I can only purchase what is available in my
home town, which is limited to basically Uncle $crooge & Donald Duck, and
I hear there are going to be two new U$ & Donald titles starting up (no
Mickey). That's why WDC will remain my favorite Disney title, even though
it is usually packed with Duck tales, of which I wish there were more
"DuckTales" (i.e. based on the T.V. series).
Sorry for rambling, but I don't think I'm alone concerning the lack of Mickey
and other "non-Ducks" tales. :-( I'll quit whining about this now. But, as
soon as a new Disney Title (non-Ducks) is available, I promise you, I'll be
all over it.... like honey on Winnie the Pooh. :-)
Next.....
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #164
Message 57 -
1997-08-09 at 09:24:17
THE BIG SLEEP:
This is off-topic, I know... but I might have lead some movie buffs astray
with my comments about an alternate version of the classic "The Big Sleep".
I received a few private inquiries after I brought it up on a recent
Digest. But I've been checkin' around and I found out more info to quickly
pass along and then drop it.
The recent showing of the original, unreleased cut of this movie was shown
last Sunday for the first time on TV on Turner Classics Movies (satellite
channel), and is not scheduled to appear again. It was listed in the
schedule at 165 minutes, 51 minutes longer than the 1946 release version...
and I suspected that was much too long. They rarely make movies this long
now, much less 1944. And there's just no way they could add 51 minutes to a
tightly plotted movie... where would it fit? As I kinda figured, most of
that 51 minutes was a documentary about the film and the two versions,
showing all the deleted and added scenes. So, the actual original version
is about the same length as the released version, plus or minus, only with
different scenes. (Still pretty exciting.)
This is off-topic, I know... but I might have lead some movie buffs astray
with my comments about an alternate version of the classic "The Big Sleep".
I received a few private inquiries after I brought it up on a recent
Digest. But I've been checkin' around and I found out more info to quickly
pass along and then drop it.
The recent showing of the original, unreleased cut of this movie was shown
last Sunday for the first time on TV on Turner Classics Movies (satellite
channel), and is not scheduled to appear again. It was listed in the
schedule at 165 minutes, 51 minutes longer than the 1946 release version...
and I suspected that was much too long. They rarely make movies this long
now, much less 1944. And there's just no way they could add 51 minutes to a
tightly plotted movie... where would it fit? As I kinda figured, most of
that 51 minutes was a documentary about the film and the two versions,
showing all the deleted and added scenes. So, the actual original version
is about the same length as the released version, plus or minus, only with
different scenes. (Still pretty exciting.)
David Gerstein
Butch and Horace thoughts
Message 58 -
1997-08-09 at 12:41:11
RICH:
>It is surely a treat to see David's "Mickey Mouse Against the
>World" finally printed in the USA!!
Thanks! You can imagine how I feel ;-)
>the use of familiar, rarely seen characters (like Butch, Prof. Dustibones,
>Neighbor Jones and even an up-to-date rendition of Patricia Pigg!).
The appearance of Donald's Neighbor Jones in his car on the last
panel of page 4 took even me by surprise! (Since when did *he* live near
Mickey? Oh, well, I'm glad Ferioli likes him!)
I once told Harry, BTW, that I drew the line at reviving characters
like Patricia Pigg, who were too obscure even for me. I soon had to eat my
words when I remembered the present story...
>then work on my website some more.
>-Rich (http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html)
Hey, nice site! I liked that you had a page for Butch -- was the
larger picture of him one that you'd drawn yourself? Mind if I snatch it
for my own home page? Butch will be back, BTW, in WDC&S 619.
CHRIS:
>I don't see Horace being as prone as Donald is to get-rich-quick schemes and
>the like, but I do see him getting himself in trouble with his mouth, as Donald
>frequently does.
I think we'd see more of those get-rich-quick schemes were Horace
to star in his own stories, rather than just the solo one-pagers he
occasionally gets from Egmont. Still, maybe Butch is the best candidate
for get-rich-quick scheming in the Mouse universe, especially seeing as
he's a reformed villain's sidekick (not unlike Aladdin's Iago, albeit
friendlier).
<(Email removed)>
Also <(Email removed)>
>It is surely a treat to see David's "Mickey Mouse Against the
>World" finally printed in the USA!!
Thanks! You can imagine how I feel ;-)
>the use of familiar, rarely seen characters (like Butch, Prof. Dustibones,
>Neighbor Jones and even an up-to-date rendition of Patricia Pigg!).
The appearance of Donald's Neighbor Jones in his car on the last
panel of page 4 took even me by surprise! (Since when did *he* live near
Mickey? Oh, well, I'm glad Ferioli likes him!)
I once told Harry, BTW, that I drew the line at reviving characters
like Patricia Pigg, who were too obscure even for me. I soon had to eat my
words when I remembered the present story...
>then work on my website some more.
>-Rich (http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html)
Hey, nice site! I liked that you had a page for Butch -- was the
larger picture of him one that you'd drawn yourself? Mind if I snatch it
for my own home page? Butch will be back, BTW, in WDC&S 619.
CHRIS:
>I don't see Horace being as prone as Donald is to get-rich-quick schemes and
>the like, but I do see him getting himself in trouble with his mouth, as Donald
>frequently does.
I think we'd see more of those get-rich-quick schemes were Horace
to star in his own stories, rather than just the solo one-pagers he
occasionally gets from Egmont. Still, maybe Butch is the best candidate
for get-rich-quick scheming in the Mouse universe, especially seeing as
he's a reformed villain's sidekick (not unlike Aladdin's Iago, albeit
friendlier).
<(Email removed)>
Also <(Email removed)>
Geir J. Netland
The Attack of the...
Message 59 -
1997-08-09 at 16:28:15
Don's Signature...
Did anyone find the DR in the Splash panel of "The Attack of the
Hideous..." story? The same way of writing the initials as Don did in
his
"Pertwillably" stories..
If this isn't signing a story, then nothing is:-)
Did anyone find the DR in the Splash panel of "The Attack of the
Hideous..." story? The same way of writing the initials as Don did in
his
"Pertwillably" stories..
If this isn't signing a story, then nothing is:-)
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V97 #164
Message 60 -
1997-08-09 at 18:27:00
DON:
> > (yes, I even enjoyed
> > the heavily criticized "Cash Flow")
>
> Huh? Where was this going on? Yeah, it was an early, crudely drawn one...
> but I've had people tell me it was their favorite story of mine. And *I*
> even sorta like it (and that's not common).
I have seen negative comments on the story, including a recent attempt
to tear the story apart, right on this list.
As I stated before, I disagree with this criticism. I suspect that it
stems from people having expected to read another "quest" type adventure
like "Son of the Sun". However, just because the story was different
this does not mean it was bad. The story was structured similarly to
"The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" (the Beagles get hold of a gadget
that suspends some law of physics, we get to see lots of gags resulting
from said suspension, then the Beagles are defeated by having the gadget
used against them), and there were no complaints about the latter story.
ME: ;-)
Last month, KOMIX had announced that this month they would be printing
the Jippes version of Barks' "Duckmade Disaster", under the Greek title
"Coot's Hut", where Scrooge's fellow Duckburgians wanted him to move his
money bin, because it had been built on the historic site of Cornelius
Coot's first cabin. At that time I wondered why Barks was contradicting
himself, having the money bin on top of Coot's cabin rather than Fort
Duckburg. It turns out that he wasnt't. When asked to move his money
bin, Scrooge replies: "Move it? I moved it only last year! From the site
of old Fort Duckburg." Thus, Barks is not contradicting himself, after
all. He even shows the money bin with wheels, as it was shown in the end
of the US 15 story, where Scrooge kept being forced to move his money bin.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Where there's a will, there's a..."
"Beneficiary!"
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> > (yes, I even enjoyed
> > the heavily criticized "Cash Flow")
>
> Huh? Where was this going on? Yeah, it was an early, crudely drawn one...
> but I've had people tell me it was their favorite story of mine. And *I*
> even sorta like it (and that's not common).
I have seen negative comments on the story, including a recent attempt
to tear the story apart, right on this list.
As I stated before, I disagree with this criticism. I suspect that it
stems from people having expected to read another "quest" type adventure
like "Son of the Sun". However, just because the story was different
this does not mean it was bad. The story was structured similarly to
"The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" (the Beagles get hold of a gadget
that suspends some law of physics, we get to see lots of gags resulting
from said suspension, then the Beagles are defeated by having the gadget
used against them), and there were no complaints about the latter story.
ME: ;-)
Last month, KOMIX had announced that this month they would be printing
the Jippes version of Barks' "Duckmade Disaster", under the Greek title
"Coot's Hut", where Scrooge's fellow Duckburgians wanted him to move his
money bin, because it had been built on the historic site of Cornelius
Coot's first cabin. At that time I wondered why Barks was contradicting
himself, having the money bin on top of Coot's cabin rather than Fort
Duckburg. It turns out that he wasnt't. When asked to move his money
bin, Scrooge replies: "Move it? I moved it only last year! From the site
of old Fort Duckburg." Thus, Barks is not contradicting himself, after
all. He even shows the money bin with wheels, as it was shown in the end
of the US 15 story, where Scrooge kept being forced to move his money bin.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Where there's a will, there's a..."
"Beneficiary!"
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