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Eta Beta
DWIGHT

> You may have another few years because your magazine distribution system
isn't corrupt, and
> you have major publishers involved.

You must be joking! The fact that major publishers, and the related
advertising business, are involved is the ONLY reason we have an
*apparently* flourishing market for Disney comics, in Europe.

I believe the distribution system is actually an evil worldwide
organization (probably a branch of S.P.E.C.T.R.E.), devoted to the total
destruction of every form of intelligent reading on the planet...

Half-jokes apart, the "Crisis" we're discussing is not "just" a Disney
thing, as you observed yourself in France.

Another comic that could be compared to Disney stuff, BONE, went back to
independent publishing after Image dropped it, some time ago, and an
awful lot of comics disappeared from the shelves in the past couple of
years, in Italy, and quite a few super-hero stuff, too.
There used to be some 5 Spiderman and X-men titles, now there's only 2
each, and other titles like Wonder-woman and Catwoman were suppressed
(seems like bad grrls are not that fashionable anymore, either), not to
mention the nearly unbelievable attempts to reprint in digest format
stuff like Dick Tracy, which lasted 5 issues, and Popeye (9 issues).

> I think comic books as a mass medium are in deep trouble

That's the problem! Comic books as *WE* know them probably are.

> Kids!are!not!reading!

Well, that's not quite true... fact is, whenever I enter a comic
bookshop, it seems like Tokyo.
Kids simply adore the Mangas. Why? Search me. I detest the stuff, but
there must be something I'm missing in there... If we could understand
what it is, perhaps we could find a way to reach the different tastes of
"modern" kids.

I said before that I don't particularly like the new PKNA (Paperinik)
title, but I join the ranks of those suggesting it to GLADSTONE as a
possible "crack" for the American market.
It is undoubtedly "modern", and the art is really good. Think about it.

Cheers

Eta Beta

Email to : Eta Beta <(Email removed)>
Wilmer Rivers
Dave Rawson writes:
> One of the great charms of the Gyro stories for me when I was a child
> was the inclusion of the little helper. He never spoke. He never was
> directly referred to (that I recall), nor was he ever even mentioned by
> another character (that I recall).

A story in which other characters interacted with the little
helper was "Milktime Melodies". Grandma Duck was frightened by him,
since he had become magnetized, fallen into her barrel of nails, and
had emerged from the barrel with the nails clinging to him, as
if he were a porcupine! She then proceded to start plucking the
nails off him. But of course this was highly unusual - normally the
helper engaged in some running gags quite apart from the main plot
of the story, unnoticed by the other characters, and the challenege
was for us readers to notice it! In this regard he was used a lot
like all those characters in Mad Magazine who would be carrying on
in the background, appearing to be just visual clutter until you
took a careful look at what they were doing.

Wilmer Rivers
Bhc
This is my final turn around the Disney comics ballroom for 1997, with Don
Markstein leading:

> You might...recall that Egmont was among those considering the U.S. Disney
> license several years ago, when Disney Comics folded. For a wide
> variety of reasons (some of which had little or nothing to do
> with the U.S. market) they decided it wasn't for them.

On an even earlier occasion, Egmont explored the possibility of purchasing
Gladstone. They passed, but then they hired Byron (who left Gladstone after
Disney yanked our license). That's a pretty solid link with the American
comics market right there.

>DEAN REKICH --
> >>"While these contain reprints of comic stories, these
> >>certainly would not be considered comic books by anyone."
> You're just plain wrong here, when you say "certainly"
> and "by anyone".

The term "comic book" was coined to describe magazine reprint collections
of newspaper comic strips. Another term, less often used but, in fact, far
more accurate, was "comics magazine." Both are still in use today, though
of course the format they describe is no longer used for its original
purpose (except with such aberrations as...hmmm...oh yeah, the late,
lamented Donald Duck).

If you want to be persnickety about it...and that seems to be the mood I'm
in at the moment...the only proper "comic books" going in the US are those
you find in bookstores selling for $12.95 that collect, usually uncolored,
such things as Calvin and Hobbes, Foxtrot, Dilbert, For Better Or For
Worse, Doonesbury, etc. And they sell like crazy!

> >>"Are 7 dollar comic books what the fans want or what Gladstone
> >>wants?"
> My guess would be neither -- but they're the ones
> Gladstone can sell without losing money -- and even then, it's
> only by putting a dollop of "fan favorite" stuff (e.g., new Rosa
> material) in each one that they can make it. Given a change in
> the market that goes into effect first of the year (i.e., new
> policies on the part of about 30-40% of America's newsstand
> distributors), the regular Gladstone comics simply are no longer
> viable. The choice is not between regular comics and $7 ones --
> it's between $7 comics and none at all.

Just so. Still, what a difference a week makes. Cancelling our newsstand
titles has cleared our heads, and blown a sobering blast through other
craniums as well. Alternatives, some old, some new, some previously
unimaginable, are now getting a considerable amount of attention.

>GARY LEACH --
> Sorry if this strikes you as bad taste, but have you guys
> considered trying to "ride" the superhero trend by reprinting a
> few PAPERINIK stories? They seem to be reasonably popular where
> they've been done, and some people here actually claim they're
> decent reading. Maybe a couple stuck in the back of WDC&S could
> test the waters, leading to a mini-series, chrome covers,
> killing off a nephew...

Knock off Phooey, eh? Naw, he's never around long enough for us to draw a
bead on 'im.

Those Paperinik stories, though, may just get a shot. We've been hamstrung
by Disney's opinion of such material, and our own disinclination to use
material with such a non-traditional approach to the traditional
characters, but, hey, the times they are a changin'...

Stay tuned.

Gary

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Hoy Murphy
The following is from the Diamond Comics Distributors web page
<www.diamondcomics.com> that includes information that will be in the n=
ew
solicitation catalog available later this month:

"Happy Birthday, Barkster!
If you're a fan of the Ducks, then the following goes without saying: C=
arl
Barks is the Duck artist!

The folks at Gladstone agree, so when it came time to celebrate Barks' =
97th
birthday, they did so in style, with a new publication: Walt Disney's C=
omics
in Color. The premiere issue begins an ongoing series of trade paperbac=
ks that
commemorate the history of the Ducks by reprinting some of their earlie=
st and
most beloved adventures.

The first issue is dedicated to Barks, the man whose popularity and tal=
ent
helped perpetuate the success of the characters he drew and wrote so we=
ll. It
contains eight stories from the '30s through the '60s, all classics by =
Barks.
And because it is so important to remember one's origins, the final sto=
ry in
the volume is a ten-pager by Barks' mentor, Floyd Gottfredson, the man =
who
preceded the Duck Man.

Check out the new Walt Disney's Comics in Color this month and in futur=
e
issues of Previews!

WALT DISNEY'S COMICS IN COLOR #1
Carl Barks 97th Birthday Commemorative Debut Issue! Though Uncle Scroog=
e,
Daisy Duck, and Mickey Mouse all guest-star, this intro-duck-tory issue=
of
Walt Disney=92s Comics in Color primarily features the duck that starte=
d it all:
Donald Duck, who has maintained his prominence throughout the career of=
the
Old Duck Man, Carl Barks, to whom this 97th Commemorative Birthday issu=
e is
dedicated. Eight complete stories from the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s are
featured, all classic squawkers and all by Barks, except for a concludi=
ng
10-pager drawn by Barks=92 mentor, Flloyd Gottfredson, which originally=
appeared
the first year after Donald=92s debut. Carl=92s first story ("Donald=92=
s Victory
Garden") leads the book. Other famous tales: "Mocking Bird Ridge," "The
Runaway Train," and "The Chickadee Challenge." This is the first in a s=
eries
of "Uncle Scrooge Bargain Books," with a $15.00 page and size value at =
a
retail cost of only $9.95! NOTE: Not available outside the U.S. or Cana=
da.
(CAUT: 3)

SC, 8x11, 78pg, FC..........$9.95"

I got a chuckle out of this "celebration" and "dedication considering t=
he
lawsuits that are flying. Anyway, this is close to my suggestion of a =
"phone
book" collection of Barks stories, and I hope it does well. I wouldn't=
buy
yet another re-re-re-reprint of these stories for myself, but I will bu=
y them
as gifts to my son. He will eventually inherit my Library in Color
collection, but that's a few years down the road. I hope.

--your pal, Hoy

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End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #281
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David B. Fenske
A couple of days ago I wandered into my local direct order comic store and
did something I will never do again - picked up several Gladstone disney
regular-priced newstand comics.

With trembling hands, I raised THE ADVENTUROUS UNCLE SCROOGE MCDUCK #2,
soon realizing it held a full length Rosa epic, commemorating the 50th
Anniversary of Scrooge. And what an adventure! Most of the major
characters, all the usual suspects, and a mysterious villain, plus a visit
by Glittering Goldie and a very romantic & risque duck smooch. Some very
funny scenes. The way that all the baddies banded together reminded me of
some of the older superhero comics - where all of Batman's enemies grouped
together to defeat him, for example. And the link to TLATOSM was kinda
neat. In my opinion, one of the best Rosa's in a long time - and that's
saying something since all of his stories are among his best (have I ever
read a Rosa I *didn't* like - hmmm, I'll have to think about that for a
while....)

Uncle Scrooge & Donald Duck #2 looked good enough to buy, and I did.
However, Geoffrey Blum's Dateline:Duckburg notes almost seem to apologize
for these stories - "and little in this comic jumps out at me." And
although I've only skimmed the stories, his criticisms seem valid. So the
question is - why publish them? Just because they're new? As a change
from old Barks? Maybe they're not *that* bad. I'll get back to you...

As always, I left DD behind, although it did look better than usual.

Still, a passing of an era. Now instead of having several smaller ones to
choose from, there will be two bigger more $$$ ones. Still, we should be
grateful for those, and I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with
Uncle Scrooge. And now, from Hoy Murphy's post, it sounds like there will
be a 3rd (monthly? bi-monthly?) title: Walt Disney's Comics in Color. A
question to you Gladstoners: will this be a prestige format like WDC&S, or
bigger and more expensive? I take it the $9.95 list price is in USD, so
will this be in album format?

Hoy: you mention "lawsuits flying," just exactly what are you referring to
here?

I hope all of you on the list have a very Merry Christmas.

Dave F.
Bill Wormstedt
Don Rosa said:

>> and (though it's not a classic movie of the
>>type Don seems to enjoy) the "underground Duckburg" reminded me of the

>>subterranean New York City glimpsed in "Beneath the Planet of the
Apes".
>
>Again, probably so... but the movie I specifically had in mind was not
a
>so-called "classic" either... I don't just like "classics", I like
movies
>that I like... it was a mere TV movie, a sequel to my second favorite
TV
>movie, entitled "The Night Strangler", where the early city of Seattle
(I
>believe it was) is found forgotten and preserved below the modern day
>streets.

You're right Don - "The Night Strangler" was set in the 'underground'
Seattle.

However - what you saw on TV does not look like the 'real' underground
Seattle. Not, at least, the parts of the underground tour I've seen.
Still, it's an interesting thing to see. If you ever get out this way
again, please let me know - I'd be glad to show it to you!

--

Bill Wormstedt
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Michael Naiman
Is this "new" reprint edition going to be called Volume #2 of
Walt Disney's Comics in Color?
Remember the old series that repackaged the Gladstone Comic Albums.....
they all had new Rosa covers.
Alexander Gruenke
HIHO!

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I WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Well, things certainly get more and more interesting... Even more new stuff
than what even Hoy mentioned. It's completely high-end collectors now.

Here's the rundown on what Gladstone is publishing in March of 1998:

WALT DISNEY'S COMICS IN COLOR #1
Contains 8 complete stories by Barks, excepting one from Gottfredson
"Donald's Victory Garden", "Mocking Bird Ridge," "The Runaway Train," "The
Chickadee Challenge."
Here's the blurb at the end about it: "This is the first in a series of "Uncle
$crooge Bargain Books," with a $15.00 page and size value fat a retail cost of
only $9.95!
78 pages, 8x11.....$9.95

THE BIGGEST BIG MICKEY MOUSE
310 pages of complete MM stories: "The Seven Ghosts," "The Bar-None Ranch," The
Monarch of Medioka," "and "Sheriff of Nugget Gulch." Only 2000 copies are
being printed.
SC, 8x11......$29.95

UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #41
"Crown of the Mayas" and "The Invisible Intruder" from U$ #44
$9.95

UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #42
"Isle of the Golden Geese" and "The Travel Tightwad" from U$ #45
$9.95

[Yup, the prices have now gone up on these albums. -Augie]

UNCLE $CROOGE #309
The first of the prestige format books
"WHADALOTTAJARGON" by Don Rosa complete in this issue
"Money to Burn" and "Deep Sea Trouble" by Vicar
"King of Fools"
And a Gyro Gearloose story from US #41
The cover is a wraparound reprint of the Barks painting "This Dollar Saved My
Life at Whitehorse."
$6.95

WDC&S #624
"Their Loaded Forebear" a new WVH 10 page story
"Hole in the Wall at Hoodooyadoo" concludes by McGreal and Ferioli
"Clara Cluck" by Ken Hultgren from WDC&S #34
"Secret of the Ancient Incas" ends, from Paul Murray
"Gyro and Gladstone" by Bars (from 4 Color #1095)
"Bucky Bug" by I presume our very own Don Markstein
"Metaphorically Speaking," by Don Rosa (WDC&S #531)
Dan Jippes cover
$6.95

-Augie
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D Decker
On Dec 22, 10:20pm, Matthew R. Sommer wrote:

> why doesnt Disney authorize "digests" ala the Archie comics?
>
Interesting question. I don't have the answer to that, but it
might be instructive to review past history. Western published
a Disney comics digest into the '70s. When Gladstone took up
publication of Disney comics the first time in the '80s, it
began with some regular digests (distributed and sold along
with the Archie digests, as I recall), but they were eventually
discontinued. Disney Comics published a digest of its own that
got supermarket rack space. My impression is that none of these
were spectacularly successful. If we knew why, it might answer
the question of whether it would be worthwhile to try the format
again.

--Dwight Decker
Donald D. Markstein
DAVE RAWSON --
I don't have specific references (but could probably find
them easily enough if nobody else does), but I clearly remember
Gyro addressing Helper directly, and even, occasionally,
referring to him when speaking to others. It is from those
instances that I learned his name -- which, by the way, became
one of a series of questions in a trivia quiz I ran in an
ancient fanzine (i.e., "what is the name of the ape in GEORGE OF
THE JUNGLE, what is the name of Gyro Gearloose's helper, etc.)
I see, by the way, that you refer to him as "the little
helper", rather than simply "Helper". I first saw that in the
Egmont writing guidelines -- other than that, I've never seen an
adjective that closely associated with him; and I've always
regarded the one-word designation as a proper name. I figure it
must have arisen as some sort of artifact of translation, but in
English, I STILL call him just plain "Helper".
Sorry I don't have any thoughts on your recent Gyro story
in particular, but I haven't had an opportunity to read it. I
do, tho, like an occasional silent panel or sequence, and have
noticed that editors tend less in that direction -- that is, as
often as not, my silent panels have been edited to include
words. I wonder -- and this may be just too far afield to have
any validity, but still -- I wonder if the more-frequent
inclusion of pantomime sequences might contribute to the ease
and speed with which manga-style comics are read, and thence to
their growing popularity.

GARY LEACH --
>> Cancelling our newsstand titles has cleared our heads, and
>> blown a sobering blast through other craniums as well.
>> Alternatives, some old, some new, some previously
>> unimaginable, are now getting a considerable amount of
>> attention."
I am REALLY glad to hear this! I hope to hear some news
about it in the near-to-middlin' future, and will no-doubt
pester you guys for same as we're settling into the new year.

Quack, Don=
Francois Willot
DAVE RAWSON:

The story you wrote is not yet published here, so I can't say anything
about it. I can only add some minor facts about Little Helper: two years
ago, I saw a story featuring Gyro's Little Helper as the **hero**, "La
strana indisposizione di Edi" (Edi is Little Helper's Italian name), by
Anna Marabelli and Andreiana Saio, originally published in "Minnie &
Cie" # 25. In this story, "Helper" disappears, and Gyro, Donald and
Daisy are looking for him everywhere in Duckburg. "Edi" has various
adventures with a cat, a child who wants to "play" with him, and, at the
end, with a strange woman, a sort of termagent, who puts him in the
dustbin. Gyro, DD and Daisy eventually find him in Duckburg's rubbish
dump. He finally falls in love with a lamp. There is a lot of pages
showing Little Helper's adventures with *no* dialogues at all (at least
in the reprint I have). So, stories with "Edi" as an important character
are quite rare, but exist (there also is the Barks story someone talked
about before).

Francois
Marco Barlotti
FRANCOIS:

>
>BTW, I re-read "Paperino... anno 2001" (I TL 309-A) by Mazzanti and
>Gatto. In the version I have (the "Classici" version), it seems that the
>first splash panel is NOT by Gatto (it's very different than the rest of
>the story). It looks like it was done by Perego. Could anyone here say
>more about that? What was the original "Topolino" version?
>

You haven't studied your FSB, Francois, or you wouldn't ask this! Your
"Classici" verison is in fact 39 pages vs. the 40 pages of the original version!
Not only the splash panel has been re-drawn (by Perego, as you say...), but
other panels are missing!

Now, since in a few hours I think Santa Claus is bringing here a scanner, I
solemny promise that -if I learn to use it!- I shall put a scanned copy of
the original panels on my WWW site in a couple of days...

Merry Christmas!

Marco
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