Being an avid fan of various aspects of Disney animation, comics and such,
I have recently discovered that in France many comics featuring the "Disney
Babies" are published. In America we have seen books and other products
which feature the "Disney Babies" (not "beanie babies") usually produced for
baby nurseries and clothing and such, but have rarely seen any examples of
actual comics published here (with one notable example, specifically in
"Walt Disney's Comics and Stories" #582 starring Baby Pete in "Pete's
Pacifier").
I have pictures of Baby Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Daisy, Goofy, Pluto, Pete,
Gyro, Cluck, Horace and Clarabelle, but I have never seen an example of Baby
Gladstone. If anyone can possibly scan or forward an image of Baby Gladstone
I would greatly appreciate it. I believe in France he is called "Gontran"
and in
Italy he is known as "Gastone" (as in Portuguese). Italy, France and
Brazil are
perhaps the most common places where Disney Baby comics are published.
You can reach me at: (Email removed)
Thank you
Rich
-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
Author
Topic: 199803
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Rich Bellacera
Disney comics Digest V98 #88
Message 241 -
1998-03-30 at 10:00:01
D Decker
Junkville Journal
Message 242 -
1998-03-30 at 18:51:14
On Mar 29, 1:51pm, Donald D. Markstein wrote:
> Subject: Junkville Journal
> But the operant factor is probably trademark, not
> copyright. An individual work can be copyrighted, but a title or
> character can be trademarked, and that lasts longer -- as long as
> the property is in use and the trademark is maintained, in fact.
> Thus, we may arrive at a point where STEAMBOAT WILLIE is in the
> public domain, but Mickey Mouse is not. If such should become the
> case, anyone could use the cartoon (risking having to defend a
> perhaps-baseless lawsuit, of course), but only as long as
> Mickey's name is not used to sell it.
Maybe one example of what might happen is those public domain cartoon
collections you can buy for about $2.99 at the drugstore. There are certain
specific cartoons featuring popular characters like Superman, Porky Pig, and
Daffy Duck that through oversight or whatever never had the copyrights renewed
and are now fair game for anyone to sell. However, only the specific existing
cartoons themselves are in the public domain; you can't make new cartoons
featuring those characters because they're still trademarked by the original
owners. There's usually a note somewhere on the box claiming that the box art
is an "enhanced" frame blow-up from the actual cartoon (badly redrawn is more
like it), suggesting that even new art to promote the otherwise public domain
cartoon is beyond the bounds of the permissible. The bottom-feeding video
companies are able to thumb their nose at a company as big as Warners by
walking a fairly narrow line -- so when Mickey Mouse cartoons start falling
into public domain, could even Disney squelch them?
--Dwight Decker
> Subject: Junkville Journal
> But the operant factor is probably trademark, not
> copyright. An individual work can be copyrighted, but a title or
> character can be trademarked, and that lasts longer -- as long as
> the property is in use and the trademark is maintained, in fact.
> Thus, we may arrive at a point where STEAMBOAT WILLIE is in the
> public domain, but Mickey Mouse is not. If such should become the
> case, anyone could use the cartoon (risking having to defend a
> perhaps-baseless lawsuit, of course), but only as long as
> Mickey's name is not used to sell it.
Maybe one example of what might happen is those public domain cartoon
collections you can buy for about $2.99 at the drugstore. There are certain
specific cartoons featuring popular characters like Superman, Porky Pig, and
Daffy Duck that through oversight or whatever never had the copyrights renewed
and are now fair game for anyone to sell. However, only the specific existing
cartoons themselves are in the public domain; you can't make new cartoons
featuring those characters because they're still trademarked by the original
owners. There's usually a note somewhere on the box claiming that the box art
is an "enhanced" frame blow-up from the actual cartoon (badly redrawn is more
like it), suggesting that even new art to promote the otherwise public domain
cartoon is beyond the bounds of the permissible. The bottom-feeding video
companies are able to thumb their nose at a company as big as Warners by
walking a fairly narrow line -- so when Mickey Mouse cartoons start falling
into public domain, could even Disney squelch them?
--Dwight Decker
Fluks, H.W.
Swedish Mice
Message 243 -
1998-03-30 at 19:33:54
Per-Erik:
> Oh, I was the one who sent facts about "Musse Pigg-tidningen" to this list.
> If anyone is interested, I will try to get more information about the
> stories that were made in Sweden. Maybe even scan a few pages *if* the
> library allow me to copy things from the end of the thirties.
That would be very interesting!
--Harry.
> Oh, I was the one who sent facts about "Musse Pigg-tidningen" to this list.
> If anyone is interested, I will try to get more information about the
> stories that were made in Sweden. Maybe even scan a few pages *if* the
> library allow me to copy things from the end of the thirties.
That would be very interesting!
--Harry.
Marco Barlotti
URL for the Scarpa story discovered by David Gerstein!
Message 244 -
1998-03-30 at 19:56:04
Really looks like Scarpa, so I'll bet it's by Scarpa!
But judge for yourselves looking at the MM Weekly story discovered by David
Gerstein!
I've put it on my WWW site. It's not yet linked (but soon will be), and
anyway who cares?
You can jump directly to it at the following URL:
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/Unreprinted/mmweekly1.html
Marco
But judge for yourselves looking at the MM Weekly story discovered by David
Gerstein!
I've put it on my WWW site. It's not yet linked (but soon will be), and
anyway who cares?
You can jump directly to it at the following URL:
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/Unreprinted/mmweekly1.html
Marco
Kfitz
Re-re-reprints
Message 245 -
1998-03-30 at 20:00:12
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For my husband and I it isn't so much that there are a lot of Bark's
reprints lately, but there are the same ones reprinted then reprinted and
reprinted very close in time, while others I wouldn't mind seeing
reprinted again never come up. It is usually one of our highlights when
our Gladstone subscriptions arrive. We are going to have a problem trying
to quit subscribing even if this continues. We had serious withdrawal when
Disney took over the license and hope that never happens again and that the
possibility is not one of the problems going on.
-Kathy
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For my husband and I it isn't so much that there are a lot of Bark's
reprints lately, but there are the same ones reprinted then reprinted and
reprinted very close in time, while others I wouldn't mind seeing
reprinted again never come up. It is usually one of our highlights when
our Gladstone subscriptions arrive. We are going to have a problem trying
to quit subscribing even if this continues. We had serious withdrawal when
Disney took over the license and hope that never happens again and that the
possibility is not one of the problems going on.
-Kathy
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
Erik Horthe in KOMIX
Message 246 -
1998-03-31 at 10:51:39
Fellow Quacks:
The Greek KOMIX #118 hit the stands a couple of days ago, and a fellow List
member's letter appears in that issue's Letters Column. Erik Horthe's letter
inquires about the free give-away mini-book with Barks' "Pluto Saves the
Ship" that is offered to all KOMIX subscribers.
I'm glad that Erik found out about this from my mentioning it some months
ago on this very List, and I hope that KOMIX was able to send him a copy,
even if he couldn't subscribe to it.
KOMIX #118 prints the following stories:
(a) Walsh and Gottfredson's "The Man of Tomorrow" featuring the very first
appearance of Eega-Beeva (Eta-Beta).
(b) Barks' "In the Bying Mood" and "Flour Follies"
REASON TO REJOICE:
In the NEXT issue of KOMIX Greeks will be treated to a whale of a story:
Romano Scarpa's "The Legend of the Flying Scotsman"! For those of you out
there that know something about this story, notice the careful choice of the
date of that story's publication: KOMIX #119 will hit the stands on April
30, just 3 days before MAY 3rd: FINALLY all Greeks will find why it rains
sardines over the skies of Tegucigalpa, Honduras, on May 3rd of every year!
Be there!
Archontis
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #89
*****************************************
The Greek KOMIX #118 hit the stands a couple of days ago, and a fellow List
member's letter appears in that issue's Letters Column. Erik Horthe's letter
inquires about the free give-away mini-book with Barks' "Pluto Saves the
Ship" that is offered to all KOMIX subscribers.
I'm glad that Erik found out about this from my mentioning it some months
ago on this very List, and I hope that KOMIX was able to send him a copy,
even if he couldn't subscribe to it.
KOMIX #118 prints the following stories:
(a) Walsh and Gottfredson's "The Man of Tomorrow" featuring the very first
appearance of Eega-Beeva (Eta-Beta).
(b) Barks' "In the Bying Mood" and "Flour Follies"
REASON TO REJOICE:
In the NEXT issue of KOMIX Greeks will be treated to a whale of a story:
Romano Scarpa's "The Legend of the Flying Scotsman"! For those of you out
there that know something about this story, notice the careful choice of the
date of that story's publication: KOMIX #119 will hit the stands on April
30, just 3 days before MAY 3rd: FINALLY all Greeks will find why it rains
sardines over the skies of Tegucigalpa, Honduras, on May 3rd of every year!
Be there!
Archontis
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #89
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Ram Samudrala
Disney comics Digest V98 #89
Message 247 -
1998-03-31 at 12:21:20
Donald D. Markstein wrote:
> But the operant factor is probably trademark, not
> copyright. An individual work can be copyrighted, but a title or
> character can be trademarked, and that lasts longer -- as long as
> the property is in use and the trademark is maintained, in fact.
I too assumed this (i.e., even if a copyright legally expires, a
trademark can have the same effect as providing a perpetual right to
the copy). But I've been told by more than one IP lawyer that this is
not the case. Apparently there exist videos of public domain Bugs
Bunny videos, which are not manufactured by Warner Bros. and look like
regular Bugs Bunny videos except with disclaimers.
What Time Warner should do is reproduce Disney works in the public
domain and Disney should do the opposite. The public can then greatly
benefit and the two corporations can fight it out in court. <-:
Just to correct one misconception written by someone else (not
Donald):
>> I don't get it, though. First of all, I thought that a copyright is
>> terminated after 75 years AFTER the death of the creator, in this case
>> 1966.
Under the U.S. Copyright code, the creator is irrelevant. Believe it
or not, for copyright purposes, the author in a work made for hire is
not necessarily the same as the creator (Carl Barks' works, for
example, under the copyright code, is authored by Walt Disney
Corporation).
> But the operant factor is probably trademark, not
> copyright. An individual work can be copyrighted, but a title or
> character can be trademarked, and that lasts longer -- as long as
> the property is in use and the trademark is maintained, in fact.
I too assumed this (i.e., even if a copyright legally expires, a
trademark can have the same effect as providing a perpetual right to
the copy). But I've been told by more than one IP lawyer that this is
not the case. Apparently there exist videos of public domain Bugs
Bunny videos, which are not manufactured by Warner Bros. and look like
regular Bugs Bunny videos except with disclaimers.
What Time Warner should do is reproduce Disney works in the public
domain and Disney should do the opposite. The public can then greatly
benefit and the two corporations can fight it out in court. <-:
Just to correct one misconception written by someone else (not
Donald):
>> I don't get it, though. First of all, I thought that a copyright is
>> terminated after 75 years AFTER the death of the creator, in this case
>> 1966.
Under the U.S. Copyright code, the creator is irrelevant. Believe it
or not, for copyright purposes, the author in a work made for hire is
not necessarily the same as the creator (Carl Barks' works, for
example, under the copyright code, is authored by Walt Disney
Corporation).
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #89
Message 248 -
1998-03-31 at 12:32:55
ARCHONTIS:
> REASON TO REJOICE:
> In the NEXT issue of KOMIX Greeks will be treated to a whale of a story:
> Romano Scarpa's "The Legend of the Flying Scotsman"! For those of you out
> there that know something about this story, notice the careful choice of the
> date of that story's publication: KOMIX #119 will hit the stands on April
> 30, just 3 days before MAY 3rd: FINALLY all Greeks will find why it rains
> sardines over the skies of Tegucigalpa, Honduras, on May 3rd of every year!
Even more reason to rejoice:
Unless I'm mistaken, this is the first time that KOMIX does not rely
on Gladstone or old issues of their own Mickey Mouse magazine for its
stories, making their own selection instead. If this is indeed so,
then they have taken steps to eliminate the only reservation I had in
calling KOMIX the best Disney comics magazine in the world!
Interesting note: in the same issue where they announced the printing
of "The Flying Scotsman", they printed a letter from a reader who was
asking KOMIX to put Barks' heirs aside until *all* Barks stories had been
printed. Much as I can understand the point of view of someone who has
not yet read all of Barks' stories, I am glad they didn't listen to him!
Interesting note #2: The price of KOMIX #118 is given in both drachmas and
euros. This is part of an April fools' day hoax, where KOMIX claims that
after being the first magazine to switch to giving its price in euros,
they will be the first comics magazine to switch to "euro-english". Some
of you may have seen an "official letter" floating around, based on
Bernard Shaw's "Orxografikl Riform", presenting a "simplified" version of
English that is supposed to have been adopted by the EU as its official
language. KOMIX presents this letter, then shows "before" and "after"
versions of a Barks panel. (Not the most appropriate hoax for a *greek*
language magazine, and it's spoiled by the fact that the drachma was
devalued after the comic had been printed, so the price in euros is wrong,
but the euro-english panel is a lot of fun!)
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"But you have access to the greatest source of knowledge in the Universe..."
"Oh, I do talk sometimes to myself, yes!"
-----
> REASON TO REJOICE:
> In the NEXT issue of KOMIX Greeks will be treated to a whale of a story:
> Romano Scarpa's "The Legend of the Flying Scotsman"! For those of you out
> there that know something about this story, notice the careful choice of the
> date of that story's publication: KOMIX #119 will hit the stands on April
> 30, just 3 days before MAY 3rd: FINALLY all Greeks will find why it rains
> sardines over the skies of Tegucigalpa, Honduras, on May 3rd of every year!
Even more reason to rejoice:
Unless I'm mistaken, this is the first time that KOMIX does not rely
on Gladstone or old issues of their own Mickey Mouse magazine for its
stories, making their own selection instead. If this is indeed so,
then they have taken steps to eliminate the only reservation I had in
calling KOMIX the best Disney comics magazine in the world!
Interesting note: in the same issue where they announced the printing
of "The Flying Scotsman", they printed a letter from a reader who was
asking KOMIX to put Barks' heirs aside until *all* Barks stories had been
printed. Much as I can understand the point of view of someone who has
not yet read all of Barks' stories, I am glad they didn't listen to him!
Interesting note #2: The price of KOMIX #118 is given in both drachmas and
euros. This is part of an April fools' day hoax, where KOMIX claims that
after being the first magazine to switch to giving its price in euros,
they will be the first comics magazine to switch to "euro-english". Some
of you may have seen an "official letter" floating around, based on
Bernard Shaw's "Orxografikl Riform", presenting a "simplified" version of
English that is supposed to have been adopted by the EU as its official
language. KOMIX presents this letter, then shows "before" and "after"
versions of a Barks panel. (Not the most appropriate hoax for a *greek*
language magazine, and it's spoiled by the fact that the drachma was
devalued after the comic had been printed, so the price in euros is wrong,
but the euro-english panel is a lot of fun!)
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"But you have access to the greatest source of knowledge in the Universe..."
"Oh, I do talk sometimes to myself, yes!"
-----
Anders Flodqvist
Disney comics Digest V98 #89
Message 249 -
1998-03-31 at 12:37:19
Hi!
I=B4m new to the list and I have a question that perhaps are mostly =
for
the swede=B4s on the list (even though if anybody else knows the =
answer,
your more than welcome to deliver it to me).
Is there any way to find out who made the stories in the swedish "Kalle
Anka & Co" (donald duck & friends), or is it only in the books that you
can see who=B4s the author?
asks Anders =20
I=B4m new to the list and I have a question that perhaps are mostly =
for
the swede=B4s on the list (even though if anybody else knows the =
answer,
your more than welcome to deliver it to me).
Is there any way to find out who made the stories in the swedish "Kalle
Anka & Co" (donald duck & friends), or is it only in the books that you
can see who=B4s the author?
asks Anders =20
Soeren Krarup Olesen
URL for the Scarpa story discovered by David Gerstein!
Message 250 -
1998-03-31 at 12:38:41
Marco Barlotti wrote:
> Really looks like Scarpa, so I'll bet it's by Scarpa!
I vote for Scarpa as well. And it's really a funny
little story.
However, why is it not by Gottfredson? Please don't
laugh, but I don't know anything about Gottfredson
except that Scarpa started out inspired by him.
Søren
> Really looks like Scarpa, so I'll bet it's by Scarpa!
I vote for Scarpa as well. And it's really a funny
little story.
However, why is it not by Gottfredson? Please don't
laugh, but I don't know anything about Gottfredson
except that Scarpa started out inspired by him.
Søren
Soeren Krarup Olesen
Disney comics Digest V98 #89
Message 251 -
1998-03-31 at 15:58:16
Anders Flodqvist wrote:
> Hi!
> I=B4m new to the list and I have a question that perhaps are mostly =
for
>
> the swede=B4s on the list (even though if anybody else knows the
> answer,
> your more than welcome to deliver it to me).
> Is there any way to find out who made the stories in the swedish
> "Kalle
> Anka & Co" (donald duck & friends), or is it only in the books that
> you
> can see who=B4s the author?
>
> asks Anders
Hi Anders, and welcome to the list.You can find all Swedish material on
the FTP-address:
ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/comics/disney/index/sweden
including Kalle Anka & Co.
S=F8ren
> Hi!
> I=B4m new to the list and I have a question that perhaps are mostly =
for
>
> the swede=B4s on the list (even though if anybody else knows the
> answer,
> your more than welcome to deliver it to me).
> Is there any way to find out who made the stories in the swedish
> "Kalle
> Anka & Co" (donald duck & friends), or is it only in the books that
> you
> can see who=B4s the author?
>
> asks Anders
Hi Anders, and welcome to the list.You can find all Swedish material on
the FTP-address:
ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/comics/disney/index/sweden
including Kalle Anka & Co.
S=F8ren
Katie Sullivan
Disney Babies
Message 252 -
1998-03-31 at 20:46:51
I don't recall seeing much about baby Disney characters either, although I would like to.
One item of note:
When I was in Florida (Disney World) in 1989, I ran across what was supposedly "Baby Daisy"
in a souvenier shop in Kississimee. Although the stuffed toy had a pink bow on its head,
it had fluffy little sideburns just like Scrooge! It was dressed in a white sleeping
outfit decorated with tiny baby Mickeys and Minnies holding baloons. Needless to say, I
bought it, and once I took a scissors and cut off that pink bow, it looked just like a baby
Scrooge! (Although I don't know of any babies with sideburns, but, well... :-)
So now I have a little stuffed Baby Scrooge! (I usually refer to him as "Baby Scooge"
taking a cue from DuckTales' Bubba the Cave Duck.)
I have seen various merchandise with Baby Mickey, Minnie, Goofy, Donald and Daisy, but
never Gladstone or the others.
Quackcerely,
Katie Sullivan
(Email removed)
One item of note:
When I was in Florida (Disney World) in 1989, I ran across what was supposedly "Baby Daisy"
in a souvenier shop in Kississimee. Although the stuffed toy had a pink bow on its head,
it had fluffy little sideburns just like Scrooge! It was dressed in a white sleeping
outfit decorated with tiny baby Mickeys and Minnies holding baloons. Needless to say, I
bought it, and once I took a scissors and cut off that pink bow, it looked just like a baby
Scrooge! (Although I don't know of any babies with sideburns, but, well... :-)
So now I have a little stuffed Baby Scrooge! (I usually refer to him as "Baby Scooge"
taking a cue from DuckTales' Bubba the Cave Duck.)
I have seen various merchandise with Baby Mickey, Minnie, Goofy, Donald and Daisy, but
never Gladstone or the others.
Quackcerely,
Katie Sullivan
(Email removed)
Xfabri
Apantsio@ac.anatolia.edu.gr
Message 253 -
1998-03-31 at 23:24:29
> In the NEXT issue of KOMIX Greeks will be treated to a whale of a story:
> Romano Scarpa's "The Legend of the Flying Scotsman"! For those of you out
> there that know something about this story, notice the careful choice of the
> date of that story's publication: KOMIX #119 will hit the stands on April
> 30, just 3 days before MAY 3rd: FINALLY all Greeks will find why it rains
> sardines over the skies of Tegucigalpa, Honduras, on May 3rd of every year!
Hi Archontis; how are you ?
So, this time I MUST have that issue. The flying Scotsman is one
of my favourite stories !!!
Anything I can offer you in exchange ?
BTW do you know if that story is going to be printed
by Gladstone, as someone said some time ago ?
Best regards,
Fabrizio Cellerini
> Romano Scarpa's "The Legend of the Flying Scotsman"! For those of you out
> there that know something about this story, notice the careful choice of the
> date of that story's publication: KOMIX #119 will hit the stands on April
> 30, just 3 days before MAY 3rd: FINALLY all Greeks will find why it rains
> sardines over the skies of Tegucigalpa, Honduras, on May 3rd of every year!
Hi Archontis; how are you ?
So, this time I MUST have that issue. The flying Scotsman is one
of my favourite stories !!!
Anything I can offer you in exchange ?
BTW do you know if that story is going to be printed
by Gladstone, as someone said some time ago ?
Best regards,
Fabrizio Cellerini