The subject of "re-re-re-reprints" of Barks continues to roil, and I have
a suggestion to offer as to how the situation might be improved...
Some time ago, I suggested to some fan friends that the Disney comics line
be split into a "collectors'" portion (containing reprints of classic
stories) and an "originals" portion (containing all-new stories like Rosa's,
Van Horn's, Europeans, etc.). I still think that this is the best method
of resolving the dilemma of (1) pleasing the fans of old material, while
(2) keeping the original-material market alive. Gladstone has published
some "collectors'" material, such as the Barks/Rosa albums, "Life of
Scrooge," etc. The problem is that they have continued to put reprints into
the "standard" books as well -- cf. this week's WDC&S and UNCLE SCROOGE
releases, each of which contain a Barks story that Gladstone has reprinted
at some point in the past. It's as if Gladstone is worried that a lack of
"familiar" material will make the books somehow less appealing. If so, then
they are misreading their audience.
There will always be a market for "re-re-re-reprints," because of fans' love
for "classic" stories and the "nostalgia rush" that comes from rereading
an old favorite. But without a steady stream of new material, this state of
affairs may degenerate into "ancestor worship," ultimately reducing Disney
comics fandom to a bunch of older "specialists." The key is to be willing
to publicize ALL new material as fully worth reading and enjoying.
(DON ROSA, re PICSOU cover)
<<I *think* the flag said something like "3 X 3" that I figured would be
insipid but would be the
"universal language of mathematics". It was three scenes of the 3 nephews,
so it was "3 X 3". Ingenious, wot?>>
Harrumph! There is nothing "insipid" about the "universal language of
mathematics" (or, in this case, arithmetic). :-)
Seriously, Don, seeing as how you have based stories on properties of
physics in the past, I'd like to see you tackle a story with a mathematical
theme someday.
(DON ROSA re "Sign of the Triple Distelfink")
>>>>Pg 7, panel 8: The drunken passenger no longer says "hic!", but now says
"yay!"... on BOTH occaisons!
<<That I expected. Of course "hic" was allowed in the versions published in
all other countries, but I knew it would be removed by Disney. No big deal.
He's still obviously snookered.>>
Either that or he's really hungry. :-)
>>>>pg 8, panel 1: "Oh, Shut up!" becomes "Oh, Stop it!",
Pg 8, panel 7: "Oh, Shut up!" becomes "Oh, be quiet!" here.
<<Yes... the running tag-line is not simply changed, it is eliminated totally.
Why wasn't it simply changed to another repeated tag-line?>>
Perhaps they were trying to "build" the annoyance level of Gladstone's
comments to the final "Oh, *sob* Shut Up!" on the plane.
>>>>pg 11, panel 9: Pa Duck asks: "What's that fancy pattern you're
a'paintin'? I've seen those on other barns, but..."
It's now "What's that fancy pattern you're painting? I seen those on other
barns!"
<<Yes! We must NOT poke fun at speech patterns of our rural brethern! It would
be tactless and in wretched bad taste.>>
?? It's not OK to say "a' paintin'" but it's OK to use an incorrect verb
tense in "I seen"? I think the latter is actually worse than the former
insofar as incorrectness is concerned!
(FRANCOIS WILLOT)
When "A Cold Bargain" was reprinted in Picsou, the editors said in an
article that the Chief of the Brutopian was either Krouchtchef (I'm not
sure of the spelling) or Carl Buettner. The latter is not impossible, if
you look at a photograph of Buettner in "Carl Barks and the Art of the
Comic Book" by Michael Barrier, but I doubt it. Is there something about
that in an American (comic-)book?
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Cebarat
Digest V98 #118-119
Message 106 -
1998-05-10 at 19:39:44
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V98 #120
Message 107 -
1998-05-10 at 20:28:04
>From: Danny Coenen
>DON:
>Aren't your stories published in other English speaking countries? I'd
>think that at least in England they'd do so.
No, they discontinued the British Disney comics several years ago, so I'm
told. Perhaps they only have the digest-style comics there?
>From: "Carey M. Furlong"
>Anybody notice in Don Rosa's new story, "The Sign of the Triple
>Distelfink" in Uncle Scrooge 310, the airliner on page 9, panel 2?
>Don has drawn a nice representation of a Boeing 377 Stratocruiser
>(also known as a Stratoliner). I thought this was very good attention
>to detail, as this airliner was in its heyday in the early 50's.
(Sigh) It's so NICE when somebody notices these details! I do them mainly
for my own amusement, but it's a nice feeling when even ONE readers spots
the effort. Yes, I got that plane out of a 1949 airplane technical reference
manual.
>From: Cebarat
><<I *think* the flag said something like "3 X 3" that I figured would be
>insipid but would be the "universal language of mathematics". >
>Harrumph! There is nothing "insipid" about the "universal language of
>mathematics"
Of course not, and I didn't mean to say there was... just the opposite.
Since I could only put something insipid on the flag, I thought I would at
least raise the level of its form by writing it mathematically. But... they
*still* removed it and, as usual, I don't know why.
(or, in this case, arithmetic). :-)
>Perhaps they were trying to "build" the annoyance level of Gladstone's
>comments to the final "Oh, *sob* Shut Up!" on the plane.
He DID say "shut up" once? Ah, I assumed Shaun meant that they removed ALL
the "shut ups". Well, then that makes the removal of ANY of them from the
running gag tag-line even more puzzling... I thought I'd found an answer,
but now...
>>>>>pg 11, panel 9: Pa Duck asks: "What's that fancy pattern you're
>a'paintin'? I've seen those on other barns, but..."
>It's now "What's that fancy pattern you're painting? I seen those on other
>barns!"
>?? It's not OK to say "a' paintin'" but it's OK to use an incorrect verb
>tense in "I seen"? I think the latter is actually worse than the former
>insofar as incorrectness is concerned!
I do, too... I'd read over that. I'd have to check, but I don't believe I
would have had Grandpa Duck speak that poorly. To me "a-paintin'" is merely
a form of speaking a verb. But (to me) to say "I seen" shows pure ignorance
and I would only attribute it to, perhaps, a villain in a story. Yes, it
would be strange if the letterer corrected the "a-paintin'" but left the "I
seen". Another thing I thought I had figured out that I guess I don't.
Someday I'll see a copy of that comic first hand...
>DON:
>Aren't your stories published in other English speaking countries? I'd
>think that at least in England they'd do so.
No, they discontinued the British Disney comics several years ago, so I'm
told. Perhaps they only have the digest-style comics there?
>From: "Carey M. Furlong"
>Anybody notice in Don Rosa's new story, "The Sign of the Triple
>Distelfink" in Uncle Scrooge 310, the airliner on page 9, panel 2?
>Don has drawn a nice representation of a Boeing 377 Stratocruiser
>(also known as a Stratoliner). I thought this was very good attention
>to detail, as this airliner was in its heyday in the early 50's.
(Sigh) It's so NICE when somebody notices these details! I do them mainly
for my own amusement, but it's a nice feeling when even ONE readers spots
the effort. Yes, I got that plane out of a 1949 airplane technical reference
manual.
>From: Cebarat
><<I *think* the flag said something like "3 X 3" that I figured would be
>insipid but would be the "universal language of mathematics". >
>Harrumph! There is nothing "insipid" about the "universal language of
>mathematics"
Of course not, and I didn't mean to say there was... just the opposite.
Since I could only put something insipid on the flag, I thought I would at
least raise the level of its form by writing it mathematically. But... they
*still* removed it and, as usual, I don't know why.
(or, in this case, arithmetic). :-)
>Perhaps they were trying to "build" the annoyance level of Gladstone's
>comments to the final "Oh, *sob* Shut Up!" on the plane.
He DID say "shut up" once? Ah, I assumed Shaun meant that they removed ALL
the "shut ups". Well, then that makes the removal of ANY of them from the
running gag tag-line even more puzzling... I thought I'd found an answer,
but now...
>>>>>pg 11, panel 9: Pa Duck asks: "What's that fancy pattern you're
>a'paintin'? I've seen those on other barns, but..."
>It's now "What's that fancy pattern you're painting? I seen those on other
>barns!"
>?? It's not OK to say "a' paintin'" but it's OK to use an incorrect verb
>tense in "I seen"? I think the latter is actually worse than the former
>insofar as incorrectness is concerned!
I do, too... I'd read over that. I'd have to check, but I don't believe I
would have had Grandpa Duck speak that poorly. To me "a-paintin'" is merely
a form of speaking a verb. But (to me) to say "I seen" shows pure ignorance
and I would only attribute it to, perhaps, a villain in a story. Yes, it
would be strange if the letterer corrected the "a-paintin'" but left the "I
seen". Another thing I thought I had figured out that I guess I don't.
Someday I'll see a copy of that comic first hand...
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V98 #118
Message 108 -
1998-05-10 at 21:07:11
CHRIS:
>> German one did) had the villains pointing guns at Scrooge, that were
>> replaced by their INDEX FINGERS in the American prints. How
believable
>> is that? Not very...
>
>They really did this? EEK!
But... but Chris, you can see it for yourself without owning
those albums. (The censorship is identical to that in all earlier
American editions of the LO$. If you've seen it then, you've seen it
all.)
FRANCOIS:
>But I can't think of any Italian story with Squinch (or Shyster).
Stories with Squinch -=A0I guess there really aren't many from
Italy. Another that comes to mind is the (uncoded) "Donald Duck,
Necromancer" from Pedrocchi and Pinochi, a pre-war Donald story from =
the
earliest days of Italian production.
I've seen Shyster in *one* Italian story:
I TL 1227-B 25 3 ADe MDV MM Topolino e le auto rubate=20
To my surprise, when I checked it on our ddb database, Shyster's
appearance as Pete's partner wasn't noted. But he is indeed there.
BJOERN:
>For instance, compare Disney comics to the standard superhero-comics,=20
>where there are often only variations over one theme: 'bad guy does=20
>something evil to good people, and superhero stops him'.
Some classic superhero plot threads include "superhero tries to
deal with his own imperfection as a person," "superhero is at odds with
public image," "superhero battles with his urge to profit off his
powers," "superhero is involved with others who have been damaged by =
his
origin/place of origin," and so on. A lot of superhero comics pick up =
on
the concept that the hero is treated as a freak for his superpower,
rather than being celebrated. So really, a *good* superhero can have as
much variety to his stories as Scrooge can.=20
But there's still no question as to whose adventures I'd rather
read ;-)
DON:
>Pg 6, panel 9: First of the "Oh, Shut up!" running gag is changed to
"Oh,
>pipe down!"
[Other instances of "shut up"-related censorship snipped]
This particular request, made of Gladstone by Disney, has been a
problem in a *lot* of stories, not just your own. Many of the stories
I've worked on have had "shut up" removed by a censor.
The objection isn't so much that Disney characters are sounding
rude to each other as that they're getting unreasonably angry with each
other. ("What the...")
You say "heck" is or has been objected to? When/where has it
been removed? I've actually seen it a fair number of times... but maybe
those were just times that a censor didn't notice it?
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
>> German one did) had the villains pointing guns at Scrooge, that were
>> replaced by their INDEX FINGERS in the American prints. How
believable
>> is that? Not very...
>
>They really did this? EEK!
But... but Chris, you can see it for yourself without owning
those albums. (The censorship is identical to that in all earlier
American editions of the LO$. If you've seen it then, you've seen it
all.)
FRANCOIS:
>But I can't think of any Italian story with Squinch (or Shyster).
Stories with Squinch -=A0I guess there really aren't many from
Italy. Another that comes to mind is the (uncoded) "Donald Duck,
Necromancer" from Pedrocchi and Pinochi, a pre-war Donald story from =
the
earliest days of Italian production.
I've seen Shyster in *one* Italian story:
I TL 1227-B 25 3 ADe MDV MM Topolino e le auto rubate=20
To my surprise, when I checked it on our ddb database, Shyster's
appearance as Pete's partner wasn't noted. But he is indeed there.
BJOERN:
>For instance, compare Disney comics to the standard superhero-comics,=20
>where there are often only variations over one theme: 'bad guy does=20
>something evil to good people, and superhero stops him'.
Some classic superhero plot threads include "superhero tries to
deal with his own imperfection as a person," "superhero is at odds with
public image," "superhero battles with his urge to profit off his
powers," "superhero is involved with others who have been damaged by =
his
origin/place of origin," and so on. A lot of superhero comics pick up =
on
the concept that the hero is treated as a freak for his superpower,
rather than being celebrated. So really, a *good* superhero can have as
much variety to his stories as Scrooge can.=20
But there's still no question as to whose adventures I'd rather
read ;-)
DON:
>Pg 6, panel 9: First of the "Oh, Shut up!" running gag is changed to
"Oh,
>pipe down!"
[Other instances of "shut up"-related censorship snipped]
This particular request, made of Gladstone by Disney, has been a
problem in a *lot* of stories, not just your own. Many of the stories
I've worked on have had "shut up" removed by a censor.
The objection isn't so much that Disney characters are sounding
rude to each other as that they're getting unreasonably angry with each
other. ("What the...")
You say "heck" is or has been objected to? When/where has it
been removed? I've actually seen it a fair number of times... but maybe
those were just times that a censor didn't notice it?
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Francois Willot
Shyster
Message 109 -
1998-05-10 at 22:25:09
DAVID:
> Stories with Squinch -=A0I guess there really aren't many from
>Italy. Another that comes to mind is the (uncoded) "Donald Duck,
>Necromancer" from Pedrocchi and Pinochi, a pre-war Donald story from
>the earliest days of Italian production.
> I've seen Shyster in *one* Italian story:
>I TL 1227-B 25 3 ADe MDV MM Topolino e le auto rubate=20
> To my surprise, when I checked it on our ddb database,
>Shyster's appearance as Pete's partner wasn't noted. But he is indeed
>there.
I found two other stories with Shyster in the French issue file: I TL=20
477-A and I TL 434-B. F JM 94224 (a Claude Marin story with prof.
Doubliex too) also features Shyster. In my index, there was also D 9327=
4
by John B. Moore, but it's a mistake, the character in it is not Shyste=
r
but Squinch, of course!!
Francois
> Stories with Squinch -=A0I guess there really aren't many from
>Italy. Another that comes to mind is the (uncoded) "Donald Duck,
>Necromancer" from Pedrocchi and Pinochi, a pre-war Donald story from
>the earliest days of Italian production.
> I've seen Shyster in *one* Italian story:
>I TL 1227-B 25 3 ADe MDV MM Topolino e le auto rubate=20
> To my surprise, when I checked it on our ddb database,
>Shyster's appearance as Pete's partner wasn't noted. But he is indeed
>there.
I found two other stories with Shyster in the French issue file: I TL=20
477-A and I TL 434-B. F JM 94224 (a Claude Marin story with prof.
Doubliex too) also features Shyster. In my index, there was also D 9327=
4
by John B. Moore, but it's a mistake, the character in it is not Shyste=
r
but Squinch, of course!!
Francois
Nils Lid Hjort
Disney comics related exhibition in Oslo
Message 110 -
1998-05-10 at 22:40:46
There is an ongoing exhibition in Oslo this month, focussing
on art & matters related to Disney cartoons, Disney comics.
It takes place in the "Filmens hus", I believe, and has been
well noted in newspapers and even in a several-minutes
report in the main news programme.
The main organisers here are Sture Hegerfors (long-term President
of the Swedish Comic Strip Academy and publisher of several
books and compendia) & a fellow Swedish Disney fan. I understand
they display various pieces of original art and lots of other Donald
and Mickey related paraphernelia, collected by themselves over many
years -- perhaps in addition to other material lent them for the occasion.
I still haven't found time to go there myself!, and I apologise
for the lack of precision in my information. But I thought
people on this list should know, and I would hope that someone
out there could give the list a more precise report.
Nils Lid Hjort
on art & matters related to Disney cartoons, Disney comics.
It takes place in the "Filmens hus", I believe, and has been
well noted in newspapers and even in a several-minutes
report in the main news programme.
The main organisers here are Sture Hegerfors (long-term President
of the Swedish Comic Strip Academy and publisher of several
books and compendia) & a fellow Swedish Disney fan. I understand
they display various pieces of original art and lots of other Donald
and Mickey related paraphernelia, collected by themselves over many
years -- perhaps in addition to other material lent them for the occasion.
I still haven't found time to go there myself!, and I apologise
for the lack of precision in my information. But I thought
people on this list should know, and I would hope that someone
out there could give the list a more precise report.
Nils Lid Hjort
DeanMary
Changes in Don Rosa's scripts
Message 111 -
1998-05-11 at 02:20:33
Recently in regards to his "Sign of the Triple Distlefink" story Don
wrote:
Pg 6, panel 9: First of the "Oh, Shut up!" running gag is changed to
"Oh,
pipe down!"
Yes, this was supposed to be a running gag all the way through the
story,
leading up to the final twist gag in the last panel.... but now all
those
"Oh, shut up!"s are omitted, thereby ruining any possible final twist.
Why?
I suspect Disney feels that "Shut up!" is simply too rude a thing to say
in
a comic book.
The day after I read this I happened to be reading the second story in
Uncle Scrooge #309 titled "Money to Burn". In it on page 4, panel 3,
Scrooge says, "Mr. Petty, I have to tell you to shut up!" So it is OK
for Scrooge to say "Shut up!" in this European story but not in Don's?
Just curious...
Dean Rekich
wrote:
Pg 6, panel 9: First of the "Oh, Shut up!" running gag is changed to
"Oh,
pipe down!"
Yes, this was supposed to be a running gag all the way through the
story,
leading up to the final twist gag in the last panel.... but now all
those
"Oh, shut up!"s are omitted, thereby ruining any possible final twist.
Why?
I suspect Disney feels that "Shut up!" is simply too rude a thing to say
in
a comic book.
The day after I read this I happened to be reading the second story in
Uncle Scrooge #309 titled "Money to Burn". In it on page 4, panel 3,
Scrooge says, "Mr. Petty, I have to tell you to shut up!" So it is OK
for Scrooge to say "Shut up!" in this European story but not in Don's?
Just curious...
Dean Rekich
CarmenG
Off topic? But still about ducks
Message 112 -
1998-05-11 at 05:03:40
Hello,
I have a request that might be possibly answered by my Italian friends on the
list. As a boy, I used to listen to a favorite song sung by my mother; the
title was something like "Papaveri e Paperi." Does anyone remember this song &
have an English translation? I know it's about a duck, but that's all I've
known for over 30 years! If you have any more information, please e-mail me
directly.
Thank you. Grazie.
Back to lurking,
carmelo
I have a request that might be possibly answered by my Italian friends on the
list. As a boy, I used to listen to a favorite song sung by my mother; the
title was something like "Papaveri e Paperi." Does anyone remember this song &
have an English translation? I know it's about a duck, but that's all I've
known for over 30 years! If you have any more information, please e-mail me
directly.
Thank you. Grazie.
Back to lurking,
carmelo
Mikko Pohjola
And now back to our normal repertoire
Message 113 -
1998-05-11 at 09:54:34
ALL:
I am sorry about bringing political opinions to this mailing list. It was
not so much my intention to hurt anybody or raise discussion here, but
rather to show Cebarat and others that their's is not the only possible
point of view (nor is mine). I admit, I got a bit carried away and
off-topic. That's not what this mailing list is meant for and it won't
happent again, I promise.
GLADSTONE:
A survey charting the wishes of the readers would, imho, be just the thing
for you. I have usually bought the English versions of the Rosa stories
mainly to be able to discuss about them here on the mailing list and also
to not miss any of the original puns. If I wanted the Carl Barks stories
in English I'd buy the Carl Barks Libraries, not collect individual
Gladstone albums.
Perhaps the modern Egmont format would be good for you - a Barks one-pager
in every issue, then quality new stories (Van Horn, Rosa, Ferioli,
Gestein...) and sometimes old classics (but never reprints of stories that
have been printed in the last 15 years).
DON:
A while ago you said you took a promotional trip to Finland. To my
knowledge, it wasn't announced to public. So when was it that you were
here and what did you do here?
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
I am sorry about bringing political opinions to this mailing list. It was
not so much my intention to hurt anybody or raise discussion here, but
rather to show Cebarat and others that their's is not the only possible
point of view (nor is mine). I admit, I got a bit carried away and
off-topic. That's not what this mailing list is meant for and it won't
happent again, I promise.
GLADSTONE:
A survey charting the wishes of the readers would, imho, be just the thing
for you. I have usually bought the English versions of the Rosa stories
mainly to be able to discuss about them here on the mailing list and also
to not miss any of the original puns. If I wanted the Carl Barks stories
in English I'd buy the Carl Barks Libraries, not collect individual
Gladstone albums.
Perhaps the modern Egmont format would be good for you - a Barks one-pager
in every issue, then quality new stories (Van Horn, Rosa, Ferioli,
Gestein...) and sometimes old classics (but never reprints of stories that
have been printed in the last 15 years).
DON:
A while ago you said you took a promotional trip to Finland. To my
knowledge, it wasn't announced to public. So when was it that you were
here and what did you do here?
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #119
Message 114 -
1998-05-11 at 10:38:23
MATHEW HOUNSELL:
> I'm reminded of a paralell with DrWho, people reacted badly when it had content 'not
> suitable for children', just because children like something, it doesn't have to
> be all for children. Subtlety is the key.
If I'm not mistaken, Doctor Who was originally a children's show.
(Same as with Disney Comics; they are both addressed to children, but
adults like them, as well.)
> Dean Rekich wrote :"We are told that Europe produces THOUSANDS of new pages of Disney
> comics a year. Yet what do we keep getting from Gladstone? MORE Barks re-re-reprints!
> Why on earth not print some of these European stories?!?"
>> Don't flame me for this, but I think it's just part of the american psyche, or it
>> could be copyright and/or trade laws.
As Don has explained several times, once something is published in a
Disney publication, it is automatically made available to any other
Disney publication that wants to publish it. Of course, this doesn't
take into account the cost of obtaining the material, translating it
into the local language, lettering, and coloring, which is probably the
reason why Gladstone relies so heavily on reprints: all this extra work
has already been done, which means that it is cheaper to reprint an old
story than to publish a new one.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I hope I don't run out of jellybabies!"
-----
> I'm reminded of a paralell with DrWho, people reacted badly when it had content 'not
> suitable for children', just because children like something, it doesn't have to
> be all for children. Subtlety is the key.
If I'm not mistaken, Doctor Who was originally a children's show.
(Same as with Disney Comics; they are both addressed to children, but
adults like them, as well.)
> Dean Rekich wrote :"We are told that Europe produces THOUSANDS of new pages of Disney
> comics a year. Yet what do we keep getting from Gladstone? MORE Barks re-re-reprints!
> Why on earth not print some of these European stories?!?"
>> Don't flame me for this, but I think it's just part of the american psyche, or it
>> could be copyright and/or trade laws.
As Don has explained several times, once something is published in a
Disney publication, it is automatically made available to any other
Disney publication that wants to publish it. Of course, this doesn't
take into account the cost of obtaining the material, translating it
into the local language, lettering, and coloring, which is probably the
reason why Gladstone relies so heavily on reprints: all this extra work
has already been done, which means that it is cheaper to reprint an old
story than to publish a new one.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I hope I don't run out of jellybabies!"
-----
Claudia Rege Cambrin
Il matrimonio di Paperone
Message 115 -
1998-05-11 at 11:10:54
>> >THANKS THANKS THANKS for putting "Il Matrimonio di Paperone"
>> >online for us to see!
>> ...er... not yet that one! "Il Matrimonio di Paperone" is not yet
>> on-line.... (Paperone=$crooge).
But "Il Matrimonio di Paperone" exists! I remember reading it a few years
ago... I'm sure the Italian contributors on this list can help me trace it
back. Was it drawn by Cavazzano, or am I wrong?
Was this story ever published outside Italy? This is what I remember from it...
****SPOILER****
In order to build a huge shopping mall, Uncle Scrooge needs to own a wide
land outside Duckburg. But a small piece of it belongs to Brigitta
McBridge, and in order to get it, Scrooge asks Brigitta to marry him. But
there is also an other opportunity: thanks to a golf ball which Scrooge
lost in the land twenty years before, he could become owner without getting
married... the problem is that this would take more time than what is left
to Scrooge before the marriage...
What IMO was really good were the scenes of the marriage...
**** END OF SPOILER ****
Claudia
>> >online for us to see!
>> ...er... not yet that one! "Il Matrimonio di Paperone" is not yet
>> on-line.... (Paperone=$crooge).
But "Il Matrimonio di Paperone" exists! I remember reading it a few years
ago... I'm sure the Italian contributors on this list can help me trace it
back. Was it drawn by Cavazzano, or am I wrong?
Was this story ever published outside Italy? This is what I remember from it...
****SPOILER****
In order to build a huge shopping mall, Uncle Scrooge needs to own a wide
land outside Duckburg. But a small piece of it belongs to Brigitta
McBridge, and in order to get it, Scrooge asks Brigitta to marry him. But
there is also an other opportunity: thanks to a golf ball which Scrooge
lost in the land twenty years before, he could become owner without getting
married... the problem is that this would take more time than what is left
to Scrooge before the marriage...
What IMO was really good were the scenes of the marriage...
**** END OF SPOILER ****
Claudia
Jussi Mantere
Disney comics Digest V98 #119
Message 116 -
1998-05-11 at 11:22:10
On Mon, 11 May 1998, Kriton Kyrimis wrote:
> Disney publication that wants to publish it. Of course, this doesn't
> take into account the cost of obtaining the material, translating it
> into the local language, lettering, and coloring, which is probably the
> reason why Gladstone relies so heavily on reprints: all this extra work
> has already been done, which means that it is cheaper to reprint an old
> story than to publish a new one.
I must say that after following this discussion for quite a while now,
there's one point I quite can't understand: WHY? Why do American people
WANT to read more and more European stories? I admit, there are _some_
good artists with stories to match the works of their American colleagues,
but in general, I think, and apologize to all whose opinion I might hurt,
that most European Disney comics are plain rubbish. With Donald constantly
being kidnapped by aliens or hurled to the stone age in a time machine, or
those horrible Italian duck-versions of old movie- or literature classics,
my only wish should be that also here in Europe we'd see more Rosa, Van
Horn and also those "horrible" Barks reprints.
I agree, though, that re-re-re-reprints are stupid; I wouldn't mind
reading a different story for a change!
But, anyway, most of these bulk-cartoons are shit. Made my point.
-jussi
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"The real battle's just begun to claim the victory Jesus won" -u2
> Disney publication that wants to publish it. Of course, this doesn't
> take into account the cost of obtaining the material, translating it
> into the local language, lettering, and coloring, which is probably the
> reason why Gladstone relies so heavily on reprints: all this extra work
> has already been done, which means that it is cheaper to reprint an old
> story than to publish a new one.
I must say that after following this discussion for quite a while now,
there's one point I quite can't understand: WHY? Why do American people
WANT to read more and more European stories? I admit, there are _some_
good artists with stories to match the works of their American colleagues,
but in general, I think, and apologize to all whose opinion I might hurt,
that most European Disney comics are plain rubbish. With Donald constantly
being kidnapped by aliens or hurled to the stone age in a time machine, or
those horrible Italian duck-versions of old movie- or literature classics,
my only wish should be that also here in Europe we'd see more Rosa, Van
Horn and also those "horrible" Barks reprints.
I agree, though, that re-re-re-reprints are stupid; I wouldn't mind
reading a different story for a change!
But, anyway, most of these bulk-cartoons are shit. Made my point.
-jussi
--
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"The real battle's just begun to claim the victory Jesus won" -u2
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
Picsou Subscriptions
Message 117 -
1998-05-11 at 11:24:26
KEVIN:
>Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:42:16 -0500 (EST)
>From: Kevin William Greenlee <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: Picsou subs
>
>I was wondering if any list members in France could let me know if Picsou
>offered overseas subscriptions.
Well, I'm certainly not French, but since I DO subscribe to PICSOU Mag from
GREECE, here's some info:
The annual (12-issue) subscription rate for most European countries is 219
FF. However, it could well be higher for the US. They do accept credit cards
for PICSOU. You can write to:
Lydia Bacon
Service Abonnements
TSA 10223-92887 Nanterre Cedex 9
FRANCE
Someone from France could let us know if this address has changed.
Cheers,
Archontis
>Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:42:16 -0500 (EST)
>From: Kevin William Greenlee <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: Picsou subs
>
>I was wondering if any list members in France could let me know if Picsou
>offered overseas subscriptions.
Well, I'm certainly not French, but since I DO subscribe to PICSOU Mag from
GREECE, here's some info:
The annual (12-issue) subscription rate for most European countries is 219
FF. However, it could well be higher for the US. They do accept credit cards
for PICSOU. You can write to:
Lydia Bacon
Service Abonnements
TSA 10223-92887 Nanterre Cedex 9
FRANCE
Someone from France could let us know if this address has changed.
Cheers,
Archontis
Per-Erik Malmström
Disney comics Digest V98 #119
Message 118 -
1998-05-11 at 21:21:46
JUSSI:
I admit, there are _some_
> good artists with stories to match the works of their American
colleagues,
> but in general, I think, and apologize to all whose opinion I might hurt,
> that most European Disney comics are plain rubbish.
Hm...so you think that the work of Rosa is rubbish?;-) No honestly, I
understand what you mean but almost all the stories that are produced by
(for example)Egmont are written by writers outside Europe,(right David?)
USA to be precise!
So, to say that most European Disney comics are plain rubbish is like
saying that most American Disney comics are plain rubbish!
A while ago I disliked most of the, what you call, "European Disney
comics"
too, but not anymore. I found out that several stories that I though
were written by one of my favorite drawers, in fact were written by someone
else. A good writer who's stories I never paid much attention to only
because they weren't drawn by one of my favorite drawers.
6-pagers are (according to safe sources!) the most difficult stories to
write, and they are also what most writers do write. Take a look at your
favorites' 6-pagers and ask yourself if the other writer's stories are
mostly rubbish.
> WHY? Why do American people
> WANT to read more and more European stories?
Don't you read them yourself? If you do...you probably know why others want
to read them too.
Best,
Per-Erik
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I admit, there are _some_
> good artists with stories to match the works of their American
colleagues,
> but in general, I think, and apologize to all whose opinion I might hurt,
> that most European Disney comics are plain rubbish.
Hm...so you think that the work of Rosa is rubbish?;-) No honestly, I
understand what you mean but almost all the stories that are produced by
(for example)Egmont are written by writers outside Europe,(right David?)
USA to be precise!
So, to say that most European Disney comics are plain rubbish is like
saying that most American Disney comics are plain rubbish!
A while ago I disliked most of the, what you call, "European Disney
comics"
too, but not anymore. I found out that several stories that I though
were written by one of my favorite drawers, in fact were written by someone
else. A good writer who's stories I never paid much attention to only
because they weren't drawn by one of my favorite drawers.
6-pagers are (according to safe sources!) the most difficult stories to
write, and they are also what most writers do write. Take a look at your
favorites' 6-pagers and ask yourself if the other writer's stories are
mostly rubbish.
> WHY? Why do American people
> WANT to read more and more European stories?
Don't you read them yourself? If you do...you probably know why others want
to read them too.
Best,
Per-Erik
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Shaun Knowler
Disney comics Digest V98 #121
Message 119 -
1998-05-11 at 22:26:56
DON:
>
> He DID say "shut up" once? Ah, I assumed Shaun meant that they removed ALL
> the "shut ups".
**mini-spoiler**
Oops. I thought you assumed that any changes I did not mention did not
take place. Gladstone does say it once on the plane, and Donald says it
for the gag ending.
**end spoiler**
> Well, then that makes the removal of ANY of them from the
> running gag tag-line even more puzzling...
Sure does!
DEAN:
>
> The day after I read this I happened to be reading the second story in
> Uncle Scrooge #309 titled "Money to Burn". In it on page 4, panel 3,
> Scrooge says, "Mr. Petty, I have to tell you to shut up!" So it is OK
> for Scrooge to say "Shut up!" in this European story but not in Don's?
> Just curious...
These are exactly the contradictions one has to deal with when
Disney-style censorship is at hand. Case in point: The index finger
hold-up in part 3 of Lo$, and in part 11, $crooge gets an actual gun
pointed in his beak by a McViper while awaiting the bill at a resturant.
-Shaun
>
> He DID say "shut up" once? Ah, I assumed Shaun meant that they removed ALL
> the "shut ups".
**mini-spoiler**
Oops. I thought you assumed that any changes I did not mention did not
take place. Gladstone does say it once on the plane, and Donald says it
for the gag ending.
**end spoiler**
> Well, then that makes the removal of ANY of them from the
> running gag tag-line even more puzzling...
Sure does!
DEAN:
>
> The day after I read this I happened to be reading the second story in
> Uncle Scrooge #309 titled "Money to Burn". In it on page 4, panel 3,
> Scrooge says, "Mr. Petty, I have to tell you to shut up!" So it is OK
> for Scrooge to say "Shut up!" in this European story but not in Don's?
> Just curious...
These are exactly the contradictions one has to deal with when
Disney-style censorship is at hand. Case in point: The index finger
hold-up in part 3 of Lo$, and in part 11, $crooge gets an actual gun
pointed in his beak by a McViper while awaiting the bill at a resturant.
-Shaun
PAULO CEZAR LOPES BARRETO,BARRETO
Super-Hero League story online
Message 120 -
1998-05-11 at 22:32:25
Hi all,
At last the long-discussed "O Superomao" -- the Brazilian story
(supposedly) introducing the Duckburg super-hero league featuring
Super Goof, Paperinik, Paper Bat, Red Wasp and the Superman-lookalike
one-shot title character -- has been entirely scanned and is currently
online. The URLs are www.pobox.com/~barreto/superomao??.jpg (the "??"
represent the page numbers, 01 to 17). Sorry for the dark side edges,
but the original (the May 1979 "Tio Patinhas") is custom-hardbound
(which probably accounts for its survival in 1998...). Please
download the scans soon; they'll be replaced next weekend.
[]s
P.C.Barreto
(Email removed)
At last the long-discussed "O Superomao" -- the Brazilian story
(supposedly) introducing the Duckburg super-hero league featuring
Super Goof, Paperinik, Paper Bat, Red Wasp and the Superman-lookalike
one-shot title character -- has been entirely scanned and is currently
online. The URLs are www.pobox.com/~barreto/superomao??.jpg (the "??"
represent the page numbers, 01 to 17). Sorry for the dark side edges,
but the original (the May 1979 "Tio Patinhas") is custom-hardbound
(which probably accounts for its survival in 1998...). Please
download the scans soon; they'll be replaced next weekend.
[]s
P.C.Barreto
(Email removed)