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UNCLE $CROOGE #310 is out, but I haven't seen it yet. In fact, no one has
sent me a #309 yet, or it never reached me, so I haven't even seen *that*
issue yet, much less the next. But Shaun Knowler sent me a message about the
changes in my script for "The Sign of the Triple Distlefink" as appearing in
U$ #310. And since it might be months before I see a copy, I figured I
should mention the changes to any interested parties now, otherwise it will
be ancient news by the time I have my own copy to look at.
Shaun has a copy of Egmont's (my) original script for the story, which is a
Gladstone Gander starring role, his 50th Anniversary tale. He writes:

>>>>I'm basing your "original script" on this internal-ish Egmont photocopy
I
have that's in B&W with everything in english and lettered by a word
processor.
Pg 6, panel 9: First of the "Oh, Shut up!" running gag is changed to "Oh,
pipe down!"

Yes, this was supposed to be a running gag all the way through the story,
leading up to the final twist gag in the last panel.... but now all those
"Oh, shut up!"s are omitted, thereby ruining any possible final twist. Why?
I suspect Disney feels that "Shut up!" is simply too rude a thing to say in
a comic book. (As you read the rest of this, keep in mind that, even though
Disney allows cartoon characters to call each other horse's asses or to emit
earth-shaking farts in their charming animated cartoons, they feel comic
books should be on a much lower level, about even with a "Little Golden
Storybook" for toddlers.)

>>>>Pg 7, panel 1: For some reason, Byron's Bakery is now "Byman's Baked
Goods"

*This* really puzzles me!!! The obvious reference was to Byron Erickson! Why
on earth was this removed??? Plus changed to some gibberish like "Byman's"
rather than "Bob's"?

>>>>Pg 7, panel 8: The drunken passenger no longer says "hic!", but now says
"yay!"... on BOTH occaisons!

That I expected. Of course "hic" was allowed in the versions published in
all other countries, but I knew it would be removed by Disney. No big deal.
He's still obviously snookered.

>>>>pg 8, panel 1: "Oh, Shut up!" becomes "Oh, Stop it!",
Pg 8, panel 7: "Oh, Shut up!" becomes "Oh, be quiet!" here.

Yes... the running tag-line is not simply changed, it is eliminated totally.
Why wasn't it simply changed to another repeated tag-line?

>>>>>>>Pg 10, panels 1 & 2... The one that angers me most,
Your script: "Awk!
that little meteorite DID hit us -- right were a PASSENGER was seated!"
"Omigosh! Did he-- >gulp<--- did he...
"Yes! He Paid cash!"
"Whew, what a relief!"
Gladstone script:
"Awk! that little meteorite DID hit us -- right were a PASSENGER was
seated!"
"Omigosh! Did he-- >gulp< fly OUT?"
"Yes... but it was Gladstone Gander!"
"Whew! he'll be okay with HIS luck!"
That was one of the best gags in the story, and it was ruined!

Sure it was, but again, I'm not surprised. This gag was used around the
world, and governments did not topple nor did societies crumble. Of course
the comment was weird... it's called "humor". But you can see that Disney
feared that airline pilots would sue them for making the public think they
did not care for the safety of their passengers.
What's bad for me is that it's impossible to replace my gag with something
sensible, and it looks like I wrote was was used. A guy (who is not supposed
to be world-famous) is sucked through the side of a jet airliner and the
pilot thinks he's okay since he's a lucky guy. Eh.

>>>>>Pg 13, panel 4: DD asks for gory details, but it's changed to "Tell us
MORE!"

Yes. Gory means "bloody" when used in certain contexts. The use of that word
might have driven children insane with bloodlust and they would have taken
axes to their playmates. It's a good thing Disney caught that! Whew.

>>>>pg 11, panel 9: Pa Duck asks: "What's that fancy pattern you're
a'paintin'? I've seen those on other barns, but..."
It's now "What's that fancy pattern you're painting? I seen those on other
barns!"

Yes! We must NOT poke fun at speech patterns of our rural brethern! It would
be tactless and in wretched bad taste.

>>>>Pg 13, panel 7: For some reason, John Clark decided to add another
"HERE!"
after DD says "Over Here!" (Over here! HERE!)
Pg 14, panel 6, this one boggles: Scrooge asks Donald if he would like
lemonade AND cookies!
And lastly, pg 14, panel 8: Scrooge doesn't say to himself "5 cents
deposit" but just "5 cents, 5 cents". I guess John didn't have enough
room?

These are all probably just changes John Clark made to fill my oversized
balloons. I make them extra large for foreign languages like Finnish or
German. John doesn't have the time to redraw all the balloons like Todd
Klein does when he letters a "Lo$" story. Anyway, all these changes are
obviously okay.

>>>>On top of all that, there's words all through it that aren't emphasized
in
bold lettering where they should be to make the reading better.
Other than that, everything looks great with the color and hand lettering
and all...

And Shaun also tells me that the story's references to the just-off-screen
scene of Grandma Duck *giving birth* is left intact!!! That seems to be a
major triumph. Perhaps giving birth is a bodilly function considered akin to
farting?
By the way, I'll look forward to seeing if all my dialogue from the railroad
lounge-car scene is intact. That all came directly from the "Ale and Quail
Clubcar" scene in Preston Sturges' "Palm Beach Story".

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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #118
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CEBARAT:

> *All* the stories featuring Nazis I ever read put them in the worst
> possible light, which is, IMO, absolutely correct, "moral" and
> educative.

You're from the United States, aren't you?

> What about "Treasure of Marco Polo," or the stories featuring the Brutopians
> (read: Soviets)? For the same reason you don't regard the Nazi stories as
> "controversial" because the Nazis are depicted negatively, I don't regard
> these "Cold War" era stories as controversial. And yet, the original form
> of "Marco Polo" was altered to remove a reference to the "Workers' Paradise".

The Cold War is over! The commies are now your friends!
Re-publishing American propaganda in other than culturological or
parodical context is rather bad taste. Think about publishing Disney
comics where slavery is okay, where butchering Indians ang negroes is
okay, where beating women is okay... Where Russian and Chinese people are
incarnations of pure evil just waiting to sacrifice red-haired American
children not fit for anything but quick genocide. All just because the US
government has an opinion - or in most cases the Prez wants to distract
the public's attention from his own uncompetence or bad reputation: "Wait
a minute! There's undemocracy in Kuba! We must save them! Paula Jones
who, by the way?"

Kuba is not an evil place. And neither is Bosnia or Israel or
Iraq. And Saddam Hussein is not that son of Satan American media has
turned him into. But if the media were allowed to tell the truth... Well,
think about Vietnam. A war so unpopular it had to be stopped. But Persian
Gulf, what a great and throughly justified war!

God bless America!

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie

DON:

> *This* really puzzles me!!! The obvious reference was to Byron Erickson! Why
> on earth was this removed??? Plus changed to some gibberish like "Byman's"
> rather than "Bob's"?

I don't know aboyt Byron Erickson, but *Lord* Byron was a very
controversial person, and we wouldn't want any of that controversy in
our comics, would we? :-)

I wonder, though, if "Byman" isn't what someone made of someone else's
poor handwriting?
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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resistance when trying to enter a zone of strictly regimented military
security."
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CHRIS:

> What about "Treasure of Marco Polo," or the stories featuring the
> Brutopians (read: Soviets)? For the same reason you don't regard the
> Nazi stories as "controversial" because the Nazis are depicted
> negatively, I don't regard these "Cold War" era stories as
> controversial. And yet, the original form of "Marco Polo" was altered
> to remove a reference to the "Workers' Paradise".

When "A Cold Bargain" was reprinted in Picsou, the editors said in an
article that the Chief of the Brutopian was either Krouchtchef (I'm not
sure of the spelling) or Carl Buettner. The latter is not impossible, if
you look at a photograph of Buettner in "Carl Barks and the Art of the
Comic Book" by Michael Barrier, but I doubt it. Is there something about
that in an American (comic-)book?

I also have another question regarding Barks classic stories: does
someone know why are there almost no "space" around the last panel of
Barks's "Old California"?

Francois

This is my replies to some older subjects, I didn't check my email for a couple of
days, and then got hit buy 84 new messages :O ( A list stopped bouncing me). I'm
glad mailing list's aren't on paper, or I'd have been crushed when I opened my InBox.

[Censorship]
Eta Beta wrote: "It means we are not considered intelligent enough to make our own
choices..."
That's what the goverenment is for.

My Mother censored everything I did when I was young. TV, Books, etc -d-i-d-n-'-t-
-a-f-f-e-c-t- -m-e-, on consideration maybe it did, but I wont go into that.

Daniel van Eijmeren wrote : "...the 'problem' is that this list does not have a limited
membership or a controlled membership...The positive thing on this is that anybody
interested in Disney comics can join..."
OI!!! I won't say what I think off the first part of that.

Daniel van Eijmeren wrote : "...other stories seem to be banned forever now because
they were submitted to the wrong person on the wrong moment."
Censors are just human. However they can do some good. The Oz censors are the only
reason that some missing DrWho footage was found.

Daniel van Eijmeren wrote : "I fully agree that a publisher should be aware of young
readers, but should this rule out an availability for collectors?"
I'm reminded of a paralell with DrWho, people reacted badly when it had content 'not
suitable for children', just because children like something, it doesn't have to
be all for children. Subtlety is the key.

Daniel van Eijmeren wrote : "Disney may not want to know they once drew black people
so stereotypical and so *that* may be why they don't allow it..."
Could be...

[Reprints]
Dean Rekich wrote :"We are told that Europe produces THOUSANDS of new pages of Disney
comics a year. Yet what do we keep getting from Gladstone? MORE Barks re-re-reprints!
Why on earth not print some of these European stories?!?"
Don't flame me for this, but I think it's just part of the american psyche, or it
could be copyright and/or trade laws.

Dean Rekich wrote : "I would like for as many people as possible to express on the
list what THEIR preferences are [about reprints]"
I haven't seen a new disney comic in years, I don't care. I just want to see a comic,
preferablely one that doesn't contain stories that I own. ( Remember I'm in Oz )

I have a suggestion: Gladstone could have tittles specifically for reprints, and
titles specifically for new stuff. They wont as it makes it harder to milk the customer.

Dwight Decker wrote : "Uncle Scrooge Bargain Book...may not be quite worth a ten-spot"

Depends on what is buys, here it buys only 9 packets of chips, with 10c change. I
bet it would cost a lot more in Oz. A Marvel comic costs 2.95 at a newsagent here
BTW.

[Continuity]
'Don Rosa' wrote : "The letterer is the last person to see the script, and he proofreads
his own work..."
10 bucks says it's only to check it is what was written, I doubt the letter would
have the authority to question the writer.

[Miscelaneous]
Dean Rekich wrote : "Gladstone is quite vague in answer to questions posed to them."

Gladstone id a company, what do you expect?

Francois Willot : "I've apparently lost a mail that I wrote yesterday. I'm going
to rewrite it from memory (which is *not* very funny)."
You have my sympathies, it always happens to me.

"Paolino Paperino e il mistero di Marte" What? Sorry I only speak English, I want
to learn spanish but that's beside the point, can you do me a favour and put approximate
translations next to the proper titles.

Per-Erik wrote : "[Disney's] characters do not shoot each other with machine-guns."

I seem to remember a few guns in MM stories and I remember shots. Come July I will
be able to tell you which ones, (my comics are at home).

Fredrik Ekman : "...featured Donald taking over operation of a dilapidated hotel
previously owned by Scrooge. However, Scrooge by chance discovers that there might
be a treasure in the building..."
Sounds familiar.

David Gerstein wrote : "Isn't the Americans who say that 'silence leads to misunderstanding'?"

That could explain they're noiseness. (Opps, I've fogotten the Tongue In Cheek emoticon)

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Should anyone be interested in scans of some old Ellsworth comics check
out:
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http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/EllsMM105.gif
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/EllsWDC154.gif

I'll be taking them down sometime this weekend.

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html

I was wondering if any list members in France could let me know if Picsou
offered overseas subscriptions.
Thanks!
Kevin Greenlee

Hi everyone,

I finally received Don Rosa's 'A Little Something Special' a couple of days
ago and read it last night. I couldn't help but notice that Gladstone had
censored the cover so that Don's hidden dedication now says "U.C.K." From
the shocked look on all the faces of the characters on the cover one wonders
what the original said... ;-)

Only kidding Don! We all know it said D.U.C.K.! Speaking of duck's I really
loved the gag about the weight of a duck! After laughing out loud I had to
explain to my wife why it was funny which involved animated impersonations of
John Cleese and Michael Palin et al:-D

Shaun