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Kriton Kyrimis
ARCHONTIS:

> This will go DITTO for me. If this is how Gladstone perceives their "new"
> prestige-format era, thanks, but I'll pass. If they don't have something new
> to offer their readers, they should probably think about folding altogether.
> I never thought I'd say such a (heretic) thing, but as somebody told me very
> recently, "we seem to have Barks stories coming out of our ears".

That was probably me, so another DITTO for me.

As an example of why I said this, consider that I spent almost 20
years waiting for a reprint of "Prize of Pizarro", which I first read
in issue #3 of the Greek Mickey Mouse magazine in 1966, and was never
reprinted. Now, thanks to Gladstone, then Disney, then Gladstone again,
I've lost count of how many different copies of that story I own,
and the story has lost much of the magic it had when I first read it,
and which it still had when I first re-read it in the '80s.

(You can judge how important this story used to be to me by the fact
that I remember the issue number of both the Greek edition and the
first Gladstone reprint (U$ #211). You can judge how this importance
has diminished, by my having lost count of the other reprints, never
mind remembering exact issue numbers.)

DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN:

> this re-re-reprinting also devaluates Barks' stories to standard
> filler work.

This is exactly the feeling I had when reading this month's KOMIX.
The feature story was Scarpa's "Legend of the Flying Scotsman",
with a Barks story relegated to completing that issue's page count.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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Rich Bellacera
FRANCOIS:
>B 860064 is indeed "Pippo e il giorno del tremore". But I can't find
>"Per un giorno di sole " in TL 1702. In the database, TL 1702 is listed
>as:... <snip>

WRT the database entry, the indexer must have made a mistake, since
"Per un giorno di sole" *does* appear in TL 1702, between "Paperino e
le fatture in scadenza" and "Zio Paperone e il torneo di Paperimbledon".
I have it on very good authority that story code is clearly printed as
B 860064. Besides, wasn't it Gilbert's original query that quoted the
same story with the same code, but from a different edition?

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
Marquetta Pisarcik
This is just my opinion, but I sort of don't mind the reprints, only for
one reason. I have recently lost a vast amount of my old Gladstone
collection and would like to try and get some of the most memorable
stories back---this can be done by purchasing reprinted stories. The
other way is to purchase back issues, which, for me, is a much better
system in that I get the exact story I want without waiting for
reprints.

On the other had, I find that a lot of the European stories irritate me,
lack story plot and art quality. I prefer the old Barks stories and the
art work of Don Rosa over the european work (unless it be a Rosa story
that was originally published in Europe first). I would like to see a
NEW Rosa story in every Uncle Scrooge or WDCS issue, along with each
Barks story and William Van Horn, etc. Barks is wonderful, and I don't
mind the reprints so much, but I would really like to see more Rosa
stuff. Also---I hate that Rosa stories are continued in following
issues. I would like to just see them finish the story in one issue.
Maybe I'd buy more comics then. I find it irritating to have to
purchase new issues just to complete the story. Especially when the rest
of the book is, in my mind, crap. I don't enjoy other european groups
duck stories, and hate to have to deal with them in a new issue just
because I had to buy it to finish the Rosa story I want.

If Barks can be reprinted, I would like to receive a fresh, new Rosa
story along with them (Barks stories) each month. I think that at
$6.95, we should be getting more for that price.

Marquetta Pisarcik

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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #116
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Mike Schneiderath
Hi!

Gladstone:
While we were already discussing errors in an recent issue of the
"Previews" magazine.=20

In PREVIEWS May 1998, Page 251, Uncle Scrooge #313 it reads
"..."Trapped in Castle Rollingstein" from Holland and translated to english
by David Gerstein that takes the Ducks into the Carpathian Mountains for an
encounter with a vampirelike villan,..."

Well, I don=B4t want to question David Gerstein=B4s knowledge of the dutch
language, but as far as I know the major part of the translation was done
by Arthur de Wolf. But correct me if I am wrong!

Don Rosa:
Looking at the recent Picsou drawing that shows three scenes with Donald
and the nephews there is a big flag in the upper scene. As this flag is
shown empty in the magazine, I would like to know what you intended to be
written on it.
(I believe it has something to do with the nephews 60th birthday.??)

Bye!

Mike
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
FRANCOIS:
>What is Eli Squinch's first appearance? I don't see what character he
>is. Is he physically very different than S. Shyster (one of the =
villain
>from "Death Valley")?
Squinch first appears in 1934's "Bobo the Elephant," which has
been reprinted in various editions including by Gladstone. He reappears
in two other Gottfredson stories, "In Search of Jungle Treasure" and
"Race for Riches" - the second of those two is perhaps the most famous
Squinch story, as (SPOILER!) he pretends to want to marry Clarabelle =
Cow
to get his hands on a treasure map that she has (END OF SPOILER).
Squinch has been used in British and Italian production,
especially in the earlier years, and by Egmont (Gladstone's DONALD DUCK
AND MICKEY MOUSE 4 and WDC&S 617 are two examples of those stories in
American editions).
As for what makes him different from Shyster physically -
Shyster has black skin/fur where Squinch has white. Shyster has a long
rat-type nose while Squinch has a big chin that sticks out in front (so
like Popeye, he ends up talking out of the side of his mouth a lot). =
And
Squinch wears a business suit while Shyster dresses like Uncle Scrooge
later would, complete with spats. Squinch also has wooly whiskers on =
the
sides of his face which (as portrayed by some lesser artists) almost
look like an extra pair of his dog-ears.
The basic problem is that aside from these differences, Shyster
and Squinch have almost identical *proportions* to each other, so when
one is seen beside Pete (the usual partner to both of them), he may
remind a reader of the other.
(SPOILER!) If you can wait until the fall, I have an Egmont
story of my own coming up in which Shyster and Squinch team up (for, I
hope, the first time). It includes many good shots of the two together,
where the difference will be immediately obvious. (END OF SPOILER)

SHAUN:
>I also agree. I once was willing to get every issue of WDC&S, or now
the
>new U$, but now I find myself actually having to take a copy of
previews
>to the comic store manager and actually showing her what NOT to order
You may want some upcoming WDC&S more than you think when you
see what's in them. Remember that in the case of WDC&S, the =
solicitation
only mentions a couple of the stories included, and more is always
added.

DON:
>I'm surprised you didn't know this -- that was not a new cover. I did
that
>cover 10 years ago for the last thing Gladstone printed during its
first
>license-period, before Disney revoked it. That cover, and a few others
with
>Donald & Mickey, appeared on their line of 7 "WALT DISNEY'S COMICS IN
COLOR"
>albums.
But... but... while you DID intend the cover that's just been
printed for the WDCiC series, it's one that hasn't been published =
before
now -=A0the version of the WDC&S sailboat cover that has Scrooge and
Mickey rather than the nephews. That was in the Italian book about you,
Don, but it's never been published on an actual comic book before.
(Ironically, where should it appear now but the *new* series of those
same comic albums, WALT DISNEY'S COMICS IN COLOR!)

MARQUETTA:
>I would like to see a=20
>NEW Rosa story in every Uncle Scrooge or WDCS issue, along with each=20
>Barks story and William Van Horn, etc.
>If Barks can be reprinted, I would like to receive a fresh, new Rosa=20
>story along with them (Barks stories) each month. =20
Er... too bad. One thing about Rosa's (and Van Horn's) excellent
work is that it takes a lot of time to produce - enough time that
there's not enough for it to be featured in every issue, even when some
of the stories are broken into serial form!
As a writer and editor of the European stuff you say you hate, I
do wish you'd give it more of a chance and not lump it together in one
homogenous mass. Some stories and art are really better than others, =
and
there are some greats over here.

David Gerstein
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Rich Pegasus
RE: SPECIAL COLLECTORS EDITION?
DANIEL van EIJMEREN:
> > I fully agree that a publisher should be aware of young readers, but should
> > this rule out an availability for collectors?

I like the idea of a special "Collectors Edition" series perhaps
specifically
designed for older readers not placed among the Children's comic books.
These
uncensored reprints of the older material complete with any necessary
"Parental
Guidance" warnings would be a great addition to my collection. Is there
any
way we FANS could petition for such an *ADULT* collection?

Such a Collectors series could probably have a higher than normal
pricetag,
but I can't imagine ANY hardcore fan who wouldn't want a copy.

RE: ABOUT RE-RE-RE-RE-REPRINTS
Except for a few dissenters, who like re-re-re-reprints in order to find
copies of their favorite Barks tales which they no longer have, it would
seem
the vocal majority would like more NEW/fresh material, and less of the
reprinted
stuff. I believe "fresh" would include stuff that hasn't been reprinted
for
atleast 10 to 15 years... at the very least.

I could live with sporadic Barks and Gottfredson and even Rosa
re-reprints as
long as they were no where near the frequency with which we are
currently seeing
in Gladstone. Also, it seems that it might be easy enough for Gladstone
to
simply reprint their "Library" collections should the demand become
great for
vast quantities of re-re-re-reprints, but to please keep new and fresh
material
the norm for the two remaining monthly titles.

WRT those wanting the re-re-re-reprinting to continue, I'd be willing to
bet
that those *hard-to-find* back issues could be located by someone on the
List
and a trade or such could be arranged. I know that much of Gladstone I
and
the Disney self-publishing era is still fairly easy to find in my area.
I am
also able to find quite a bit of the Dell and Gold Key titles here.
Though
I may rightfully be accused of gobbling up a good deal of them to fill
the gaps
in my own collection. :-)

I'm sure all this stale re-re-re-reprinting is eventually going to kill
the
American market. I certainly don't want to see the day when there is no
longer
any new Disney comics being published in America. I'm trying to do my
part to
keep Gladstone profitable buy buying nearly everything that is
published, but
these latest "Walt Disney Comics In Color" editions were the last
straw. When
the proprietor of my local comic book store pulled my file (my weekly
purchases)
and presented me with these newly formated re-re-re-reprints I threw up
my arms
in anguish and said "No thanks...I've already got all of those about 20
times!"
I really hated doing that too, since I am known by that store as a BIG
Disney &
Gladstone fan! They are always special ordering things for me (like the
recent
re-re-reprinted collection "The Biggest Big Mickey Mouse" book).
Don Rosa
From Todd Klein
: >DON R.:
>
>It must be very upsetting to see a continuity mistake like "granddaughter"
>instead of "niece" see print, but I can't agree with you on putting blame
on
>the letterer for not catching it.

!!! For pete's sake, I did NOT start out putting the blame on the letterer
for not catching that goof! Why do people keep saying I did?! I wanted to
notify the ML of the error, but since I brought that up, I felt I needed to
show that I did NOT blame the letterer... so I was trying to give him (as
both editor *and* letterer) an excuse by saying that the letterer must not
read every word he writes. Then when I was first accused of "blaming the
letterer" and it was stated that the letterer is not the final arbiter or
proofreader of what is or isn't an error, I have no choice but to say he
obviously *is*, regardless of where most of the "blame" rests (which is
probably on me, since it was *my* story). I didn't catch that mistake...
Byron didn't catch it... others didn't catch it... and finally John Clark
didn't catch it when he read the story's script as the editor, then lettered
the story, then proofread the lettering. And he told me that he didn't know
why he didn't catch it because he knew it was incorrect, but he just read
over the goof like we all did.
I am constantly praising letterers! I think it's the hardest part of
comics... it's the ONE part that I can't do worth a dang, assuming I can do
*any* part worth that dang. I don't like people to accuse me of picking on
letterers! Stop it!
Michael Naiman
For those bemoaning the fact that they've never seen the Wendigo story in
English...please refer to the Mike Schneiderath's Don Rosa page...
www.geocities.com/soho/8024
SRoweCanoe
reprints again?

Well, I've been buying Uncle Scrooge and WDC&S since Barks did em (with time
out as a high school student), so I've seen most Barks stories several times.
So I'd rather see something else - on the other hand, hopefully there's
someone out there, to who these stories are new...

I'd say that they shouldn't reprint anything more than once every 5 years -
preferably 10 years...

Steven Rowe
David Page
Between the Re-reprints of Barks stories and the distribution problem
outside of North America it would seem as though there could not be much
of a future for Gladstone. I am purchasing all of the Barks albums in
colour, so I and anyone else who gets them just don't need to buy a
Barks story in a comic book (prestige format or not). Gladstone will
need to do something soon before it's too late. Gladstone cannot rely on
Don Rosa's talents forever without correcting their overall choice of
publication material. Scarpa is a good choice as an alternative.

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Per-Erik Malmström
Don:
Thank you for your answers on the questions. I certainly look forward to
see that Mickey & Donald story of yours!

Approximately a year ago, a Swedish TV-channel showed a 2-part documentary
about the French Foreign Legion. The legion didn't seem to have much in
common with the one we see in the comics though.
You had to go through a lot of hard tests to join the legion and only the
ones that were in great fysical condition got in(Donald would never pass
those tests!).
The rules were hard and the ones that didn't obey orders had to go
home--immediately!

The Legion was active then, and I wouldn't be surprised if it still is...

Best,
Per-Erik
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Dr. Archontis Pantsios
I noticed a number of postings on this List expressing indifference or
preference towards Barks reprints in Gladstone.

I NEVER said I was against such reprints in principle; what I *DID* say was
that I was against reprints of Barks stories reprinted only too recently in
the States.

For example, there are many Barks stories printed by Gladstone in their
first years of their first run. Even if I have these stories in album
format, I wouldn't grudge too much if stories like "The Seven Cities of
Cibola", or "In Old California", or "A Cold Bargain" (when was the last time
this story appeared in a *comic book* in the States?), or "Isle of the
Golden Geese" (DITTO for this) were reprinted. But "Back to Long Ago"?

Isn't it a given in comic-book publishing that you don't re-print a story
unless 10 years have elapsed from its previous appearance?

Cheers,

Archontis
DeanMary
I want to thank eveyone who is taking the time to speak up about the
subject of Gladstone's re-re-reprinting of stories. I hope this
discussion continues to take place and that someone at Gladstone finally
gives us an answer.

David Gerstein wrote:

But PREVIEWS *did* make a serious mistake with WDC&S 628 (quite
a shame, because it's through PREVIEWS that the ONLY market for these
comics finds out what's supposed to be in them!). "Officer for a Day" is
a Barks *script*, but it's Daan Jippes' new redrawn version for the
first time. It's a phenomenal job and in this new version, it's *never*
appeared in the USA.

This truly is unfortunate as Gladstone was trying to give us at least
*something* new in regards to Duck stories.

A few people have mentioned how Gladstone has printed Don's stories in
three parts in isssues of WDC$S. I HATE when they do that with a
passion! Thankfully though they are printing 3 Rosa stories in a row in
their entirety in Uncle Scrooge. Gladstone does need to be praised when
they do things well. Hopefully the days of 3 part Rosa stories are
over!

Shaun Knowler wrote:

Okay, now with all of the above said, I must also say this; I am VERY
VERY
thankful that Gladstone is around to even make ANYTHING! I would truly
go
mad if Disney comics in North America disappeared, and I could no longer
admire the wonderful coloring done by Gladstone, or appreciate Don
Rosa's
original scripts and read his stories as they're meant to be (censorship
aside), or be able to have all of Carl Barks' Uncle Scrooge tales
printed
in very high quality books.

In some ways I agree Shaun. I too don't want to think about there
being NO new Disney comics in North America. Also, part of me does feel
bad for criticizing Gladstone since they have in the past (and still do
but to a much smaller extent) brought me such great joy. However I
think that when we get thankful for them just being in business and
printing ANYTHING, even re-re-reprints, that we may be hurting
ourselves. Perhaps Gladstone has the attitude that Disney fans are so
desperate that they will buy anything we re-print. I think that we all
through both this list and with our pocketbooks should show Gladstone
that we have certains expectations that need to be met if they want to
sell us their publications. I think the bar may be set too low for
what we expect and will accept from Gladstone. If we discuss it enough
on the list and begin to NOT buy issues that are simply re-re-reprints
perhaps Gladstone will get the idea that they NEED to print more
original stories if they want to stay in business. If anyone has any
other ideas on how to make them see the light I would love to hear them.

Once again, thanks for the good discussion and hopefully we will hear
from someone at Gladstone soon!

Dean Rekich
Bhc
Some of you have wondered why Gladstone (in the form of yours truly) has
been so quiet lately here on the mailing list, outside of an occasional
remark on a specific matter. This is very simple: I haven't had anything to
say.

That's not because things aren't happening here at Gladstone, or that there
aren't interesting discussions running on this mailing list, it's just that
I myself have simply run out of steam. This is partly because I've been
occupied with the current situation we find ourselves in, facing a very
tricky future, partly because good news isn't as plentiful as I'd like, but
mainly because I realize I just can't convey what goes on around here at
Gladstone in terms that are meaningful.

Someone else could no doubt do this far better than I ever have, but right
now I'm all we've got. So, unless it's something I'm pretty darn sure I can
put a worthwhile two cents into, I'm gonna stick to the sidelines.
Mikael Andersson
Hello!
I'm looking for the Barks story named "Pengaregn" in Swedish, I don't
know the English title.

The story is about Donald working at $crogges farm, but he leaves the
farm with Gladstone, and $crooge's money get sucked up in the air and
some of it falls down into Gladstones hat.

I'd like to now in which American and Swedish Disney-publications it has
been published.

Please answer me private to this e-mail: (Email removed)

I appriciate all help I can get...

/Mikael Andersson - GUN POINT COMICS
http://www.portlandia.se/gunpoint
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