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JUSSE MANTERE:
>I agree, though, that re-re-re-reprints are stupid; I wouldn't mind
>reading a different story for a change!
>But, anyway, most of these bulk-cartoons are shit. Made my point.

One thing I forgot to say in my previous post, of which you might not
be aware: There in no NEW American material being produced so,
for Gladstone, they either reprint what they already have, or they
buy stuff from Disney's archives, or from the foreign market... since
Gladstone is either unwilling to buy any of the archived stuff, or
Disney is unwilling to release it, then that leaves us with either
the re-re-reprints or the foreign material...

Rich

> Don Rosa wrote:

> He DID say "shut up" once? Ah, I assumed Shaun meant that they removed ALL
> the "shut ups". Well, then that makes the removal of ANY of them from the
> running gag tag-line even more puzzling... I thought I'd found an answer,
> but now...

Here's the instances of "shut up's" and missing "shut up's" in the Gladstone edition:
(SPOILERS AHEAD)
When the train splits apart..."Oh, stop it!"
Train car floating away on the barge... "Oh, be quiet!"
Just before meteor crash.."Oh <sob> shut up!"
Donald, in last panel..."Oh...shut up!"

So they let the final two stay, but the others got changed. Stoopid.

Claudia wrote:
But "Il Matrimonio di Paperone" exists! I remember reading it a few years

> ago... <snip>
> ****SPOILER****
> in order to get [the land], Scrooge asks Brigitta to marry him. But
> there is also an other opportunity: thanks to a golf ball which Scrooge
> lost in the land twenty years before, he could become owner without getting
> married... the problem is that this would take more time than what is left
> to Scrooge before the marriage...
> What IMO was really good were the scenes of the marriage...
> **** END OF SPOILER ****

HUH? GIMME GIMME GIMME! I want to see this! Wow! How interesting! (As a Goldie fan, I'm
a bit peeved by the idea, but...fascinating!!!) My kingdom for a set of scans! ;-)

Oh, also, you Rosa fans (and Rosa himself) might be interested to know that I used scans from
Lo$ or Theodore Roosevelt to illustrate a report I did for Social Studies class last week. I
used pictures to illustrate points about the Rough Riders, Roosevelt's opulent beginnings,
his time in Dakota, and also his return to politics! It was a lot of fun, and further proved
my theory that *everything I learn in school has been covered in duck comics!* :-)

Happy Quacking,

Katie Quackfaster

"Speak softly but carry a big stick...of dynamite!" ~ T.R, Lo$: The Invader of Fort
Duckburg

Daniel von Eijmeren's wonderfull page at
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/facts/facts01.htm
had this tidbit about the ongoing "shut up" debate...

BEGIN QUOTE

During the mid-fifties Barks, in search of new story material, started
reusing plots from his stories of the forties. For WDC 173 of February
1955, Barks wrote a story involving clashes between Donald and the
nephews for the first time in many years. Again, in March 1956, he
pitted the family of ducks against each other in the ice taxi story.
This resulted in a letter from an irate mother which Barks' editor Alice
Cobb forwarded to him with a note (dated 4 June 1956), "We feel it is a
fair criticism. We should all watch for this sort of thing, we think -
and avoid it as much as possible". The original letter from the mother
with her critiques, which is no longer on file, must have included a
barb about the dialogue in the closing panel of the story, where Donald
tells his nephews to "Shut up!" Western's note to Barks concluded by
telling him, "In addition, we usually use 'Quiet!' instead of 'Shut
up!'"

Barks answered by explaining that "the objectionable Ice Boat Taxi plot
is a switch on a story in the June 1944 Disney Comics called 'Rival
Boatmen'". Then, thinking ahead to another as-yet-unpublished rivalry
story, he added, "The Swimming Race theme coming up in next month's
(July) Disney Comics [WDC 190] is a switch of the skating race plot from
March 1945 [WDC 54]".

The mid-fifties code-conscious reaction by Western's editors to a
singular complaint was difficult for Barks to accept. (Western
themselves, nine years later, thought nothing of reprinting the original
"Rival Boatmen" of WDC 54 in Donald Duck Beach Party 1). Barks once
expressed in a letter to fan Don Thompson (dated 18 October 1962) that
over the years he had "virtually no trouble with the editors. Mostly
because I am tooth-chatteringly careful about what I produce." But this
had been one of the exceptions.

END QUOTE

>From: Mikko Pohjola
>DON:
>A while ago you said you took a promotional trip to Finland. To my
>knowledge, it wasn't announced to public. So when was it that you were
>here and what did you do here?

Well, it wasn't a "public appearance" trip. I was in Stockholm and I made a
short hop across the water there to Helsinki for a brief visit with the
nice, nice people at Helsinki Media and to stop by the Goodfellows comic
store on private bizniz. For instance, the HMC people had me as a "surprise
celebrity guest" (wow!) at a group conference of Egmont publishers and
partners which was not open to the public. So I made no public appearances
while I was in Helsinki, and there was no reason to mention my visit
beforehand because I might have made someone unhappy (and mad at me?) that I
would be in town without a chance to visit with anyone.

>From: Jussi Mantere
>I must say that after following this discussion for quite a while now,
>there's one point I quite can't understand: WHY? Why do American people
>WANT to read more and more European stories?
>my only wish should be that also here in Europe we'd see more Rosa, Van
>Horn >But, anyway, most of these bulk-cartoons are shit. Made my point.

I'm not going to go into whether your opinions of what's good or bad ... but
just in case you weren't aware of it (and many people aren't), those Rosa
and Van Horn stories are all "European stories", too, y'know. We work
exclusively for Europe... if our work ever appears here in America, it's
strictly as reprints. And, as someone else pointed out, many of the other
stories are written by Americans. Rather than refer to "European stories",
you'll need to find out the exact names of which writers and artists you
like or don't like, and make individual references to them by name. (But,
obviously, thank you that you seem to like my stuff!)

By the way, to Francois: when you said that the new PICSOU smelled like
garlic, I thought you meant it was a printing defect. I just received
several copies in the mail, and they DO stink... but you hadn't mentioned
that they were *supposed* to stink (or did I ignore that part of your
comment, possibly thinking you were kidding?). The feature of the issue (as
near as my ancient high-school French can tell me) has something to do with
bad smells, and they put something stinky into the ink as a joke. But I
guess these Euro publishers don't consider the idea that some people *save*
these magazines rather than read them and toss them out... and I don't know
how to save these issues without risking them stinking up my file cabinet
after a few months or years. I'm gonna try laying them outside in the open
air for a few days and see what happens. Peeeee-yew!

Soeren:

>A few days ago I got one of those free webplaces,
>in this case at ProHosting.

I followed the link from your page
>http://thor.prohosting.com/~epikur
and found nothing *free*, but a lot of services you have to *pay* for.
Needless to say, that's not what I'm looking for.

--Harry.

DAVID:

>I've seen Shyster in *one* Italian story:
>I TL 1227-B 25 3 ADe MDV MM Topolino e le auto rubate=20
> To my surprise, when I checked it on our ddb database, Shyster's
>appearance as Pete's partner wasn't noted. But he is indeed there.

Well, you didn't find it because in the story that character is called
"Sgrinfia" (=Weasel). That's annoying in fact; "Sgrinfia" is a well-known
charcater who looks COMPLETELY different. And I've always wondered why the
editorial manager at Mondadori (was he Fossati at that time?) let such a
mistake pass.

By the way, Shyster was called "Lupo" ("Wolf") in pre-war Italian
translations of Gottfredson's stories, but that name was changed to
"Clodoveo" in new stories after the war.
The appearances in our database for stories up to 1982 are those given by
Fossati in his index, and he did NOT include Shyster. I have added some
appearances, but certainly lots are missing (not to speak of the "Dark Ages"
and most of the "Modern Era" where I didn't index ANY appearance at all...).
A couple of other instances of Shyster should turn out in the next release
of the Data Base (Harry????). I can give them to you now:

I TL 434-B (22nd March 1964)
Pippo e l'impresa trasporti
/Gazzarri/Carpi/
16/avventura gialla/Topolino, Basettoni, Manetta, Gambadilegno, Clodoveo
[ristampe: CD 96, GCD 103]

I TL 477-A (17th January 1965)
Topolino e la gita a Vecchia Pepita
/Barosso/Bottaro/
31/western moderno/Pippo, Eta Beta, Gambadilegno, Clodoveo
[ristampe: CWD 36, GCD 92]

Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex

In a message dated 98-05-11 14:25:51 EDT, you write:

<< which is probably the
reason why Gladstone relies so heavily on reprints: all this extra work
has already been done, which means that it is cheaper to reprint an old
story than to publish a new one. >>

And oddly enough, there are apparently some people who only buy Disney comics
with Barks stories in them! And now that Disneys are only available in the
collector's market, I'm sure that Gladstone wants to keep those readers.

Again, I personaly want the stories to be at least 5-10 years since the last
printing...
Steven Rowe (wh's read all the Barks stories)