HARRY:
I was a little disappointed about your reaction to
my commerciality message. Try again, Harry, please, on
http://thor.prohosting.com/~epikur
Try to search for 'Gatto' or 'Bottaro', but **don't**
search for 'Harry'! :-)
It's all case-sensitive, since my Perl is terrible!!!
S=F8ren
Author
Topic: 199805
(261 messages)
Soeren Krarup Olesen
CGI...again...
Message 136 -
1998-05-12 at 21:57:14
Arthur De Wolf
Disney comics Digest V98 #121
Message 137 -
1998-05-12 at 22:32:02
Hi!
Can anyone help me on places in the vicinity of Chicago
where they have comic-shops and maybe even Disney
comics? And does anyone know of any comic-convention
in that area in July?
Please reply to me in private email, as this is
a little off-topic! Sorry for that!
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf
(Email removed)
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #122
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Can anyone help me on places in the vicinity of Chicago
where they have comic-shops and maybe even Disney
comics? And does anyone know of any comic-convention
in that area in July?
Please reply to me in private email, as this is
a little off-topic! Sorry for that!
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf
(Email removed)
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #122
******************************************
Tarjei Kidd Olsen
Disney comics Digest V98 #118
Message 138 -
1998-05-12 at 23:10:39
Hi there,
VIDAR:
>Tarjei Kidd Olsen
>
>> Maybe I just don't see how bad it is because I'm used to s=
tories
>>being serialized form the Scandinavian and English publications I buy=
, but
><snip>
>
>What you forget is that in Norway there are four issues a month, while
>there's just
>*one* issue a month in the USA. That means waiting two months for a
three-parter
>in the USA compared to two weeks in Norway.
I see your point, but ONE of the English comics I subscribe too, only c=
omes
out once a month. It is a little annoying that I have to wait so long t=
o
see the continuations of various stories, but I think it's worth it if =
it
means the comic can continue (this particular comic used to come out
fortnightly, but had to go back to a monthly format, presumably because=
of
the current bad state of comic sales in the UK). And I think the same a=
bout
the Gladstone comics.
BTW, the Norwegian DD & Co. is really quite good at the moment!
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VIDAR:
>Tarjei Kidd Olsen
>
>> Maybe I just don't see how bad it is because I'm used to s=
tories
>>being serialized form the Scandinavian and English publications I buy=
, but
><snip>
>
>What you forget is that in Norway there are four issues a month, while
>there's just
>*one* issue a month in the USA. That means waiting two months for a
three-parter
>in the USA compared to two weeks in Norway.
I see your point, but ONE of the English comics I subscribe too, only c=
omes
out once a month. It is a little annoying that I have to wait so long t=
o
see the continuations of various stories, but I think it's worth it if =
it
means the comic can continue (this particular comic used to come out
fortnightly, but had to go back to a monthly format, presumably because=
of
the current bad state of comic sales in the UK). And I think the same a=
bout
the Gladstone comics.
BTW, the Norwegian DD & Co. is really quite good at the moment!
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Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 139 -
1998-05-13 at 01:06:17
RICH BELLACERA --
It's true that Egmont's material is written in English
(kind of odd, considering that's one of the few major languages
it doesn't get published in), but much of it is done by people
for whom English is not a native language. Thus, there's some
odd phrasing, and the dialog is often less colloquial than it
should be; therefore, as you hinted, they're often re-written
for the American audience. The "American Script" credit in many
of Gladstone's stories refers to the person who does that.
Of course, a lot of Egmont's writers nowadays are American,
as are a couple of their editors, so that's less a factor than
it used to be.
P.C. BARRETO --
I just checked www.pobox.com/~barreto/superomao01.jpg, and
it said the page no longer exists. I can understand not wanting to
leave it up forever, but wow!
DON ROSA --
As incongruous as it sounds in relation to the comics-
reading habits of the people on this list, I think that garlic-
scented PICSOU just might be what American fanboys call a must-
have-double-bag item.
Quack, Don
It's true that Egmont's material is written in English
(kind of odd, considering that's one of the few major languages
it doesn't get published in), but much of it is done by people
for whom English is not a native language. Thus, there's some
odd phrasing, and the dialog is often less colloquial than it
should be; therefore, as you hinted, they're often re-written
for the American audience. The "American Script" credit in many
of Gladstone's stories refers to the person who does that.
Of course, a lot of Egmont's writers nowadays are American,
as are a couple of their editors, so that's less a factor than
it used to be.
P.C. BARRETO --
I just checked www.pobox.com/~barreto/superomao01.jpg, and
it said the page no longer exists. I can understand not wanting to
leave it up forever, but wow!
DON ROSA --
As incongruous as it sounds in relation to the comics-
reading habits of the people on this list, I think that garlic-
scented PICSOU just might be what American fanboys call a must-
have-double-bag item.
Quack, Don
Katie Sullivan
Disney comics Digest V98 #122
Message 140 -
1998-05-13 at 03:27:40
> Uh-oh... Sounds like a theme is developing here... :-) With the wedding of
> DD&DD, and Mickey & Sam and now of Scrooge &(__), there's enough
> material to do a special book!
I'D buy it! :-)
> I'd still like to see Disney do something
> with Horace & Clarabelle, or, if they could get over their fears, actually
> have Mickey & Minnie finally tie the knot for the Millenium celebration.
Yeah, you'd think they'd be more upset about M&M having a long-term relationship without benefit
of marriage! ;-)
> By the way, to Francois: when you said that the new PICSOU smelled like
> garlic, I thought you meant it was a printing defect. I just received
> several copies in the mail, and they DO stink... but you hadn't mentioned
> that they were *supposed* to stink
LOL! Good grief! I had a similar problem with some post cards in my collection once. They had
been in a damp place before I got my hands on them, and smelled quite moldy. I ended up sealing
them in plastic Zip-loc bags and then sticking them away in another box. I think there are
products that take away the smell, but I don't think that would work when it was *intended* to
stink! Yikes! I've never heard of such a thing.
> Claudia, Claudia, didn't you notice that TWICE I wrote <yet> ????
> In fact I wanted Goldie to ask something about that story...
I'd *love* to see that story! Or at least, someone tell me more!
Also, regarding tours and comic conventions...
I've never been to one. A few Star Trek conventions some years ago, but never a comics one. Do
they ever come to Minneapolis (Minnesota)? That's about the only place I can be sure to attend.
Don Rosa never seems to be around where I live. And I don't plan on being in Finland in the near
future! ;-)
Katie Quackfaster
> DD&DD, and Mickey & Sam and now of Scrooge &(__), there's enough
> material to do a special book!
I'D buy it! :-)
> I'd still like to see Disney do something
> with Horace & Clarabelle, or, if they could get over their fears, actually
> have Mickey & Minnie finally tie the knot for the Millenium celebration.
Yeah, you'd think they'd be more upset about M&M having a long-term relationship without benefit
of marriage! ;-)
> By the way, to Francois: when you said that the new PICSOU smelled like
> garlic, I thought you meant it was a printing defect. I just received
> several copies in the mail, and they DO stink... but you hadn't mentioned
> that they were *supposed* to stink
LOL! Good grief! I had a similar problem with some post cards in my collection once. They had
been in a damp place before I got my hands on them, and smelled quite moldy. I ended up sealing
them in plastic Zip-loc bags and then sticking them away in another box. I think there are
products that take away the smell, but I don't think that would work when it was *intended* to
stink! Yikes! I've never heard of such a thing.
> Claudia, Claudia, didn't you notice that TWICE I wrote <yet> ????
> In fact I wanted Goldie to ask something about that story...
I'd *love* to see that story! Or at least, someone tell me more!
Also, regarding tours and comic conventions...
I've never been to one. A few Star Trek conventions some years ago, but never a comics one. Do
they ever come to Minneapolis (Minnesota)? That's about the only place I can be sure to attend.
Don Rosa never seems to be around where I live. And I don't plan on being in Finland in the near
future! ;-)
Katie Quackfaster
Didier Ghez
Picsou
Message 141 -
1998-05-13 at 12:20:12
Hi,
Here are a couple of explanantions that Pascal Pierrey from Picsou gave m=
e
yesterday. I already sent those to Don, but I thought you might be
interested.
About the 3X3 sign on the Junior W banner. Here is his explanation: =
The drawing and all the parts of it that are considered as text are =
on
different films. It looks as if between the point when the films wer=
e =
sent to the printer and the point when it was published, the printer=
=
lost the film that contained the 3X3 text. So this was not a =
deliberate act of sabotage, more like a casualty of the publishing =
industry.
=
As for the smell of the latest Picsou. It seems to have been an othe=
r =
mix up, but Pascal did not have time to explain that one yesterday.
=
On a VERY good note: The French Life of Scrooge sold extremely well.=
=
So much so that Pascal thinks there might be a hard cover edition at=
=
some point and that there might also be a volume two and three and =
more in this series of Scrooge albums, containing either all of the =
Rosa stories or all the Scrooge stories by Barks in chronological =
order !
=
The son of the big boss of the Walt Disney Company (who is 17) has T=
he
Life of Scrooge as on of his favorite readings.
Didier
The Disney Books Network: http://www.pizarro.net/didier
Here are a couple of explanantions that Pascal Pierrey from Picsou gave m=
e
yesterday. I already sent those to Don, but I thought you might be
interested.
About the 3X3 sign on the Junior W banner. Here is his explanation: =
The drawing and all the parts of it that are considered as text are =
on
different films. It looks as if between the point when the films wer=
e =
sent to the printer and the point when it was published, the printer=
=
lost the film that contained the 3X3 text. So this was not a =
deliberate act of sabotage, more like a casualty of the publishing =
industry.
=
As for the smell of the latest Picsou. It seems to have been an othe=
r =
mix up, but Pascal did not have time to explain that one yesterday.
=
On a VERY good note: The French Life of Scrooge sold extremely well.=
=
So much so that Pascal thinks there might be a hard cover edition at=
=
some point and that there might also be a volume two and three and =
more in this series of Scrooge albums, containing either all of the =
Rosa stories or all the Scrooge stories by Barks in chronological =
order !
=
The son of the big boss of the Walt Disney Company (who is 17) has T=
he
Life of Scrooge as on of his favorite readings.
Didier
The Disney Books Network: http://www.pizarro.net/didier
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
On Barks script-only-stories
Message 142 -
1998-05-13 at 12:44:36
GEIR:
>Hi! A while ago (perhaps even more than a year) somebody said on this list
>that Schroeder (I think it was) was going to re-ink the U$ 71
>Barks-script-only story, "King Scrooge the first"....Do anybody know if
>this has been done yet???
Even if I have the Tony Strobl version of that Barks script-only-story, I
too would be very interested in seeing a re-drawn version of higher quality.
Is this Schroeder guy the one who *HAD* re-inked "King Scrooge the First",
but he was later not 100% satisfied with the results and destroyed the
re-inked art? I seem to recall reading something to that effect ~5 years ago
about a German guy. Couldn't Daan Jippes re-ink that story?
Speaking abour Barks script-only-stories, what's the scoop on "Somewhere in
nowhere"? Now that G & M (the infamous "managers") are out of Barks' life,
can we expect to see that story any time soon?
Finally, has Pat Block been doing any Disney work recently? He was the one
to do the art for "Somewhere in Nowhere", but anything after that?
Cheers,
Archontis
>Hi! A while ago (perhaps even more than a year) somebody said on this list
>that Schroeder (I think it was) was going to re-ink the U$ 71
>Barks-script-only story, "King Scrooge the first"....Do anybody know if
>this has been done yet???
Even if I have the Tony Strobl version of that Barks script-only-story, I
too would be very interested in seeing a re-drawn version of higher quality.
Is this Schroeder guy the one who *HAD* re-inked "King Scrooge the First",
but he was later not 100% satisfied with the results and destroyed the
re-inked art? I seem to recall reading something to that effect ~5 years ago
about a German guy. Couldn't Daan Jippes re-ink that story?
Speaking abour Barks script-only-stories, what's the scoop on "Somewhere in
nowhere"? Now that G & M (the infamous "managers") are out of Barks' life,
can we expect to see that story any time soon?
Finally, has Pat Block been doing any Disney work recently? He was the one
to do the art for "Somewhere in Nowhere", but anything after that?
Cheers,
Archontis
Fluks, H.W.
Schroeder, Jippes, Block
Message 143 -
1998-05-13 at 14:32:12
Archontis:
Geir wrote:
>> Hi! A while ago (perhaps even more than a year) somebody said on this list
>> that Schroeder (I think it was) was going to re-ink the U$ 71
>> Barks-script-only story, "King Scrooge the first"....Do anybody know if
>> this has been done yet???
>
>Is this Schroeder guy the one who *HAD* re-inked "King Scrooge the First",
>but he was later not 100% satisfied with the results and destroyed the
>re-inked art? I seem to recall reading something to that effect ~5 years ago
>about a German guy.
Yes, that German guy was Ulrich Schroeder. He did redraw (not only
re-ink) a few pages of "KStF", but not all. Gladstone once reported that
he destroyed his art because he was not satisfied with it. The fire that
Luca is talking about seems much more likely.
>Couldn't Daan Jippes re-ink that story?
I wish Jippes would finish redrawing the JW stories... Jippes is (and
always has been) very slow.
>Finally, has Pat Block been doing any Disney work recently?
Pat and Shelly Block have *written* a lot of stories for Egmont in
Denmark.
--Harry.
Geir wrote:
>> Hi! A while ago (perhaps even more than a year) somebody said on this list
>> that Schroeder (I think it was) was going to re-ink the U$ 71
>> Barks-script-only story, "King Scrooge the first"....Do anybody know if
>> this has been done yet???
>
>Is this Schroeder guy the one who *HAD* re-inked "King Scrooge the First",
>but he was later not 100% satisfied with the results and destroyed the
>re-inked art? I seem to recall reading something to that effect ~5 years ago
>about a German guy.
Yes, that German guy was Ulrich Schroeder. He did redraw (not only
re-ink) a few pages of "KStF", but not all. Gladstone once reported that
he destroyed his art because he was not satisfied with it. The fire that
Luca is talking about seems much more likely.
>Couldn't Daan Jippes re-ink that story?
I wish Jippes would finish redrawing the JW stories... Jippes is (and
always has been) very slow.
>Finally, has Pat Block been doing any Disney work recently?
Pat and Shelly Block have *written* a lot of stories for Egmont in
Denmark.
--Harry.
Marquetta Pisarcik
Obtaining old Disney comics
Message 144 -
1998-05-13 at 18:13:23
To anyone who is striving to complete their Disney comic collections:
I have found a wonderful place to get those hard to find back issues of
Gladstone and Disney comics---and at a _very_ affordable price! I have
a place near Clarion, PA that has nearly every issue of Gladstone since
they started back in 85/86. I even obtained a copy USA 1 and other
stories like "In old California" and "The Trail of the Unicorn" and the
"Prize of Pizarro" etc...--all for only from cover price up to the grand
price of $2! Great prices and EXCELLENT comics to choose from. I even
found a copy of US 219 (Son of the Sun---Rosa's FIRST!) for only
$9!!!---and the guy has about a dozen or so more! I love it when I find
a place that's full of gems like this---it's almost like going along
with the ducks on one of their adventures.
If anyone is interested in finding back issues, they can contact "Comic
Books 101" at: 814-227-2544 or 814-676-8379. Their addresses are: 15
S. 6th Street, Clarion, PA 16214 or 1 East First Street, Oil City, PA
16301. This is a great source for all those hard to find, out of stock
comic that even Gladstone is out of! If anyone has any questions,
e-mail me at my private address: (Email removed)
Marquetta Pisarcik
______________________________________________________
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I have found a wonderful place to get those hard to find back issues of
Gladstone and Disney comics---and at a _very_ affordable price! I have
a place near Clarion, PA that has nearly every issue of Gladstone since
they started back in 85/86. I even obtained a copy USA 1 and other
stories like "In old California" and "The Trail of the Unicorn" and the
"Prize of Pizarro" etc...--all for only from cover price up to the grand
price of $2! Great prices and EXCELLENT comics to choose from. I even
found a copy of US 219 (Son of the Sun---Rosa's FIRST!) for only
$9!!!---and the guy has about a dozen or so more! I love it when I find
a place that's full of gems like this---it's almost like going along
with the ducks on one of their adventures.
If anyone is interested in finding back issues, they can contact "Comic
Books 101" at: 814-227-2544 or 814-676-8379. Their addresses are: 15
S. 6th Street, Clarion, PA 16214 or 1 East First Street, Oil City, PA
16301. This is a great source for all those hard to find, out of stock
comic that even Gladstone is out of! If anyone has any questions,
e-mail me at my private address: (Email removed)
Marquetta Pisarcik
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Cebarat
Digest V98 #120-122
Message 145 -
1998-05-13 at 18:34:36
Sorry that I neglected to include my comment on the following quote last
time...
(FRANCOIS WILLOT)
<<When "A Cold Bargain" was reprinted in Picsou, the editors said in an
article that the Chief of the Brutopian was either Krouchtchef (I'm not
sure of the spelling) or Carl Buettner. The latter is not impossible, if
you look at a photograph of Buettner in "Carl Barks and the Art of the
Comic Book" by Michael Barrier, but I doubt it. Is there something about
that in an American (comic-)book?>>
I always assumed that the Brutopian guy was a dogface version of Nikita
Khrushchev, if only because the guy has the MANNER of K. as well as his
looks.
(JUSSI MANTERE)
<<I must say that after following this discussion for quite a while now,
there's one point I quite can't understand: WHY? Why do American people
WANT to read more and more European stories?>>
There are more tales that can be told in the Ducks' universe, and the European
market is the largest producer of said tales. 'Nuff said.
<<I admit, there are _some_
good artists with stories to match the works of their American colleagues,
but in general, I think, and apologize to all whose opinion I might hurt,
that most European Disney comics are plain rubbish.>>
They must be doing something right, judging by the popularity of Disney comics
in Europe! Barks alone couldn't have built a market of that size.
The "assembly-line" nature of some of the less-inspired European works can be
diluted by imaginative translations, as those of us who enjoyed the works of
Geoffrey Blum during Gladstone I are well aware.
Chris Barat
(Email removed)
time...
(FRANCOIS WILLOT)
<<When "A Cold Bargain" was reprinted in Picsou, the editors said in an
article that the Chief of the Brutopian was either Krouchtchef (I'm not
sure of the spelling) or Carl Buettner. The latter is not impossible, if
you look at a photograph of Buettner in "Carl Barks and the Art of the
Comic Book" by Michael Barrier, but I doubt it. Is there something about
that in an American (comic-)book?>>
I always assumed that the Brutopian guy was a dogface version of Nikita
Khrushchev, if only because the guy has the MANNER of K. as well as his
looks.
(JUSSI MANTERE)
<<I must say that after following this discussion for quite a while now,
there's one point I quite can't understand: WHY? Why do American people
WANT to read more and more European stories?>>
There are more tales that can be told in the Ducks' universe, and the European
market is the largest producer of said tales. 'Nuff said.
<<I admit, there are _some_
good artists with stories to match the works of their American colleagues,
but in general, I think, and apologize to all whose opinion I might hurt,
that most European Disney comics are plain rubbish.>>
They must be doing something right, judging by the popularity of Disney comics
in Europe! Barks alone couldn't have built a market of that size.
The "assembly-line" nature of some of the less-inspired European works can be
diluted by imaginative translations, as those of us who enjoyed the works of
Geoffrey Blum during Gladstone I are well aware.
Chris Barat
(Email removed)
Luna Storta
Expocartoon
Message 146 -
1998-05-13 at 19:09:24
Hello everybody,
Will someone of you be at the next Expocartoon convention in Rome? (It's
starting tomorrow!)
If yes, I'd like to meet him, contact me in private e-mail!
Ciao,
- Paolo
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Will someone of you be at the next Expocartoon convention in Rome? (It's
starting tomorrow!)
If yes, I'd like to meet him, contact me in private e-mail!
Ciao,
- Paolo
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Luna Storta
Jussi, Francois and Merlin
Message 147 -
1998-05-14 at 12:55:57
Hello,
JUSSI:
>those horrible Italian duck-versions of old movie-
>or literature classics,
..de gustibus non dispoutandum est!
But some of these stories are little masterpieces, and not only for the
art, but mainly for the plot that places the Disney characters that we
all are used to know in total new situations, with a re-interpretation
of their personality without changing them.
--------
FRANCOIS:
Thanks for your appreciation of my TL index, but it still needs some
improvements, too bad we don't have any sure news for the brazilian
production, that is greatly present in some TL years.
>I'm not sure about the exact translation of "Paolino"
Paolino stands for Donald, like Paperino stands for Duck, but his first
name is not used anymore, and he is just Paperino.
--------
MERLIN HAAS (about Gottfredson-Murry):
>A couple points here. First, the correct spelling is
>M-U-R-R-Y. Second, comparing Paul Murry to Floyd
>Goffredson is not fair.
A couple points here. First, the correct spelling is
G-O-T-T-F-R-E-D-S-O-N.... ;-))
Then, even Gottfredson drew stories written by others: Osborne, de
Maris, Walsh. What I meant to say wasn't a criticism to Murry's drawing
style, but to his vision of Mickey and to his style to draw him
(sometimes I like Murry's Goofy): Gottfredson and Walsh made of Mickey a
real man, older, more tired, and more politically involved that the
Mickey from Ted Osborne (the mouse from de Maris is yet another kind of
Mickey, and deserves another kind of interpretation).
Starting from sucha character, Murry didn't allowwed him to complete his
maturation, giving him a less interesting personality. Maybe it's not
Murry's fault, since he didn't wrote the stories he drew, but to me it's
the Murry's Mickey what ruined Mickey's image in the States.
Hey, obviously it's just IMHO!
BTW yesterday I bought "I Maestri Disney #9 featuring Paul Murry, with 2
unpublished stories by him (and some editorials from Alberto Becattini
and Luca Boschi)!
Ciao,
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
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--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #123
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JUSSI:
>those horrible Italian duck-versions of old movie-
>or literature classics,
..de gustibus non dispoutandum est!
But some of these stories are little masterpieces, and not only for the
art, but mainly for the plot that places the Disney characters that we
all are used to know in total new situations, with a re-interpretation
of their personality without changing them.
--------
FRANCOIS:
Thanks for your appreciation of my TL index, but it still needs some
improvements, too bad we don't have any sure news for the brazilian
production, that is greatly present in some TL years.
>I'm not sure about the exact translation of "Paolino"
Paolino stands for Donald, like Paperino stands for Duck, but his first
name is not used anymore, and he is just Paperino.
--------
MERLIN HAAS (about Gottfredson-Murry):
>A couple points here. First, the correct spelling is
>M-U-R-R-Y. Second, comparing Paul Murry to Floyd
>Goffredson is not fair.
A couple points here. First, the correct spelling is
G-O-T-T-F-R-E-D-S-O-N.... ;-))
Then, even Gottfredson drew stories written by others: Osborne, de
Maris, Walsh. What I meant to say wasn't a criticism to Murry's drawing
style, but to his vision of Mickey and to his style to draw him
(sometimes I like Murry's Goofy): Gottfredson and Walsh made of Mickey a
real man, older, more tired, and more politically involved that the
Mickey from Ted Osborne (the mouse from de Maris is yet another kind of
Mickey, and deserves another kind of interpretation).
Starting from sucha character, Murry didn't allowwed him to complete his
maturation, giving him a less interesting personality. Maybe it's not
Murry's fault, since he didn't wrote the stories he drew, but to me it's
the Murry's Mickey what ruined Mickey's image in the States.
Hey, obviously it's just IMHO!
BTW yesterday I bought "I Maestri Disney #9 featuring Paul Murry, with 2
unpublished stories by him (and some editorials from Alberto Becattini
and Luca Boschi)!
Ciao,
- Paolo
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Jussi Mantere
Jussi, Francois and Merlin
Message 148 -
1998-05-14 at 13:17:25
On Thu, 14 May 1998, Luna Storta wrote:
> JUSSI:
> >those horrible Italian duck-versions of old movie-
> >or literature classics,
> But some of these stories are little masterpieces, and not only for the
> art, but mainly for the plot that places the Disney characters that we
> all are used to know in total new situations, with a re-interpretation
> of their personality without changing them.
Well, I must say I agree to some point. I even enjoy reading them
(especially in times like these with 500 hundred pages of programming
languages to read for tomorrow's exam :), but what I _don't_ like is the
way they neglect some (important?) Barksian facts... Maybe I'm just too
narrow-minded here ;)
But, to defend all these Italian stories, I like Scarpa's Mickey-work
quite a lot... I just found an album here in Finland titled "The best of
Romano Scarpa"... Might buy it. Also some of the older duck stories (early
80's?) were better than today's ones... In my opinion. And one man's
opinion is just one man's opinion.
And btw, to all those who criticised to me that Rosa, Van Horn etc are
also "European stories": well, I knew this, and maybe chose my words
mistakingly. What I meant by European (and understood by European), was
these aforementioned Italian etc. stories. I wasn't quite aware of the
situation in USA, thanks for the corrections!
-jussi
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"The real battle's just begun to claim the victory Jesus won" -u2
> JUSSI:
> >those horrible Italian duck-versions of old movie-
> >or literature classics,
> But some of these stories are little masterpieces, and not only for the
> art, but mainly for the plot that places the Disney characters that we
> all are used to know in total new situations, with a re-interpretation
> of their personality without changing them.
Well, I must say I agree to some point. I even enjoy reading them
(especially in times like these with 500 hundred pages of programming
languages to read for tomorrow's exam :), but what I _don't_ like is the
way they neglect some (important?) Barksian facts... Maybe I'm just too
narrow-minded here ;)
But, to defend all these Italian stories, I like Scarpa's Mickey-work
quite a lot... I just found an album here in Finland titled "The best of
Romano Scarpa"... Might buy it. Also some of the older duck stories (early
80's?) were better than today's ones... In my opinion. And one man's
opinion is just one man's opinion.
And btw, to all those who criticised to me that Rosa, Van Horn etc are
also "European stories": well, I knew this, and maybe chose my words
mistakingly. What I meant by European (and understood by European), was
these aforementioned Italian etc. stories. I wasn't quite aware of the
situation in USA, thanks for the corrections!
-jussi
--
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"The real battle's just begun to claim the victory Jesus won" -u2
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V98 #123
Message 149 -
1998-05-14 at 13:47:00
HARRY:
>Pat and Shelly Block have *written* a lot of stories for Egmont in
>Denmark.
And drawn one too, recently (it'll probably be published next
year). But yes, the two are mainly writers most of the time, now.
LUNA:
>Paolino stands for Donald, like Paperino stands for Duck, but his first
>name is not used anymore, and he is just Paperino.
Well, I've seen "Paolino Paperino" on Donald's mailbox in some
recent Italian comics (including at least one translated Egmont story, I
think). So the full version of the name is used *once* in a while.
In some countries, in a similar vein, Bugs Bunny has been called
just "Bunny," missing out on his first name. "It's di-a-bo-lickle
sabota-gee, Doc! Somethin' don't add up!"
PAOLO:
>BTW yesterday I bought "I Maestri Disney #9 featuring Paul Murry, with
2
>unpublished stories by him (and some editorials from Alberto Becattini
>and Luca Boschi)!
By "unpublished" stories do you mean that they had never been
published in Italy before... or that they'd never been PUBLISHED before
- period? Have some formerly UNKNOWN Murry-drawn stories been
discovered?
I've noticed a few early S-coded (or X-coded) stories with
Murry's art, but they're printed codeless in Australian comics. Maybe
Alberto has a list of some of them?
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
>Pat and Shelly Block have *written* a lot of stories for Egmont in
>Denmark.
And drawn one too, recently (it'll probably be published next
year). But yes, the two are mainly writers most of the time, now.
LUNA:
>Paolino stands for Donald, like Paperino stands for Duck, but his first
>name is not used anymore, and he is just Paperino.
Well, I've seen "Paolino Paperino" on Donald's mailbox in some
recent Italian comics (including at least one translated Egmont story, I
think). So the full version of the name is used *once* in a while.
In some countries, in a similar vein, Bugs Bunny has been called
just "Bunny," missing out on his first name. "It's di-a-bo-lickle
sabota-gee, Doc! Somethin' don't add up!"
PAOLO:
>BTW yesterday I bought "I Maestri Disney #9 featuring Paul Murry, with
2
>unpublished stories by him (and some editorials from Alberto Becattini
>and Luca Boschi)!
By "unpublished" stories do you mean that they had never been
published in Italy before... or that they'd never been PUBLISHED before
- period? Have some formerly UNKNOWN Murry-drawn stories been
discovered?
I've noticed a few early S-coded (or X-coded) stories with
Murry's art, but they're printed codeless in Australian comics. Maybe
Alberto has a list of some of them?
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
JTorci3511
Disney comics Digest V98 #123 (Paul Murry)
Message 150 -
1998-05-14 at 15:40:08
In a message dated 98-05-14 05:58:18 EDT, "Luna Storta" writes:
LUNA STORTA:
<< "Maybe it's not Murry's fault, since he didn't wrote the stories he drew,
but to me it's
the Murry's Mickey what ruined Mickey's image in the States. Hey, obviously
it's just IMHO!" >>
Oh, yeah! I'd say it's just your "Humble Opinion". all right! Excuse me?
PAUL MURRY? RUINED MICKEY'S IMAGE IN THE STATES? Are you even FROM "the
States", that you could make such a claim?
Me, I'll never presume to comment on what makes the worldwide Disney comics so
much more popular than their North American counterparts! Why? Because I've
seen relatively few "foreign" (to me) Disney comics - and certainly have not
"grown up" within the cultures which produce and consume them!
I read my first Paul Murry MM comic in 1959: "The Secret of the Swamp" (MM #
66), it was enough to spark a lifelong admiration for the man's work, through
his last story published in 1984 - and well beyond.
Murry's Mickey was "MY" Mickey. The one I avidly read about throughout the
sixties and into the early seventies. A daring detective, with both feet
firmly planted on the ground (in almost direct contract to the naive Goofy,
the "dreamer" Donald, and Scrooge; who was defined by his wealth). Unlike
Donald, Murry's Mickey even had more of a proper "adult/child" relationship
with his nephews!
I've often remarked to Egmont's David Gerstein (who professes a distinct
preference for the "boyish" Mickey of Gottfredson's thirties period) that "MY"
Mickey (Murry) is "HIS" Mickey as an adult. "His" Mickey is "under 20". "My"
Mickey is about 30-35. In short, Murry and his writers matured the Mouse into
a worthy comics character. And basically kept the adventurous Mickey (...
perhaps ANY type of Mickey) alive during a time in which hardly any other
American talents did so!
Remember, during the period in question, there was NO Gottfredson of any kind
to compare with! Murry, quite simply, was "The Man", when it came to the
Mouse!
Paul Murry was also the most remarkably consistant artist Western Publishing
(Dell/ Gold Key/Whitman) even had. When the artistic standards of their
comics slipped dramatically in 1969 (and never recovered), Paul Murry
delivered quality to the last. Sure his line slipped a little since the
1950s, but he was more than head and shoulders above any of his contemporaries
of the seventies and eighties!
I'd say (...in MY "HO"), that if anything "...ruined Mickey's image in the
States", it was his seeming endless portaryal as the "insipid bandleader"
hosting the Mickey Mouse Club repeats throughout the fifties and sixties.
That and, of course, the Walt Disney Company's (...oh, excuse me... "Disney
Enterprises, Inc. - Walt apparently has nothing to with this puppy, even in
name, it seems) obsessive "protective policies" toward the character that
should be its greatest adventure hero!
Thanks for reading,
Joe Torcivia (...also weary of Gladstone's re-re-reprints!)
LUNA STORTA:
<< "Maybe it's not Murry's fault, since he didn't wrote the stories he drew,
but to me it's
the Murry's Mickey what ruined Mickey's image in the States. Hey, obviously
it's just IMHO!" >>
Oh, yeah! I'd say it's just your "Humble Opinion". all right! Excuse me?
PAUL MURRY? RUINED MICKEY'S IMAGE IN THE STATES? Are you even FROM "the
States", that you could make such a claim?
Me, I'll never presume to comment on what makes the worldwide Disney comics so
much more popular than their North American counterparts! Why? Because I've
seen relatively few "foreign" (to me) Disney comics - and certainly have not
"grown up" within the cultures which produce and consume them!
I read my first Paul Murry MM comic in 1959: "The Secret of the Swamp" (MM #
66), it was enough to spark a lifelong admiration for the man's work, through
his last story published in 1984 - and well beyond.
Murry's Mickey was "MY" Mickey. The one I avidly read about throughout the
sixties and into the early seventies. A daring detective, with both feet
firmly planted on the ground (in almost direct contract to the naive Goofy,
the "dreamer" Donald, and Scrooge; who was defined by his wealth). Unlike
Donald, Murry's Mickey even had more of a proper "adult/child" relationship
with his nephews!
I've often remarked to Egmont's David Gerstein (who professes a distinct
preference for the "boyish" Mickey of Gottfredson's thirties period) that "MY"
Mickey (Murry) is "HIS" Mickey as an adult. "His" Mickey is "under 20". "My"
Mickey is about 30-35. In short, Murry and his writers matured the Mouse into
a worthy comics character. And basically kept the adventurous Mickey (...
perhaps ANY type of Mickey) alive during a time in which hardly any other
American talents did so!
Remember, during the period in question, there was NO Gottfredson of any kind
to compare with! Murry, quite simply, was "The Man", when it came to the
Mouse!
Paul Murry was also the most remarkably consistant artist Western Publishing
(Dell/ Gold Key/Whitman) even had. When the artistic standards of their
comics slipped dramatically in 1969 (and never recovered), Paul Murry
delivered quality to the last. Sure his line slipped a little since the
1950s, but he was more than head and shoulders above any of his contemporaries
of the seventies and eighties!
I'd say (...in MY "HO"), that if anything "...ruined Mickey's image in the
States", it was his seeming endless portaryal as the "insipid bandleader"
hosting the Mickey Mouse Club repeats throughout the fifties and sixties.
That and, of course, the Walt Disney Company's (...oh, excuse me... "Disney
Enterprises, Inc. - Walt apparently has nothing to with this puppy, even in
name, it seems) obsessive "protective policies" toward the character that
should be its greatest adventure hero!
Thanks for reading,
Joe Torcivia (...also weary of Gladstone's re-re-reprints!)