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>> No chance as long as the computer world does not agree on using the
same
>> character set everywhere. The umlauts you see correctly on your
computer,
>> can look like total garbage on someone else's computer.

>E.g., they'd (literally) look like Greek to me. Umlaut-A would appear
as a
>delta, and umlaut-O would appear as a phi!

I know.. there are several ways to write these to boot...

Four examples of Umlaut-O:

=D6
Ö
=D6
=B6

.. and how it comes out in the end depends on the recipients computer...

what E-mail-program he/she's using... And what e-mail-program the=20
sender is using... :-(

In another list.. they solved by starting their own special way...

They wrote "O=3D" for Umlaut-O, "U=3D" for Umlaut-U,=20
A#" for A-ring (Swedish character) and "O_" for=20
O-slash (Norwegian and Danish Character)

Maybe you could write them in ISO/WWW-coded... like:=20

Ö, Ü, Å and Ø for the above mentioned=20
characters...

A third way is to constantly write somewhat phonetically...=20
like "OE" for a Swedish O-umlaut. =20

Well.. what do you all say?

It's important in some instances,=20
especially when it comes to names...
In Sweden, Denmark and Norway, the=20
O-umlaut, and O-slash for example=20
are their own completely stand-alone=20
characters with their own place in the
alphabet, not just an "O" with an=20
addition.

They are ordered after "Z" in the Swedish alphabet.
Like this:=20
... S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z, A-ring, A-umlaut, O-umlaut.

Yours:

Steamboat Willie

I've uploaded the first two pages (in English) about religion in Duckburg:
Introduction and Spirits&ghosts, and the last page in Norwegian
(the Norwegian pages are *not* completed; I get new information
all the time...)
The Norwegian introduction is at:
http://home.sol.no/~vidasven/disney-comics/innledning.htm

The English introduction is at:
http://home.sol.no/~vidasven/disney-comics/intro.htm

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And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers

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Bror wrote:

>I know.. there are several ways to write these to boot...
>Well.. what do you all say?

Well, as a Finn, I think the best way of writing would be the shortest
one. Finnish words are often terribly long and full of umlauts (such as
"syyttaemaettaejaettaemispaeaetoes"!) and, well, if you try to replace
every single umlaut with something like "Ö" the words will become
almost impossible to understand.

So I'd say the "best" way would be either without any umlauts
("smorgasbord") or with "OE"s and "AE"s ("finnjaeveln")

Juha

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I thought you might be interested in a translation into English of
the greek translation of Don's article, accompanying the printing
of W.H.A.D... (Any similarities to the original are completely
accidental!) Comments in square brackets are mine.

Needless to say, this article is full of ***SPOILERS***.

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DON ROSA WRITES TO KOMIX ABOUT W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.

We asked the famous artist to comment on his story, in which the Junior
Woodchucks, Huey, Louie, and Dewey obtain their first merit badges. As
in the past, Don Rosa honored us by replying to our request by revealing
some of his ingenious creative secrets.

TO BEGIN WITH, I WOULD LIKE to thank you for the opportunity that you
offer me to communicate again with the greek readers of my stories. My
story is titled W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N., and I really pity
your translator, who had to render all the titles in my story in your
language! [The "what for, anyway", title was rendered as "why so many
titles", spoiling the gag in page 15, but making the translator's
frustration clearly evident!]

I CREATED THIS ADVENTURE in 1997, for the sixtieth birthday of Donald's
three nephews. The three nephews arrived at their uncle's doorstep on
October 17, 1937, not through a cartoon or a comic book, but through
the newspaper strips drawn by *Al Taliaferro* on a script by *Ted
Osborne*. Wanting to honor these two great creators, I drew them in the
fifth page of my story as founding members of the Junior Woodchucks
organization! Any reader who wants to figure out which one is which,
has only to look at the merit badges on their chests: on Osborne's
merit badge there is a typewriter, while on Taliaferro's there is the
pencil and pen of every good artist! I know, of course, that there is
no reason to ask from you at _Komix_ to watch for something like this,
taking your reliability as a given. However, I would not want you to be
one of the two magazines in the entire world, whose translators changed
the names of Osborne and Taliaferro!

I ALWAYS WANTED TO CREATE a story where Huey, Louie, and Dewey would
look for their parents. However, as such a story, by necessity, could
not have a satisfactory or happy ending, I abandoned the idea and chose
to show how the three nephews ended up becoming Junior Woodchucks. I
believe with all my heart that one day I'll come up with a truly great
scenario for my original idea... I only hope that this happens before
the nephews' 75th anniversary!

BACK TO MY STORY then, whose main plot takes place in the past, a bit
after the day on which the nephews arrive at Donald's home. However,
as I couldn't avoid their already having met uncle Scrooge in the plot,
my story should probably be placed somewhat after the final chapter of
the _Life and Times_!

THOSE OF YOUR READERS who like to spot minute details, may notice that
I have drawn the three nephews slightly younger in those panels where
Donald reminisces about the past, and that, compared to their bodies,
their heads are slightly larger than usual. Also note the difference in
the furnitures and the surroundings of Donald's house: The armchair,
on which he is sitting at the biginning and the end of the story, has
a patch due to having been used for a long time, and that the floor on
the fourth panel of the last page has been covered on the point where the
bowling ball fell that morning. The same thing happened to the bushes in
the garden of the house. It is logical that they have grown in height
after all these years. The passage of time is also the explanation why
Donald is reading a later volume of Tex McSixgun in the first panel of
the story than in the fifth panel.

AS ALWAYS, I MAKE REFERENCES to older stories, for the amusement of
initiated readers! Carl Barks mentioned that Fort Duckburg used to be in
the place where uncle SCrooge built his money bin in *The Money Well*
(_Komix #94) and that Cornelius Coot was the founder of Duckburg. I
have merely shown, in my story _His Majesty McDuck_, how and when
Cornelius moved to the Fort, while in *Raiders of the Lost Library*
(_Komix_ #114), I've shown that the person who founded the Junior
Woodchucks Organization, to which he donated that mysterious book,
which is the source of their entire knowledge, was none other than the
son of Duckburg's founder. Finally, in the story _Last Sled to Dawson_,
I have shown how Scrooge bought the land and the fort, while in the
*10th Chapter* of *The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck* (_Komix_
#109), I've shown, for the first time, Scrooge arriving in the area
and settling on Kilemule hill. In addition, this is where he meets
the Junior Woodchucks for the first time, who are the, now adults,
Woodchucks in W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N! As for the puppy in the
story, it is obvious that he is Major Snozzie, the official Woodchuck
Hound, as shown by Barks in his stories. Many facts and references,
don't you think? However, as I happen to love my job, I believe that
these references are extremely amusing and that the readers appreciate
the effort I make to have my stories move in multiple levels.

MORE HIDDEN DETAILS? Note that the tails on the Junior Woodchuck hats
that the nephews wear in the beginning on the story are in the top part,
while, when they had first joined the Organization, they were hanging
at the back of their hats! This is because, according to Barks, they
earned this title (Grand Exhalted Hightails) during their service, and,
of course, my story takes place before this event. However... wak! In
the fifteenth page, in the sixth panel, I drew by mistake their hat
tails higher that I should have! Please forget this!

YOU WANT MORE? I'll finish by revealing that the character getting out
of the McDuck Publishing bookstore [and where, in the Greek edition,
one of the generic "comics" magazines is turned into Komix, and where
Komix have added a growl to Major Snozzie's angry reaction to Mickey
Mouse's picture!] is none other than my editor, Byron Erickson. All
right, I may have put a dog nose on him, but I thought it would be nice
to make a reference to him, as well, as he's been publishing my stories
in America from 1987 till today. Thus, if you like my work, I'd like
you to know that a large part of it is due to him!

(signed) Don Rosa.

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Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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> The first two volumes of these hard-covered books are already out here
in
> Norway. Volume one contains all issues of 1948 and 1949, while volume
two
> contains all 12 issues from 1950. Combining 1948 and 1949 was rather
> necessary I guess, since the first issue of the magazine appeared in
> December 1948.

How large are they. Someone suggested issuing the Swedish edition
in 6 issues per book to get a lower price and a smaller book.

Steamboat Willie

At 09:57 30.11.98 +0100, Bror Hellman wrote:
>> The first two volumes of these hard-covered books are already out here
>in
>> Norway. Volume one contains all issues of 1948 and 1949, while volume
>two
>> contains all 12 issues from 1950. Combining 1948 and 1949 was rather
>> necessary I guess, since the first issue of the magazine appeared in
>> December 1948.
>
>
>How large are they. Someone suggested issuing the Swedish edition
>in 6 issues per book to get a lower price and a smaller book.
>
>
>
> Steamboat Willie
>

Hm! You are maybe asking more than I can answer here. I bought volume one
some months ago, but I haven't got it right here. It contains 13 issues,
i.e. the one from 1948 and all 12 issues from 1949. Volume two is out in
the stores right now. It contains the 12 issues from 1950. Actually the
series is called "De komplette aargangene" (The complete annual volumes),
so it will be 12 issues pr book up to 1956 or something. But if you are
asking for the number of pages.. well I don't know. There is an article at
the beginning of the book, and of course all front pages are included (a
lot of Walt Kelly in other words).

Halsten

Thanks to Kriton for posting that translation of my text in the edition of
KOMIX that prints my "WHADALOTTAJARGON" story. But now that he's done that,
I need to pop in here to mention that what Kriton has done (and I'm sure
done well) is translate a translation, so what he has ended up with is,
naturally, not what I wrote, word for word. But this means that some
meanings or intentions have been slightly changed -- never anything drastic
but... well, I just needed to say that the English text he posted was not my
original text, though it said pretty much the same thing...... *except*:

>Don Rosa honored us by replying to our request by revealing
>some of his ingenious creative secrets.

Whooaa. Back off!

>The armchair,
>on which he is sitting at the biginning and the end of the story, has
>a patch due to having been used for a long time, and that the floor on
>the fourth panel of the last page has been covered on the point where the
>bowling ball fell that morning.

BOING! What? That morning?!?! It was years earlier!!! I guess the
implication of the time frame is not the same in
Greek as it is in English.
And I think I referred to the faded colors of the chair,
not the patch. Did they not color it correctly?

>The same thing happened to the bushes in
>the garden of the house. It is logical that they have grown in height
>after all these years.

Yes, now they seem to understand it correctly.

>story, it is obvious that he is Major Snozzie, the official Woodchuck
>Hound, as shown by Barks in his stories

That should say "GENERAL Snozzie".

>However, as I happen to love my job, I believe that
>these references are extremely amusing and that the readers appreciate
>the effort I make to have my stories move in multiple levels.

This is not how I would have phrased this. I never insist that what I do is
amusing or that readers like it. I'm sure they left out some "I hope"s here.

>[and where
>Komix have added a growl to Major Snozzie's angry reaction to Mickey
>Mouse's picture!]

No, that growl is in my original script. Wouldn't you expect that?

>is none other than my editor, Byron Erickson. All
>right, I may have put a dog nose on him, but I thought it would be nice
>to make a reference to him, as well, as he's been publishing my stories
>in America from 1987 till today.

That's what it says? Implying that Byron is still working for Gladstone?
Poor Byron! Or is it
purposely misleading the readers to make them think these stories are
originating from America rather than from Denmark?