Hi every one here on the list!
I'm writing a school assignment on Donald Duck, Disney,
Barks and that catagory. If anyone here thinks they can help me with
some rare information or anything I would be very gratefull to get
it, thanks in forward from a barksist!
Greeting Rasmus Pallesen.
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Rasmus Pallesen
School assigment!!!!- HELP!!!
Message 31 -
1999-04-07 at 22:01:45
Gpantzer
Looking for PICSOU issues
Message 32 -
1999-04-08 at 04:43:14
If anyone can help me attain some PICSOU issues, please contact me
via e-mail. Thank you.
Gary Pantzer
via e-mail. Thank you.
Gary Pantzer
Per Starback
Neighbor Jones
Message 33 -
1999-04-09 at 02:11:16
Donald has a neighbor Jones with which he often fights.
There is some information on him at
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/chars/jones.html>.
There it says that he was created by Barks and debuted in WDC 34.
But is that the whole truth?
The first Barks stories with Jones are:
* WDC 34 (February 1943)
* WDC 38 (June 1943)
* WDC 48 (April 1944)
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+WDC+34-%3f1>
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+WDC+38-02>
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+WDC+48-02>
(The dates are when Barks did the stories - not when they were published.=
)
In the first one ("Good Deeds") we only get to see him once, and then
his face is partially obscured by a newspaper. We learn that Donald
and Jones are always fighting, and that seems to have been going on
for a long time. In the next one ("Good Neighbors") Jones is instead
one of the main players. He looks different than in WDC 34 though.
In the first story his ears were all black, but now they aren't. Also
I think he is bigger now, and his teeth and neck are different too.
He keeps this later look in WDC 48 and onwards.
Now, there is a neighbor Jones also in some newspaper comics with
Donald. I haven't seen all of these comics but there are references
to Jones in the titles or comments in the Inducks of at least:
August 25, 1940:
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+40-08-25>
1942: "Donald fertilizes Jones' yard"
January 17, 1943: "Donald sends shovel to Jones in Florida"
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+43-01-17>
April 24, 1947: "arrows in Neighbor Jones' hat"
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-04-24>
July 13, 1947: "Jones wins photo contest"
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-07-13>
1951: "Sliding down Jones's Hill"
Also without any dates a strip described as "no guns outside Jones'
glass house" published in
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/publ?dk-AA97-42>.
Of these, the ones earlier than WDC 34 are the most interesting.
August 25, 1940 we see Donald trying to borrow a water hose from his
neighbor, but the neighbor instead wants to get a lot of other stuff
back. He and Donald are not on very friendly terms with each other.
Jones is rounder than Barks's Jones, and has almost no hair.
Also he hasn't the protruding lower jaw that Barks's Jones has.
On January 17, 1943, Jones is vacationing in Florida and has a little
more hair, but still not much.
So, the Donald newspaper comics had a recurring character by the name
of Jones which was a neighbor of Donald. When Barks first used a
neighbor Jones it seemed like he and Donald had been fighting for a
long time already. (Referring to past history is not something Barks
has done otherwise when introducing new characters, I think.)
So it seems possible to me that Jones is a character more like
Grandma; that is a character that already existed in the newspaper
comics and that Barks took up and used in his comics.
So what about his appearance? It differs a lot. An interesting thing
is that in WDC 34 it's almost as if Barks avoids to show Jones to us!
When Jones delivers a line he is off-panel and only his word balloon
is seen. Even though he takes part in the action for two pages we only
see him in a single panel, and then his face is mostly obscured!
Could it be that Barks remembered the Jones character in the
newspapers, but couldn't find a picture of him when doing WDC 34?
=C0nd then when he later reused the character he decided to ignore
that and redo him as he wanted him instead? Of course I'm only
speculating.
Another case in point is that when Hannah drew Jones in
"Donald Ducks Big Blow-out" in 1947 it is said (I haven't seen that)
that he "draws him as Barks did, but strangely eliminates his hair".
(Story link <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+OS+147-0=
4>.)
Maybe that's simply because Hannah used a look more like Taliaferro's.
I don't know.
All of this only boils down to "is Jones and Jones the same character
or different characters with the same name?". I don't know how much
sense that question actually makes, though.
--=20
Per Starback <(Email removed)> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.ht=
ml>
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
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There is some information on him at
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/chars/jones.html>.
There it says that he was created by Barks and debuted in WDC 34.
But is that the whole truth?
The first Barks stories with Jones are:
* WDC 34 (February 1943)
* WDC 38 (June 1943)
* WDC 48 (April 1944)
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+WDC+34-%3f1>
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+WDC+38-02>
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+WDC+48-02>
(The dates are when Barks did the stories - not when they were published.=
)
In the first one ("Good Deeds") we only get to see him once, and then
his face is partially obscured by a newspaper. We learn that Donald
and Jones are always fighting, and that seems to have been going on
for a long time. In the next one ("Good Neighbors") Jones is instead
one of the main players. He looks different than in WDC 34 though.
In the first story his ears were all black, but now they aren't. Also
I think he is bigger now, and his teeth and neck are different too.
He keeps this later look in WDC 48 and onwards.
Now, there is a neighbor Jones also in some newspaper comics with
Donald. I haven't seen all of these comics but there are references
to Jones in the titles or comments in the Inducks of at least:
August 25, 1940:
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+40-08-25>
1942: "Donald fertilizes Jones' yard"
January 17, 1943: "Donald sends shovel to Jones in Florida"
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+43-01-17>
April 24, 1947: "arrows in Neighbor Jones' hat"
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-04-24>
July 13, 1947: "Jones wins photo contest"
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-07-13>
1951: "Sliding down Jones's Hill"
Also without any dates a strip described as "no guns outside Jones'
glass house" published in
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/publ?dk-AA97-42>.
Of these, the ones earlier than WDC 34 are the most interesting.
August 25, 1940 we see Donald trying to borrow a water hose from his
neighbor, but the neighbor instead wants to get a lot of other stuff
back. He and Donald are not on very friendly terms with each other.
Jones is rounder than Barks's Jones, and has almost no hair.
Also he hasn't the protruding lower jaw that Barks's Jones has.
On January 17, 1943, Jones is vacationing in Florida and has a little
more hair, but still not much.
So, the Donald newspaper comics had a recurring character by the name
of Jones which was a neighbor of Donald. When Barks first used a
neighbor Jones it seemed like he and Donald had been fighting for a
long time already. (Referring to past history is not something Barks
has done otherwise when introducing new characters, I think.)
So it seems possible to me that Jones is a character more like
Grandma; that is a character that already existed in the newspaper
comics and that Barks took up and used in his comics.
So what about his appearance? It differs a lot. An interesting thing
is that in WDC 34 it's almost as if Barks avoids to show Jones to us!
When Jones delivers a line he is off-panel and only his word balloon
is seen. Even though he takes part in the action for two pages we only
see him in a single panel, and then his face is mostly obscured!
Could it be that Barks remembered the Jones character in the
newspapers, but couldn't find a picture of him when doing WDC 34?
=C0nd then when he later reused the character he decided to ignore
that and redo him as he wanted him instead? Of course I'm only
speculating.
Another case in point is that when Hannah drew Jones in
"Donald Ducks Big Blow-out" in 1947 it is said (I haven't seen that)
that he "draws him as Barks did, but strangely eliminates his hair".
(Story link <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+OS+147-0=
4>.)
Maybe that's simply because Hannah used a look more like Taliaferro's.
I don't know.
All of this only boils down to "is Jones and Jones the same character
or different characters with the same name?". I don't know how much
sense that question actually makes, though.
--=20
Per Starback <(Email removed)> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.ht=
ml>
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
--------------------------------
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Francois Willot
Neighbor Jones' appearances in AT strips (lots of nitpickings)
Message 34 -
1999-04-10 at 01:26:22
Per Starback wrote:
> The first Barks stories with Jones are:
> * WDC 34 (February 1943)
> * WDC 38 (June 1943)
> * WDC 48 (April 1944)
>
> In the first one ("Good Deeds") we only get to see him once
> I think he is bigger now, and his teeth and neck are different too.
> He keeps this later look in WDC 48 and onwards.
Indeed Jones became a consistant character only in WDC 34. I'd not
consider DD's neighbour in WDC 34 as "the" Jones. It's clear however
that Barks was experimenting with the idea of a neighbour for Donald at
this time.
> August 25, 1940: "Donald fertilizes Jones' yard"
> Jones is rounder than Barks's Jones, and has almost no hair.
> Also he hasn't the protruding lower jaw that Barks's Jones has.
Very different than Barks' Jones indeed. In a French reprint they even
gave him a different name than the one Jones usually has ("Le Raleur"
instead of "Lagrogne").
> January 17, 1943: "Donald sends shovel to Jones in Florida"
> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+43-01-17>
There are other strips before that one. One in ZD 41-09-21: a fat
person, a bit like in August 1940, but without the moustaches. Another
in ZD 41-11-30: once again a fat neighbour, who looks more than the one
in August 1940, but still different than the two other.
On 42-10-18, yet another neighbour, who looks a bit different than the
three who appeared before in the previous sundays. However he looks a
lot like the one who is going to appear on the January 17, 1943 sunday.
On 4-4-43, there is a fat neighbour which looks almost exactly like the
one in the 21/9/41 strip. In fact, it is clear here that he is supposed
to be the same character, because Donald is making reference in the
later sunday to the 1941 one by saying "once again those neighbour's
chickens" (Donald has troubles with the chickens of his neighbours in
both strips). I can't tell for sure that it's in the original but I
don't think the French translator would have invented that, when I see
how carrelessly the other strips are translated. We also find the same
character in 3/10/43 strip.
> April 24, 1947: "arrows in Neighbor Jones' hat"
> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-04-24>
There must be a problem here, 4/24/47 is not a sunday, there is a strip
on 4/20 and on 27/4 only.
> July 13, 1947: "Jones wins photo contest"
> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-07-13>
Here we even have new information on Jones' first name. On the original,
it says in the first panel "J. Jones". But there's no proof that this is
Donald's neighbour, and he doesn't look like any other character in the
1940-45 strips. He's just someone walking in Duckburg in the sunday.
Finally there is another one not in your list, in ZD 47-08-31, who looks
a bit like the shovel neighbour.
> 1951: "Sliding down Jones's Hill"
Don't have this one...
As for the dailies, the first mention of "Jones" I can find is in YD
39-06-07, but Jones is not shown in the strip. Then, the first real
appearance I can find is in YD 40-02-21, but here, once again, Donald's
neighbour looks different than all the other I have seen. He is however
a fat neighbour and have some similaraities with the first ones who will
appear later in the sundays. It's difficult to say, when I only have one
panel with his face!
> On January 17, 1943, Jones is vacationing in Florida and has a little
> more hair, but still not much.
>
> So, the Donald newspaper comics had a recurring character by the name
> of Jones which was a neighbor of Donald.
But his "look" is not very consistent. I can only find two different
looks which appeared several times for sure:
- The fat one, without moustaches (21/9/41, 4/4/43, 3/10/43), who has
chickens
- The neigbhor with the shovel (18/10/42, 17/1/43, 31/8/47?)
> When Barks first used a
> neighbor Jones it seemed like he and Donald had been fighting for a
> long time already. (Referring to past history is not something
> Barks has done otherwise when introducing new characters, I think.)
>
> So it seems possible to me that Jones is a character more like
> Grandma; that is a character that already existed in the newspaper
> comics and that Barks took up and used in his comics.
Right! But I think Taliaferro didn't care much about consistency, and he
did create many different neighbours, it needed a long time before he
"adopted" one of them. He also changed the look of his neighbours, when
he changed his style.
However, it's right that Taliaferro often reused his own ideas (there
are several strips where Donald has the same little plane, the same
famous car, the same elephant, the same "carriole", the same ostrich,
the same donkey etc.).
> All of this only boils down to "is Jones and Jones the same character
> or different characters with the same name?". I don't know how much
> sense that question actually makes, though.
I think the fat Taliaferro neighbour with chickens could be considered
the same as Barks' and that Barks was even inspired by this character...
> The first Barks stories with Jones are:
> * WDC 34 (February 1943)
> * WDC 38 (June 1943)
> * WDC 48 (April 1944)
>
> In the first one ("Good Deeds") we only get to see him once
> I think he is bigger now, and his teeth and neck are different too.
> He keeps this later look in WDC 48 and onwards.
Indeed Jones became a consistant character only in WDC 34. I'd not
consider DD's neighbour in WDC 34 as "the" Jones. It's clear however
that Barks was experimenting with the idea of a neighbour for Donald at
this time.
> August 25, 1940: "Donald fertilizes Jones' yard"
> Jones is rounder than Barks's Jones, and has almost no hair.
> Also he hasn't the protruding lower jaw that Barks's Jones has.
Very different than Barks' Jones indeed. In a French reprint they even
gave him a different name than the one Jones usually has ("Le Raleur"
instead of "Lagrogne").
> January 17, 1943: "Donald sends shovel to Jones in Florida"
> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+43-01-17>
There are other strips before that one. One in ZD 41-09-21: a fat
person, a bit like in August 1940, but without the moustaches. Another
in ZD 41-11-30: once again a fat neighbour, who looks more than the one
in August 1940, but still different than the two other.
On 42-10-18, yet another neighbour, who looks a bit different than the
three who appeared before in the previous sundays. However he looks a
lot like the one who is going to appear on the January 17, 1943 sunday.
On 4-4-43, there is a fat neighbour which looks almost exactly like the
one in the 21/9/41 strip. In fact, it is clear here that he is supposed
to be the same character, because Donald is making reference in the
later sunday to the 1941 one by saying "once again those neighbour's
chickens" (Donald has troubles with the chickens of his neighbours in
both strips). I can't tell for sure that it's in the original but I
don't think the French translator would have invented that, when I see
how carrelessly the other strips are translated. We also find the same
character in 3/10/43 strip.
> April 24, 1947: "arrows in Neighbor Jones' hat"
> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-04-24>
There must be a problem here, 4/24/47 is not a sunday, there is a strip
on 4/20 and on 27/4 only.
> July 13, 1947: "Jones wins photo contest"
> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-07-13>
Here we even have new information on Jones' first name. On the original,
it says in the first panel "J. Jones". But there's no proof that this is
Donald's neighbour, and he doesn't look like any other character in the
1940-45 strips. He's just someone walking in Duckburg in the sunday.
Finally there is another one not in your list, in ZD 47-08-31, who looks
a bit like the shovel neighbour.
> 1951: "Sliding down Jones's Hill"
Don't have this one...
As for the dailies, the first mention of "Jones" I can find is in YD
39-06-07, but Jones is not shown in the strip. Then, the first real
appearance I can find is in YD 40-02-21, but here, once again, Donald's
neighbour looks different than all the other I have seen. He is however
a fat neighbour and have some similaraities with the first ones who will
appear later in the sundays. It's difficult to say, when I only have one
panel with his face!
> On January 17, 1943, Jones is vacationing in Florida and has a little
> more hair, but still not much.
>
> So, the Donald newspaper comics had a recurring character by the name
> of Jones which was a neighbor of Donald.
But his "look" is not very consistent. I can only find two different
looks which appeared several times for sure:
- The fat one, without moustaches (21/9/41, 4/4/43, 3/10/43), who has
chickens
- The neigbhor with the shovel (18/10/42, 17/1/43, 31/8/47?)
> When Barks first used a
> neighbor Jones it seemed like he and Donald had been fighting for a
> long time already. (Referring to past history is not something
> Barks has done otherwise when introducing new characters, I think.)
>
> So it seems possible to me that Jones is a character more like
> Grandma; that is a character that already existed in the newspaper
> comics and that Barks took up and used in his comics.
Right! But I think Taliaferro didn't care much about consistency, and he
did create many different neighbours, it needed a long time before he
"adopted" one of them. He also changed the look of his neighbours, when
he changed his style.
However, it's right that Taliaferro often reused his own ideas (there
are several strips where Donald has the same little plane, the same
famous car, the same elephant, the same "carriole", the same ostrich,
the same donkey etc.).
> All of this only boils down to "is Jones and Jones the same character
> or different characters with the same name?". I don't know how much
> sense that question actually makes, though.
I think the fat Taliaferro neighbour with chickens could be considered
the same as Barks' and that Barks was even inspired by this character...
Robgsb
Barks and Scrooge
Message 35 -
1999-04-10 at 22:17:02
First, thanks very much to Gerry Tank for the wonderful updates on Carl
Barks. The poem was great!
I have one very small nit to pick. I don't consider Scrooge to be a
"bad" character, in the sense of Carl Barks being the "opposite" of
Scrooge McDuck. He(Scrooge) is tough on the outside, but it is
frequently made clear that people in general and his nephews
in particular are much more important to him than all of his spectacular
wealth. To name a couple noteworthy incidents off the top of my head:
US 59( "North of the Yukon": offers all his wealth to Soapy Slick to
save his nephews),
US 30("Pipeline to Danger": chooses to incur huge expense avoiding
flooding a crater with oil to spare the small arab ducks living there).
FC 495("The Horseradish Story": Scrooge rescues Chisel McSue from
drowning, despite the fact McSue had just attempted to murder him and
and his nephews, and despite the fact that Scrooge believed McSue would
take away his entire fortune).
As someone whose values were shaped to a degree by the Barks
Duck stories, I'd enjoy reading a book on the Ducks' ethical universe.
Charles Schulz' "Peanuts" strip had such a book, I believe.
"Oh phooey(speaking to the 4th nephew?), I'm a SOFT old fool. I can't
let the rat down!"
Uncle Scrooge, as he and his nephews rescue Chisel McSue;
FC 495
Barks. The poem was great!
I have one very small nit to pick. I don't consider Scrooge to be a
"bad" character, in the sense of Carl Barks being the "opposite" of
Scrooge McDuck. He(Scrooge) is tough on the outside, but it is
frequently made clear that people in general and his nephews
in particular are much more important to him than all of his spectacular
wealth. To name a couple noteworthy incidents off the top of my head:
US 59( "North of the Yukon": offers all his wealth to Soapy Slick to
save his nephews),
US 30("Pipeline to Danger": chooses to incur huge expense avoiding
flooding a crater with oil to spare the small arab ducks living there).
FC 495("The Horseradish Story": Scrooge rescues Chisel McSue from
drowning, despite the fact McSue had just attempted to murder him and
and his nephews, and despite the fact that Scrooge believed McSue would
take away his entire fortune).
As someone whose values were shaped to a degree by the Barks
Duck stories, I'd enjoy reading a book on the Ducks' ethical universe.
Charles Schulz' "Peanuts" strip had such a book, I believe.
"Oh phooey(speaking to the 4th nephew?), I'm a SOFT old fool. I can't
let the rat down!"
Uncle Scrooge, as he and his nephews rescue Chisel McSue;
FC 495
LKumpinsky
Translation questions
Message 36 -
1999-04-11 at 01:20:57
I've noticed that in German, Donald Duck's last name is still "Duck".
The German word for duck is Ente, so why isn't Donald's name "Donald Ente"?
In fact, in a lot of languages, the name "Duck" is not translated. Why is
that?
And while I'm on the subject, there's another thing that's been
confusing me. The German name for Duckburg is Entenhausen. This translates
literally to "duck houses", which doesn't make sense to me. Does "hausen"
carry another meaning in this case?
--------------Leah K.
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The German word for duck is Ente, so why isn't Donald's name "Donald Ente"?
In fact, in a lot of languages, the name "Duck" is not translated. Why is
that?
And while I'm on the subject, there's another thing that's been
confusing me. The German name for Duckburg is Entenhausen. This translates
literally to "duck houses", which doesn't make sense to me. Does "hausen"
carry another meaning in this case?
--------------Leah K.
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Gerry Tank
Robgsb response
Message 37 -
1999-04-11 at 01:59:01
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Thank you for your response to my posting. You are right about the =
hard-soft character of Scrooge McDuck. I guess my mention of Scrooge was =
tainted more by my image of Scrooge from Dicken's story than it was by =
Bark's character.
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Thank you for your response to my posting. You are right about the =
hard-soft character of Scrooge McDuck. I guess my mention of Scrooge was =
tainted more by my image of Scrooge from Dicken's story than it was by =
Bark's character.
SSchridde
Disney comics Digest V99 #68
Message 38 -
1999-04-11 at 18:30:28
Leah:
> Does "hausen"
> carry another meaning in this case?
Hausen is one of many common endings for village names in
Germany. maybe like -borough in Ireland or so...
Haus is house, correct plural form would have been Haeuser (with
Umlaut a) instead hausen - so the translation that lead to your
question was not quite correct.
Soeren Schridde
(Email removed)
> Does "hausen"
> carry another meaning in this case?
Hausen is one of many common endings for village names in
Germany. maybe like -borough in Ireland or so...
Haus is house, correct plural form would have been Haeuser (with
Umlaut a) instead hausen - so the translation that lead to your
question was not quite correct.
Soeren Schridde
(Email removed)
GMRoser
Translation questions/German Ducks
Message 39 -
1999-04-12 at 03:54:00
Leah wrote:
> I've noticed that in German, Donald Duck's last name is still "Duck".
> The German word for duck is Ente, so why isn't Donald's name "Donald
>Ente"?
In fact in the 1930ies Donald appeared in "Micky Maus Zeitung" as
Schnatterich.
In 1951 the first "Micky Maus" published by Ehapa Verlag Dr. Erika Fuchs
translated the stories and introduced the characters and their names in
German.
Why she used Duck and not Ente as surname for Donald, I do not know. But
the usage of alliterations for the character's names was generally adopted.
> And while I'm on the subject, there's another thing that's been
>confusing me. The German name for Duckburg is Entenhausen. This
>translates
>literally to "duck houses", which doesn't make sense to me. Does "hausen"
>carry another meaning in this case?
In the word "Entenhausen" "hausen" means "to live" or "living". So if you
want to
translate it literally it would say "The place where ducks are living".
"duck houses" translates literally to German "Entenhäuser" with an a Umlaut
right before the u.
Hope to be of help
-- Gilbert
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> I've noticed that in German, Donald Duck's last name is still "Duck".
> The German word for duck is Ente, so why isn't Donald's name "Donald
>Ente"?
In fact in the 1930ies Donald appeared in "Micky Maus Zeitung" as
Schnatterich.
In 1951 the first "Micky Maus" published by Ehapa Verlag Dr. Erika Fuchs
translated the stories and introduced the characters and their names in
German.
Why she used Duck and not Ente as surname for Donald, I do not know. But
the usage of alliterations for the character's names was generally adopted.
> And while I'm on the subject, there's another thing that's been
>confusing me. The German name for Duckburg is Entenhausen. This
>translates
>literally to "duck houses", which doesn't make sense to me. Does "hausen"
>carry another meaning in this case?
In the word "Entenhausen" "hausen" means "to live" or "living". So if you
want to
translate it literally it would say "The place where ducks are living".
"duck houses" translates literally to German "Entenhäuser" with an a Umlaut
right before the u.
Hope to be of help
-- Gilbert
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #69
*****************************************
Luca Boschi
Another discovery by Luca Boschi: who's the mysterious "Devi"!?!
Message 40 -
1999-04-12 at 18:25:35
Hi, all!=20
Thanks to Gianfranco Goria and Anonima Fumetti, I=D5ve known about the=20
very, very interesting web site on the mysterious comics artist Devi;
One columnist (and comis=D5 fan) from France wrote this:
=D2I found a g=E9nius italian author of comics (fumetti) but we know=20
nothing about him. He worked to the ALPE editions in Milan about 1950=20
and to the LUG editions in Lyon (France) from 1951 to 1961.
I search things on him, his life, his family and so on because his=20
work is very very beautiful.
His name is DEVI for ANTONIO DE VITA. I have made a web site of this=20
author that you can see on: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/guerre/mirko.htm
His principal work is "The Little Duc" (Il Piccolo Duca) and "Eagle of=20
Clermont".
If you can help me to find things about him, his life, his family and=20
so on.=D3
Well, this =D2genius=D3 is NOT Antonio, but Pier Lorenzo De Vita, a legen=
d=20
of the italian Fumetti (about whom, incidentally, I=D5m studying the=20
work in this very days, and about whom shall hit the newsstands an=20
extensive book in the next months).
A lot of things confirm this discovery.
The writer of the web site says:
=D2il v=8Eg=8Etait aux =8Editions Alpe =88 Milan lorsque Marcel Navarro l=
=92a
d=8Ecouvert. L=92on ne sait h=8Elas strictement rien de cet auteur. Tr=8F=
s=20
discret, il a compl=8Ftement =8Echapp=8E aux sp=8Ecialistes italiens.=D3
It=D5s not true. Surely, there is a lot of confusion about =D2Pier=20
Lorenzo=D3 or =D2Pier Luigi=D3 De Vita, but some bios on him has been=20
writte. I quote that one, written by Alberto Becattini, in the book =D2I=20
Disney Italiani=D3, ten years ago...
Indeed, it=D5s really true that De Vita senior didn=D5t want to be found.=
=20
I looked for mim a lot of times, some ten years ago, before his death,=20
and I spoke with her daughter some times. But I never was able to=20
reach this real Maestro to interview him. Also his son, the celebrated=20
Disney artist Massimo De Vita, respected Pier Lorenzo=D5s wish and=20
=D2protected=D3 him by fans and critics like me...
=D2N=8E dans les ann=8Ees 20, il a collabor=8E =88 quelques journaux ital=
iens=D3
It=D5s not true. He was born in 1909. How do you desume he was ten years=20
younger?
=D2Il envoya =88 Marcel Navarro pendant 6 ans des planches d=92une tr=8Fs=
tr=8Fs=20
grande qualit=8E.=D3
Pier Lorenzo De Vita was a =D2genius=D3 (it=D5s right) specially in=20
describing stories set in the past, with castles, fancy dresses,=20
adventures, epics. Some storie by him drawn for Mondadori demonstrates=20
his gorgeous art of this kind.
=D2Devi dessinait ainsi 56 planches tous les mois, qu=92il envoyait=20
r=8Eguli=8Frement =88 l=92=8Editeur lyonnais.=D3
Incredible! It did it =D2quite=D3 secretly. Maybe he has a sort of=20
exclusive agreement with Mondadori (and with his relative Caregaro,=20
director of Alpe, in Milan) and he didn=D5t want to let know he was also=20
working abroad, in the meantime. From the notes about =D2 l=92Aigle de=20
Clermont=D3 we learn that he was also very fast, because he was also=20
drawing a fancy version of Pecos Bill for =D2Albi d=D5Oro=D3 and, later,=20
started to do Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse quite avoiding to make=20
pencils; drawing directly on the paper. And in the beginning he did it=20
in a wonderful and suggestive way.
=D2Et puis un jour, plus rien. Devi se tait =88 tout jamais. Il dispara=94=
t=20
sans laisser aucune trace, sans laisser un seul signe, un seul indice.=20
D'apr=8Fs sa production, c'est en 1961 qu'il ne donne plus de=20
nouvelles.=D3
But maybe he stopped a little bit earlier. He decided to stay in a=20
place around the Como Lake, with his family. In this very period, he=20
starts to train his son Massimo to the cartoonig. Massimo helps him in=20
some stories for Mondadori (like =D2Paperino e il cane dollarosus=D3, in=20
1960), later goes to Milano to work directly ad graphic editor. And=20
two more years later publishes his very first story by himself (but=20
father Pier Lorenzo is still helping him).
=D2Marcel Navarro alla enqu=90ter sur place =88 Milan mais sans succ=8Fs.=
=D3
Yes. The artist was around Como, actually.
In the magazine "Galaxie" n=B0102 (Nov. 1972) has been written on=20
=D2Devi=D3:
=D2Mais qui est Devi, ce dessinateur italien dont les italiens ne savent=20
rien. Les seuls renseignements que l=92on poss=8Fde sur lui viennent de=20
son =8Editeur, ils nous ont =8Et=8E transmis par G=8Erard Thomassian, un
amateur =8Eclair=8E qui lui consacra un joli petit article dans le fanzin=
e=20
SUBMARINE.
"=CAQue vous dire de cet homme que j=92ai rencontr=8E 4 ou 5 fois=CA? Il=20
s=92appelait De Vita=CA; italien bien s=9Er.
So. Devi=D5s publisher doens=D5t call him =D2Antonio=D3, he only says =D2=
De=20
Vita=D3, that=D5s right.
=D2Farouche, secret, ne laissant rien para=94tre de sa sensibilit=8E=CA; =
ne=20
r=8Ev=8Elant rien de sa vie personnelle. Nous
avions toutes les peines du monde =88 lui arracher de temps en temps=20
quelques pages de dessins=CA; il
disparaissait p=8Eriodiquement sans crier gare, nous laissant sans suite=20
d=92histoire et par cons=8Equent dans
l=92embarras, mais aussi dans l=92inqui=8Etude =88 son sujet. Il a fini p=
ar=20
dispara=94tre d=8Efinitivement.=D3
This exactly fits with Pier Lorenzo=D5s personality=D3.
That=D5s all for now. And, for what concerns me, it=D5s a pity I neve was=
=20
able to contact him in any way when he still was living.
Luca Boschi
Thanks to Gianfranco Goria and Anonima Fumetti, I=D5ve known about the=20
very, very interesting web site on the mysterious comics artist Devi;
One columnist (and comis=D5 fan) from France wrote this:
=D2I found a g=E9nius italian author of comics (fumetti) but we know=20
nothing about him. He worked to the ALPE editions in Milan about 1950=20
and to the LUG editions in Lyon (France) from 1951 to 1961.
I search things on him, his life, his family and so on because his=20
work is very very beautiful.
His name is DEVI for ANTONIO DE VITA. I have made a web site of this=20
author that you can see on: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/guerre/mirko.htm
His principal work is "The Little Duc" (Il Piccolo Duca) and "Eagle of=20
Clermont".
If you can help me to find things about him, his life, his family and=20
so on.=D3
Well, this =D2genius=D3 is NOT Antonio, but Pier Lorenzo De Vita, a legen=
d=20
of the italian Fumetti (about whom, incidentally, I=D5m studying the=20
work in this very days, and about whom shall hit the newsstands an=20
extensive book in the next months).
A lot of things confirm this discovery.
The writer of the web site says:
=D2il v=8Eg=8Etait aux =8Editions Alpe =88 Milan lorsque Marcel Navarro l=
=92a
d=8Ecouvert. L=92on ne sait h=8Elas strictement rien de cet auteur. Tr=8F=
s=20
discret, il a compl=8Ftement =8Echapp=8E aux sp=8Ecialistes italiens.=D3
It=D5s not true. Surely, there is a lot of confusion about =D2Pier=20
Lorenzo=D3 or =D2Pier Luigi=D3 De Vita, but some bios on him has been=20
writte. I quote that one, written by Alberto Becattini, in the book =D2I=20
Disney Italiani=D3, ten years ago...
Indeed, it=D5s really true that De Vita senior didn=D5t want to be found.=
=20
I looked for mim a lot of times, some ten years ago, before his death,=20
and I spoke with her daughter some times. But I never was able to=20
reach this real Maestro to interview him. Also his son, the celebrated=20
Disney artist Massimo De Vita, respected Pier Lorenzo=D5s wish and=20
=D2protected=D3 him by fans and critics like me...
=D2N=8E dans les ann=8Ees 20, il a collabor=8E =88 quelques journaux ital=
iens=D3
It=D5s not true. He was born in 1909. How do you desume he was ten years=20
younger?
=D2Il envoya =88 Marcel Navarro pendant 6 ans des planches d=92une tr=8Fs=
tr=8Fs=20
grande qualit=8E.=D3
Pier Lorenzo De Vita was a =D2genius=D3 (it=D5s right) specially in=20
describing stories set in the past, with castles, fancy dresses,=20
adventures, epics. Some storie by him drawn for Mondadori demonstrates=20
his gorgeous art of this kind.
=D2Devi dessinait ainsi 56 planches tous les mois, qu=92il envoyait=20
r=8Eguli=8Frement =88 l=92=8Editeur lyonnais.=D3
Incredible! It did it =D2quite=D3 secretly. Maybe he has a sort of=20
exclusive agreement with Mondadori (and with his relative Caregaro,=20
director of Alpe, in Milan) and he didn=D5t want to let know he was also=20
working abroad, in the meantime. From the notes about =D2 l=92Aigle de=20
Clermont=D3 we learn that he was also very fast, because he was also=20
drawing a fancy version of Pecos Bill for =D2Albi d=D5Oro=D3 and, later,=20
started to do Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse quite avoiding to make=20
pencils; drawing directly on the paper. And in the beginning he did it=20
in a wonderful and suggestive way.
=D2Et puis un jour, plus rien. Devi se tait =88 tout jamais. Il dispara=94=
t=20
sans laisser aucune trace, sans laisser un seul signe, un seul indice.=20
D'apr=8Fs sa production, c'est en 1961 qu'il ne donne plus de=20
nouvelles.=D3
But maybe he stopped a little bit earlier. He decided to stay in a=20
place around the Como Lake, with his family. In this very period, he=20
starts to train his son Massimo to the cartoonig. Massimo helps him in=20
some stories for Mondadori (like =D2Paperino e il cane dollarosus=D3, in=20
1960), later goes to Milano to work directly ad graphic editor. And=20
two more years later publishes his very first story by himself (but=20
father Pier Lorenzo is still helping him).
=D2Marcel Navarro alla enqu=90ter sur place =88 Milan mais sans succ=8Fs.=
=D3
Yes. The artist was around Como, actually.
In the magazine "Galaxie" n=B0102 (Nov. 1972) has been written on=20
=D2Devi=D3:
=D2Mais qui est Devi, ce dessinateur italien dont les italiens ne savent=20
rien. Les seuls renseignements que l=92on poss=8Fde sur lui viennent de=20
son =8Editeur, ils nous ont =8Et=8E transmis par G=8Erard Thomassian, un
amateur =8Eclair=8E qui lui consacra un joli petit article dans le fanzin=
e=20
SUBMARINE.
"=CAQue vous dire de cet homme que j=92ai rencontr=8E 4 ou 5 fois=CA? Il=20
s=92appelait De Vita=CA; italien bien s=9Er.
So. Devi=D5s publisher doens=D5t call him =D2Antonio=D3, he only says =D2=
De=20
Vita=D3, that=D5s right.
=D2Farouche, secret, ne laissant rien para=94tre de sa sensibilit=8E=CA; =
ne=20
r=8Ev=8Elant rien de sa vie personnelle. Nous
avions toutes les peines du monde =88 lui arracher de temps en temps=20
quelques pages de dessins=CA; il
disparaissait p=8Eriodiquement sans crier gare, nous laissant sans suite=20
d=92histoire et par cons=8Equent dans
l=92embarras, mais aussi dans l=92inqui=8Etude =88 son sujet. Il a fini p=
ar=20
dispara=94tre d=8Efinitivement.=D3
This exactly fits with Pier Lorenzo=D5s personality=D3.
That=D5s all for now. And, for what concerns me, it=D5s a pity I neve was=
=20
able to contact him in any way when he still was living.
Luca Boschi
Fluks, H.W.
Barks Jpeg
Message 41 -
1999-04-12 at 19:14:40
(Repost, since some people may not have read it; last time it was hidden
behind a complete re-send of a previous digest...)
> Gerry Tank wrote:
>
> <<
> If you are capable of receiving jpeg files I can send you a picture of
> Carl at his 98th birthday, admiring all of the e-mail messages he received
> from his fans. gwt
> >>
>
> I got a copy from him, and I put it on the Web, at the following address:
>
> http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/barks98.html
>
> --Harry.
behind a complete re-send of a previous digest...)
> Gerry Tank wrote:
>
> <<
> If you are capable of receiving jpeg files I can send you a picture of
> Carl at his 98th birthday, admiring all of the e-mail messages he received
> from his fans. gwt
> >>
>
> I got a copy from him, and I put it on the Web, at the following address:
>
> http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/barks98.html
>
> --Harry.
Per Starback
Neighbor Jones' appearances in AT strips (lots of nitpickings)
Message 42 -
1999-04-14 at 02:25:55
Francois nitpicked:
> > January 17, 1943: "Donald sends shovel to Jones in Florida"
> > <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+43-01-17>
>
> There are other strips before that one. One in ZD 41-09-21: [...]
Thanks for all the examples! It seems like Taliaferro experimented a
little with different Jones looks too.
> > April 24, 1947: "arrows in Neighbor Jones' hat"
> > <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-04-24>
>
> There must be a problem here, 4/24/47 is not a sunday, there is a strip
> on 4/20 and on 27/4 only.
Sorry, I meant
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?YD+47-04-24>.
This is indeed a daily strip and not a Sunday page. The neighbor is a
big tough-looking guy. I don't know if he really has a name in the
original. In the Swedish version no name is mentioned.
> > July 13, 1947: "Jones wins photo contest"
> > <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-07-13>
>
> Here we even have new information on Jones' first name. On the original,
> it says in the first panel "J. Jones".
Which is exactly what it says in some Barks story as well, I think.
Hm, or is it? I can't find that now.
> But there's no proof that this is
> Donald's neighbour, and he doesn't look like any other character in the
> 1940-45 strips. He's just someone walking in Duckburg in the sunday.
OK, you are right. But he looks a little like them at least!
> I think the fat Taliaferro neighbour with chickens could be considered
> the same as Barks' and that Barks was even inspired by this character...
All in all it seems so.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #70
*****************************************
> > January 17, 1943: "Donald sends shovel to Jones in Florida"
> > <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+43-01-17>
>
> There are other strips before that one. One in ZD 41-09-21: [...]
Thanks for all the examples! It seems like Taliaferro experimented a
little with different Jones looks too.
> > April 24, 1947: "arrows in Neighbor Jones' hat"
> > <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-04-24>
>
> There must be a problem here, 4/24/47 is not a sunday, there is a strip
> on 4/20 and on 27/4 only.
Sorry, I meant
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?YD+47-04-24>.
This is indeed a daily strip and not a Sunday page. The neighbor is a
big tough-looking guy. I don't know if he really has a name in the
original. In the Swedish version no name is mentioned.
> > July 13, 1947: "Jones wins photo contest"
> > <http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?ZD+47-07-13>
>
> Here we even have new information on Jones' first name. On the original,
> it says in the first panel "J. Jones".
Which is exactly what it says in some Barks story as well, I think.
Hm, or is it? I can't find that now.
> But there's no proof that this is
> Donald's neighbour, and he doesn't look like any other character in the
> 1940-45 strips. He's just someone walking in Duckburg in the sunday.
OK, you are right. But he looks a little like them at least!
> I think the fat Taliaferro neighbour with chickens could be considered
> the same as Barks' and that Barks was even inspired by this character...
All in all it seems so.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #70
*****************************************
Stefan Diös
Julius Caesar and Barks editing
Message 43 -
1999-04-14 at 17:22:00
Some weeks ago, Per brought up the inconsistency of Caesar's birth date as
given in WDC #99 (quiz show story), where the first of the facts that Donald
memorize for the contest is that "Caesar was born in 102 B.C.". Today, all
books give Caesar's birth year as 100 BC, but Per found some old source that
mentioned a differing opinion by some scholars.
I checked this with Dick Harrison, as famous as a historian in Sweden as he
is as a Donaldist. He told me that few people today, if any, doubt that the
correct year really is 100 BC. Only one writer, Theodor Mommsen, argued the
year 102, after interpreting some old annals in a way that nobody else
agreed with. At least they don't today.
So, obviously Mommsen was the guy that Barks had read when he wrote his
story (if he really wrote that part himself)... or maybe he knew about the
disagreement, but picked the year that he thought would "sound nice" in the
dialog?? Things like that have been known to happen! I don't think we'll
ever know for sure.
Incidentally, when I worked with this story recently for a Swedish reprint,
I decided to change the year to 100 BC. We normally keep the old
translations as intact as possible, but I reasoned that the correctness of
at least the more easily checkable facts are just as important. The decision
wasn't easy, however, since this story is a real classic. It's been
reprinted several times in Sweden, so many readers may notice when something
is changed from the "classic" Barks script. Also, this might mean that I
consequently need to check how many drops of water really pass over Niagara
Falls in a week! Did I do the right thing or not?
Well, well. This leads me to bring up a totally different point I've been
pondering for quite some time. Further on in that same story (WDC 99),
Donald is asked for "Mickey Mouse's social security number". This is also a
classic line of dialog. It is similar in every Swedish edition of the story,
and it's often quoted as an example of a real dumb quiz question.
But... when you think about it... isn't it odd for Carl Barks to use
Mickey's name in a Donald story? Not that it doesn't work, but it strikes me
as uncharacteristic. Did Barks ever do that in any other story? More to the
point, did he even do it in *this* story?
We know that Barks didn't write the original script for this story, even if
he surely made some contributions of his own. This might explain a seeming
discrepancy like Mickey's name appearing... but that's not my point. When I
look closely at the original panel, I get the feeling that the words "Mickey
Mouse's" have been pasted in after the rest of the text was written. The
handwriting is the same (or very close to Barks' own), but it looks to me
that something else originally was written, and then changed to "Mickey
Mouse". Was a different name in the original script, and Barks later decided
to change it? Did some editor order him to do it, or did even somebody else
do it? For what reason, and what was the original name? Or is it just me who
look for changes where no changes have been made? Maybe Barks just
mislettered the name and had to change it for that reason. Or maybe it was
never changed at all, and I'm just imagining that this text portion doesn't
fit perfectly with the rest of the balloon.
I'd better mention another example, where I'm sure (?) that changes have
been made. This is also a classic: the horse-radish story in FC #495 (US
#3). Here, the horse-radish itself was obviously something else in Barks'
first script. It's clearly changed just about every time it appears, but
again the writing looks like Barks' own. So it wasn't necessarily imposed
upon him by someone else, but an inquisitive mind can't help asking: Did he
do it himself, or was the story sent back to him? And, what was first
supposed to be in that chest, and why was it changed?
I'm sure I have seen some other rare cases where Barks' text was edited,
sometimes with another letterer filling in a word or two; but these two are
the most prominent that come to mind. Whenever some artwork is deleted or
changed it seems to be analyzed everywhere, but this text editing is an
issue I don't recall ever having seen discussed at any length. Then again,
of course I haven't read all the miles of literature on Barks and his stories.
And of course it's not as interesting, or obvious, as changes in the art,
except perhaps for the few of us who work in the text department ourselves...
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
given in WDC #99 (quiz show story), where the first of the facts that Donald
memorize for the contest is that "Caesar was born in 102 B.C.". Today, all
books give Caesar's birth year as 100 BC, but Per found some old source that
mentioned a differing opinion by some scholars.
I checked this with Dick Harrison, as famous as a historian in Sweden as he
is as a Donaldist. He told me that few people today, if any, doubt that the
correct year really is 100 BC. Only one writer, Theodor Mommsen, argued the
year 102, after interpreting some old annals in a way that nobody else
agreed with. At least they don't today.
So, obviously Mommsen was the guy that Barks had read when he wrote his
story (if he really wrote that part himself)... or maybe he knew about the
disagreement, but picked the year that he thought would "sound nice" in the
dialog?? Things like that have been known to happen! I don't think we'll
ever know for sure.
Incidentally, when I worked with this story recently for a Swedish reprint,
I decided to change the year to 100 BC. We normally keep the old
translations as intact as possible, but I reasoned that the correctness of
at least the more easily checkable facts are just as important. The decision
wasn't easy, however, since this story is a real classic. It's been
reprinted several times in Sweden, so many readers may notice when something
is changed from the "classic" Barks script. Also, this might mean that I
consequently need to check how many drops of water really pass over Niagara
Falls in a week! Did I do the right thing or not?
Well, well. This leads me to bring up a totally different point I've been
pondering for quite some time. Further on in that same story (WDC 99),
Donald is asked for "Mickey Mouse's social security number". This is also a
classic line of dialog. It is similar in every Swedish edition of the story,
and it's often quoted as an example of a real dumb quiz question.
But... when you think about it... isn't it odd for Carl Barks to use
Mickey's name in a Donald story? Not that it doesn't work, but it strikes me
as uncharacteristic. Did Barks ever do that in any other story? More to the
point, did he even do it in *this* story?
We know that Barks didn't write the original script for this story, even if
he surely made some contributions of his own. This might explain a seeming
discrepancy like Mickey's name appearing... but that's not my point. When I
look closely at the original panel, I get the feeling that the words "Mickey
Mouse's" have been pasted in after the rest of the text was written. The
handwriting is the same (or very close to Barks' own), but it looks to me
that something else originally was written, and then changed to "Mickey
Mouse". Was a different name in the original script, and Barks later decided
to change it? Did some editor order him to do it, or did even somebody else
do it? For what reason, and what was the original name? Or is it just me who
look for changes where no changes have been made? Maybe Barks just
mislettered the name and had to change it for that reason. Or maybe it was
never changed at all, and I'm just imagining that this text portion doesn't
fit perfectly with the rest of the balloon.
I'd better mention another example, where I'm sure (?) that changes have
been made. This is also a classic: the horse-radish story in FC #495 (US
#3). Here, the horse-radish itself was obviously something else in Barks'
first script. It's clearly changed just about every time it appears, but
again the writing looks like Barks' own. So it wasn't necessarily imposed
upon him by someone else, but an inquisitive mind can't help asking: Did he
do it himself, or was the story sent back to him? And, what was first
supposed to be in that chest, and why was it changed?
I'm sure I have seen some other rare cases where Barks' text was edited,
sometimes with another letterer filling in a word or two; but these two are
the most prominent that come to mind. Whenever some artwork is deleted or
changed it seems to be analyzed everywhere, but this text editing is an
issue I don't recall ever having seen discussed at any length. Then again,
of course I haven't read all the miles of literature on Barks and his stories.
And of course it's not as interesting, or obvious, as changes in the art,
except perhaps for the few of us who work in the text department ourselves...
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
Another great day
Message 44 -
1999-04-14 at 17:36:00
Hello
Today I resaw some of the best Disney-comics of my childhood (apart from
barks of course). I got a 3rd package from my dutch friend, Duco, who send
me now, 24 issues of the dutch donald duck extra-magazine (the one that
publishes Rosa-stories and other things that can only be put in such a mag
(in the editors' opinion))
Many of those stories there have been in our weekly, as first stories or
continued ones.
I really say a big thank you to Duco; It's great reseeing some of the
classics form ones youth, even though there were no Barks-stories among
them.
(Barks is a classic in himself, and his stories came with pauses in the
mags back then in 1987-1990 too)
I am now the proud ownere of an almost complete collection of DD extras
from 1987 to 1991!
Yours
Anders Christian Sivebaek
(Email removed);
(Email removed)
Today I resaw some of the best Disney-comics of my childhood (apart from
barks of course). I got a 3rd package from my dutch friend, Duco, who send
me now, 24 issues of the dutch donald duck extra-magazine (the one that
publishes Rosa-stories and other things that can only be put in such a mag
(in the editors' opinion))
Many of those stories there have been in our weekly, as first stories or
continued ones.
I really say a big thank you to Duco; It's great reseeing some of the
classics form ones youth, even though there were no Barks-stories among
them.
(Barks is a classic in himself, and his stories came with pauses in the
mags back then in 1987-1990 too)
I am now the proud ownere of an almost complete collection of DD extras
from 1987 to 1991!
Yours
Anders Christian Sivebaek
(Email removed);
(Email removed)
Halsten Aastebxl
Julius Caesar and Barks editing
Message 45 -
1999-04-14 at 22:40:41
At 16:22 14.04.99 +0200, Stefan Diös wrote:
>But... when you think about it... isn't it odd for Carl Barks to use
>Mickey's name in a Donald story? Not that it doesn't work, but it strikes me
>as uncharacteristic. Did Barks ever do that in any other story20 >Stefan Dios >Malmo, Sweden > In the story "Vacation Time" (WDC 83, August 1947), Barks has Donald alone at home after sending HDL to Grandma. Donald is planning to rest the entire week, but is constantly pestered by door sellers. At one point he has decided not to open the door, but then he starts thinking something along the lines of: "It might be Daisy or MICKEY or somebody I know". Of course it was a door seller. Halsten ?=
>But... when you think about it... isn't it odd for Carl Barks to use
>Mickey's name in a Donald story? Not that it doesn't work, but it strikes me
>as uncharacteristic. Did Barks ever do that in any other story20 >Stefan Dios >Malmo, Sweden > In the story "Vacation Time" (WDC 83, August 1947), Barks has Donald alone at home after sending HDL to Grandma. Donald is planning to rest the entire week, but is constantly pestered by door sellers. At one point he has decided not to open the door, but then he starts thinking something along the lines of: "It might be Daisy or MICKEY or somebody I know". Of course it was a door seller. Halsten ?=