> Some information gathered from an earlier discussion on The Uncensored
> Mouse on this list is at
> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/notdisney.html>:
Thanks!!
> /Per (who doesn't have those books himself, unfortunately)
> "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Well... As an information (even to those who wanted to know the price)
"Uncensored Mouse" issue 1 and 2 went for 40 Swedish Crowns
each in a recent swedish on-line auction. They were in near mint
condition still in their original and unopened bag.
40 swedish Crowns is.. eh.. about four to four and a half dollars..
Steamboat Willie
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Author
Topic: 199904
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Bror Hellman
uncensored mouse
Message 76 -
1999-04-23 at 09:32:44
Didier Ghez
Aku Ankka
Message 77 -
1999-04-23 at 15:11:20
Hi,
I just saw on the Anku Ankka site, that a new issue is out with a
special Don Rosa cover: Issue 16/99.
Would anyone be able to send me that issue. Against a Picsou Magazine
for example ?
Thanks in advance.
Didier
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I just saw on the Anku Ankka site, that a new issue is out with a
special Don Rosa cover: Issue 16/99.
Would anyone be able to send me that issue. Against a Picsou Magazine
for example ?
Thanks in advance.
Didier
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Bhc
Disney comics Digest V99 #76
Message 78 -
1999-04-23 at 19:56:54
There's this I would add about "The Uncensored Mouse": The folks at
Eternity were not naive, and certainly not about Disney's likely reaction
to those comics. They could have hardly goaded Disney into action more
readily if they'd gone to the executive suite and dumped a load of horse
manure on Michael Eisner's desk. This does not mean that Eternity was
necessarily in the wrong, but Disney's lawsuit was no surprise to anyone,
nor was the resultant out-of-court settlement.
There are those who think this is just what Eternity had in mind. Disney is
unlikely to have overlooked this as a possibility, though whether there was
any substantiation that could have held up as "informed rumor", let alone
in court, is another matter. In the end Disney wisely offered a settlement,
and Eternity wisely accepted it...and Eternity's parent company Malibu was
bought by Marvel, which eventually published a line of Disney comics. Hey,
since Marvel has retroactively established itself as the publisher of
Malibu's "Men In Black", on that basis Marvel is now the publisher of "The
Uncensored Mouse", which means that "The Uncensored Mouse" were Marvel's
first Disney comics!
Reality. What a concept...
Eternity were not naive, and certainly not about Disney's likely reaction
to those comics. They could have hardly goaded Disney into action more
readily if they'd gone to the executive suite and dumped a load of horse
manure on Michael Eisner's desk. This does not mean that Eternity was
necessarily in the wrong, but Disney's lawsuit was no surprise to anyone,
nor was the resultant out-of-court settlement.
There are those who think this is just what Eternity had in mind. Disney is
unlikely to have overlooked this as a possibility, though whether there was
any substantiation that could have held up as "informed rumor", let alone
in court, is another matter. In the end Disney wisely offered a settlement,
and Eternity wisely accepted it...and Eternity's parent company Malibu was
bought by Marvel, which eventually published a line of Disney comics. Hey,
since Marvel has retroactively established itself as the publisher of
Malibu's "Men In Black", on that basis Marvel is now the publisher of "The
Uncensored Mouse", which means that "The Uncensored Mouse" were Marvel's
first Disney comics!
Reality. What a concept...
Marco Barlotti
Neighbour Jones in Italy
Message 79 -
1999-04-23 at 20:34:50
PER:
>I've updated the character page on Jones now with the data on
>possible newspaper precursors from me and Francois.
><http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/chars/jones.html>
Very nice page. I'm very favourably impressed by how well the story
references in the dcml web pages now work.
However I suggest a correction to "the names of Jones in other languages".
You list as Italian equivalents "vicino Jones" (which is correct), "signor
Mitraglia" (which is *wrong*, because it refers to a different neighbour, on
whose exact description I am still having a few good discussion with the
Italian members of this list...) and "signor Bombarda" which is at least
*doubtful* because there may be a couple of occurrences of this name in very
very early translations from Barks, but definitely is *not* the name Jones
is known with in Italy.
To this we should add a few nice stories by Barosso and Massimo De Vita
produced in Italy and starring Jones, who is called JONES in them! (I TL
509-B, I TL 578-A, I TL 713-B)
Overall, I suggest that you just leave "vicino Jones" (with a small <v>,
because <vicino> simply means <neighbour>) and delete the other two entries.
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex
>I've updated the character page on Jones now with the data on
>possible newspaper precursors from me and Francois.
><http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/chars/jones.html>
Very nice page. I'm very favourably impressed by how well the story
references in the dcml web pages now work.
However I suggest a correction to "the names of Jones in other languages".
You list as Italian equivalents "vicino Jones" (which is correct), "signor
Mitraglia" (which is *wrong*, because it refers to a different neighbour, on
whose exact description I am still having a few good discussion with the
Italian members of this list...) and "signor Bombarda" which is at least
*doubtful* because there may be a couple of occurrences of this name in very
very early translations from Barks, but definitely is *not* the name Jones
is known with in Italy.
To this we should add a few nice stories by Barosso and Massimo De Vita
produced in Italy and starring Jones, who is called JONES in them! (I TL
509-B, I TL 578-A, I TL 713-B)
Overall, I suggest that you just leave "vicino Jones" (with a small <v>,
because <vicino> simply means <neighbour>) and delete the other two entries.
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex
Arthur De Wolf
Disney Comics Worldwide News Update #1
Message 80 -
1999-04-23 at 22:52:49
DISNEY COMICS WORLDWIDE NEWS UPDATE #1
-------------------------------------------------------------
TOPOLINO MAGAZINE TURNS FIFTY
This month, Italy's Topolino weekly magazine celebrates its 50th
anniversary with a wide range of special activities. Beginning on April 15th
and running through June 30th, a big exhibit called Topolino L'eroe Delle
Tue Storie will be held in Rome, inviting visitors on an amusing trip inside
the Topolino magazine. At the same time, a one-shot entitled Top 49 will be
released, with a reprint of the very first three issues of Topolino magazine
from 1949. Following the success of The Best of Mickey Mouse, a new magazine
dedicated to Donald Duck will be released at the exhibit, comprising a
selection of his best comic stories. The hard cover Best of Donald Duck
title contains 288 comic pages and editorial pages discussing the stories
and their artists.
FINNISH COMICBOOK IN DIALECT
The huge success of the first-ever Disney comic album in a Finnish
dialect took Finland by surprise. Classic Carl Barks' stories featuring
Uncle Scrooge were re-written in Ostrobothnian. The album received
tremendous media coverage and the first edition of 70,000 copies sold out
the day the album was launched in early December.
MICKEY MOUSE GOES WEEKLY IN BULGARIA
The Mickey Mouse magazine had its start in Bulgaria as a bi-monthly
title in 1991, moved to monthly frequency in 1992, was published bi-weekly
in 1993 and, as of this year, will apear weekly. Egmont Bulgaria has updated
the magazine concepts to include more editorial content.
INSRAEL AND PORTUGAL LAUNCH NEW WINNIE THE POOH COMICS
A new Winnie the Pooh monthly magazine in Hebrew was successfully
launched by Yedioth-Egmont in Israel last February. The launch was conducted
in collaboration with McDonald's and Co-Op, a leading retailer in Israel.
McDonald's distributed more than 100,000 copies of the magazine for free in
its restaurants throughout the country. In addition Abril/Controljornal
launches a Winnie the Pooh pre-school magazine on the Portugal market this
April.
MIKI MAX ACTIVITY LAUNCHED IN POLAND
Egmont in Poland has just launched Miki Max, a quarterly activity
title based on the German Miki Activ magazine. Miki Max is full of puzzles,
jokes and games which should make it a favorite magazine for Polish
children. The Polish flagship magazine, Kaczor Donald, supported the launch
by recommending Miki Max in its 'Kaczor Donald Recommends' corner.
PRINCESS MAGAZINE TESTS IN GERMANY WITH STRONG RESULTS
German publisher Ehapa Verlag tested their version of Princess
magazine in October with success. The girls' title is based on the British
Princess magazine. The first issue of this monthly title was launched early
this year.
DISNEY ADVENTURES REDESIGN
Disney Adventures in the USA rose it's ad pages and revenues with 26%
in 1998 over the prior year. An editorial and graphic re-design are
effective as of this month.
INTRODUCING THE EURO TO FRENCH CHILDREN
Disney Hachette Presse in France printed 3.3 million copies of a
special issue of the Journal de Mickey weekly magazine for the BNP, a major
French bank and Disneyland Paris partner. The 20-page special issue was
created by DHP to explain the new Euro currency to children using a comic
story featuring the Junior Woodchucks.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Visit DCW on the web at http://www.dcomics.org
-------------------------------------------------------------
TOPOLINO MAGAZINE TURNS FIFTY
This month, Italy's Topolino weekly magazine celebrates its 50th
anniversary with a wide range of special activities. Beginning on April 15th
and running through June 30th, a big exhibit called Topolino L'eroe Delle
Tue Storie will be held in Rome, inviting visitors on an amusing trip inside
the Topolino magazine. At the same time, a one-shot entitled Top 49 will be
released, with a reprint of the very first three issues of Topolino magazine
from 1949. Following the success of The Best of Mickey Mouse, a new magazine
dedicated to Donald Duck will be released at the exhibit, comprising a
selection of his best comic stories. The hard cover Best of Donald Duck
title contains 288 comic pages and editorial pages discussing the stories
and their artists.
FINNISH COMICBOOK IN DIALECT
The huge success of the first-ever Disney comic album in a Finnish
dialect took Finland by surprise. Classic Carl Barks' stories featuring
Uncle Scrooge were re-written in Ostrobothnian. The album received
tremendous media coverage and the first edition of 70,000 copies sold out
the day the album was launched in early December.
MICKEY MOUSE GOES WEEKLY IN BULGARIA
The Mickey Mouse magazine had its start in Bulgaria as a bi-monthly
title in 1991, moved to monthly frequency in 1992, was published bi-weekly
in 1993 and, as of this year, will apear weekly. Egmont Bulgaria has updated
the magazine concepts to include more editorial content.
INSRAEL AND PORTUGAL LAUNCH NEW WINNIE THE POOH COMICS
A new Winnie the Pooh monthly magazine in Hebrew was successfully
launched by Yedioth-Egmont in Israel last February. The launch was conducted
in collaboration with McDonald's and Co-Op, a leading retailer in Israel.
McDonald's distributed more than 100,000 copies of the magazine for free in
its restaurants throughout the country. In addition Abril/Controljornal
launches a Winnie the Pooh pre-school magazine on the Portugal market this
April.
MIKI MAX ACTIVITY LAUNCHED IN POLAND
Egmont in Poland has just launched Miki Max, a quarterly activity
title based on the German Miki Activ magazine. Miki Max is full of puzzles,
jokes and games which should make it a favorite magazine for Polish
children. The Polish flagship magazine, Kaczor Donald, supported the launch
by recommending Miki Max in its 'Kaczor Donald Recommends' corner.
PRINCESS MAGAZINE TESTS IN GERMANY WITH STRONG RESULTS
German publisher Ehapa Verlag tested their version of Princess
magazine in October with success. The girls' title is based on the British
Princess magazine. The first issue of this monthly title was launched early
this year.
DISNEY ADVENTURES REDESIGN
Disney Adventures in the USA rose it's ad pages and revenues with 26%
in 1998 over the prior year. An editorial and graphic re-design are
effective as of this month.
INTRODUCING THE EURO TO FRENCH CHILDREN
Disney Hachette Presse in France printed 3.3 million copies of a
special issue of the Journal de Mickey weekly magazine for the BNP, a major
French bank and Disneyland Paris partner. The 20-page special issue was
created by DHP to explain the new Euro currency to children using a comic
story featuring the Junior Woodchucks.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Visit DCW on the web at http://www.dcomics.org
Stefan Diƶs
Barks (re-?)lettering
Message 81 -
1999-04-24 at 18:58:49
Leah Kumpinsky wrote:
> For the past couple of days, there's been discussions about the
>re-lettering of The Horseradish Story. Well, I took a look at the story and
>stared at the lettering every time the word "horse-radish" appeared. And
>stared. And stared. And stared some more, but I couldn't see anything
>suspicious. What is wrong with the lettering?
I'm looking at the version in Another Rainbow's "Carl Barks Library" sets
from the 80's, which I think are supposed to be reasonably exact copies from
the original. Maybe it looks different in other editions, but to me it still
seems clear that the word "horse-radish" is lettered a little differently
than the rest of the dialog most of the time it appears; starting in the
second panel of the second page of the story. It's not as evident when the
word is lettered in bold, or on the chest when Donald finds it in the old
shipwreck. But at least on the first few occasions (page 2 and 3, for
example), I'm still willing to venture a guess that it might not be Barks'
own writing.
Am I the only one to notice this? Maybe I'm getting crazy (or should I say
"less than lucid"?!?) at my old age of 38?! I've certainly seen such
indications before! I'll try to dig up another example of changed dialog...
let's see if this falls as flat as the others!
This one is decidedly more obscure: Firestone Christmas Giveaway 1948,
"Donald Duck in Toyland"; again a case where Barks re-wrote somebody else's
script. On page 6, the ducks are busy testing toys at Santa's workshop. One
nephew is acting as a traffic cop, while Donald and the others drive toy
cars. First Donald says, "Gangway for Hot-Rod Donald, the terror of the
turnpikes!" Then a nephew says, "One side for Dreadful Dewey!" Then the
third nephew says, "Look out, kids! Here I come!" An anticlimactic ending to
such a dramatic build-up, if ever I saw one. If I were to be really mean,
I'd say it looks like a line from an Egmont story of the 70's or 80's!
The hand-writing again looks slightly different (more spaced) in that "Look
out" panel, at least to me. My guess is that someone decided that whatever
Barks wrote wasn't suitable, so it had to be changed. There is little doubt
in my mind that the lines about "Hot-Rod Donald" and "Dreadful Dewey" are
Barks' own, and that he intended something similar for the third panel. The
way the dialog collapses in that panel is "just not Barks".
Then there is the case of U$ 51, "How Green Was My Lettuce", but since it
involves art change, it is described in detail in CBL (set V, volume 1, page
7). What I might add is that Scrooge's line "Now what? The whole money bin
is TILTED!" is a case where I see another letterer at work than Barks. It's
even more obvious in the re-edited version of the story (p. 210 in that
volume), where the words "Now what?" are replaced by "Suddenly", in Barks'
writing. (Presumably cut and pasted from somewhere else.) The other text
looks like the lettering that was often used in Tony Strobl stories at that
time. An in-house letterer at Western, perhaps? Maybe even the same guy that
helped with some of the horse-radish some time earlier?
Or am I completely off the mark, as well as my rocker?!?
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
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> For the past couple of days, there's been discussions about the
>re-lettering of The Horseradish Story. Well, I took a look at the story and
>stared at the lettering every time the word "horse-radish" appeared. And
>stared. And stared. And stared some more, but I couldn't see anything
>suspicious. What is wrong with the lettering?
I'm looking at the version in Another Rainbow's "Carl Barks Library" sets
from the 80's, which I think are supposed to be reasonably exact copies from
the original. Maybe it looks different in other editions, but to me it still
seems clear that the word "horse-radish" is lettered a little differently
than the rest of the dialog most of the time it appears; starting in the
second panel of the second page of the story. It's not as evident when the
word is lettered in bold, or on the chest when Donald finds it in the old
shipwreck. But at least on the first few occasions (page 2 and 3, for
example), I'm still willing to venture a guess that it might not be Barks'
own writing.
Am I the only one to notice this? Maybe I'm getting crazy (or should I say
"less than lucid"?!?) at my old age of 38?! I've certainly seen such
indications before! I'll try to dig up another example of changed dialog...
let's see if this falls as flat as the others!
This one is decidedly more obscure: Firestone Christmas Giveaway 1948,
"Donald Duck in Toyland"; again a case where Barks re-wrote somebody else's
script. On page 6, the ducks are busy testing toys at Santa's workshop. One
nephew is acting as a traffic cop, while Donald and the others drive toy
cars. First Donald says, "Gangway for Hot-Rod Donald, the terror of the
turnpikes!" Then a nephew says, "One side for Dreadful Dewey!" Then the
third nephew says, "Look out, kids! Here I come!" An anticlimactic ending to
such a dramatic build-up, if ever I saw one. If I were to be really mean,
I'd say it looks like a line from an Egmont story of the 70's or 80's!
The hand-writing again looks slightly different (more spaced) in that "Look
out" panel, at least to me. My guess is that someone decided that whatever
Barks wrote wasn't suitable, so it had to be changed. There is little doubt
in my mind that the lines about "Hot-Rod Donald" and "Dreadful Dewey" are
Barks' own, and that he intended something similar for the third panel. The
way the dialog collapses in that panel is "just not Barks".
Then there is the case of U$ 51, "How Green Was My Lettuce", but since it
involves art change, it is described in detail in CBL (set V, volume 1, page
7). What I might add is that Scrooge's line "Now what? The whole money bin
is TILTED!" is a case where I see another letterer at work than Barks. It's
even more obvious in the re-edited version of the story (p. 210 in that
volume), where the words "Now what?" are replaced by "Suddenly", in Barks'
writing. (Presumably cut and pasted from somewhere else.) The other text
looks like the lettering that was often used in Tony Strobl stories at that
time. An in-house letterer at Western, perhaps? Maybe even the same guy that
helped with some of the horse-radish some time earlier?
Or am I completely off the mark, as well as my rocker?!?
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
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Paolo Castagno
50 anni con Topolino
Message 82 -
1999-04-25 at 13:53:21
Hello,
Next thursday (29-04-1999) in Rome will start a exhibition
celebrating the 50th birthday of the main Italian publication:
"Topolino". It will last two months, but I think I'll be there
for its opening. Is there someone else who'll be there?
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
Next thursday (29-04-1999) in Rome will start a exhibition
celebrating the 50th birthday of the main Italian publication:
"Topolino". It will last two months, but I think I'll be there
for its opening. Is there someone else who'll be there?
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
Teme (www.Conk.Com/world/teme)
Finnish Lost Dutchman Mine -cover
Message 83 -
1999-04-26 at 04:14:34
> I just saw on the Anku Ankka site, that a new issue is out with a
> special Don Rosa cover: Issue 16/99.
>
> Would anyone be able to send me that issue. Against a Picsou Magazine
> for example ?
Sorry, but I can't help you with that.
However, in case someone happens to be interested I scanned it and the
cover can be seen at:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~omen/dutchman.jpg
Teme
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(Email removed)
http://fly.to/teme
> special Don Rosa cover: Issue 16/99.
>
> Would anyone be able to send me that issue. Against a Picsou Magazine
> for example ?
Sorry, but I can't help you with that.
However, in case someone happens to be interested I scanned it and the
cover can be seen at:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~omen/dutchman.jpg
Teme
------
- A life is celebration of the existence -
------
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://fly.to/teme
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V99 #76
Message 84 -
1999-04-26 at 18:53:35
PER (and everyone):
You quote the following info from the dcomics pages...
> _Uncensored Mouse_ was a reprint from Eternity Comics of very
> early Mickey strips, that supposedly were in the public domain.
> It seems like some of the earliest strips actually are, but two
> of those published by Eternity had been printed in 1930's
> _Mickey Mouse Book_ before appearing in newspapers, and thus
> were registered for copyright differently, and are still
> protected. Hence the demise of their series.
As the contributor of the info, I should update it to say that
_Mickey Mouse Book_ actually appeared *late* in 1930, when the strips were
already in newspapers. But the important thing is that as a part of the
book, the strips were still copyrighted less than a year after their
creation, and this protected them effectively.
As to whether there are more than two issues of UM, no more than two
were ever printed, but galley proofs to #3 exist.
IMHO, the tragic thing about UNCENSORED MOUSE is that it had a noble
goal: to do justice to Mickey Mouse. Unfortunately, in an attempt to make
the stuff sell, it played up its nature as "forbidden fruit... the stuff
you're not supposed to see." The marketing tactic extended all the way to
selling the comics sealed in plastic, so you couldn't even open them in the
shops. Eternity gave people the impression that the early Mickey was a dirty
comic; something that had *rightfully* been suppressed. To quote a
description from someone's eBay auction that's going on now... "This has
graphic action! More brutal and shocking than what you'd expect from Mickey.
Bagged individually, to prevent destroying the dreams of the Mickey fan that
may happen upon it!"
Oh, sure. Did they destroy the dreams of last year's readers of
WDC&S 626 and 627 (when much of the same material, minus cannibals but with
Mickey's harmlessly mischievous behavior unchanged, was mostly reprinted)? I
think not.
UNCENSORED MOUSE, genuinely containing some great strips and
articles and intended as a tribute to Gottfredson, was packaged in such a
way that it only dirtied his reputation. What a shame.
David Gerstein
You quote the following info from the dcomics pages...
> _Uncensored Mouse_ was a reprint from Eternity Comics of very
> early Mickey strips, that supposedly were in the public domain.
> It seems like some of the earliest strips actually are, but two
> of those published by Eternity had been printed in 1930's
> _Mickey Mouse Book_ before appearing in newspapers, and thus
> were registered for copyright differently, and are still
> protected. Hence the demise of their series.
As the contributor of the info, I should update it to say that
_Mickey Mouse Book_ actually appeared *late* in 1930, when the strips were
already in newspapers. But the important thing is that as a part of the
book, the strips were still copyrighted less than a year after their
creation, and this protected them effectively.
As to whether there are more than two issues of UM, no more than two
were ever printed, but galley proofs to #3 exist.
IMHO, the tragic thing about UNCENSORED MOUSE is that it had a noble
goal: to do justice to Mickey Mouse. Unfortunately, in an attempt to make
the stuff sell, it played up its nature as "forbidden fruit... the stuff
you're not supposed to see." The marketing tactic extended all the way to
selling the comics sealed in plastic, so you couldn't even open them in the
shops. Eternity gave people the impression that the early Mickey was a dirty
comic; something that had *rightfully* been suppressed. To quote a
description from someone's eBay auction that's going on now... "This has
graphic action! More brutal and shocking than what you'd expect from Mickey.
Bagged individually, to prevent destroying the dreams of the Mickey fan that
may happen upon it!"
Oh, sure. Did they destroy the dreams of last year's readers of
WDC&S 626 and 627 (when much of the same material, minus cannibals but with
Mickey's harmlessly mischievous behavior unchanged, was mostly reprinted)? I
think not.
UNCENSORED MOUSE, genuinely containing some great strips and
articles and intended as a tribute to Gottfredson, was packaged in such a
way that it only dirtied his reputation. What a shame.
David Gerstein
Jakob Soederbaum
2 questions about DR covers + answers to Harry
Message 85 -
1999-04-27 at 02:23:05
Hi everyone!
Two Rosa-related questions:
* Does anyone know whether the Rosa-cover with U$ riding a giraffe (Lo$ 6)
was published outside of the collected Egmont edition of Lo$, I mean --
as a real cover?
* And where was the picture of U$ getting a birthday cake from his sisters
*first* published (I have it as a cover for the French fanzine CBD #84)?
HARRY wrote:
> I'm not accusing you of stealing anything (the stuff from my pages isn't
> mine anyway). I'm only slightly annoyed that you use the word "only", while
> it's quite obvious that there are dozens of other Rosa indexes on the net (I
> didn't even mention them all in my previous mail).
Oh, OK. Well... "only" is meant for the "comprehensive, Immensely Verified
and Annotated"-part in the name TOCIVARD, not only for the last "Rosa-index
Database"-part. :-) Everything clear now?
> Hm. I guess your site will be more impressive when it's complete (cover
> indexes etc.).
Heh-he, hopefully. ;-) I'm still working on the cover section, which
probably needs another couple of days.
> Will you add texts from Don's "recent" e-mails (since 1994)?
> I haven't had the time to scan these mails, so that would really be a
> welcome addition (but a lot of work, too)!
Well, I've read most (shouldn't promise *all*) of his mails posted here
since I joined, which must have been around 1993 (?), and made notes in my
index whenever there was something interesting said about something in it.
But I haven't gathered all his mails in original in one file like your
Rosa-comments pages, only the stuff I exclusively needed for my index. And
when there's been mere reputations going on about anything I couldn't check
otherwise, I've asked Don through private mail what was true and what maybe
wasn't.
So most info should be there, yes, but not in its original state as it's
been translated first to Swedish, and now back to english. I also have a
bunch of not double-checked letters, in which there are likely to be more
info to harvest - info that I just didn't feel like doing anything about at
that very moment - and I will go through these piles when the whole
original index of mine has been "databased".
CUl8er!
---
/Jakob
PS: The page referred to is at:
http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-47991/DonRosa/TOCIVARD/
Two Rosa-related questions:
* Does anyone know whether the Rosa-cover with U$ riding a giraffe (Lo$ 6)
was published outside of the collected Egmont edition of Lo$, I mean --
as a real cover?
* And where was the picture of U$ getting a birthday cake from his sisters
*first* published (I have it as a cover for the French fanzine CBD #84)?
HARRY wrote:
> I'm not accusing you of stealing anything (the stuff from my pages isn't
> mine anyway). I'm only slightly annoyed that you use the word "only", while
> it's quite obvious that there are dozens of other Rosa indexes on the net (I
> didn't even mention them all in my previous mail).
Oh, OK. Well... "only" is meant for the "comprehensive, Immensely Verified
and Annotated"-part in the name TOCIVARD, not only for the last "Rosa-index
Database"-part. :-) Everything clear now?
> Hm. I guess your site will be more impressive when it's complete (cover
> indexes etc.).
Heh-he, hopefully. ;-) I'm still working on the cover section, which
probably needs another couple of days.
> Will you add texts from Don's "recent" e-mails (since 1994)?
> I haven't had the time to scan these mails, so that would really be a
> welcome addition (but a lot of work, too)!
Well, I've read most (shouldn't promise *all*) of his mails posted here
since I joined, which must have been around 1993 (?), and made notes in my
index whenever there was something interesting said about something in it.
But I haven't gathered all his mails in original in one file like your
Rosa-comments pages, only the stuff I exclusively needed for my index. And
when there's been mere reputations going on about anything I couldn't check
otherwise, I've asked Don through private mail what was true and what maybe
wasn't.
So most info should be there, yes, but not in its original state as it's
been translated first to Swedish, and now back to english. I also have a
bunch of not double-checked letters, in which there are likely to be more
info to harvest - info that I just didn't feel like doing anything about at
that very moment - and I will go through these piles when the whole
original index of mine has been "databased".
CUl8er!
---
/Jakob
PS: The page referred to is at:
http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-47991/DonRosa/TOCIVARD/
PSFr
Scrooge #495 (3)
Message 86 -
1999-04-27 at 12:07:24
I think I once read a few lines in an old issue of the Danish fanzine "Carl
Barks & Co" that Barks himself had probably cut down the Horse-Radish
story down from a larger number of pages. Has others heard / read the same?
If it has been altered this might also have influenced the horse-radish
lettering.
I can't remember whether it was just one guys own idea about the story or
something that should have come from Barks himself. I'll try and dig up the
fanzine if this is "news".
-Poul Frokjar, Denmark
Barks & Co" that Barks himself had probably cut down the Horse-Radish
story down from a larger number of pages. Has others heard / read the same?
If it has been altered this might also have influenced the horse-radish
lettering.
I can't remember whether it was just one guys own idea about the story or
something that should have come from Barks himself. I'll try and dig up the
fanzine if this is "news".
-Poul Frokjar, Denmark
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
A whole "new" world
Message 87 -
1999-04-27 at 15:51:39
Fellow Quackeroos:
About a year ago, I had reached a stage where I believed I had read almost
all of the worthwhile Disney comics and that the future looked kinda bleak:
I had read all of Barks's stories at least twice, Don Rosa was producing
just 3-4 new stories a year, and Gladstone's Egmont re-prints were not
something to write home about. I was about to resign at the thought that my
"golden" disney-reading years were over. I was getting comfortable at the
prospect that happiness would come every 3-4 months, with the newest Rosa story.
And then it happened: I "discovered" a whole "new" world of Disney
comics--the Italian school.
Well, in all honesty, it was not a real discovery. Come to think of it, I
had grown up on a healthy diet of Italian comics: My childhood memories are
first Scarpa and then Barks--and a jumble of non-identifiable artists mostly
from Italy. But I had no idea that in Italy there's so much more than Scarpa
that's of great worth.
Anyway, first I started with Scarpa. I had, of course, all the Gladstone and
KOMIX re-prints of his works, but those were but a handful. So I set out to
find as many Scarpa stories as I could: first, I got from Comic Art their
hard-cover books re-printing the early, classic Scarpa, and at the same time
I started looking at old, back issues of the neglected weekly Greek "Miky
Maous". These two sources succeeded at filling a good part of Scarpa's work.
At the same time I started subscribing to "ZIO PAPERONE" and "I MAESTRI
DISNEY". ZP is the most "non-Italian" of the Italian Disney publications,
with heavy doses of Barks, Rota, Rosa, and various Egmont and Oberon
artists. "I MAESTRI DISNEY" re-introduced me to Bottaro and Carpi, and
opened my eyes to Massimo De Vita (and to Cavazzano to a lesser degree).
Since then, I have been able to find in back issues of "Miky Maous" and
"KLASIKA" a great many stories by Bottaro, Carpi, Cavazzano, and De Vita.
Some of them brought back old, buried memories (like Bottaro's "Paperin
Baba" and Carpi's "Il giro del mondo in otto giorni"), while De Vita's works
were virtually all "new" to me. I can't believe I shunned his stories in the
past, and I even declined back in 1991 buying the volume printing the entire
"Ice-sword" trilogy. I'm thankful now to a kind soul from Athens that has
recently sent it to me (Dennis, if you're reading this, THANKS A MILLION!).
And over the weekend, after having found a total of 75 De Vita stories so
far, I was so proud to detect an error in "I MAESTRI DISNEY'S" index, as it
appeared in IMD #11, dedicated to Giorgio Cavazzano: I had found "I
Microdepositi Sparsi" in a "KLASIKA" issue, and I was sure it was a De
Vita-drawn story. Upon my return home, my dated down-loaded index didn't
include it, and as I was flipping thru IMD #11, I noticed the story's code
as a Cavazzano-drawn story. IMD even had a panel from that story as a sample
of Cavazzano's artwork!!! I had to double-check with Paolo Castagno's
on-line "Topolino" index to make double-sure it was indeed drawn by De Vita!
I'm also impressed by Carpi's "mature", clean art-style of the late '70s.
His earlier "rougher" style evolved to really attractive levels, like in the
story "La fattoria orbitale", written by Giorgio Pezzin. Really entertaining
stuff!
As I said already, it's a great, whole "new" world!
Cheers,
Archontis
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #78
*****************************************
About a year ago, I had reached a stage where I believed I had read almost
all of the worthwhile Disney comics and that the future looked kinda bleak:
I had read all of Barks's stories at least twice, Don Rosa was producing
just 3-4 new stories a year, and Gladstone's Egmont re-prints were not
something to write home about. I was about to resign at the thought that my
"golden" disney-reading years were over. I was getting comfortable at the
prospect that happiness would come every 3-4 months, with the newest Rosa story.
And then it happened: I "discovered" a whole "new" world of Disney
comics--the Italian school.
Well, in all honesty, it was not a real discovery. Come to think of it, I
had grown up on a healthy diet of Italian comics: My childhood memories are
first Scarpa and then Barks--and a jumble of non-identifiable artists mostly
from Italy. But I had no idea that in Italy there's so much more than Scarpa
that's of great worth.
Anyway, first I started with Scarpa. I had, of course, all the Gladstone and
KOMIX re-prints of his works, but those were but a handful. So I set out to
find as many Scarpa stories as I could: first, I got from Comic Art their
hard-cover books re-printing the early, classic Scarpa, and at the same time
I started looking at old, back issues of the neglected weekly Greek "Miky
Maous". These two sources succeeded at filling a good part of Scarpa's work.
At the same time I started subscribing to "ZIO PAPERONE" and "I MAESTRI
DISNEY". ZP is the most "non-Italian" of the Italian Disney publications,
with heavy doses of Barks, Rota, Rosa, and various Egmont and Oberon
artists. "I MAESTRI DISNEY" re-introduced me to Bottaro and Carpi, and
opened my eyes to Massimo De Vita (and to Cavazzano to a lesser degree).
Since then, I have been able to find in back issues of "Miky Maous" and
"KLASIKA" a great many stories by Bottaro, Carpi, Cavazzano, and De Vita.
Some of them brought back old, buried memories (like Bottaro's "Paperin
Baba" and Carpi's "Il giro del mondo in otto giorni"), while De Vita's works
were virtually all "new" to me. I can't believe I shunned his stories in the
past, and I even declined back in 1991 buying the volume printing the entire
"Ice-sword" trilogy. I'm thankful now to a kind soul from Athens that has
recently sent it to me (Dennis, if you're reading this, THANKS A MILLION!).
And over the weekend, after having found a total of 75 De Vita stories so
far, I was so proud to detect an error in "I MAESTRI DISNEY'S" index, as it
appeared in IMD #11, dedicated to Giorgio Cavazzano: I had found "I
Microdepositi Sparsi" in a "KLASIKA" issue, and I was sure it was a De
Vita-drawn story. Upon my return home, my dated down-loaded index didn't
include it, and as I was flipping thru IMD #11, I noticed the story's code
as a Cavazzano-drawn story. IMD even had a panel from that story as a sample
of Cavazzano's artwork!!! I had to double-check with Paolo Castagno's
on-line "Topolino" index to make double-sure it was indeed drawn by De Vita!
I'm also impressed by Carpi's "mature", clean art-style of the late '70s.
His earlier "rougher" style evolved to really attractive levels, like in the
story "La fattoria orbitale", written by Giorgio Pezzin. Really entertaining
stuff!
As I said already, it's a great, whole "new" world!
Cheers,
Archontis
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #78
*****************************************
Don Rosa
Digest #78
Message 88 -
1999-04-27 at 17:41:40
From: Jakob Soederbaum:
>>>Two Rosa-related questions:
>>>* Does anyone know whether the Rosa-cover with U$ riding a giraffe (Lo$ 6)
was published outside of the collected Egmont edition of Lo$, I mean --
as a real cover?
Two Rosa-given answers:
The giraffe cover was ordered by accident by the German Rosa-album editor. He'd already had me do a cover using the other story in that particular album. So the only place that art has appeared so far is in the European "Lo$" hardback, and never as an real cover.
Speaking of that German Rosa-album series... looks like during the next few issues they will have caught up to my current (sloooow) rate of story production. So sometime next year I guess it will hafta switch from being 4-times-per-year to only twice-per-year. At best.
>>>*And where was the picture of U$ getting a birthday cake from his sisters
*first* published (I have it as a cover for the French fanzine CBD #84)?
I think that's the only place it appeared. I drew it for... was it you, Didier? Maybe you can answer?
>>>Two Rosa-related questions:
>>>* Does anyone know whether the Rosa-cover with U$ riding a giraffe (Lo$ 6)
was published outside of the collected Egmont edition of Lo$, I mean --
as a real cover?
Two Rosa-given answers:
The giraffe cover was ordered by accident by the German Rosa-album editor. He'd already had me do a cover using the other story in that particular album. So the only place that art has appeared so far is in the European "Lo$" hardback, and never as an real cover.
Speaking of that German Rosa-album series... looks like during the next few issues they will have caught up to my current (sloooow) rate of story production. So sometime next year I guess it will hafta switch from being 4-times-per-year to only twice-per-year. At best.
>>>*And where was the picture of U$ getting a birthday cake from his sisters
*first* published (I have it as a cover for the French fanzine CBD #84)?
I think that's the only place it appeared. I drew it for... was it you, Didier? Maybe you can answer?
Ivarc
Question about the Know it all machine - Help Needed
Message 89 -
1999-04-28 at 01:53:46
Hi there Fellow Quackers
I have been involved in a discussion that goes on in the electronic version
of the Danish paper "Politiken" about:
Disney comics story W US 22-04 Gyro Gearloose:
The Know-It-All Machine Following the advice of a machine he has just
built,
Gyro tries to catch a bird in order to ask it why it sings. [Summary by
Jonathan M.
I have managed to answer the questions so far, but now they want to know
what the "know it all machine" said in Barks original version.
In danish it says "Maaske er jeg trist maaske er jeg glad , maaske vil jeg
blot sige tak for mad"
Translates to something like "Maybe Im sad maybe Im happy maybe I just want
to say thanks for the meal"
So What does the machine say in english?
;-) Ivar
I have been involved in a discussion that goes on in the electronic version
of the Danish paper "Politiken" about:
Disney comics story W US 22-04 Gyro Gearloose:
The Know-It-All Machine Following the advice of a machine he has just
built,
Gyro tries to catch a bird in order to ask it why it sings. [Summary by
Jonathan M.
I have managed to answer the questions so far, but now they want to know
what the "know it all machine" said in Barks original version.
In danish it says "Maaske er jeg trist maaske er jeg glad , maaske vil jeg
blot sige tak for mad"
Translates to something like "Maybe Im sad maybe Im happy maybe I just want
to say thanks for the meal"
So What does the machine say in english?
;-) Ivar
Didier Ghez
Don Rosa drawing
Message 90 -
1999-04-28 at 10:28:04
Jakob,
The drawing of $crooge being offered the birthday cake done by Don
Rosa was originally created as a cover for the UK fanzine Magical
Moments and Memories to illustrate the interview of Don included in
the issue.
It was then republished as a cover of the CBD to illustrate the same
interview translated in French.
Didier
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The drawing of $crooge being offered the birthday cake done by Don
Rosa was originally created as a cover for the UK fanzine Magical
Moments and Memories to illustrate the interview of Don included in
the issue.
It was then republished as a cover of the CBD to illustrate the same
interview translated in French.
Didier
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