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Stefan wrote about the mention of Mickey Mouse in WDC 99.

I've thought before that that reference to Mickey Mouse is odd.
It's odd to begin with to have a Mickey reference in a Barks Duck
story, even if it's feasible and there is that other instance
which Halsten mentioned. But... it's all the more odd as it seems
like Mickey is a celebrity in WDC 99. I can accept that there is a
Mickey Mouse we never see in the Barksian Duck Universe, but not that
he is some kind of celebrity.

I think I've read a comment by Barks on this use of Mickey Mouse
somewhere, and that he there said that he thought it was odd to use
Mickey like that and that he didn't remembered but assumed that it was
in the original script. But I don't know where I read that, and my
memory is not to be trusted.

That the lettering has been changed was totally new to me! After
looking at it closely in the CBL I hesitantly agree. Is the lettering
change in the horse-radish story also your own find, Stefan, or was
that old information? (I don't remember hearing about it at least.)
The only lettering change I have ever noticed were the very obvious
changes in some Brer Rabbit stories where "d" had been changed into
"th".

--
Per Starback <(Email removed)> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
"Horse-radish! I hate the sound of that word!"

Friends and fellow Duck-fans!

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Please update your addressbooks and links.

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Today the umptieth Italian Disney comic magazine hit the stands: it's
"Almanacco Topolino", published quarterly, printing reprints from the
magazine that appeared with the same title in Italy from 1956 to 1986.

Toghether with the reprinted stories there are some essays on the features
of the old "Almanacco", more or less interesting. But what struck me is a
nice statistic: how many "Italian" stories have appeared on each issue of
the old "Almanacco"?

Hey, I said to myself, that's my field: I wonder whether their data are
correct. And then I said again to myself: nope, their data cannot match
mine: because in my file

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex/Almanacco.html

I have not put all the "stories by Italian authors" (which is what they are
talking about) but only the "stories of Italian production". They probably
used Fossati's index, which puts together the I-coded and the S-coded
stories written or drawn by Italians.

SURPRISE! The data on page 138 of the new "Almanacco Topolino" exactly
match MINE!
They say that only two issues printed 4 stories by Italian authors: well,
in fact the FSB (the Italian branch of the Inducks, at the URL given
before) lists only those two issues. But there are MORE issues that
"printed 4 stories by Italian authors": issue #3 and #10 of 1969, issue
#116 of October 1970, and so on...

Does this mean that the author(s) of that page have used (without quoting
it...) the Inducks? Well, it does not PROVE it, of course, but it makes one
wonder.

If you want a PROVE of the fact that those data come from the FSB, you need
to notice a little detail. The same page 138 says that the FIRST issue of
"Almanacco Topolino" ever to print TWO "Italian" stories is (quotation)
<issue #66 of June 1962>. Now here is the proof: NOBODY but me (and the
Inducks of course) would refer to that issue as to "Issue #66". The
"official" numbering for that issue is "#6 of 1962", NOT "#66". I am the
only one to use a "global" numbering for issues before 1969. Fossati did
NOT use that numbering; Boschi and Becattini on their chronologies on "I
Maestri Disney" NEVER use that numbering. This finally proves that those
data come from the FSB (hence from the Inducks).

Should I be glad that my work is appreciated and used? Or should I rather
be sad that it is used without acknowledgement? I leave it to you...

Luca, Francesco what is your opinion? ;-)

(The acknowledged authors of the "comments" are Luca Boschi, an active
member of this list, and Francesco Artibani, presumably a lurker)

Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex/

Hi, Marco and all!

I read you mail on "Almanacco Topolino" and, avoiding to comment about
his "laboriosa & travagliata" birth, I come to your question, about
the Inducks without acknowledgements.

> (The acknowledged authors of the "comments" are Luca Boschi, an active
> member of this list, and Francesco Artibani, presumably a lurker)

Well, I didn'w write a single line in any article, in that book. I got
(welcome) aknowledgement in the colofon only because I helped the
Disney editor to make some corrections in the data they just got (like
Eta well knows). In this case, the Disney editor was very sensible to
credit me (and I say thank you again), but the missing quote doesn't
come from me...

Bye!
Luca

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Disney comics Digest Volume 99 : Issue 72

Contents:
Stefan Dios Re: Disney comics Digest V99 #71
Marco Barlotti The use of the Inducks by Walt Disney,
Italy
Luca Boschi Re: The use of the Inducks by Walt
Disney, Italy
Francesco Spreafico Vote for Italian Disney comics Usenet
newsgroup

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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:06:04 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Stefan Diös <(Email removed)>
To: (Email removed)
Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V99 #71

Per wrote:

>Is the lettering
>change in the horse-radish story also your own find, Stefan, or was
>that old information?

Yes, I noticed both of these occasions many years ago, and I have never
seen
them discussed anywhere. Which is part of their interest to me, since
the
tiniest Barks detail seems to have been thorughly analyzed by experts.
I
virtually never notice something like this in a Barks story that I
haven't
heard about before!

To be honest, I recalled in my mind at least one of these cases as
having
been done by another letterer. When checking again the other day, I saw
that
it probably *is* Barks' own lettering in both instances. This somewhat
diminishes the "sensation", as it doesn't necessarily has to be an
editorial
decision done after Barks submitted his story. But I decided to bring
the
matter up anyway, as I already was writing.

Incidentally, when Barks visited Europe in '94, I got the opportunity
to
collect questions from Swedish Donaldists for an interview. This was
the one
and only thing I felt I wanted to ask him about myself, having already
read
so much about him and his work. I didn't want to ask too much about
specific
cases, but I believe he said that his dialog rarely, if ever, was
edited
very much.

Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:06:52 +0200
From: Marco Barlotti <(Email removed)>
To: (Email removed)
Cc: (Email removed), (Email removed)
Subject: The use of the Inducks by Walt Disney, Italy

Today the umptieth Italian Disney comic magazine hit the stands: it's
"Almanacco Topolino", published quarterly, printing reprints from the
magazine that appeared with the same title in Italy from 1956 to 1986.

Toghether with the reprinted stories there are some essays on the
features
of the old "Almanacco", more or less interesting. But what struck me is
a
nice statistic: how many "Italian" stories have appeared on each issue
of
the old "Almanacco"?

Hey, I said to myself, that's my field: I wonder whether their data
are
correct. And then I said again to myself: nope, their data cannot
match
mine: because in my file

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex/Almanacco.html

I have not put all the "stories by Italian authors" (which is what they
are
talking about) but only the "stories of Italian production". They
probably
used Fossati's index, which puts together the I-coded and the S-coded
stories written or drawn by Italians.

SURPRISE! The data on page 138 of the new "Almanacco Topolino" exactly
match MINE!
They say that only two issues printed 4 stories by Italian authors:
well,
in fact the FSB (the Italian branch of the Inducks, at the URL given
before) lists only those two issues. But there are MORE issues that
"printed 4 stories by Italian authors": issue #3 and #10 of 1969,
issue
#116 of October 1970, and so on...

Does this mean that the author(s) of that page have used (without
quoting
it...) the Inducks? Well, it does not PROVE it, of course, but it makes
one
wonder.

If you want a PROVE of the fact that those data come from the FSB, you
need
to notice a little detail. The same page 138 says that the FIRST issue
of
"Almanacco Topolino" ever to print TWO "Italian" stories is
(quotation)
<issue #66 of June 1962>. Now here is the proof: NOBODY but me (and
the
Inducks of course) would refer to that issue as to "Issue #66". The
"official" numbering for that issue is "#6 of 1962", NOT "#66". I am
the
only one to use a "global" numbering for issues before 1969. Fossati
did
NOT use that numbering; Boschi and Becattini on their chronologies on
"I
Maestri Disney" NEVER use that numbering. This finally proves that
those
data come from the FSB (hence from the Inducks).

Should I be glad that my work is appreciated and used? Or should I
rather
be sad that it is used without acknowledgement? I leave it to you...

Luca, Francesco what is your opinion? ;-)

(The acknowledged authors of the "comments" are Luca Boschi, an active
member of this list, and Francesco Artibani, presumably a lurker)

Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex/

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:57:51 +0100
From: Luca Boschi <(Email removed)>
To: Marco Barlotti <(Email removed)>
Cc: (Email removed), (Email removed)
Subject: Re: The use of the Inducks by Walt Disney, Italy

Hi, Marco and all!

I read you mail on "Almanacco Topolino" and, avoiding to comment about

his "laboriosa & travagliata" birth, I come to your question, about
the Inducks without acknowledgements.

> (The acknowledged authors of the "comments" are Luca Boschi, an
active
> member of this list, and Francesco Artibani, presumably a lurker)

Well, I didn'w write a single line in any article, in that book. I got

(welcome) aknowledgement in the colofon only because I helped the
Disney editor to make some corrections in the data they just got (like

Eta well knows). In this case, the Disney editor was very sensible to
credit me (and I say thank you again), but the missing quote doesn't
come from me...

Bye!
Luca

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:00:38 +0200
From: "Francesco Spreafico" <(Email removed)>
To: <(Email removed)>
Subject: Vote for Italian Disney comics Usenet newsgroup

This message can interest only Italians with access to Usenet... I
doubt
anyone else would care about this :)

If you're interested in creating a newsgroup where to talk about
Disney
comics (like we do here, but in Italian:) go on the NG
it.news.votazioni and
follow the instructions... or feel free to e-mail me for further
explainations...

I need 75 votes to create it... and I think this time we can make it
(last
time we tried we reached 62 and failed)

Thanks everybody

Francesco Spreafico

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HARRY wrote:

>> http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-47991/DonRosa/TOCIVARD/
>
> Interesting pages. Though the contents seems to be a combination of things
> you can also find elsewhere (for instance the D.U.C.K.hunt pages, and Don's
> comments about his stories at
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/creators/rosa-on-himself.html

AIIIEEE!!! It's true that I did use the Rosa comments as complement,
although it was a long time ago. I've now uploaded a link to it on my
Sources-section. Thanks for reminding me!

It could be my bad interpretation of this message, but it seems like you're
accusing me for having stolen stuff from yours and others pages, although
you know well that this is pretty much my own work - and when it isn't I've
given you and others credit for supplying info. Noone is perfect, so
sometimes I *do* forget about what was my original source for the info
(like the Rosa comments) - but I try to give credit whenever it's needed.

> People wo want to know where the stories (and covers etc.) were reprinted
> outside the USA can have a look at:
>
> http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast/xxcreators.html

However, I just decided to steal *this* from you without giving you further
credit than this - and put up a link pretty much like what you wrote here on
my page. ;-)

Because in this case I don't think it matters - you get the attention for
it anyway. And for these pages, you certainly should.

> But though Jakob's word "only" may be quite pretentious, his pages are a
> good read too.

Two reasons for this: 1. I wanted a name that would sound like it might be
a real word (which it isn't, of course) hence a vocal after the T in
TOCIVARD. 2. I never saw nor heard of anything else like this attempt of
mine (OK the sources I used do stock a lot info, but are nothing like what
I put up).

TTYL!

---
/Jakob

Jakob:

> http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-47991/DonRosa/TOCIVARD/

> It could be my bad interpretation of this message, but it
> seems like you're accusing me for having stolen stuff
> from yours and others pages

I'm not accusing you of stealing anything (the stuff from my pages isn't
mine anyway). I'm only slightly annoyed that you use the word "only", while
it's quite obvious that there are dozens of other Rosa indexes on the net (I
didn't even mention them all in my previous mail).

> Two reasons for this: 1. I wanted a name that would sound
> like it might be a real word

Good reason! We used that same reason for I.N.D.U.C.K.S., even though we
don't even know yet what it stands for. 8-)

> 2. I never saw nor heard of anything else like
> this attempt of mine

Hm. I guess your site will be more impressive when it's complete (cover
indexes etc.). Will you add texts from Don's "recent" e-mails (since 1994)?
I haven't had the time to scan these mails, so that would really be a
welcome addition (but a lot of work, too)!

--Harry.
http://here.is/inducks

For the past couple of days, there's been discussions about the
re-lettering of The Horseradish Story. Well, I took a look at the story and
stared at the lettering every time the word "horse-radish" appeared. And
stared. And stared. And stared some more, but I couldn't see anything
suspicious. What is wrong with the lettering?
Bye!
Leah Kumpinsky