> The "Beste Verhalen" album number 100 will contain "McDuck of Arabia", plus
> "Pluto Saves the Ship" as an extra.
Ahhh.......If only the Scandinavians would do the same!
"Pluto Saves the Ship" is one of the few Barks-works not yet published here!
--
Greetings from/Vennlig hilsen
Geir J. Netland
http://come.to.internetland
"Shut the shutters and shut up!"
Author
Topic: 199904
(108 messages)
Geir J. Netland
Dutch news
Message 61 -
1999-04-19 at 23:09:46
Halsten Aastebøl
Dutch news
Message 62 -
1999-04-19 at 23:52:47
At 22:09 19.04.99 +0200, Geir J. Netland wrote:
>Ahhh.......If only the Scandinavians would do the same!
>"Pluto Saves the Ship" is one of the few Barks-works not yet published here!
Totally agree!!!
How can I order this "Beste Verhalen" album? And how can I learn to read
Dutch? Well,I think it was established a while ago on this list that Dutch
is half Swedish, which I can read. So I'm halfway there! And better still:
I can read maybe 50% German which I think was another major ingredient. And
I can read English and of course Danish (though I don't think it was
mentioned). Hey! Maybe I really know how to read Dutch without knowing!!??!????
Halsten
>Ahhh.......If only the Scandinavians would do the same!
>"Pluto Saves the Ship" is one of the few Barks-works not yet published here!
Totally agree!!!
How can I order this "Beste Verhalen" album? And how can I learn to read
Dutch? Well,I think it was established a while ago on this list that Dutch
is half Swedish, which I can read. So I'm halfway there! And better still:
I can read maybe 50% German which I think was another major ingredient. And
I can read English and of course Danish (though I don't think it was
mentioned). Hey! Maybe I really know how to read Dutch without knowing!!??!????
Halsten
Luca Boschi
Raven mad (again!)
Message 63 -
1999-04-20 at 21:59:42
Hi, David ad all (again).
Surely, you're ight.
I didn't mean that Ratface and Poe were the same character.
I only told that they don't co-exsist together, and that one is
alternate to the other.
And, following you on this (correct) line, I can tell you something
more. Ratface and Gennarino ARE NOT the same raven. You can compare
their look to distinguish 'em well. Bark's crow has a black beak and a
very different dimension (compare il with the Cavazzano's version!!!).
But, more, Ratface has NEVER been translated as "Gennarino" in the
early original Italian version of the Barks' stories. He got no name,
it's only THE raven.
Then the two Kinney's crows popped up (their first look is by Hubbard)
and, inspired by one of them, ABRAMO BAROSSO created Gennarino in a ZP
story drawn by Carpi.
Here what I wrote in next to come chronology of Carpi's works:
1964
Zio Paperone e l'orribile ossessione, 30, Barosso (A. e G. P.), T 439
(26/4); CWD 34; CWDNS 59; GC 96; MM 61. Prima apparizione di
Gennarino, il corvo della fattucchiera Amelia (versione italiana del
Ratface di Carl Barks)
> Magica's "classic" raven remains Ratface, and that's the one we use
> at Egmont (and who is also called Gennarino, Algorab, etc.)
But... How is his look? And his personality? Ratface is mean, but
Gennarino, often, is dumb and lazy: it's more a "new version" (also in
his look) of one of the crows.
If this is right
Magica's pets clearly encompass four variations:
A) Ratface (raven)
B) The two 1960s crows
C) Gennarino (Italian crow)
D) Poe De Spell (raven with hat)
> I'm sure there are cases when the local name for Ratface has been
> applied to one of the 1960s crows, or to Poe, in a local translation.
I think so, too.
> But by no means are they the same.
Surely.
Luca
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Surely, you're ight.
I didn't mean that Ratface and Poe were the same character.
I only told that they don't co-exsist together, and that one is
alternate to the other.
And, following you on this (correct) line, I can tell you something
more. Ratface and Gennarino ARE NOT the same raven. You can compare
their look to distinguish 'em well. Bark's crow has a black beak and a
very different dimension (compare il with the Cavazzano's version!!!).
But, more, Ratface has NEVER been translated as "Gennarino" in the
early original Italian version of the Barks' stories. He got no name,
it's only THE raven.
Then the two Kinney's crows popped up (their first look is by Hubbard)
and, inspired by one of them, ABRAMO BAROSSO created Gennarino in a ZP
story drawn by Carpi.
Here what I wrote in next to come chronology of Carpi's works:
1964
Zio Paperone e l'orribile ossessione, 30, Barosso (A. e G. P.), T 439
(26/4); CWD 34; CWDNS 59; GC 96; MM 61. Prima apparizione di
Gennarino, il corvo della fattucchiera Amelia (versione italiana del
Ratface di Carl Barks)
> Magica's "classic" raven remains Ratface, and that's the one we use
> at Egmont (and who is also called Gennarino, Algorab, etc.)
But... How is his look? And his personality? Ratface is mean, but
Gennarino, often, is dumb and lazy: it's more a "new version" (also in
his look) of one of the crows.
If this is right
Magica's pets clearly encompass four variations:
A) Ratface (raven)
B) The two 1960s crows
C) Gennarino (Italian crow)
D) Poe De Spell (raven with hat)
> I'm sure there are cases when the local name for Ratface has been
> applied to one of the 1960s crows, or to Poe, in a local translation.
I think so, too.
> But by no means are they the same.
Surely.
Luca
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Duco Feenstra
Pluto saves the ship
Message 64 -
1999-04-20 at 23:00:59
Anyone who's interested in a copy of the Dutch "Beste
verhalen" #100, with "Pluto saves the ship", just let
me know, and I'll swap you a copy.
Duco
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
verhalen" #100, with "Pluto saves the ship", just let
me know, and I'll swap you a copy.
Duco
_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Santiago García
Mickey in WW II
Message 65 -
1999-04-21 at 09:49:10
Alipio d'Oliveira Coelho:
You can find other stories of Mickey in WW II in Gottfredson DCML's page
http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/creators/floyd-gottfredson.html
Santiago Garc=EDa
You can find other stories of Mickey in WW II in Gottfredson DCML's page
http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/creators/floyd-gottfredson.html
Santiago Garc=EDa
Halsten Aastebøl
Pluto bewaart het schip
Message 66 -
1999-04-21 at 11:42:12
At 10:28 21.04.99 +0100, Fluks, H.W. wrote:
>Duco wrote:
>
>> Anyone who's interested in a copy of the Dutch "Beste
>> verhalen" #100, with "Pluto saves the ship", just let
>> me know, and I'll swap you a copy.
>
>Note that you all will have to be a bit patient, since it may take several
>more months before issue 100 is in the shops!
>
>--Harry.
>
Please let us know when it is!
Halsten
>Duco wrote:
>
>> Anyone who's interested in a copy of the Dutch "Beste
>> verhalen" #100, with "Pluto saves the ship", just let
>> me know, and I'll swap you a copy.
>
>Note that you all will have to be a bit patient, since it may take several
>more months before issue 100 is in the shops!
>
>--Harry.
>
Please let us know when it is!
Halsten
Fluks, H.W.
Pluto bewaart het schip
Message 67 -
1999-04-21 at 12:28:32
Duco wrote:
> Anyone who's interested in a copy of the Dutch "Beste
> verhalen" #100, with "Pluto saves the ship", just let
> me know, and I'll swap you a copy.
Note that you all will have to be a bit patient, since it may take several
more months before issue 100 is in the shops!
--Harry.
> Anyone who's interested in a copy of the Dutch "Beste
> verhalen" #100, with "Pluto saves the ship", just let
> me know, and I'll swap you a copy.
Note that you all will have to be a bit patient, since it may take several
more months before issue 100 is in the shops!
--Harry.
Heitmann, Owen James - HEIOJ001
The Uncensored Mouse
Message 68 -
1999-04-22 at 05:45:00
I picked up the first two issues of Eternity Comics' "The Uncensored Mouse" the
other day at a second hand store. I was quite pleased to get these two comics,
but what I was really pleased about was the very low price that i got them for!
I was under the impression that these comics were quite rare. Am I wrong? Does
anybody know how much they "should" be worth? (No, I'm not one of those people
who collects comics purely for their monetary value - but I do like a bargain
as much as the man).
I noticed with interest that Eternity went to some lengths to avoid using the
word "Mickey" on either the front or back covers of the comics... I suppose
that was in an attempt to avoid being sued (I guess it didn't work though). I
know that they didn't get many issues of this title published before Disney
cracked down on them. Was there ever a third issue?
I also noticed that, although the covers of both comics state that they are
reprints of rare Floyd Gottfredson material, all of the strips inside are from
the period before he started drawing the comic (right?).
When Gladstone reprinted some of the strips about Mickey on a desert island,
they understandably left out the strips containing stereotyped natives - but
they also omitted a reference in one of the strips they did print to pirates
being cannibals. I thought that was a bit odd. It's not a racial stereotype -
and there weren't even any pirates after all, so Mickey was just speculating
about the possibility that if there were, they might be cannibals. I guess it
was just a comment that didn't fit with the Disney image? This is one of the
reasons that it's such a disappointment that Eternity didn't manage to keep the
series going. As it was described in the introduction to the first issue, it
sounded like a dream come true. Oh, well.
Cheers,
Owen
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other day at a second hand store. I was quite pleased to get these two comics,
but what I was really pleased about was the very low price that i got them for!
I was under the impression that these comics were quite rare. Am I wrong? Does
anybody know how much they "should" be worth? (No, I'm not one of those people
who collects comics purely for their monetary value - but I do like a bargain
as much as the man).
I noticed with interest that Eternity went to some lengths to avoid using the
word "Mickey" on either the front or back covers of the comics... I suppose
that was in an attempt to avoid being sued (I guess it didn't work though). I
know that they didn't get many issues of this title published before Disney
cracked down on them. Was there ever a third issue?
I also noticed that, although the covers of both comics state that they are
reprints of rare Floyd Gottfredson material, all of the strips inside are from
the period before he started drawing the comic (right?).
When Gladstone reprinted some of the strips about Mickey on a desert island,
they understandably left out the strips containing stereotyped natives - but
they also omitted a reference in one of the strips they did print to pirates
being cannibals. I thought that was a bit odd. It's not a racial stereotype -
and there weren't even any pirates after all, so Mickey was just speculating
about the possibility that if there were, they might be cannibals. I guess it
was just a comment that didn't fit with the Disney image? This is one of the
reasons that it's such a disappointment that Eternity didn't manage to keep the
series going. As it was described in the introduction to the first issue, it
sounded like a dream come true. Oh, well.
Cheers,
Owen
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TANGRI,Daniel
Disney comics Digest V99 #75
Message 69 -
1999-04-22 at 07:38:23
From: "Heitmann, Owen James - HEIOJ001"
<(Email removed)>
To: "'(Email removed)'"
<(Email removed)>
Subject: The Uncensored Mouse
I picked up the first two issues of Eternity Comics' "The
Uncensored Mouse" the
other day at a second hand store.......Was there ever a
third issue?
I was told by the manager at the comic shop where I found
the issues that Eternity only over printed two issues before Disney sued the
pants off 'em. I think I paid $10 each in Sydney in about 1992 - but I
don't know if the price has changed!
<(Email removed)>
To: "'(Email removed)'"
<(Email removed)>
Subject: The Uncensored Mouse
I picked up the first two issues of Eternity Comics' "The
Uncensored Mouse" the
other day at a second hand store.......Was there ever a
third issue?
I was told by the manager at the comic shop where I found
the issues that Eternity only over printed two issues before Disney sued the
pants off 'em. I think I paid $10 each in Sydney in about 1992 - but I
don't know if the price has changed!
Fluks, H.W.
The Uncensored Mouse
Message 70 -
1999-04-22 at 10:44:42
> I picked up the first two issues of Eternity Comics' "The
> Uncensored Mouse"
I realise that these issues are not in our Inducks (Disney comics database)
yet. Can someone send me the publication dates, and the contents (which
stories, or even better, which original newspaper dates, were reprinted in
each issue)?
Thanks.
--Harry.
http://here.is/inducks
> Uncensored Mouse"
I realise that these issues are not in our Inducks (Disney comics database)
yet. Can someone send me the publication dates, and the contents (which
stories, or even better, which original newspaper dates, were reprinted in
each issue)?
Thanks.
--Harry.
http://here.is/inducks
SRoweCanoe
uncensored mouse
Message 71 -
1999-04-22 at 13:30:12
In a message dated 4/21/99 10:47:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
(Email removed) writes:
> I picked up the first two issues of Eternity Comics' "The Uncensored Mouse"
> the
> other day at a second hand store. I was quite pleased to get these two
> comics,
> but what I was really pleased about was the very low price that i got them
> for!
> I was under the impression that these comics were quite rare. Am I wrong?
> Does
> anybody know how much they "should" be worth? (No, I'm not one of those
> people
> who collects comics purely for their monetary value - but I do like a
> bargain
> as much as the man).
Sorry they are not rare.
> I noticed with interest that Eternity went to some lengths to avoid using
> the
> word "Mickey" on either the front or back covers of the comics... I suppose
> that was in an attempt to avoid being sued (I guess it didn't work
though).
> I
> know that they didn't get many issues of this title published before Disney
> cracked down on them. Was there ever a third issue?
the theory was that while sthe strips were (and are) not covered by copyrihgt
renewal, the title "Mickey Mouse" is trademark; thus don't mention the title.
Disney sued anyway - settled out of court. the two issues are it.
Steven Rowe
(Email removed) writes:
> I picked up the first two issues of Eternity Comics' "The Uncensored Mouse"
> the
> other day at a second hand store. I was quite pleased to get these two
> comics,
> but what I was really pleased about was the very low price that i got them
> for!
> I was under the impression that these comics were quite rare. Am I wrong?
> Does
> anybody know how much they "should" be worth? (No, I'm not one of those
> people
> who collects comics purely for their monetary value - but I do like a
> bargain
> as much as the man).
Sorry they are not rare.
> I noticed with interest that Eternity went to some lengths to avoid using
> the
> word "Mickey" on either the front or back covers of the comics... I suppose
> that was in an attempt to avoid being sued (I guess it didn't work
though).
> I
> know that they didn't get many issues of this title published before Disney
> cracked down on them. Was there ever a third issue?
the theory was that while sthe strips were (and are) not covered by copyrihgt
renewal, the title "Mickey Mouse" is trademark; thus don't mention the title.
Disney sued anyway - settled out of court. the two issues are it.
Steven Rowe
Bror Hellman
uncensored mouse
Message 72 -
1999-04-22 at 13:50:51
>> I know that they didn't get many issues of this title published before
Disney
>> cracked down on them. Was there ever a third issue?
> the theory was that while sthe strips were (and are) not covered by
copyrihgt=20
> renewal, the title "Mickey Mouse" is trademark; thus don't mention the
title.=20
> Disney sued anyway - settled out of court. the two issues are it.
.. make a note if it... "Settled out of court"... That doesn't mean that =
nor
Disney,=20
nor anyone else was right or wrong... Disney has so much leverage that ev=
en
if=20
they=B4re wrong, sometimes they sue and settle out of court anyway...
(According=20
to the recently published Roy O. Disney biography).
Does anyone here know anything about this settlement? What did Disney
say?
Why did they settle out of court?
Steamboat Willie
Disney
>> cracked down on them. Was there ever a third issue?
> the theory was that while sthe strips were (and are) not covered by
copyrihgt=20
> renewal, the title "Mickey Mouse" is trademark; thus don't mention the
title.=20
> Disney sued anyway - settled out of court. the two issues are it.
.. make a note if it... "Settled out of court"... That doesn't mean that =
nor
Disney,=20
nor anyone else was right or wrong... Disney has so much leverage that ev=
en
if=20
they=B4re wrong, sometimes they sue and settle out of court anyway...
(According=20
to the recently published Roy O. Disney biography).
Does anyone here know anything about this settlement? What did Disney
say?
Why did they settle out of court?
Steamboat Willie
Michael Naiman
Dutchman
Message 73 -
1999-04-22 at 19:52:25
To: any of the ML's Finnish Friends....I just saw the "Lost Dutchman" cover
and need this issue for my collection....trade anyone?? or cash will work,
too!
Thanks!
Michael
and need this issue for my collection....trade anyone?? or cash will work,
too!
Thanks!
Michael
Per Starback
uncensored mouse
Message 74 -
1999-04-23 at 01:10:03
Some information gathered from an earlier discussion on The Uncensored
Mouse on this list is at
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/notdisney.html>:
_Uncensored Mouse_ was a reprint from Eternity Comics of very
early Mickey strips, that supposedly were in the public domain.
It seems like some of the earliest strips actually are, but two
of those published by Eternity had been printed in 1930's
_Mickey Mouse Book_ before appearing in newspapers, and thus
were registered for copyright differently, and are still
protected. Hence the demise of their series.
/Per (who doesn't have those books himself, unfortunately)
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Mouse on this list is at
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/notdisney.html>:
_Uncensored Mouse_ was a reprint from Eternity Comics of very
early Mickey strips, that supposedly were in the public domain.
It seems like some of the earliest strips actually are, but two
of those published by Eternity had been printed in 1930's
_Mickey Mouse Book_ before appearing in newspapers, and thus
were registered for copyright differently, and are still
protected. Hence the demise of their series.
/Per (who doesn't have those books himself, unfortunately)
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Per Starback
Neighbor Jones' appearances in AT strips (lots of nitpickings)
Message 75 -
1999-04-23 at 02:04:24
Francois wrote:
> > Here we even have new information on Jones' first name. On the original,
> > it says in the first panel "J. Jones".
and I replied:
> Which is exactly what it says in some Barks story as well, I think.
> Hm, or is it? I can't find that now.
It's in WDC 63 where a sign on his gate says "J. JONES".
I've updated the character page on Jones now with the data on
possible newspaper precursors from me and Francois.
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/chars/jones.html>
--
Per Starback <(Email removed)> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
"I'm beginning to wonder, too, if that's Jones, kids!
Well, I'll soon know!"
> > Here we even have new information on Jones' first name. On the original,
> > it says in the first panel "J. Jones".
and I replied:
> Which is exactly what it says in some Barks story as well, I think.
> Hm, or is it? I can't find that now.
It's in WDC 63 where a sign on his gate says "J. JONES".
I've updated the character page on Jones now with the data on
possible newspaper precursors from me and Francois.
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/chars/jones.html>
--
Per Starback <(Email removed)> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
"I'm beginning to wonder, too, if that's Jones, kids!
Well, I'll soon know!"